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Ask the Flying Monkey! (March 18, 2009)

Q: Why don’t more people like The Broken Hearts Club? And why does it thank Dawson’s Creek in the credits at the end? Gilmore, Australia

The cast of The Broken Hearts Club

A: The Monkey isn’t sure what you mean: lots of people like that film. In fact, it came in ninth in AfterElton.com’s most recent reader poll of the 50 Greatest Gay Movies.

That said, I personally wasn’t crazy about it. I wanted to like it, but ultimately found it a little too sentimental.

Why does it thank Dawson’s Creek at the end? It was the The Broken Hearts Club script that got writer/director Greg Berlanti hired as a producer on that show.

“Kevin Williamson read [The Broken Hearts Club script] and said, ‘What other ideas do you have?,’” Berlanti told AfterElton.com, “And I had a movie idea, and we took that around and we sold that. And then in the midst of writing that film for him, he showed me a pilot for a series called Dawson's Creek,and so I watched the pilot and he asked if me if I wanted to work on it.”

It was while working on Dawson’s Creek that Berlanti finally got the okay to make The Broken Hearts Club. The cast and crew must have been accommodating — so much so that they must have merited that special thanks at the end of the film.

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Madeleine's picture

It's funny that you talked

It's funny that you talked about Mr. G this week, as I happen to be in an amateur remake of his musical about a girl overdosing on ecstacy. I get to play one of the school kids/dancers. As for Dan Levy, as far as I know he isn't out publicly, and there are rumours he is dating his female Aftershow co-host Jessi Cruickshank.

You too can be saved by the blog! www.savedbytheblog14.blogspot.com 

I may be straight, but I'm not narrow.

Lee's picture

Broken Hearts Club - commentary

If you listen to the commentary track on the DVD for this movie you will hear a lot of reasons why Berlanti thanked the show in the credits. Here's a hint: Kevin Williamson does the commentary with Greg.
LgH's picture

IMDB...

Actor Jason Dottley's IMDB bio lists 'Spouse' as Del Shores. However Del's page does not mention Jason at all. So I suspect the presence or absence of 'Spouse' info is purely dependent on whoever has provided info on any given page. If someone with IMDBPro access wants to add 'Spouse' to Wanda's or George's bios I don't think there will be any objection from IMDB mangagement.

zanefan's picture

Yeah, I always got the

Yeah, I always got the impression that IMDB was pretty much open-ended.  Meaning, if Wanda or George wanted their spouses listed, they could do so... So maybe you'd have better luck asking THEM than IMDB.

 

Jamie's picture

Wanda Sykes Advocate Interview

I read the interview The Advocate did with Wanda Sykes.  She reluctantly gave the first name of her wife in the interview, and that was just so they could refer to her as something other than a pronoun.  Wanda said that she respects her wife's privacy, so I doubt it's something she'd have listed on her IMDB page...
afhickman's picture

Clothes make the man

afhickman

When I was a kid, I was an avid Archie comix fan. I always had my doubts about Reggie, but there's no way Jughead could be gay. One issue paid a visit to Jughead's bedroom. When he opened his closet, it was revealed that he had a dozen outfits--but all were duplicates of the one he had on (dark slacks, blue turtleneck, etc). Jughead appears to have become more fashion-conscience, perhaps more meterosexual, in recent years, but he can't live down his fashion-challenged past.

"The mountain has wings."

db's picture

Reggie

I always had a little crush on Reggie--despite (or maybe because) of the fact he was evil.  I always liked him in a tuxedo.
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Mister 2's picture

a story I skimmed through some years back

had Jughead dating a girl who ran a food cart over the summer. Betty(?) expresses concern that he'll dump her when school begins. So this girl ends up getting a new food-related job in order to keep the relationship going. I'm sorry, but it's worse if Jughead is straight and only staying with this girl because she's feeding him inventory.

Archie comics aren't ahead of the curve on diversity, having brought in token add-ons over the years. So expect backpedalling towards bisexuality, a total retcon or brand-new token character when gay-inclusion happens.

