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Torchwood Episode 212 Recap: “Fragments”

So Jack takes him to the Hub, which is now revealed in all its Hub-like glory. Like the guys in Clerks wondering about the contractors on the Death Star, I wonder who Jack got to build all this in secret. Maybe that’s why he’s got no retcon left, having blown it all on the construction crew who spent the last six months remodeling a subway station into a future pterodactyl habitat?

Jack asks Owen why he became a doctor, and Owen says he thought that by saving a life he might save his own. But there’s always more and more lives demanding to be saved, and you can never really save enough. Jack responds, “Maybe here you can.”

Cut to present-day rubble. Gwen blindly thunders toward Owen, nearly sending the jagged glass down on both of them. He points out the glass above, and she says to him, “Look at me. Listen to me. You’re going to be all right,” and while I’m sure he appreciates this concern for his feelings, I think he might appreciate it even more if she, oh I don’t know, actually got him out of there before he’s sliced in half? Finally, she pulls him free, just as the glass comes crashing down.

Outside the building, they meet up with everyone else. This was such a good episode I’m not even going to la la la about how they were all in a building explosion and the worst that happened was a broken arm. Or the fact that the only parts of their lives that flashed were the stories about how they came to Torchwood, like none of them had anything else they’d rather remember in their final moments.

Ianto notices the SUV is gone, and Gwen wonders who’s behind all this. Jack’s wristband starts beeping, and he presses a button to get an Obi-Wan-o-gram from Spike. Yay! I thought we wouldn’t see him until next week.

Spike: Oooh. Déjà vu. Or, did I say that already? Hey, team! Course there might be a few less of you by now. Don't know if you liked my little gift. [To Jack:] Of course you can't die. And with all that life, all that time, you can't spare any for me. Oh, say “hi” to the family.

Spike proceeds to project an image of grown-up Gray. We know it’s Gray because we hear the distinctive middle-eastern wailing of all Tatooine flashbacks. Plus Spike says it’s been awhile since Jack saw his little bro.

Spike: Okay, here's what’s gonna happen. Everything you love, everything you treasure, will die. I'm going to tear your world apart. Piece by piece, starting now.

Sounds to me like the makings for a season finale. I say bring it on, Spike. Bring it on.

arysteia's picture

Two nations divided by a common language...

One of the things I enjoy most about these recaps (apart from your general wit and charm) is seeing how lost in translation British English really is when Americans hear it. Owen saying "Snap" is not remotely connected to the American usage. It's from the kids' card game where players take turns to lay down a card and if two of the same suit go down in a row you slap your hand down on the pile and say snap, winning all the cards. Contextually then, Jack says "Bomb", Owen says "Snap", ie me too. This piece of useless knowledge brought to you by someone with *nothing* to do at work.
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Loving Every Minute's picture

I was laughing so much when

I was laughing so much when I read the interpretation of Owen's "Snap." in the recap-- like anyone would try to have Owen pull a Joy...
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I was confused

Yeah, I was confused by the comment, too. It totally did not make sense contexually, especially with Owen. I convinced myself that he said something else like "checkmate." Then I thought maybe he was referring to the slang, "Aww, Snap" which is used to politely say "Aww, Sh@#" Thus he was just saying a profanity about the situation.

Now I know. Thanks guys for sharing the knowledge.

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Oh Snap! Thanks for the info

on Snap's British derivation. I have a vague recollection of a Brit camp counselor teaching us how to play it. But the phrase for me has now been completely co-opted by Joy and her drag queen/trailer trash spin on it. It's truly a joy to hear.

 

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Retcon isn't just pills I guess

Great recap as always. Good episodes must be tougher to do though, as there's less to tease. But you did admirably as always.

This really was a great episode, although in some ways, mainly Janto ways, it's a continuity nightmare worthy of Star Trek: Enterprise.

It really is amazing how often we see Gwen and Rhys in bed isn't it? I really think the writers have a fetish for Eve Myles going on. Maybe she's working on this baby business Rhys is so concerned about? But isn't she supposed to be like second-in-command of this operation? Seriously, missing the call to duty because she obviously spent a druken night getting her coal mine drilled by Rhys is a bit lax isn't it? No wonder Tosh resents her so badly.

They need to do something to give the Torchmobile a Knight Rider like personality. All this technology and the best they can do is flashy blue lights? And it seems like everyone from Spike to illiterate, inbred, valley cannibals can steal the thing more or less at will. Torchwood security is a joke. Jack has no business criticising London!

I have to say I did like the Victorian, butt-kicking lesbians of Torchwood past. Just as an aside, lesbianism, unlike male homosexual acts, was not actually illegal in Victorian England. I still don't like them as much as WWI Torchwood though. Harriett ruled!

The flashbacks overall weren't bad. But I have to agree that Ianto's represents a massive piece of retconning (and not the drug). The Ianto we see here is the secret agent Ianto that has existed more in online fan fiction than on-screen.  I think the slash writers seized control of the BBC offices and did most of this script.  I say most because if they'd done 100% of it we'd have seen Jack and Ianto in bed instead of Rhys and Gwen and they would not have been passed out.

Of course, given how their relationship develops it's really quite appropriate Jack and Ianto met in a park. The unmentioned part is that neither of them was in fact actually looking for Weevils when they *ahem* went cruising that evening. Ianto's tenacity at getting a job at Torchwood 3 is of course based on his urgent need to stash a large cyber-conversion unit complete with Def Leppard woman somewhere with suitable wiring and a good coffee machine.

But the problem is that this all renders Series 1 Ianto inexplicable. Through most of Series 1 he comes across as the least action-oriented of the team. But here we see that he was, in fact, far better suited to pulling aliens/dinosaurs/Jack than Tosh, Owen or Gwen. Did he feed Jack Retcon or something? What about his comments to Tosh when they were locked up by cannibals? You know, about not understanding the adrenaline rush they get out of going into danger?

Because Gods knows that catching Weevils and Pterodactyls is soooooo relaxing. To say nothing about stepping into the road in front of an oncoming, fast-moving SUV. I don't know how SUV drivers in the UK are but the ones in US don't seem to know where the brakes are on their's, or else they can't reach them if they do. Ianto needed nerves of steel to pull that off.

