Ask the Flying Monkey! (June 29, 2009)Q: Oh great and powerful Monkey, what can you tell me about the adorable Pepon Nieto and Carlos Fuentes from the hilarious Spanish movie Chuecatown? I’ve googled myself silly, but most of the results are in Spanish of which I have a woefully small understanding. I saw the movie at our local pride Film Festival and, along with the rest of the guys in the audience, laughed myself silly. – Ralph, Christchurch, NZ A: Like you, the Flying Monkey does not speak Spanish. But the movie, which is a black comedy about a developer who is murdering little old ladies so he can sell their apartments to rich gay couples, sounds charming enough to give it a plug. Better yet, the main characters are something pretty rare in gay cinema: bears.
Pepon Nieto (left) and Carlos Fuentes in Chuecatown Q: I just watched a trailer for a Brazilian film entitled, Do Começo Ao Fim (From Beginning To End), directed by [Aluisio] Abranches. In no uncertain terms, it's about an intense relationship between two brothers that eventually develops into incest. Admittedly, I'm pretty averse to stories dealing with this subject matter. However, this film does seem like it's trying to tackle it in an honest, and maybe even insightful, way. I was just wondering if you had any more information about this film (e.g. a release date?), and your overall thoughts on films about homosexual incest and the ramifications it has on the gay community at large? -- Ethan
Rafael Cardoso (top) and João Gabriel Vasconcellos in A: I’m of mixed mind. I strongly support the right of artists to explore and express whatever ideas and/or vision they see fit. Art is how societies change and evolve, and because of that, there can’t be any topics in art that are “off-limits” to artists. That said, I also know that one sure way to get attention for your work as an artist is to pick deliberately provocative subjects. (Hey, if you’re Madonna, you can even parlay it into a 30-year career!) Is the movie a genuinely thoughtful exploration of a very touchy subject – or a crass way to get attention for the filmmaker? It’s hard to tell from the trailer – and either way, I would oppose censoring the film. Still, I can’t say it’ll be very high on my Netflix queue. The movie has a Brazilian release date of August 28th, but doesn’t yet have a U.S. one (and I suspect it never will have one, at least not in theaters). The trailer for Do Começo Ao Fim (From Beginning To
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Thank you, oh great Monkey!
From Beginning to End
Watch this clip!
Music Video from Do Começo Ao Fim (From Beginning To End) Very hot and sexy ever!(Remind me of shelter's MV)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Zmn-17imw
Forget about brothers thing and just enjoy!
That trailer
That trailer was way too explicit. I understand selling sex, but come on. The game did look cool though ... hopefully someone I know buys it so I can mooch off them.
Thanks to this site Chuecatown is now also on my netflix queue. The USPS can't keep up your recommendations.
From Beginning to End
Futurama
Good news for Futurama fans...its coming back! Next year Comedy Central is making 23 episodes (I think). It was about time, this thing has been cooking for years and the movies are not enough of a fix, mostly because they havent been very good. So, yay!
Nice interview with Brian Fuller. And thanks for the books suggestions.
Some information on Pepón Nieto. He has been working in a TV series, a cop show with a sense of humor, called Los Hombres de Paco (The Men of Paco). Interestingly enough, he has worked in 4 gay themed or related movies:
Chuecatown
Los Novios Búlgaros (The Bulgarian Lovers)
Perdona bonita, pero Lucas me quería a mí (Forgive me honey, but Lucas loved me)
And if you really really must, but dont... Más que amor, frenesí (Not love, just frenzy)
Chuecatown is fine, but if you want a better bear related movie try Cachorro (Cub). Very sweet and funny.
Good stuff this week Monkey.
Thanks for the additional info!
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Thank you Brent
Oh one more thing
Er...the first M&M`s ad that you posted is actually not from aussie. I think it`s from europe.(Sorry I didn`t make it more clear in my email.My fault!) And you only posted the break-up part, I think the back-together is very funny and kind of sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fsvO31O_U
awwww
so funny and so 'sweet', they had me at 'back for good'. *proceeds to start weeping*
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M&M's
They probably used those commercials in more countries, so I'm sure they aired in Australia too, but the first one was taken from Dutch TV (it has Dutch subtitles).
