Does Jimmy Kimmel Have a Problem with Gays?Occasionally Kimmel’s show does take a more gay-inclusive approach to comedy. A hilarious “public service announcement” with George Takei made homophobes the butt of the joke for a change (but still relied on gay lechery for laughs).
Still, Kimmel is often behind the curve, at least when it comes to gay humor. It’s simply no longer acceptable that a major talk show host gets laughs from tired gay gags. Jay Leno, not exactly known for being cutting edge, has toned down the gay stereotypes after being famously derided in a 2006 open letter from Avenue Q playwright Jeff Whitty. “When you think of gay people, it's funny,” Whitty wrote. “They wear leather. They like Judy Garland. They like disco music...You think gay people are great material…I think of a silent holocaust that is perpetuated by people like you, who seek to minimize us and make fun of us…I caught your show when you had a tired mockery of Brokeback Mountain, involving something about a horse done up in what you consider a ‘gay’ way. Man, that's dated.” When it comes to gay jokes, the rest of the comedy world has changed or is changing. Will Kimmel? Submitted by on Tue, 2008-03-18 22:45. |
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How about Conan?
I don't know what to make of Conan
Much (if not most) of what
Mother is getting upset
My dears,
If this stuff bothers you ignore it; you are not going to change people; think how hard it is for you to change.
If this stuff makes you smile, good for you. Mother is smiling on you. You've earned your gay card www.fairygaymother.com
Same old, same old
I don't like his show much. But is he that much worse than Leno, Letterman or Conan as far as gay-baiting goes? Conan is self deprecating, but he often falls hard on gay jokes when he needs a laugh. But I agree, if they all were competing for the worst gay joke, which I kinda wonder, I don't know who would be winning. I wish there was a way to turn it around.
I stopped watching any of them much about the same time as Jeff Whitty's letter. Thank you, I haven't seen it before and it was relieving to read it. I've made a similar speech and was basically told to shut up -that was at a supposedly gay friendly party. I get the feeling that Whitty's sentiment is considered old fashioned in a world where the word "Gay" is slang for "stupid." We have to learn to lighten up, is what I'm told.
Kimmel does make fun of himself
I do feel the need to point out here that Kimmel does practice self-directed humor and this video was a case-in-point.
While a lot of people reacted negatively to the "stereotype" of "gay" clothing in the video it was actually part of the joke about the absurdity of the situation. Sarah Silverman is quite attractive. Maybe not as attractive as Matt Damon's actual wife. But attractive enough that the idea of them having a fling isn't particularly absurd.
Jimmy, however, is so radically opposite Ben Affleck in looks that it was funny to think of them together. And notice that it was Jimmy who was shirtless rather than Ben (whom we would much rather have seen without a shirt). They even included a joke about Jimmy's "breasts" being bigger than Sarah's. Jimmy's a schlub and he knows it.
So if part of Sarah's video was teasing that she was f***ing Matt Damon and he's so much hotter than Jimmy that "I don't pretend he's you", Jimmy's response joke was that yes, he's a schlub, but he's f***ing Ben Affleck!
The gay thing came into this mostly because of the legendary Damon/Affleck bromance, which is actually better known to the public than Damon's actual marriage. If Sarah's video had been about doing Brad Pitt instead Jimmy would have had the pleasure of a reply video with Angelina Jolie. Guess he should think more carefully about who he makes the butt of his jokes on his show...
Light up... just slightly.
Yeah, these things are funny because they're borderline true. There is a sense of disappointment among parents, no matter how enlightened or accepting, when they find out that their child is gay. Which is why finding a playboy under one's son's bed might be a moment for quiet celebration.
And what's more, a lot of what passes for gay culture is pretty freaking hilarious. I understand the need for activism, pride parades and sites like this one, but I don't understand the need for assless chaps in public during the daytime. At my first gay pride parade, I saw a man riding a bike around West Hollywood while wearing a mesh bodysuit that had a separate, yet equally transparent, sleeve for his cock. It was 3pm on a Sunday afternoon. For me, that's either sad or hilarious, or a little bit of both, and because we sometime present those stereotypes as representative of gay culture in some way (as opposed to exhibitionism), we can't really get mad if people make jokes.