And then, we have Jack boasting about his 51st Century pheromones!?! Hasn't it been a key plot point through this entire series that nobody knew anything about Jack. "Well, except him being gay" as Owen once so sagely put it. Did this little nugget about being from the 51st Century somehow not stick in Ianto's otherwise photographic memory? Or do we just assume it's one of the many secrets he was keeping like the fact that his girlfriend was the victim of an 80's music video or that Jack is running a hospital that even the NHS would be embarrassed by?

The blatant chemistry between them right from the start was great, but also perplexing given it's absence for the first half of Series 1. It's quite clear that they wanted each other from day one.  If the team ever compares notes they'll now know why Jack always summons Ianto to his office for closed-door meetings by making Pterodactyl mating calls.

But again, it's all weird because Torchwood Ianto was teaboy/secretary for Series 1, while Jack was sending at least two untrained civilians (Suzie's background is unclear and Gwen came on later) out to hunt aliens?! I've heard of bosses who like to promote career development and on the job training but this is absurd. About as absurd as Gwen being second in command come to think of it.

We have now determined why nobody put Jack in charge of Torchwood for more than a century until literally every other candidate was dead.

Looking forward to next week on a larger screen. Jack's brother's a hottie, and it's always fun to see Spike. I freely admit I've already cheated and watched the final episode on YouTube. It really is mind-blowing!

Thanks again for our weekly recap joy! 

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wench's picture

Ianto's History

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And then, we have Jack boasting about his 51st Century pheromones!?! Hasn't it been a key plot point through this entire series that nobody knew anything about Jack.

Well, yes. I think it's just one of those secrets that he kept. In a lot of the discussions about Jack in the beginning, his response was that he didn't care, not that he didn't know.

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Hee--I totally Americanized the "Snap" comment as well...

And your comment on Earl had me laughing out loud. Awesome. Joy totally rules.


I loved this episode. Loved flirty Jack, loved how tragic every single one of their backstories were. No one--save Gwen--was at Torchwood b/c they had chosen to be. I loved that.


I read the Ianto backstory a bit differently, though. You said: "They’re also trying to skim over the little fact that at this very moment Ianto’s got his cyber-girlfriend stored away somewhere and is plotting how to get her into the Hub for safekeeping." I actually thought Ianto's entire sequence displayed exactly how desparate he was to win himself a place on Team Torchwood specifically to save Lisa. I think it is important to note that Ianto is on the verge of sobbing when he walks away from Jack after the Myfanwy "incident", clearly indicating both his relief at finally succeeding in the ruse and also his self-loathing for having to resort to such tactics as seducing Jack to save the woman that he loves. Ack--great stuff in the way of character development. From Torchwood? Color me impressed.

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2nded

That's the way I interpreted the Ianto flashback. Ianto's "he knows me" comment about the Myfanwy suggested planning as did the suit.

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Awesome recap. My favorite

Awesome recap. My favorite was the 'I thought the only threat to the Empire was that pair of droids.' bit. Yeah, I'm a dork.

I don't think the writers were trying to retcon Lisa with Ianto's strong come-ons to Jack. Ianto was desperate for the job, and he probably thought flirting was the best way to land it. I mean, what kind of things must they have said about Jack over at Torchwood One?

Ianto has a look of absolute pain on his face when Jack gives him the job, so I think the whole time he's been doing this for Lisa, and is angry at himself for enjoying time with Jack.

Peace, conflict, and science fiction

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Campion's picture

Loved it.

Alert the ladies over at After Ellen, we have couple of Torchwood agents joining the club!

 

Torchwood turn of the century goes back to why it was created, i.e. Queen Victoria saw the Doctor as a threat to the empire. I guess that Torchwood Turn of the Century thought that if they kept Jack close at hand, they might encounter the Doctor if the two of them met up again. That and having a guy who can’t be killed is a great thing to have around.

Downloaded the Torchwood Declassified for this episode and in it Barrowman talks about how he does not like stuff glued to his face (sideburns for the Victorian times). I guess when you are the star of the show you can get your way a lot. Notice how nice and clean Jack’s head makes it through the explosion? Oh well, at least they gave him some splattered brains and a couple of bruises from Owen punching him.

Nice to have the spooky tarot card reading kid back. Hey wait a minute, this would make her over a hundred years old and has not aged a bit! Hmmmm ...there’s a story for the future.

I was just thinking the other day that Rhys might know about Torchwood but he would not know about Jack’s special power (unless Gwen had told him).

Tosh : Unit holding facility was a lot grittier than I would have expected. I guess a reflection of the times we live in and a more realistic portrayal of the Doctor Who / Torchwood universe. Certainly not like the days of the Brigadier. Surely someone would have seen the same potential as Jack does and have put her to work on other projects. Hell, you’ve got her mother and you know she responds to blackmail / kidnapping. Subtitles would have been nice for mom. How did mom feel about Tosh betraying her country for her? After all Mom is suppose to work for the RAF (“Greeks Bearing Gifts”). And just who the heck were those kidnappers anyway? You want a piece of technology that the government has shelved as not workable? Lalalala. They knew that Tosh was that good and would make it work for them? Obvious that Tosh has earned some trust over her years at Torchwood. Jack says no contact with her family, yet last season in “Captain Jack Harkness” she was going to go her grandfather’s 88th birthday party. Timeline seems to hold and things fit in with what we already knew about Tosh. Disappointed that did not go into the story of the Dr. Sato that met up with the 9th Doctor when the Slitheen invaded London. Ah well, stuff for future episodes.

Ianto : The only problem that I have with this bit was that the timeline becomes a bit shaky for me here. 21 months ago for Ianto to start at Torchwood Cardiff would mean that he would have had to have started, what, days, a few weeks before Gwen shows up. Is there anything that can be considered cannon for just how long Jack was away from Torchwood when he was with Martha and the Doctor? I thought that when Gwen and Jack first talk in the bar when he attempts to recton her that the Canary Wharf Battle was a few months into the past at least. Ianto has always seemed to have been so much of the operation (even in the background) for so long that it’s strange to remember that he has not been there much more longer than Gwen. Less than 21 months seems too short a time period for all the action we’ve seen at Torchwood. Jack sends two people to the ruins of Torchwood London and Ianto manages to sneak Cybergirlfriend Lisa into Torchwood Cardiff ? Pretty good for an unexceptional student who became a junior researcher with only 2 years experience. However, it is a very nice story of how Janto meet and even the pterodactyl gets its background story. Great job as always by Gareth showing the anguish / confliction on Ianto’s face after flirting with Jack as a betrayal of Lisa while he’s trying to get into Torchwood to save her (Just as Jack says he likes the suit and Ianto is walking away). Hmmmmm so Jack’s had dinosaur for breakfast, now that would be a story.