EDIT: From what the poster above me said, it seems like the ad aired just here in Europe.
Actually, I've seen the
Actually, I've seen the poker M & M ad here in Canada.
Surprised to learn that it was not available state side.
it would be cool
But I think this culture war rages too loudly to get away with it, at least for now. But you never know.
Jason & deMarco
Yeah the M&M adverts were
Starcrossed
I would recommend the short movie Starcrossed if you think From Beginning To End looks good. It's also about two brothers in love, it's a great love story.
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Wondering if From Beginning to End is a response to Starcrossed?
The trailer for From Beginning to End has so many similarities, I think it might be a full feature retelling of Starcrossed (the two brothers loving each other "intimately-but-not-necessarily-sexually" from a very young age, the protective older brother who is better at swimming than the younger brother, the overbearing/disapproving father figure picking on the younger child so that the older brother comes to the rescue, the mother not noticing what's going on, pursuing straight relationships even though you wish you could openly be with your brother, ultimately succumbing to the pressure and engaging in the incestuous relationship). Yeah, so I think they watched Starcrossed and went, this would be an awesome get-the-audience-to-stir-in-their-seats kind of a movie.
If I get the opportunity, I'll definitely watch it. I love watching thought provoking dramatic pieces and this looks (cinematically and artistically) very different, like a full length feature Starcrossed. If American Beauty, Brokeback Mountain, The English Patient, or Romeo + Juliet have taught us anything, it's that immoral actions (or wanting something you can't have) mixed with sexual tension tend to make for a better movie.
Kitty
Do Começo Ao Fim adn Starcrossed Unrelated
Starcrossed was an American short directed by James Burkhammer
Do Começo Ao Fim is a Brazillian film from a Brazillian director.
They cover similar themes but I don't think the two are related at all.
I loved Starcrossed. It was beautifully shot and the performances by the lead actors were to. It was devastating. Very moving and compelling but also horrifying.
I don't think gay folks or gay love stories have to be miserable in order to be realistic or "great".
The incest thing doesn't really phase me.
I think human beings are complicated and while I'm sure it doesn't happen all the time, I can easily understand why siblings might fall in love with each other (even those who've grown up together). There are all kinds of social and cultural reasons why they shouldn't (and biological reasons for mixed gendered siblings) but I still think it happens far more often than we'd like to admit to.
"That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment." (Bayard Rustin) ** "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common" (Dorothy Parker)
Why do so many Gay love stories have to be mired in misery?
I know folks love the drama but I just wish there were more love stories about gay men and lesbians that could have lots of drama but also more joy and less misery and tragedy. Romantic comedies can be smart and funny and powerful and well written. I think the best love stories are the ones where people actually get to HAVE a story. So many films (like Brokeback) seem to just want to tell how a couple got together or how they NEVER got together or ALMOST got together.
It's all pining and longing and emotional torture and "Will he or won't he" come out. So few films with central gay characters as the love interests actually tell the "love" story. I'd love to see a gay "The way we were" "Notting Hill" or even "10 Things I hate about you"
I remember seeing "The Coffee Date" and thinking, "It's cute and funny and sweet with a lot of heart and the leads have so much chemistry and passion. Why couldn't this just have been a love story about the two main characters? There was so much story to tell and they were each compelling characters in their own right" It was such a waste.
The story of the two men or two women meeting, dating and actually getting to love each other and have a relationship doesn't have to be boring or cliche.
It seems weird to me that given the fact that we are so tortured and maligned and demonized about our love lives that we wouldn't want to celebrate gays and lesbians falling in and out of love and having relationships on film.
I could easily see the story of "Scotty and Kevin" being turned into a film from the moment they met in his law office til they got married.
