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Death By "Torchwood": Captain Jack, Ianto Jones, And The Rise Of The Queer Superhero

For the vast majority of us, the fight for queer equality is far from over. Victimization of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transsexual people still exists in various degrees in most countries of the world. But surely, we have won enough ground in enough places that we no longer have to be content with our cultural role as victims.

Armed with an ever growing list of victories, the queer rights movement is gathering steam. What we need now is not pity, but our own superheroes: cultural proof that we don’t just exist – we kick ass.

Television is a good gauge of cultural attitudes. The fact that Torchwood, with its unapologetically queer superhero, is so popular with mainstream audiences, is a good indication of how far we’ve come.

The show has been largely embraced – same-sex smooching and all – by the notoriously macho-centric sci fi community, and Captain Jack action figures have taken their rightful place among other pop culture symbols. Queer kids growing up today have a cultural icon to claim as their own in a way none of us ever did before. And as they grow to adulthood, they will shape the world accordingly.

In this context, Ianto’s death seems logical, even welcome: to me, it symbolizes the shedding of our old skin, putting to rest all those doomed gay heroes of the past and starting with a clean slate. The beauty of Torchwood is that Captain Jack, who so dashingly embodies queer empowerment, can never die: he will go on, because he is the future.

Check out the more in-depth version of this article at PolinaSkibinskaya.blogspot.com.

JP's picture

Exactly

Yes!

This is why I am angry at COE. You explain it very well. To me, I enjoy what the writers have said at Comic Con 2008 and others interviews before COE. Yes, I going to see new progression of Jack & Ianto. When I watch day 1, I see there is something wrong and when Gwen talk with Lois, I know they going to kill Ianto and I was pissed off. I believe in season 1-2 Ianto was special to Jack. Finally COE show to me Ianto was just a toy for Harkness.

You explain my displeasure very well so thank you so much!

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sparkyb01's picture

Jack's backstory ...

Ianto as the 'gay' character, and Jack as the almost unwitting, faintly reluctant, sexually vague object of his adoration, complete with a nice heteronormative backstory with a female partner, daughter and doting grandson. 

This never occurred to me, but I see what you mean. I guess I missed that by not being sufficiently able to set aside what I knew of Jack's story from the previous seasons. There were a lot of new viewers, though, and you're right that that's what they might see. It affects yet another thing that bothered me about CoE: I had been worried that by making Ianto "Jacksexual," as another poster put it, the show came too close to suggesting that Jack "turned Ianto gay." It's a difficult enough fight over here in the US for issues like gay marriage and adoption without a popular show feeding into anti-glbt "recruitment" nonsense. But maybe your point would make my worry less noticable to the average viewer?

And yes, what I totally agree with what you say about the deceptive marketing, too.

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F'losrix's picture

Interesting article, but...

The article is an interesting viewpoint on the subject, but I disagree with it for many of the same reasons that other posters have mentioned (especially Psionycx), and which were stated so well that I needn't waste anyone's time repeating them.

I am at times amazed at our progress, but just as often extremely frustrated by it's drunken snail's pace, and continually reminded of how far we yet have to go. I find it impossible to agree with the idea that we've reached the place where Torchwood CoE is reflective of our progress. Instead, many of us saw the interaction of Jack & Ianto as being ripe with potential for exploration. To say that we're disappointed with the direction Davies has taken would be an obvious understatement.

I'm just not convinced that we're at a place where Ianto's death doesn't reinforce the gay = death concept for a whole lot of people.

As for a new season of Torchwood, I have even less interest after the passage of time and some distance from CoE. I just don't see anything there to build on, no phoenix rising from the ashes of the hub.
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Psionycx's picture

Canon versus Slash

You're quite correct here F'losrix, and it underlines the problem.

It seems to me in a lot of the arguments here that a lot of the viewpoints interpreting the positive angle are focused primarily hypothetical aspects of Jack and Ianto's relationship that never actually happened onscreen.