Owen: The only comment that I would make is that Fragment Owen is almost too nice and likeable. I just have trouble reconciling the sleazy scummy Owen we’ve known so far with this version of him. I know grief and loss can make a person bitter and jaded, but it just seems like such a long fall from the moral and centred Owen we’re shown here. Or maybe, the story is that Owen was not all that great a guy in the first place because he has fallen and look at how quickly he descended. Will have to reflect on this part some more. (Oh, sorry, should have mentioned that I only just got to watch the episode just now, today --Sunday and not Saturday).

Reading the Recap now : Good lord, I’m counting at least six bottles in that picture of Rhys and Gwen in bed. Good you caught the face too. God, who names a character Guppy in the same episode that the blowfish head creature reappears? Caught the tarot reader (ok hard to miss). Actually I think the oncoming storm is a name that the Daleks have for the Doctor. Cool call on AbFab.

Quote : Cut to present-day Tosh screaming under the rubble. Gwen is trying to move the slab off her, and Tosh screams, “You’re making it worse!” a line less about this specific circumstance, I think, and more a general commentary about Gwen’s overall impact on her life.

Steven you are a god! LOL Love you man.

Its 21 months not 24, I went back and confirmed, minor. Wait, Jack let it slip to Inato so early in the relationship that he is from the 51st century? Hey, Owen could not piss in fear if he wanted to, no body fluids, remember? Maybe we should have Gwen give you another refresher on Owen’s death. Just kidding. Good catch with how Katie looks like roof girl, bad things happening at weddings, this show really likes to do things in twos and threes. Oh, Psionycx cheated and viewed the final. *wonders if I can use that as permission to view the download I’ve got of it now or should I wait the week* See that both of us had trouble with the revisionment of Ianto’s history/behaviour.

Adjovi and Oscillation, in agreement about Ianto see above!

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Loving Every Minute's picture

24 months

"Present day" in Torchwood and Doctor Who is meant to be loosely present day, so actually 24 months is really too long, not too short for Ianto to have been with Torchwood 3. Not that this matters with all the other things you carefully avoid thinking about with Torchwood, but whatever. Canary Wharf came down about the end of June, so 21 months is the real time, 3 and a bit months before Gwen [real time again]. But yeah, the dodgy stuff like not really having a canon amount of time that the Year That Never Was took place in what with the dodgy conflicting implications can be pretty annoying...
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If Im not mistaken

I remember that in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang they mention that Jack has been gone for two months.
Loving Every Minute's picture

Great recap! I especially

Great recap! I especially loved

"Tosh screams, “You’re making it worse!” a line less about this specific circumstance, I think, and more a general commentary about Gwen’s overall impact on her life."

I was laughing so much. The only thing about this episode that really disappointed me was the lack of any explanation/attempt at continuity for when Tosh met the Doctor, which I had hoped might be mentioned, or explained away-- I find these things more annoying when they try to ignore them and pretend they aren't there rather than if they just explained in a unbelievable way, since my belief is well and truly suspended at this point anyhow...

I personally preferred the Victorian lesbian Torchwood to the 1918 Torchwood. I thought it was really great to see Jack's personality change and fluctuate from quite happy go lucky Jack to ruthless and brutal Jack, and as usual Gareth acted Ianto really really well as well, showing the many layers of a desperate man.

Not sure how you'll take to the finale though, will be a very interesting recap I'm sure...

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Temporal Paradox

I would have loved it if they could have estblished that Tosh was that Dr. Sato in London into cannon. At least I can understand why Tosh would have gone to London instead of Jack in the case of the Slitheen invasion. It would create a temporal paradox in the timeline for Jack to have met the Doctor at that point as the Doctor and Rose had not been to WWII London yet to meet up with his con-man self. But the back story of why Tosh had to be play the part of the medical doctor and go on that assignment instead of Owen could be interesting.

 

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sorry guys [very very tiny minor spoiler]

I can't believe I actually said that stuf about Tosh in London meeting the Doctor, I feel like such an idiot, since I have actually seen the finale. Like, two weeks ago. [Um, minor spoiler? But only about another spoiler, not really a spoiler itself. And I don't think it actually spoils anything. I need to get out of this rapidly deepening hole...] So, um, sorry. That was something I remember thinking at the time when I was watching Fragments, and I remembered when reading the recap, but yeah. Er, wait a week...

But it always has been canon, if dodgy canon, since I'm pretty damn sure we saw Tosh's face, not just a reference to her name.

Sorry again...

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I agree

with the above comments about Ianto's motivation being Lisa, and that the history wasn't too revisionist. He was going it all for Lisa. Then as to why he ended up as the Tea Boy. Jack didn't want someone from Torchwood London on his team in the first place, so he didn't give Ianto a 'real' Torchwood position. Jack didn't want him there at all, Ianto begged him, said he's do anything, with the whole I could be a butler speech. So Jack's concession was to give him this low end job, despite the fact that given he worked for Torchwood 1 he was over qualified.

Then after he was hired, Ianto had achieved his goal of getting into Torchwood to save Lisa, so his priority shifted from doing whatever it took to get into Torchwood, to doing everything possible to not be noticed. He didn't want to draw attention to himself because that could lead to people noticing what he was doing.

Then after the loss of Lisa, he was grieving. In "Greeks Bearing Gifts" its clear he's barely holding it together. So then the fact that he's reserved is because he's working very hard to put on a brave face and not project that he's in terrible pain. Pain Jack helps him get through. Jack is the one who brings him out of his grief, and his shell. He tries to make him feel like being part of the team by taking him along in "Countrycide".

Now, as I mentioned, Ianto is qualified for field work, because Torchwood 1 was pretty awesome(except for nearly destroying the world and being kind of evil ish). So Ianto is trained, but he was never a field agent, he was a researcher. So he didn't like being in danger, had never been in a situation like that before, and naturally freaked out a bit. Then there was the fact he's a bit battle warn, scars from surviving Canary Warf, and all that. He doesn't want to see people killed, or get killed.