Maybe I'm just feeling extra gay and lovey because of Pride but I don't get it. Gay and lesbian film makers don't seem to really want to produce mainstream films about love and relationships and dating (the indy stuff is either all sex or all "coming out" stories when it comes to love).
It seems like culturally we just skipped from "coming out" to "getting married" with nothing in-between.
The few films that try to be about gays dating "A Four Letter Word" "Long Term Relationship" "All About The Guy" (to name a few I've seen recently) are either ignored by gay press or aren't really up to snuff writing and production wise to get any mainstream attention.
I won't even bother with Lesbian stuff because there isn't anything that isn't "Loving Annabelle" type blah!!!
"That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment." (Bayard Rustin) ** "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common" (Dorothy Parker)
Adam and Steve
I've been having gay movie nights with my gay nephew
who's 15 and I guess that's why it's on my mind. All Over the Guy and Long Term Relationship had good intentions (he really liked All Over the Guy as did I) but I something was just missing...
Generally speaking, I guess I'm wanting something bigger like Brokeback or Milk just because it would be heavily seen and I think straight folks NEED to get used to seeing gay folks in romantic situations as much as we need to have it reflected on screen.
I guess I just think it's crazy that as gay folks we don't have that long string of romantic comedies out there that everyone quotes, etc.
There are so many out directors now who have the means to make romantic movies.
I can think of a ton of romantic comedies over the last 20s that were really significant to me culturally amongst my group of friends, etc.
Young people need to see love stories that reflect what they are going through and gay teens need it even more.
Adam and Steve was very funny but I don't think it would have made it in a big theater even with Parker Posey in it. Broken Hearts Club SHOULD have been a bigger movie given the amazing cast but I think it came out too soon. Had it come out now, I think it could be bigger.
I think it will just take the right director, someone with the clout to get it distributed widely based just upon their bankability and the right choice of lead actors.
Hugh Jackman or Zac Efron (not together necessarly...) and some other such big named guys.
I think it's more about what directors think will sell and gay romances don't seem to sell across the board unless someone is dying or had died or is going to die. Even within the gay community we don't tend to like love stories or comedies unless there is some larger, deeper meaning.
Sigh...
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From Beginning to End
Was this the movie that AE posted a clip of before, and everyone started talking about incest?
Personally, I kinda want to see the movie. I'm not a fan of incest, I find it kind of weird to watch, but that's just personal taste, as I have absolutely nothing against it. If two consenting adults want to have fun together, it's none of my business. They only thing that bothers me about incest is relatives haveing children, as biologically speaking that's dangerous, but hey, guess with a gay couple we don't have to worry about that.
And now I'm reminded of "Harry + Max", another movie about brothers who are something more. Oh great flying monkey, what can you tell me about this movie, and what you thought? (sorry, didn't mean to sneak in a question like this!)
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What a really awful movie that was
I agree with all of your above points, but I must admit Harry + Max was a pretentious, tedious, boring waste of 90 minutes of my life. Just because the movie is about gay male incest, DOES NOT MAKE IT GOOD, case in point.
Kitty
From Beginning to End does bother me
The idea behind the movie bothers me for a few reasons. One is that if the incestuos aspect of the relationship does not end before the movie, then I am not going to feel any sense of resolution about the story. I understand incest does happen in real life, but there is usually some sort of unresolved issues that causes it to occur. Secondly, aren't people just going to get more "weird" ideas about gays if they equate same gendered love with sibling love? And, the third reason this bothers me is that it seems the only time I see strong bonds of love between family members, except in a cheesy, moralizing family movie, it is in a movie about incest! There are a few exceptions, but you hardly ever see relationships given importance in a movie, if there's no sex involve. So it's even more frustrating for me when there is a movie where family relationships are strong, but there is sex involved.
I agree that artists should make art on whatever subject they like... but I'm going to have my own opinions on whatever art they make. I don't believe I will like this particular piece of art. (I will try to keep an open mind until I actually see it, though.)
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