This is the Canon verus Slash problem. Especially in the age of internet fanfic it's very easy to allow your imagination to build on the story that is actually shown onscreen and add embellishments that weren't really there. This is made worse by the fact that LGBT audiences are so starved for good characters and relationships on television that we may often forgive poor or mediocre depictions because we're so used to having to use our imaginations in a way that viewers rarely have to with straight characters and relationships.

But on the actual show a lot of Jack and Ianto's relationship is manifest only in dialogue, if it's there at all. Jack only falls in "love" with the real Captain Jack (who he literally knew would die the next day) or Ianto (to whom he could never actually say the words or even articulate his feelings). Jack's reminiscenses about other men are mostly tongue-in-cheek commentaries on his sexual adventures, usually intended to tease Gwen.

Was this progress? Not really. Ianto died tragically, just like gay characters were supposed to in old time media. Jack was never more of a caricature of a lusty bisexual playboy who is a largely incompetent "hero" who causes as much misery as he solves and who is so cold-heartedly pragmatic that he can kill his own grandson.

Hardly a role model of a person or a relationship. And thus, literally no progress at all.

I'll be surprised if RTD goes back to this. My impression is that he developed some kind of pathological hatred of Jack and/or Torchwood and just wanted to trash the whole thing in a ratings stunt. That frees him up to pursue other projects, and possibly use whatever street cred he gained to try and get gigs writing movies or something.

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Anomic's picture

Wonderfully put, Psionycx.

Your posts always tend to impress me, though.

Its probably worth pointing out that according to GDL, Jack was originally written to tell Ianto he loved him back. It was changed after the first read through. Not really sure why exactly they decided to change it, but that would have probably stifled people's anger at the show a touch if they had left it in.

And I definitely agree that it was NOT progress, not matter what anyone says. Gay characters usually do die in these shows, how is it progress to do the same thing that writers have been doing for centuries? As I discussed with someone on an lj post, a gay character dying can only be progress once they have gotten to the point where they are represented as well and as frequently as the hets. Its unavoidable, gay character death isn't creative. Before the miniseries I was one of those who saw Ianto's death coming just because that's how these shows work. They played to the typical, not the progressive.

 

"I paint objects as I think them, not as I see them." - Pablo Picasso

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Cufflinksandtie's picture

Psionycx Boom

You put everything so well, that I can only add a few thoughts:

TW can't survive without JB.  He is not replacable like Doctor Who.  

Jack, being immortal, can't form relationships any more because he knows it.

JB is a real star.  Acting- well, many stars can't act.  Maybe RTD was done with JB.

IJ became a cult figure because he stands in for us.  

QAF US has better relationship and character development than QAF UK. 

QAF lasted one year.  Plus a second year short coda, much like CoE.

I can never forgive RTD for killing off Iano Jones.

 

 

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I agree with you completely

I agree with you completely about the problem of Canon vs Slash.  It is discouraging that many of the most popular gay couples on TV are not actually couples (or even gay) at all but are instead manufactured by the audience purely out of subtext.  There is nothing wrong with slash and fanfic, but it is a poor substitute for actual visibility. 

What really irritates me is the way that writers exploit the idea of slash to gain gay viewers without actually giving them anything at all.  Gay subtext operates on the old 'you only see what you want to see' principle.  Gay people see a gay couple and straight people see really good friends.  Subtext serves two purposes: it helps attract more gay viewers, but it also does it in a way that avoids exposing straight viewers to homosexuality.  In this way, it allows writers to have their cake and eat it too: they are able to satisfy gay viewers without taking any of the risks associated with actually including a gay character.

The problem with subtext is that by functioning as a 'shield' to protect straight viewers, it completely defeats one of the main objectives of getting more LGBT characters on TV: visibility.  It allows writers to exploit gay viewership without challenging any of the straight members of the audience.  The problem of subtext is one that should be of great interest to this site. 

The bottom line is, as long as writers know we will settle for less, they will continue getting away with giving us less. 

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Was it all a lie?