And in the end, the "I'm f*cking Ben Affleck" piece, was only moderately funny because, unfortunately, Mr. Kimmel is only moderately amusing. That's why his show is rated just above Carson Daly's.
In the end, I guess, my point is that we do need to lighten up, just a touch. Homophobia exists in very real, very dangerous ways within our society, and I think that, perhaps, if we could poke a bit more fun at ourselves, it might become clearer to the general public that we're more than cutoff wearing stereotypes. And then maybe they'll let Luke and Noah kiss again -- a man can only hope.
Long live good taste
Assless chaps and fishnet body stockings?
A friend of mine used to call Gay Pride:
the Funeral March For the Death of Good Taste.
No More
I agree with everything you said except that gay people should lighten up. Anti-gay prejudice is NOT NEW. This stuff has been happening for millenia. It is way past time people challenge anti-gay prejudice.
Unfortunately, I think gay people embrace stereotypes that some straight people have created for us. I'm optimistic that eventually gay people will break away and finally be themselves. For centuries throughout the world same-sex couples could only form unions if one was butch and the other feminine. Today gay people are forming unions that are egalitarian which is what we truly are.
Darken up A LOT
Eh...
I'm going to quote my favorite rapper here: "The strong move quiet, the weak start riots" (M. Bleek on a Jay-Z track). We have to be selective about the battles we fight. If we do, then when something truly is offensive and homophobic, our outrage has more impact.
When we jump on every little thing, that's when we seem weak and oversensitive. The ability to let some slights roll of one's back, but fight back when necessary is a mark of maturity and wisdom. After all, aren't we supposed to not sweat the small stuff?
But when is the right time
But when is the right time to fight a battle? Why wait for a great, egregious transgression? Usually, the greater attrocities in life could have been stopped had we listened to and acted upon earlier signs of each respective "apocalypse". If we just shrug off these minor things, we will allow the greater offenses to occur. Usually when one person takes a liberty, the next will take an even greater one when nothing is done about the first.
I say that it's necessary to stop it now so that other, even bigger and more influencial jackoffs take our silence as permission to cause us greater harm.
Well Said
100% Correct
not really bothered by it....
I don't watch the shows and I don't know if he is worse than the other hosts...and honestly...I don't care if he DOES have a problem with gay people or transgender people. reason being the following:
I feel like when people say "oh, you brought us down, you insulted us..." that only forces these people to apologize...when in fact, they could care less. they apologize because they are public figures and so many people know them.
I'd rather have these people lose repsect on their own and try their damndest to get it back. I would also like them to actually get out of their frat boy mindset and educate themselves about how we really are. no, i want them to get out there, know these people and then judge. if they still feel that gays are weird and whatever...then fine. but at least they went out, ya know?
Just like magazines, people tune in to this stuff. i have a feeling a majority of his viewers are probably in the same fratboy mindset as he is. that's fine. i don't watch his show...he is not hurting me. he is only making himself look like an ass. if he made fun of a murder victim of a hate crime, then yes....that's where my blood would boil. the thing about the ax was uncalled for. but if he is making fun of gays as a whole, I.E. "haha, that's so gay of you" then whatever. it's dumb yes....but why keep forcing these people to say sorry when they don't care?
let them fall on their own and try and get back up.
I think you'd be shocked by
ok..
"think we have a POV, and by calling people's attention to slights or insensitivities that we perceive, I think it makes them think twice the next time a "gay" issue comes up. For many of these folks, they've honestly never thought about the repercussions of what they say. They just want the audience to laugh. But when they're reminded, "You know, that was a cheap shot," I think it can make difference."