The fact that he handles himself so well when he first meets Jack, can be attributed to the fact, he's trying to be whatever will get him hired. Look at me, I can kick Weevil butt, make coffee, and catch dinos. He's willing to do anything, and he doesn't care if he risks his life. He will do anything for Lisa because he loves her.

And about Jack.

Loved seeing his background. Because my biggest complaint with Torchwood is Captain Jack from Doctor Who is so much more fun, and then when we see him on Torchwood he's different. Which makes since given all he's gone through, but it was just great to see him as he was in Doctor Who, because this isn't that long after what happened in The Parting of the Ways. I also loved his comments about The Doctor.

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Jack needs to attend a leadership seminar

That's all well and good. But based on this episode Ianto was far and away the most qualifed of Jack's merry band of misfits for field work (with the possible exception of Suzie).

Tosh was a brilliant techie. Owen a talented doctor. But their backgrounds (and the fact that Jack apparently left them back at the Hub while Weevil and dinosaur hunting) makes it odd that they would become star field agents so quickly. I won't even go into the absurdity of Gwen's unexplained yet meteroic rise.

Side-lining Ianto because Jack was feeling pissy about being pressured into hiring him (and because he didn't fancy a quickie while the Pterodactyl was out of it) demonstrates an appalling tendency towards emotion-based management decisions. And he's critical of Yvonne? Didn't he once nearly contaminate the entire world with malfunctioning nanogenes while trying to run a con job? Maybe he was just annoyed because she never let him cop a feel of her bodacious bosom. I can only imagine what conference calls between those two were like.

As I said, it's not a surprise that despite a century of seniority Jack wasn't put in charge of T3 until there was nobody else left alive to take the job.

"You're making it worse!"

That one totally slipped by me! But it is so friggin' funny and true. Poor Tosh.

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One thing that has been spun

One thing that has been spun around the livejournal comms is that Jack is not a leader, but a follower. The way he is with the Doctor, and how he shares control with Gwen with little to no complaint........he is naturally a follower.
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I agree with this.  It

I agree with this.  It would explain Jack's character reversal compared to how he usually acts on Dr. Who.  It would also explain the ineptness of the team.  Jack didn't choose to be a leadr, it was pretty much thrust on him. 

I also agree with others who've said that there wasn't a lot or any revisionist history in Ianto's story.  His motivation was to get to Lisa, (I've surmised that Jack's people took her body out of Torchwood 1, where Ianto had her hidden, but he hid her so well that they didn't realize what or who she was.)  Ianto may have felt real attraction for Jack, but he would have done anything, flirting or more, in order to get into Torchwood.  And the two did flirt a little bit in the first episode, when Jack told Gwen that Ianto looks good in a suit, and Ianto said carefull, that could lead to sexual harrassment.

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Hmm, see, I interpreted it

Hmm, see, I interpreted it slightly different - I think the point was that he wasn't qualified to do anything really, hence he ended up as the office boy.  Okay he worked for Torchwood 1, but in admin, not alien arse-kicking, and he was an unexceptional student, meaning he has no special skills or areas of expertise, unlike Tosh and Owen (that this is an interesting twist given he's obviously a clever guy, not to mention that the criminal record is quite unexpected, is a whole other discussion).  So his qualifications pretty much amount to, knows about aliens.   Torchwood 1 employed over 800 people, and that must have included a fair number of administrators and general gophers of no particular note, so there's no reason Jack would be automatically interested in their ex-staff.  I'd love to know how Ianto got the job with TW1 in the first place, but given his unexceptional background, I'm going to go with job centre (the novel Trace Memory implies this too). 

This flashback also tells us Ianto hasn't been working at TW3 for that long before Gwen showed up, meaning he was still the newest employee then while Owen and Tosh have been there a few years by that point.  I'm sure Jack wouldn't have thrown them straight out into the field either, but let them develop and learn on the job.  It's just that's already happened with them by the time we meet them, but hasn't with Ianto, who is too preoccupied with doing his job as well and as inconspicuously as possible in order to keep Def Leppard Lisa safe (love it!) to be pushing himself forward.   As for why Gwen got to go out in the field straight away, she probably just shrieked until she got her own way.  Perhaps they were hoping she'd get eaten by something. 

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Ianto's Unexceptional Scholastics

This is actually another continuity burp, because it doesn't square with what we've seen of Ianto.

In They Keep Killing Suzie he is able to spontaneously recall exactly how many civilians Torchwood 3 had retconned. In Out of Time he was able to calculate instantly how much money Emma would have left after grabbing assorted candies off the store shelves to add ot her purchases. He generally appears to have perfect recall and be tremendously intelligent. He's also innovative (he was the only one to think of using the water tower as a cellular antenna in They Keep Killing Suzie). And he was able to manage the logistics of getting Lisa and that cyber conversion unit from London to Cardiff and install it in the Hub with only Lisa to talk him through the otherworld tech, but not being able to physically help.

Now it is true that sometimes brilliant students perform only moderately well in school because they don't care for the structure or get along with the teachers. But regardless it's obvious that Ianto's intelligence, memory and mathematical skills are exceptional.

Of course, it's not unreasonable to imagine that Torchwood 1 might modify their employees' records (especially very promising ones) so as to not draw attention to themselves (all the top students in the UK ending up in on place). Or else Ianto's just always been secretive and a little anti-social and thus did less well in school than he might.

As for Jack's leadership skills. I'll agree that he's a follower generally and that a large part of his bitchiness stems from being forced into a leadership role. He was apparently just an operative in the Time Agency before becoming a freelance temporal con artist. Plus he knows that it's best to follow the Doctor's lead.

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I'm sticking with twist

I'm sticking with twist rather than burp at this point, although maybe I'm attributing too much thought to TPTB.  Exceptional people can easily be unexceptional students for a variety of reasons.  It surprised me particularly not because Ianto's so obviously very clever, because clever people can easily be flaky about schoolwork, but because the Ianto we know is so methodical and organised.  That's why it was out of character for me.  Clever people may or may not do well at school, but organised people often do better just by virtue of managing to get their homework in in time while all the geniuses are busy worrying about existentialism and going off the rails. 

But I'm thinking maybe twist not burp purely because it was so jarringly out-of-character for Ianto to be a drifting underachiever with a criminal record.  It would almost seem like it would be easier to have given him the sort of intelligent straitlaced background fanon always imagined for him - prodigy recruited by Torchwood from school etc, rather than a trip to the job centre.  So I'm hoping it might be an indication the writers/producers actually have some more detailed backstory in mind to account for Ianto's development from unexceptional drifter into Mr Knows Everything.  After all, we saw a similarly big turn around in Owen's character - turning from a committed suit wearer into, well, Owen.