It's interesting that his self-hatred included not only his sexuality, but also his upbringing. We find later to Rhiannon's dismay, that the team didn't really know Ianto. They all thought that his father was a master tailor and life growing up was all good. However, we find later that it was a lie. Good old dad worked in the the UK's version of K-mart. Ianto also makes an implies that there wasabuse in a scene where he asks his sister to meet him at the place where Ianto's dad broke Ianto's leg. Adding this to his earlier subterfuges, we finally realize that we never knew Ianto. We really never knew anything about this guy until after he died. Perhaps this is what is most saddening and disappointing after all... we never really knew him. It disappoints the characters, but it also disappoints the viewers who wanted to give the gay romance a chance.
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bitsygirl's picture

Well to be honest we didn't

Well to be honest we didn't really know anything about him, did we, mostly because he was little more than decoration in most episodes and because most of the background we did have on him such as it was revolved around his relationship with Lisa and Torchwood. We almost exclusively got to know him through his job and his relationship with Jack. The only thing we knew about his family was his father was a master tailor and he took him to the Electro. S3 was the first time we even knew he had other family members let alone a life outside the hub. We didn't even know if he had a flat or not or whether he just camped out in the hub every night.

 

Of course the lie did make me wonder what kind of background checks Torchwood 3 do on their employees. Apparently not much of one since he told that lie to Jack and if Jack had done any sort of extensive background check surely he would have known that was a lie. And wouldn't have Ianto known he knew that was a lie because Ianto knew everything. I mean I know the impression the show gave was Jack pretty much hired him because he wanted to get into his knickers, but still.

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One of Jack's funnier failings...

...which became all-too apparent over the course of Torchwood's run was his utter ineptitude in human resources matters. As I remember one blogger humourously complaining in a rant about Gwen - that's what HR consultants are for Jack!

I mean think about it. Owen, Tosh and Gwen all worked in useful fields (physician, engineer, police officer) but had no real experience in paranormal matters. Jack made them his core field team.

Ianto, alone of all of them, had prior experience working for Torchwood One and demonstrated that he was fairly handy around weevils and extinct prehistoric reptiles. So what does Jack assign him to? Coffee duty!

That Ianto was probably the most talented person out of the bunch was the true irony. After all, he not only managed to smuggle a huge cyber-conversion unit plus one woman in a cyber-bikini into the Hub, but he was also able to keep both functional right under everyone's noses for an unclear length of time, as well as bring in a foreign medical consultant (with admittedly unpleasant results). It truly impressed me the way this blue collar son of Wales was seemingly possessed of an intellect and skills to match, or exceed, everyone else in the Hub.

My impression was that Jack was opting for the same random recruitment policy that the Doctor practices. Of course, the Doctor's not running a government agency, is one of the most intelligent beings in the universe (and thus doesn't need much in the way of help) and is more or less keeping his companions as pets. Jack, however, is supposed to be running a global security franchise and (one would think) ought to have been putting a little more thought into staffing. Random recruitment based on looks is hardly sensible, especially when the human resource pool is running dangerously low.

Staffing issues abound at Torchwood Three. Yvonne over at Torchwood One had literally hundreds of employees in her enormous bosom. Jack, on the other hand, was so lazy when it came to staffing matters that he had a giant base that, at it's worst point, was staffed by a mere three people including himself! I have to wonder why the Queen never noticed the precipitous drop in the number of Torchwood paychecks she was signing.

Even cheesy, low-budget, 1960's Star Trek had a ship full of red shirts to at least perform the basic day-to-day operations (and die in every episode so that the main cast could live). But Jack believes in heavy workloads and multi-tasking. Hence his only doctor and computer technician also ran around chasing weevils with cans of mace. His only Torchwood veteran ran the coffee kiosk and handed out tourist brochures in the front office whose purpose beyond serving as a place for them to receive their takeout orders was never quite clear. Obviously this was a strictly amateur operation compared to other similar organizations.

Nowhere was this disparity more evident than in the respective cases of Dr Martha Jones MD of UNIT and Dr Owen Harper MD of Torchwood Three. When investigating the scene of suspected alien activity Dr Jones is assisted by a battalion of UNIT troops. In contrast, Dr Harper is reduced to personally chasing chavs through the back alleyways to shake them down for possible alien technology.