^ maybe it was mentioned, but has jimmy ever been called out before (not just the ax thing) for making a gay joke?
i honestly feel that people like Jimmy won't learn. they're like grown up children. you tell them no once...they'll stop...but once the flames have died down...they'll go right back to doing it again. just for a cheap laugh.
maybe the heads of ABC should step in and give him an ultimatum, because like i said...he has a right to not feel comfortable with gays...but he also needs a paycheck and so ABC should probably say "you keep your gay jokes at home, away from work..or you're out, because it is no longer acceptable" - - and i am sure he would eventually get sick of the sh-t hitting the fan everytime he made an offensive joke....but either way...i don't think he'll learn.
I do wonder though if when these hosts dish these jokes....how much is it from them or the writers?
Hosts and Writers
"I do wonder though if when these hosts dish these jokes....how much is it from them or the writers?"
Liz, you must realize that it is the JIMMY KIMMEL SHOW and the writers can't force him to do material he doesn't want to do. He's not just up there reading a moniter with no idea what he's saying.
Let's Be Fair Here
How often do gay comedians make jokes about straight people? Or rednecks? Or conservatives?
Psionycx, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING
db, Yes I am
Isn't there massive outrage right now over the hateful comments made by obscure Oklahoma state politician Sally Kern in remote forums mostly attended by people who already agreed with her anyway?
The gay community seems to consider any insult, no matter how when/where/how it is delivered as "hate speech".
Yet in all honesty, we are just as prone to make bigoted remarks and blanket generalizations without the slightest regard for who we offend.
Are you seriously saying that gay commedians making fun of other groups on networks like Logo or in stage shows is somehow more acceptable simply because they have less of an audience? That sounds like a bit of a double-standard to me. And it might surprise you to know that just as we often hear of offenses made against us, so do others hear about the things we say about them.
Kimmel's entire comedy schtick centers around him being a classic frat boy, schlump. And just as the Man Show can be (and was) considered misogynistic, his current routines may be not always be pleasing to us?
Are you proposing a culture of censorship? Because if you are I can assure you that the straights outnumber us, and if the idea of silencing anyone who disagrees with a certain opinion should gain hold and free speech be supressed, it is far more likely that we would be the ones getting gagged, and not anti-gay bigots.
Panties unnecessarily bunched
Who Watches Jimmy Kimmel???
Round here, I can't name you one straight or gay buddy (male or female) who watches Jimmy Kimmel, save for the one or two who's seen him elsewhere and declare him a jerk.
Sorry, gentlemen, I'm sitting this battle out.
Been there, done that, bought the soundtrack!
Saturday Night Live is also bad (in more ways than one)
Interestingly, we just MAY
Seriously? I found it a light in a dark tunnel...
When I first saw Ambiguously Gay Duo, I honestly caught the over the top humor - I was in denial more than closeted, from a small town in WV. I don't have a clue what year it was, but shaky memory says it was 20 years ago. But it was gay humor, and I didn't sense any malice behind it. It was unique on television at the time. I've always tried to sense the intent behind humor that was offensive, and if the intent to harm wasn't there, I didn't take offense. I even went so far as to buy a SNL collection disc I had no interest in because it was hosted by The ambiguously gay duo.
Kimmel I can't take because he's just not funny. The man show wasn't funny. His show isn't funny. The Ben Affleck wasn't funny because of the stereotypes, but not because they're offensive, but because he didn't put the least bit of thought into his response to Sarah's incredibly inventive song. He more or less copied the song she wrote, but delivered it without commitment. He skipped the vivid visions they Sarah and Matt invoked passionately singing "on the bed, on the floor, byt the door" and instead took the easy, mindless way out by calling in celebrities and letting an intern stage the wardrobe. It wasn't that it was offensive, it was that, like all his jokes, there's just nothing new there, no thought, no hook, no insight. That's the sin of Jimmy.
Bill Maher, For Instance...
Brent: "I think you'd be shocked by how often I hear from people I interview, "Oh. I never really thought of it that way." I had a friend who used to tell racist jokes until I said, "You know, I don't think that's all that funny." He said, "Wow, no one's ever said that before. You're right.""