Ok, maybe I'm clutching at straws, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. 

Also, I want to know what he stole.    Porno?  Chocolate?  That belt?  That suit? 

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Maybe he stole?

A wedding dress?

Actually, you raise another really excellent point.  Torchwood One was much more tightly run than Jack's sideshow operation.  In fact, in Doctor Who we saw that they were so secret that even the Prime Minister wasn't supposed to know about them and didn't have a direct line of communication to them.

So it strikes that any such super-secret organization would not be likely to just randomly hire people off the street.  Just because Jack is stupid enough to do so doesn't mean that Yvonne would be.  Torchwood One was considerably more secretive and one would expect that they would only hire people that were carefully vetted and probably hand-picked.  Otherwise how would you maintain secrecy just pulling applicants on a lark.

Also, while they had a much larger employee base than Torchwood Three, which was only ever a branch office, they were not so large that they would have superfluous staff.  It would make sense that everyone working the operation met the strictest standards of qualifications and confidentiality.

So the backstory that Jack rattles off is rather peculiar.  It doesn't square with Yvonne's grandiose vision of Torchwood.  There either has to be a twist, or else the Torchwood writers really just don't care about continuity at all.  Granted there's some evidence it's the latter.

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Ianto

okay, this is my take fact 1) It has been established that Ianto has a phenominal memory

fact 2) Ianto worked in the admin dept of torchwood 1, where he had access to all the records of personell, and we saw that Captain Jacks went back quite a way's. We can assume that his sexual prefrencases were in there somewhere.

Fact 3) when Torchwood 3 fell, He managed to save Lisa and the equipment to keep her alive, this must have included a Torchwood computer?

Now my take on the Ianto meet with Capt. Jack.

He was using the computer to watch what Torchwood 3 was doing, and when he saw Capt. Jack was going out alone on a Weevil hunt, he put on his cruising clothes and went to meet him, I mean, that' what I'd wear to go cruising. He want's the job to get his lover Lisa in from the cold so to speak.

He was obviously bisexual, because of the way he responded to Capt. Jack, and I thenk he felt guilty about it, hence the look on his face when he walked away after getting the job.

I generraly miss stuff that is too subtle for me, but that's my take, what do you think of it?

Dennis

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I love this show...

Isn't it fun how American and British English sometimes sound like totally different languages?

I live in the US and my youngest brother (15) and his friends have been using "Snap!" as a general exclamation for months. I thought they were referring to a trap 'snapping' shut because they tend to use it most often when they're playing pranks or otherwise torturing each other (as teenage boys tend to do). Or they might have picked it up from some of the UK transplants here - the oil/energy companies tend to move groups of employees around at a time and it isn't unusual for 4 or 5 families to get transferred together to our area. Who knows, maybe in a few year it'll be common usage here as well.

I know a lot of fans have been grumbling about the disparity between the Jack/Ianto relationship and the Gwen/Rhys relationship. I have a theory one reason that we see the other couples in bed but not Jack and Ianto: There's no bed for them to use. We have never seen Ianto's apartment (flat, for you Brits). He's the only Torchwood member whose home space remains a mystery. Jack lives in a hole in the ground. Even if they did write a scene w/ Jack and Ianto in bed, I bet the camermen would walk out. Can you imagine trying to get a camera rig into the little bunker area where they've put Jack's bed? I'm sure they blew their set building money on Toshiko's and Owen's places because they actually had plot to film there. Poor Ianto remains homeless. Maybe next year we'll finally get to see where he lives - I refuse to believe he lives at the Hub - only Jack is that crazy.

Also, was I the only one who suspected that the reason that Ianto knew where to find the pterodactyl was because he put it there? The chocolate bar bait seemed pretty convenient - unless he carries that with him all the time?

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Campion's picture

yeah

yeah, Ianto says something like "He knows me" as if its been there a while already and they have spent some time together.

Have not watched My Name Is...so missed that take on snap...remember the card game now that its been mentioned...somehow I just knew what Owen meant on a subconscious level...I think some Canadians will pick up on British english better than Americans will..either that or I've just watched too much TV from the UK.

 

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Ianto's main motivation

I've been reading these recaps the whole season and I've been loving every second of it! You're doing a really great job! As far as the whole lack of acknowledgment of anything between Jack and Ianto during the first half of the first season, I thought that kinda stemmed from the last few seconds of Ianto's the flash back where he seems to crying/extremely emotional while walking away from Jack. Ianto feels guilty about his attraction to Jack and decides that Lisa really is his first priority. Because of his love for Lisa he cools it down with Jack. Only after she dies do we really get any sort of thing between them. Ianto's walking away doesn't seem to have been addressed yet, so I thought I'd bring that up.
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Great recap

for a great episode. About Ianto and his motivations. I dont think this episode renders him inexplicable. What do you do if you dont want anybody to know youve got cybergirlfriend in the basement? You lay low and dont call attention to yourself.

Friday I stumbled upon a Cyberwoman rerun just as Jack was saying to Ianto at gunpoint (and Im paraphrasing here): "You have deliberately chosen not to share yourself with us".

That is exactly what he did and he did it for Lisa. With Lisa gone and after the grieving period, of a situation that he already knew it was imposible, we began to see the real Ianto.

BTW, some of you are giving way too much significance to the Ianto/Jack relationship too early. Hes not crying out of guilt for feeling something for Jack, he is just happy he got what he needed for Lisa. That is it. Whatever developed between Jack and Ianto happened after Lisa was gone.

There is the influence of the slash/fic for ya.

On the others, it was nice to see Tosh as a tough girl, but we always knew that and for Owen to seem human, too bad we had to wait till he was dead. 

Cant wait to comment on next weeks episode. 

 

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I agree with pretty much

I agree with pretty much all of this. I too don't think there was much of a Janto before mid-series 1 and he was deliberately keeping himself out of things. Just the minimum amount of response to the boss's flirting, and do your job impeccably, and you'll get by without drawing suspicion.