Presumably Jack, known for his sloth and general disinterest in administration, simply didn't want to be bothered with things like placement interviews and personnel reviews. This contributed the generally poor state of staffing at Torchwood Three. Heck, had the 456 not invaded he was just about to hire a doctor who was actually spy based (as near as I could tell) on the fellow's good looks.

Assuming the Queen is now senile enough to keep Gwen in charge, perhaps she'll rectify this matter, most likely by mass-hiring from the ranks of the Cardiff constabulary. She certainly has demonstrated a talent for giving them orders.

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Elliot's picture

Good point!

It's true:  why didn't Jack have more people working under him?  I always wondered that off-handedly; it was a let down after the S2 finale of Doctor Who where we saw all those people and their own private army.

You have a penchant for pointing out the obvious things I missed.  Thank you. 

"When the people fear its government, that's tyranny.  When the government fears its people, that's liberty."

- Thomas Jefferson

Cufflinksandtie's picture

Eve Myles

Apparently Myles was a big Welsh star before she went underground. I can only find that she was in "Doctor Who","Belonging" and "Little Dorritt." In some of the backstage interviews and fan panels on Youtube JB remarks on her great talent as an actress- did anyone see it? I'd also like to address the misuse of Tom Price as PC Andy. Everyone in the Hub had dark hair, and luscious blond Tom would have made a better contrast. He is known as a stand-up comic, and I for one would like him as a lie-down dish. Kai Owen was well-used in such a thankless role. I will never forgive RTD for killing Ianto.

 

 

 

Aime-mois moins, mais aime-moi longtemps

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Thoughts of a Long-Term WHO Fan!

Hey, I've been into DOCTOR WHO and its various spinoffs for ages (I grew up on Tom Baker's Fourth Doctor) and I must note that I did find Ianto's death in CoE Homophobic. The whole episode had Jack and Ianto acting out of character; Ianto's "It's just him" line going against his active pursuit of Jack in S2 and his declaration of long-ago coping with his bisexuality (to his sister!) in one of the canon BBC TORCHWOOD novels. Jack is also acting oddly- the man who dismissed human preoccupation with sexual labels as "Cutely old-fashioned" in season 1 is now arguing with Ianto about being called a "Couple?" As to the death itself, it's very hard not to view it as a homophobic act when it's compared to Gwen being happy, radiant and pregnant by Rhys at the end. The Straight woman is rewarded with a baby- the Gays are rewarded with death and exile. Russell T. Davies may be Gay, but we Queers can still be homophobic- Camille Paglia, anyone?! If there is a Season 4 (it seems likely) I hope RTD listens to the hugely appalled fanbase (not just "a few people on the 'net" as he dismissed us) and brings Ianto back- I mean, we've seen Jack bring people back from the dead before with his (literal) kiss of life- surely Ianto would be a prime candidate?!
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Thoughts of a Long-Term WHO Fan!

Hey, I've been into DOCTOR WHO and its various spinoffs for ages (I grew up on Tom Baker's Fourth Doctor) and I must note that I did find Ianto's death in CoE Homophobic. The whole episode had Jack and Ianto acting out of character; Ianto's "It's just him" line going against his active pursuit of Jack in S2 and his declaration of long-ago coping with his bisexuality (to his sister!) in one of the canon BBC TORCHWOOD novels. Jack is also acting oddly- the man who dismissed human preoccupation with sexual labels as "Cutely old-fashioned" in season 1 is now arguing with Ianto about being called a "Couple?" As to the death itself, it's very hard not to view it as a homophobic act when it's compared to Gwen being happy, radiant and pregnant by Rhys at the end. The Straight woman is rewarded with a baby- the Gays are rewarded with death and exile. Russell T. Davies may be Gay, but we Queers can still be homophobic- Camille Paglia, anyone?! If there is a Season 4 (it seems likely) I hope RTD listens to the hugely appalled fanbase (not just "a few people on the 'net" as he dismissed us) and brings Ianto back- I mean, we've seen Jack bring people back from the dead before with his (literal) kiss of life- surely Ianto would be a prime candidate?!
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Psionycx's picture

I swear to God I did not write this!

However, it sums the whole thing up better than I ever could!