Bill Maher tells a similar story about being politely confronted by a gay man after one of his shows when Maher was still a young comedian. Maher acknowledged he wasn't thinking through what he was doing, relying on stereotypes for a cheap laugh, and he changed his act after that night. It's not like Maher no longer tells gay jokes, but if you watch his show, he's inarguably a vocal proponent of gay rights, and his gay material tends to be aimed at hypocrites like Larry Craig and Rudy Guiliani. So, definitely, even one person can make a difference if you ask some of these comedians to think about what they're doing. It's just that, too often, nobody bothers. I'm glad you and AfterElton do, Brent.
Is Craig a homophobe?
I have become a HUGE Craig Ferguson fan over the last couple of years. He makes gay jokes all the time but I personally don't take anything that he says offensively simply because he's originally European (Scottish), and when he DOES say a gay joke, he always follows up with some gesture or comment which indicates that he's only kidding. The other late night hosts simply say a gay joke and that's it, nothing else. At least Craig makes it CLEAR that he's only kidding. I just find that his "approach" is much different than Dave/Jay/Conan/Kimmel. I also find that the "European attitude" towards gay people is FAR much better than the attitude of the U.S. Let's face it, Europe is far more liberal when it comes to matters regarding sex and/or sexuality. It's much more rampant over there than it is in the U.S. Europe's censorship laws are much "looser" than the ultra-conservative U.S. Sheesh, Luke and Noah on ATWT can't even share a kiss on a consistant basis. (Eye-roll)
Craig's been in the U.S. since the 80's and his presence has only gotten stronger over the years, especially now since he recently (officially) became a U.S. citizen.
Any thoughts?
Does anyone care to tackle Carson Daly? I don't know too much about him. Peace :)
Regards,
dgd417
What's really offensive.
The only thing (videos included) I found offensive was the Manshow skit. And this was because it involved the predisposition of a child's sexuality by an ignorant father. The audience cheer at the end made my stomach clench. This is worth getting upset about, the rest is not.
If finding a Penthouse under my mattress was a clear indication of my sexuality at that time, then the person finding it would be clearly wrong. Curious is not the word for it. Exploration of sex at a young age is just that, exploration. And although the rag displayed may of been of different content, you can be assured that the casual observer would see one thing, a busty female on the cover and would draw the wrong conclusion from there. In my day that magazine would have images of both men & women, mostly women, but men nevertheless. Straight geared porn was not afraid of male nudity back then, like it is now. And there were not only images, but stories. At that age I read constantly, I was obsessed with reading and I was vigorously reading everything I could get my hands on. After the novelty of any nudity wore off, the reading took over. And it was through that exploration that it finally dawned on me that I was constantly looking at the images with men in them and not the ones with just women. And it was reading an article about two men having sex that finally clued me in to what I was and wasn't.
It's quite possible that Jimmy could live to regret that skit.
Randy
It was a JOKE!
In defense of the Richard Cohen clip
One more thing: You have to keep in mind that Kimmel's biggest influences are David Letterman and Howard Stern.
Letterman, as you know, likes to be ironic. That's why he recently conducted interviews with Paris Hilton and The Hills star Lauren Conrad in a straightlaced manner.
Howard Stern, as well, will have guests like the "God Hates Fags" people and a KKK grand master without really challenging them.
What they both are trying to accomplish -- and what Jimmy Kimmel is trying to do with Richard Cohen -- is basically let the guest be himself/herself AND let them hang themselves.
You could, of course, look at the Kimmel interview of Cohen as him being totally in agreement with. But you could also see it as Kimmel *NOT INTERFERING* with his absurd ideas, and letting his ridiculous ideas shine through for what they are.
You can see this also in Kimmel's interview with Tay Zonday and the Tron Guy, both unusual people whom he treats as being normal, whether they are offensive or not.
Here's the Tron guy: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RsF2RUMmpqc
Here's Zonday: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NattlyH0IeM
For the record, I didn't
Kimmel is a homophobe
The interview with Sanjayah was downright mean