Jay's picture

Quote:Sometimes folks

Quote:
Sometimes folks accuse us here of taking things “too seriously” and complaining too much. But you know that expression about well-behaved women never changing history? The GLBT folks who don’t take anything very seriously — well, they’re never the ones who change anything either.

I disagree. Emailing someone about their policy when it comes to referring to straight partners but not gay partners is not being too serious or complaining too much. It's a fair comment and I agree with things like that. But accusing people of homophobia, or making something out to be homophobic when it is not is something very different. It has the power to harm the gay cause.

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db's picture

Seriously, though...

I think the problem is with the people who--even when you just e-mail and inquire about a policy--say "lighten up, why take it so seriously..."  I think we gay people tend to let too much roll off our backs because we want to get along.  We want to appear cool and not too uptight, which is one of the reason's "that's so gay" has become such a common insult.

We don't need to go haywire over everything, but we need to question things more.  But to some people--even asking the question is getting too serious and they're the ones who always seem to say "lighten up dude."

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zanefan's picture

Well, speaking as one of

Well, speaking as one of the throng that often encourage the AE staff to "lighten up" I can say this is NOT one of those situations.  It's a fair question, although as I stated up above, I think it's just a matter of whom is entering the information rather than any sort of discrimination or conspiracy.

That said, the fact that you felt the need to compare yourself to history-changing women is just a TAD melodramatic, so... Lighten up! :-)

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db's picture

Because.....

gay issues aren't as important as women's issues?  I get tired of people telling others to "lighten up".  Why not just say "go back in the closet and don't make waves?"  No one here is claiming there's discrimination or conspiracy but if IMDB writes back "because gay relationships are inferior to straight marriages" and someone goes haywire will you still tell them to "lighten up?"  We gay people "lighten up" too much, we let people insult and demean us over and over but because we want to be "nice gays" no one takes us seriously.  There's no bite behind our bark because we're always "lightening up".  I want us all to darken up sometimes.  I want us to give a good "fuck you" to people if the situation warrants it.  I know it's uncomfortable sometimes but the notion that people being unreasonable hurts the movement is a notion that I don't think holds up historically.
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zanefan's picture

And.......that makes my

And.......that makes my point.

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db's picture

Not taking things seriously.

I guess I'm not sure what your point is.  That we shouldn't take anything seriously?  Sad point to make.

The fact is that ALL of the strides we and any other group made are made by people who don't just let things go.  Whether it's getting homosexuality sticken from the list of mental diseases, getting the sodomy laws struck down, stopping police harrassment, marriage in many countries of the world and Massachusetts and when we get the right to marry in the rest of the country it will be because some people insisted on their rights.  You can go ahead, sit back, tell peope to let things slide, have a "whatever" attitude and watch how much you get accomplished while you coast on the work of others.  Whatever point you think I proved is meaningless to me.  I go on thanking those who fought the fight before us and the ones who will fight it when we can't anymore. 

So, go ahead, don't do anything and criticize those who do--and don't be surprsed when nothing gets done.

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zanefan's picture

My point is, and was, that

My point is, and was, that not everything is a battle.

You read quite a bit into my few statements.  Somehow, me playfully jabbing the Monkey about his statement resulted in you knowing all about me.  You went into attack mode and decided that I think everyone should be laid back and not give a flying fig about anything...

Which, if you slowed your roll a bit and, yes, lightened up a bit, you'd know is about the furthest thing from the truth.  And, if you read my statement again, you'll see I actually *agreed* with Monkey on the importance of looking into this issue, even if I suspect it's not going to turn out to be anything bad.

So, yes, you've proven my point.  Being reactionary and blowing small things out of proportion leads to a breakdown in civil conversation.

 

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db's picture

???

I don't believe I ever claimed to know all about you.  And I don't think my disagreeing with you means civil conversation has broken down.  But, I do think that from the beginning of time there have been people telling people to "lighten up" when they try to make a difference, and I'm glad those people ignored them.
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Glendora_Pomona's picture

Cross over to the dark side

So this is what it took to get me to register at AfterElton. 