Others have commented that Ianto should have been the most qualified field agent but I disagree. At least not in Jack's mind. Even if he was, I don't think he would have played up any quality that would put him in the line of fire and risk dying, leaving Lisa. But my main point comes down to timelines, which Torchwood isn't the best at but all the same... Owen, Tosh and Suzie would all have been working at Torchwood under Jack for at least a year, probably more, by the time Ianto joined. Jack trained them for the field, Jack knows what they're like in the field, Jack gave them special gropey!weapons practice for the field, Jack doesn't need any new team members at thepoint in time. Ianto's resume says "researcher", not "field operative". So if I were Jack, I'd trust the people I'd groomed to do the specific job I want them to do rather then the new young guy from that other place. (As an aside, I could picture Ianto turning up for his first day and Jack telling him to make coffee and clean up the board room. "You said you wanted to be a butler. *cheekyshinny!teethgrin* ")

For a moment, Ianto reminded me of that guy from that forgettable episode Random Shoes. Eugene, I think his name was. No, Torchwood does not hire fanboys and give them random tours of the Hub. You have to be a threat to future of humanity before we do that. Which would explain why Ianto eventually did get the job and Eugene didn't...

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Hmm

"For a moment, Ianto reminded me of that guy from that forgettable episode Random Shoes. Eugene, I think his name was. No, Torchwood does not hire fanboys and give them random tours of the Hub. You have to be a threat to future of humanity before we do that. Which would explain why Ianto eventually did get the job and Eugene didn't... "

 You're contradicting yourself.

As for the epsiode, I think it might have been the best of the whole season. I love Tosh, and the scene when Jack comes to save her is heartbreaking. Tosh has always been my favorite, so it was nice to see some background on her character.

 I'm scared to watch next week. I shouldn't read stuff online.

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The problem with Ianto's backstory

But you see therein lay the problem.

This new Ianto backstory establishes him early on as a competent field agent before jack recruited him. His motivation (Lisa) is irrelevant because at the time Jack didn't know about it.

To me, this would seem suspicious, because Series 1 Ianto was a wallflower hanging around the Hub religiously. This made sense before now, because we knew that he was guarding his girlfriend squirrelled away in the sub-basement.

But it doesn't explain the behavior of Jack and the others towards him. Nor his apparent discomfort at field work in Countrycide among other things. After all, at that point Lisa was dead, but Ianto was still affecting an awkward air about doing field work. The sudden reversal to a young and inexperienced persona would have seemed fishy to me.

In principle I would have expected Jack to utilize Ianto in the field more in Series 1 if this was how they first met. Ianto comes across as being as good, if not better, in the field than Tosh, Owen or Gwen. Indeed, if I were Jack I would have (mis)interpreted Ianto's desperate desire for another Torchwood job as being based on an urge to remain involved in the alien-hunting game.

If anything, I think that this episode is slash-influenced rather than our interpretation of it. A lot of fanfic from back in Series 1 days painted Ianto as a closet super-spy despite the fact that this was not reflected onscreen. Now suddenly we see that this was apparently true.

As for the chemistry, I'm not as surprised there. Jack was flirting from the very beginning of Series 1. It just wasn't until Lisa was dead that Ianto began to reciprocate. It's just interesting from an acting point of view because John and Gareth were playing their characters the way they have this series, as two guys with a thing going on, rather than the way they played them last series.

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Montages

I think it would have been really funny to have a similar montage of computers advancing through the years, from the Commodore 64 to the iMac, but I guess time limits prevented that.

 

Yes! I was very disappointed that it was just the one computer. *is geek*

Dan's picture

Great recap of a fantastic

Great recap of a fantastic episode! I'm quite confused by the assumption that Ianto displayed any great degree of competence in the field though. He hit a Weevil with a stick..Quickly lost control of the situation and needed Jack to pull it off him. He made coffee. And he found a pteradactyl in a warehouse. Where's the field expertise? He was a researcher in T1. He didn't have any experience in the field, and while he wasn't incompetent, he didn't do anything impressive. His reaction in Countrycide still makes perfect sense and I don't see how anything in this episode changes that. Owen and Tosh were at Torchwood longer than he was, therefore they did have more field experience than him. For once I think the writers did a good job of creating a plausible history for a character they didn't bother with during the first half of season 1.
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DEFINITELY botoxed beauty

From today's IMDB: Barrowman's Botox Advice:

British actor John Barrowman is a big fan of using Botox injections to preserve his good looks - but urges other thespians not to have too many of the treatments. The 41-year-old Torchwood star admits he regularly receives the wrinkle-smoothing treatment as he is determined to slow down the ageing process. The injections - which freeze facial muscles - have been blamed for giving devotees a rigid, expressionless look. But Barrowman insists actors can still opt for Botox, but only in limited doses. He says, "I have Botox. The key is not to do the forehead. Men need forehead lines and doing the forehead makes you look like Nicole Kidman. Just do it around the eyes. I can still smile and look expressive. If something makes you feel good then you should do it."

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Dennis's picture

John

For the last time, John is an American actor

He had to go to the Uk to get the Roles he deserved, But he is AMERICAN!!!!!Dennis

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Barrowman

Technically, John is Scottish.  He was born near Glasgow and lived his early childhood there.  Thus he is a UK citizen by birth and a US one by immigration.

I won't dispute that he does better as an openly gay actor in the UK then here.  But a lot of his career has been on stage rather than movies or TV and I think that he could have done that in either place.

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Also, he's stated many many

Also, he's stated many many times that he considers himself Scottish, not American. And when he's with his family, he reverts to his Scottish accent.
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Barrowman's a Brit, Gwen's a drunk

Also, I think that the bulk of his career, starting in his early 20's, has been in the UK. And of course he has lived with his partner there for something like 15 years. So between his place of birth, legal citizenship, career and relationship I think it's safe to say he's a not really "American" per se.

I was just taking a closer look at the screen cap on page 1 of Rhys and Gwen passed out in bed and I just realized that there are beer bottles on virtually every surface in their bedroom! What is this, university? No wonder they were sprawled out insensate. Talk about going on a bender!

Jack better have Ianto look into rehab programs for them, especially after what's coming up...