Uncylcopedia: "Torchwood"

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Cufflinksandtie's picture

Nearly as verbose

as the contents of this blog thread, it is hilarious!  Thanx for the link!

 

 

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Elliot's picture

Less Reality, Please

The problem with CoE (and much of Torchwood) is the storycraft of RTD. Even in the latter seasons of Doctor Who we see evidence of this.

Leaving aside all the stuff about Ianto's death, Jack sacrificing his grandson, and Gwen walking away unscathed, I believe I know the main problem with "Torchwood".

This desire to be "real."

As others have commented, yes, people do die in real life, promising youth gets cut short - we saw that in Fort Hood and in Orlando today - but as I've said before, if I wanted real life, I'd just look out my window.

It seems like RTD has it in for the concept of "romance". I don't just mean romance in the sense of romantic love, but romance in the sense of people's dreams, people's goals and hopes and their drive to attain them. I'm not saying all stories have to have a happy ending, but it's that initial drive that keeps us glued to the screen. To quote Michael Shurtleff, "'Three Sisters' is not a play about three sisters who never make it to Moscow; it's a play about three sisters who fight like hell to get there."

 In "Torchwood" the creators wanted to make a "real", "gritty" world - and to an extent, they did so. But without the romance to counterbalance that, CoE became unwatchable and bordered on becoming a parody of itself. This desire to make things "real" can become a nail in the coffin to any genre, not just science fiction. RTD should've allowed for more romance, even if it made things less "real". Ianto didn't need to die, Jack didn't need to sacrifice his grandson, and Gwen didn't need to be abandoned with a baby. There's always a better, more creative way to solve any story problem if you're willing to allow for a little romance.

In conclusion, sometimes a little reality should be exchanged for a little romance.

"When the people fear its government, that's tyranny.  When the government fears its people, that's liberty."

- Thomas Jefferson

bitsygirl's picture

I suspect the problem is

I suspect the problem is that 'reality' for most tv writers doesn't mean real so much as bleak, destruction, death, despair, misery, nihilistic, cynicism which isn't necessarily the same thing. I've noticed that whenever writers start talking about wanting things to be real what they really mean is depressing as if the only way life can be portrayed as real is if everyone is suffering seemingly endlessly. I'm not sure what reality they're living in, but they seem to forget that happiness, joy, hell even just enjoying life is as much a part, if not more so, of real life.
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Tarc's picture

Just a quick revisit...

I've already made plenty of comments on the subject, so I'll just make a very brief one here. To be honest, saying that Davies is a nice guy and gets gay people on TV does not, in any sense, make him gay positive. In fact, if you look at Davies' work, he's nearly schizophrenic on the subject. Using the article's example of QAF, the show features many gay people for sure, but most of them so stereotypical (and often so distatseful) in character and behavior, it's very nearly bashing. It's not a self-aware drama as much as a (more than) slightly self-loathing melodrama. It's not reflective of any gay folks I know, but rather a 'worst of' characture. It also displays more of the patented Davies' hopeless nihlistic worldview, which has grown increasingly potent over the years, and has become a serious turn-off. In fact, it reaches a pinnacle in Torchwood (and CoE) in particular, where the schizophernia is most self-evident. He bothers to create the most popular gay couple in sci-fi history, then barely shows them, and then nearly instantly destroys them (and all of the other queer members of the team) for no real reason - even forcing other characters out character to do so (and vaunt the heterosexual ideal). And the troupes he uses (1) self-accepting queers must die or be punished; 2) heterosexuals are good and proper, and queers are miserable and bad) are particularly loathesome - and obviously disjucnt with reality enough they they are very deliberately chosen. And regardless of the motovation for the events of CoE, I found that Davies effective destroyed my interest in the show. And no, it's not because he killed Ianto! I'm just incredibly disappointed that he broke the viewers trust in killing off the cast, broke the viewer's trust in driving characters Out-of-character for the convenience of (an insipid and nonsensical) plot, and derived the whole mini-series as a tool for promoting his dark, hopeless, nihlistic, heterocentric worldview. Sorry, there are churches for that, and I have better, most positive things to do with my time. What an incredible disappointment of a show, a writer, and a philosophy.
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