I gotta go with db on this issue.  I think if there anything gay men DON'T need to do it's lighten up.  When you consider how hard it is to get any pro-gay laws passed, how quickly the prop 8 demonstrations petered out here in CA, and that some outrageously high number of gay men didn't even bother to register to vote in the last election (yet we all seemed to blame the African Americans).  I don't think gay men taking things too seriously is a problem.

It's ironic I've come to this point because when I first came out and saw all those Act-Up and Queer Nation people protesting  I was always "why are they so angry?"  But then the CA populace that was supposed to be so liberal voted to make gay marriage illegal.  That was one of the first awakenings to me back in 2002.

I know these squeaky wheels can be tiresome sometimes, but thank Isis they are doing it because most of us wont.  If only the first time some jack-ass teen-ager said "that's so gay" there had been some angry queen there telling him to clam up maybe not "gay" wouldn't be a synonym with "stupid".

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RE: Brothers of the Head

The actors who play the twins in Brothers of the Head are Luke and Harry Treadaway. I'd assume that they have no issues with the kissing scene, as they are currently appearing in a play called Over There, in which they lay naked together and kiss, and they don't seem to have any issues there either.

As for their sexual orientation, I don't know anything about Luke, but Harry has a girlfriend, playwrite Polly Stenham. Also, the other guy that Luke's character Barry kisses in BotH is Bryan Dick, aka Adam from Torchwood.

woodroad34's picture

IMDB

So I went over to IMDB to check out the "spousal" controversy. Oddly, even though they don't actually mention spouses of gay entertainers, they do have a section called "news desk" that links back to Ask The Flying Monkey, where anyone could find out about said spouses.
zanefan's picture

As LgH mentioned above,

As LgH mentioned above, Jason Dottley's spouse, Del Shores, IS listed, so clearly it's not an across-the-board policy, but rather the choice of whomever is entering the information on behalf of the actor.
joeyhegele's picture

Broken Hearts Club

Beyond just Kevin Williamson, the connection between The Broken Hearts Club and Dawson's Creek includes a cameo by Kerr Smith as a gay "catcher" who gets a date from Dean Cain.

Wheeler's picture

Dan Levy

I'll be interested to know if Dan Levy responds. He's someone I just naturally assumed was gay, but then I noticed that, while his female co-host is always talking about men she's attracted to, he seems to actively skirt the topic of who or what he's attracted to. He hosts a trashy youth-oriented late-night talk show in Canada - it ought to be the easiest job in the world to 'come out' at if he is indeed gay.I hope he's not playing the 'I want to keep my private life private' game. If he's in a relationship, fine, keep it out of the papers (though he is on a show that trawls through tabloid trash dishing the dirt on other people's break-ups and make-ups), but if you're in the public eye and keeping your sexuality a secret, the only word for that is 'shame', and no-one should be ashamed of their homosexuality.
db's picture

Dan Levy

I don't know if he's gay or not, but he is adorable.
Brenda647's picture

And....

looking at picture, I knew who his dad was before I read the blog.  Wow!! Talk about family resemblence.

Peace

Bountiful's picture

soap stories

I really liked Luke and Noah's murder mystery story. There were silly, unrealistic aspects to it, but there are silly, unrealistic aspects to all of ATWT. Down the line, it would be interesting to see some sort of jealousy/love triangle story, but I like it when soaps have drama outside of love triangles, because it adds some depth. The way to go for gay couples if there is to be romantic conflict, is to introduce another character organically as part of some other plot line (such as a murder mystery), and then develop a love triangle. That way it doesn't seem contrived or "obvious".
step45's picture

Archie Comic

There was a play in NYC a few years ago, "Golden Age" by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa. Though the writer could not use the actual names, the characters were definitely based on the Archie gang, years later and with gay content. I don't know if it's published, but look for a production of it.  I enjoyed it very much.
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Archie

I always liked Reggie, too. In fact, I always got a closet-case bully "vibe" from the weird relationship between Reggie and Moose, who seemed more interested in monitoring Reggie than in Midge. (For those struggling to remember, Moose was the meathead who always beat up Reggie for supposedly looking at his girlfriend Midge.)