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Woodie sightings on 'Who'

I was also kind of disappointed that they did not incorporate Naoki Mori's appearance in the "Aliens In London" episode of Doctor Who as part of Tosh's "fragment". I understand why they want to keep DW and TW as separate as possible, but I really like it when they weave bits of the two shows together. But it would be a slippery slope, indeed, because we also had Martha Jones's look-alike cousin Adeola working in Torchwood 1 when Ianto and Lisa were there. Not having Ianto react to Martha in her recent visit to Torchwood means (to me, anyway) that they aren't going to use these tie-ins with Doctor Who for anyone's stories except Jack.
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There were like 800

There were like 800 employees at Torchwood 1. It's possible that Ianto didn't know Adeola. I don't even know everyone in my classes, even if there are only like 100 students, so I don't think its impossible to assume that they might not have known each ther, Torchwood 1 was big, they might have worked in different areas. Or even if they knew each other as passing aquaintances, Ianto might not have been close enough with Adeola to remember her.
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did it again

Awesome recap!

Missed the scene of Rhys & Gwen - on 2nd thought. no i didn't.

Owen is out in the field! stupid decision #? anyways... onwards.

Just hearing the word "snap" when all else was quiet, I actually took it to mean the sound of fingers snapping. how literal is that, heh?
a snap < a boom < a bomb/explosion

Didn't notice Jack's new outfit until he had been standing a bit. the cape matches his overcoat's color.
Loved that snarky Jack! making the best of any bad situation. :)

lalahop 1: why are they asking Jack "where's the Doctor" when they have months of [albeit drunken] remarks by Jack that indicate he has no idea?
new word: [torch]ure. translation: unecessary to the tale. I could've done without it.

lalahop 2: Jack needs to earn money?!? Hello, writers, he's a former con-man. He's only a few years [months?] out of that life. Why would earning $ be difficult? Not used to low tech, maybe?
Torchwood's looking for the Doctor. It would be a nice trade-off if they do Jack's work (Dr search) while he does theirs.
and 'course since the shows mainly about Aliens Among Us [I think]- the return of the Blowfish. making this 3 aliens for the entire season. a record. yeah. let's rename the fish (any fish/whale): Token a la South Park.

semi-lahop: same hand writing/typing the reports. supposedly suggest Jack hard at work through the ages
never liked that as a time-passing filler.
the last report: Jack went AWOL to look for the Doctor.
and here I thought they wanted to find the Doctor. So looks like they're (rightly) nervous Jack would completely disappear on them; and tell the Doctor about them, too.

Quick look at pendant Alex was holding: I though fob-watch (the Doctor's) but 2nd look - it was too small (Tarot Girl's?)

re Jack, follower or leader: Don't see Jack as a Follower seeing as he earned the rank of Captain (at some point) and we saw him on the Troop train in "Small Wonder"(?) ep and he talked about his men. However there must be a difference between leading military men and civilians, since military people don't talk back to the boss or disobey orders as often as the Torchwood Team does, when they feel justified in doing so.

Toshika (like it!): If she's that clever, then it's a good thing we didn't know that 1st ep. I'd have been suspicious of Susie using the Glove, making it work, {at least, i hope I would've been :}
Even with a wiped clean record, would she have gone to London for UNIT's alien autopsy?
UNIT: my, how the times have changed them and not for the better.
I'm guessing the Medical/Scientific set doesn't interact much with the Military the way it did in the early Doctor days.

Ianto: he did a lot for the love of Lisa; even set a "trap" (of sorts) for Jack.
Jack overlooked Ianto's "he knows me". I like to read this as: Jack had decided to hire him after hearing the word "pterydactyl" (spelling?).
Looked like Gareth got to raid his own closet for this flashback. I swear I saw him wearing that chain (calling it a necklace seems a bit too girly) in an interview or two somewhere. (loooking goood :)

Owen - in a suit. in a suit and engaged. in a suit, engaged, and unretconned. ...
and he came out of the explosion as he came in - intact. miracle. he was awfully close to that bomb.
Why didn't we get to see people running away from the bomb? Torchwood reflexes/intelligence -soo not impressed.

Loved how they got Rhys to be included in this.
Hated that Jack just accepted that the guy John showed him was Grey. Why not asked for a DNA test? or some form of confirmation? let's just except psychopath's word for it.

next week: shades of grey and spike. yeah! actually looking forward to a future episode, hasn't happened for awhile.

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and other things...

forgot:
the Tarot cards used - found them suspiciously modern. Didn't think they had such sophisticated, glossy and color printing in Victorian times. so where's she get 'em?

And how did Jack's Torchwood 3, based in Cardiff, get someone in to see the Space Pig in London? was it beneath Torchwood 1, London, dignity or something? They couldn't be bothered? Didn't know?

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Maybe UNIT likes Jack more?

Maybe UNIT likes Jack more? UNIT seemed to be all over the Space Pig thing, maybe they didn't want to allow Torchwood involvement. So whoever was in charge of the UNIT opporation there clashed with Yvonne, and Torchwood 1, and the compromise was to send in someone from a separate Torchwood team?
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I'll agree with that

I'll agree with that especially since I think Yvonne would've clashed with a lot of people.

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Jack's Rank

Well, we don't actually know that Jack really earned the rank of "Captain" in any military service. Remember that the title and name "Captain Jack Harkness" really belonged to that USAF guy seconded to the RAF during WWII. Prior to that point in his personal timeline Jack was a con artist and former Time Agent. Based on Jack's remarks he was an operative, not a leader in the Time Agency. We do know he had previously fought in a war against aliens in the 51st Century but we don't know what rank he reached, or if they used the same ranks by then.

In his subsequent (post-Doctor) life he used the "Captain" as a matter of habit and being a con artist may have been able to just keep using it whenever he inserted himself into a new identity. I sincerely doubt he enlisted as a grunt.  He may have been able to wiggle into a leadership position by virtue of role-playing.  Much the way he inserted himself into the RAF as an officer using the real Captain Jack Harkness's identity.

His leadership skills are pretty good but his managerial skills are atrocious.  He's moody, makes decisions based on emotions, hires people that require significant handling and then fails to handle them, applys policies unevenly and is easily diverted.

This would explain why he never led Torchwood Three for more than 100 years, until Alex killed himself and his team.

As for all the other plot holes, well, Torchwood is full of them. 

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Jack's Leadership of Torchwood

Psionycx I'm going to have to disagree with you about why Jack did not get leadership of Torchwood until Alex blew his brains out. It has nothing to do with his leadership skill set, but is a matter of trusting him. As this episode reminds us, Torchwood was set up because the Doctor was seen as a danger to the empire. As an associate of the Doctor Jack would not be fully trusted. I went totally anal and paused the download I watched to read what was written on the computer screen during that aging of filling systems bit. Here's what it said : "Torchwood field agent Captain Jack Harkness was once again found to be operating covertly and out of Torchwood jurisdiction to set in place enquiries to find the target known as "the Doctor"" Torchwood simply could not trust him with command. Jack had his own agenda, an agenda that involved Torchwood's primary purpose for being -- the Doctor-- who Torchwood would consider a threat if not the enemy and Jack had repeatedly and covertly tried to advance this agenda of his.

Are you going to hand over command of Torchwood to someone who might be working for your enemy and who has their own unknown agenda ? ? 

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The biggest Torchwood continuity burp

Actually, you just drew attention to one of the biggest belches in Torchwood continuity.

During the 60's and 70's the Doctor was stuck hanging around with UNIT when the Time Lords imprisoned him on Earth.  There is boundless fan speculation on that one, since he wouldn't have been very hard to locate during that time, although he would have been very difficult for a Torchwood agent to approach since UNIT considers him a valuable ally. 

Possible options are that Jack didn't want to risk dealing with an earlier incarnation of the Doctor.  However, it's unclear if he would have known that these were earlier incarnations.  It's never been said how much he really knows about Time Lords or the Doctor's personal history.  He did not witness the Doctor's regeneration after the events in The Parting of Ways

However, it's the Aliens of London (which also contains the famous Toshiko "space pig" incident) that burps things further because apparently there's a general lookout for the Doctor, who is in demand for help in any alien threat situation.  He can't have been that hard to find given Torchwood's resources, although again, getting at him without UNIT getting in the way may have been an issue.

Jack, for his part, clearly wasn't worried about personal timeline issues.  When the TARDIS parked above the Hub for a less than a minute in Utopia Jack didn't hesitate to grab onto it without troubling himself as to whether it was a past or future Doctor inside.

This is one piece of the Torchwood writing that has always bugged me, and a lot of people.  And Tarot card reading creepy girls don't make it any better if you've been watching Doctor Who for a while.

Anyway, I think Jack's a little chaotic to be a leader in the true sense.  This is why he's had problems managing the team.  Like the revolt last series.  His control was based on his ability to create the impression that he always knew what to do (even if he didn't).  But when visibly stumped it didn't take much trickery from Bilis to set that bunch of loose cannons off.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jack's a great action hero.  But he's only a so-so leader.  And I think the writers intend it that way, hence his need for Gwen and Ianto to play conscience for him all the time.

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UNIT Torchwood Feud ?

Yeah, I too wondered how Jack would know enough not to link up with Doctors Two, Three and Four while they were the Scientific Advisor to UNIT. However, there is an easy enough fix of having Doctor Ten leave a message for Torchwood Agent Jack somewhere along the timeline of the past in a future episode (headache yet?). Huge plot hole potential of Jack warning the Time Lords about their destruction in the future. Its one of those best not think about these things too hard events that come about with the rewriting of Who universes' past. The best, and weakest, way that I can make it work for me is to think that there was some sort of jurisdictional feud between the United Nations and the UK and that UNIT won and would not allow Torchwood any access to the Doctor. Perhaps Torchwood was monitoring the Doctor, saw that he was doing good for the world and decided to leave him alone. Here's a thought, Sergeant Benton was really a double agent covertly working for Torchwood to spy on the Doctor while he posed as a UNIT soldier ? While that could explain away why Torchwood and the past Doctors never caught up with each other, the reasons for Jack not doing so remain a mystery for now....best to call it as Steven does, a lalalala hop hop moment and move on. However, I would love to see something where we got the poor Brigadier's thoughts/opinions of Torchwood. 

The problem that I have is with Jack being a Torchwood agent for the last hundred years. We are starting to get so many Jack timelines that could become tangled up. Look at WWII 1941 : You have ConMan Jack (former Time Agent Jack, so who knows how many other times he had already travelled to 20th century earth) trying to pull off that scam and releasing those nanogenes. You have (briefly) Torchwood Leader Jack meeting the real Captain Jack Harkness at a dance hall. Now we add Torchwood Agent Jack to the mix. As Jack said at the end fo Kiss Kiss Bang Bang when time got reset back, "great! now we have to spend the rest of the day avoiding ourselves" (paraphrasing). So what did Torchwood Agent Jack do during the war while he would be busy avoiding a) his con man self and b) his namesake ?

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Presumably Jack...

Presumably Jack either spent much of WWII elsewhere or he just avoided Real Jack's probable haunts in Cardiff, which should have been easy since as a Torchwood agent he wouldn't have been obliged to do military service of the regular sort.  His con man self was in London, and only briefly.  Maybe he spent the war elsewhere the second time around?

Although, I've always wondered at the whole deal in The Doctor Dances.  You know, if he had a personal time travel device on his wrist why didn't he use it to escape his ship before the bomb went off?  Why did he need to be rescued by the Doctor?  And what's with those Vortex Manipulators anyway?  They seem a little advanced for human tech.  No matter how far we've gone into the future it never seems that human technology approaches that of the Time Lords.  I wonder if the Time Agency will ever be explained better?

Tensions between UNIT and Torchwood are almost a given, considering UNIT"s global mandate and Torchwood's more nationalistic one.  I would suspect that Torchwood tried to keep a low profile, as stockpiles of alien technology could compromise UK adherence to any number of arms treaties I'm sure.

There's no question in my mind that the Brigadier would have gone right after anyone who messed with the Doctor, and I suspect that UNIT continues to favor him, as implied by the "referral" that Martha got from an "inpeccable source". 

However, no satisfactory explanation for how Jack managed to miss the Doctor given his propensity for visiting 20th century England repeatedly in every single one of his incarnations (except perhaps that horrid TV movie one).  Tarot girl's "prophecy" is almost funny when you think how much time the Doctor spent in the UK while Jack was hanging about in the Hub.

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"You know, if he had a

"You know, if he had a personal time travel device on his wrist why didn't he use it to escape his ship before the bomb went off? Why did he need to be rescued by the Doctor? And what's with those Vortex Manipulators anyway?"

Maybe the wrist device wouldn't work on the ship for some reason...'course now that I am thinking about it he could have just transported off or doesn't that work when the ship's traveling?!?
'kay head hurts now so can I stop thinkng? :-}

Can an audience member fire whoever's in charge of continuity? 'Cause I'd love to right now.

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