Ask the Flying Monkey! (March 4, 2008)Q: Who are some of the out second or third tier actors who are beginning to make names for themselves? Or do they not exist? -- Jason, Minneapolis, MN
Anyway, there are lots of wonderful out actors who have reached a certain level of success, but haven’t yet become household names (except around this household which includes Michael Jensen, the editor of AfterElton, who “knows all” when it comes to gay entertainment). How about Avenue Q’s brilliant John Tartaglia? Or Rent’s Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz. There’s former Kid in the Hall Scott Thompson, Will & Grace’s Leslie Jordan (who played Beverly Leslie), and Frasier’s Edward Hibbert (who played Gil Chesterton). Queer as Folk had Peter Paige, Randy Harrison, and Robert Gant and Noah's Arc had Daryl Stephens. Jeremy Piven’s assistant on Entourage is played by the openly gay Rex Lee. Rob Lowe’s campaign manager on Brothers & Sisters is played by the openly gay Denis O’Hare, and Suzuki St. Pierre on Ugly Betty is played by the out Alec Mapa (who is also the host of Logo’s [AfterElton.com's parent company] Transamerican Love Story). And don’t forget Ellen’s gay friend Patrick Bristow, or Drawn’ Together’s Jack Plotnick (who is freakin’ hilarious in Girls Will Be Girls). Cheyenne Jackson, Gideon Glick, Adamo Ruggiero
But wait! There's more! There's Broadway's Cheyenne Jackson (already a full-fledged, first tier theater star thanks to Xanadu). Gideon Glick made a splash in the Tony Award winning Spring Awakening before coming out in an interview. And Degrassi: The Next Generation's Adamo Ruggiero came out recently. Oh, yes, Jason, there are second and third tier out actors! And not in the worthless Yes-Virginia-Santa-Claus-lives-in-your-heart kind of way either.
The AfterElton Flying Monkey was unfamiliar with this movie, which is saying something since, as I said, I live with the editor of AfterElton (who has gay media pretty much coming out his ying-yang and forces me to watch it with him). But we were both intrigued, so we Netflixed it.
We agree with much of what you say about the film, especially that it’s quiet. A little too quiet. Alas, the gay subplot (a man trying different ways to kill himself) is pretty minor, and he isn’t revealed to be gay until the very end. That said, the scene where uptight real estate agent Sandra Oh finds his hanging body and tries to hide it before the prospective buyers come to look at the house was truly hilarious. Likewise, the final scenes where the gay guy finally finds a reason to keep on living were touching. Made me wish the whole movie had had that kind of zip. All in all, however, the AfterElton Flying Monkey rates this movie a B-. Have a question about gay male entertainment? Ask the Monkey! Submitted by on Mon, 2008-03-03 23:02. |
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A: Hey, we’re everywhere,
so they definitely exist, though they may not appreciate the AfterElton Flying
Monkey referring to them as “second or third tier actors.” Hopefully, they’ll
know what we both mean, which is character actors or actors who are certain to
be big, big stars one day, but who haven’t yet reached the stature of Ian
McKellen or Nathan Lane.

More out up & comers...
Don't forget Eric Millegan who plays Zack Addy in Bones. Then there's Chad Allen who is in the Donald Strachey tv movies and was on Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.
Recently, I had the opportunity to watch a UK pilot ("Being Human") with Russell Tovey who is just brilliant in one of the lead roles. Most people probably know Tovey best as Midshipman Frame in the recent Doctor Who Christmas special "Voyage of the Damned".
Speaking of Frasier . . .
There was an gay character
I think one of the alien
I think one of the alien characters chasing Stitch in Lilo & Stitch was pretty gay, and not only because he was cross-dressing.
Wilby Wonderful is a cute film, and I really like the integration of the gay characters in the whole film. I don't agree that the gay subplot is minor. The whole story of the film is driven by the "incidents" which could ruin the lives of characters. I don't want to spoil anything for anybody who hasn't seen it, but it's a very gay-friendly storyline.
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OGT
You know, I've always loved the Disney animated musicals, but it never occurred to me that the interest was an OGT [Obviously Gay Trait] until I read it in one of your books! Yes, I suppose I'm a bit dense sometimes... (this, coming from a fellow who found himself subconsciously humming "The Happy Working Song" as he got out of bed this morning).
I do tend to take note of gay subtext in films and literature, where it may escape the attention of some people. (For instance, in young adult lit like Patricia McKillip's The House on Parchment Street---still one of my all-time favourite books from my childhood. Or Zilpha Keatley Snyder's Libby on Wednesday---which is my favourite Snyder title, second only to Black and Blue Magic.)
However, the subtext in Pocahontas totally went over my head; I didn't notice that at all. Of course, it's been quite some time since I viewed that one, so I don't remember the details---time for a re-watch. But I do have to say that The Road to El Dorado was pretty darn gay, and fairly obvious about it, at least to my eyes...
I'm like a superhero, with no powers or motivation...
Another out actor you forgot...
...Guillermo Diaz, who starred in Stonewall, Just One Time, I Think I Do and Half Baked; AfterElton even interviewed him in 2005!: http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/people/2005/2/diaz.html
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I think you're really
Uh...
He wants to marry Jasmine to get power; that's his motivation, not lust. He's clearly afraid of her throughout the movie. And he is WILDLY effeminate, a total queen.
This is what I say in my response: But those movies never specifically come out and say they’re gay, you say? Maybe not, but the characters tend to be cultured, preening, prissy, fearful of females, and very, very effeminate.
I stand by this. And I agree these are not the only examples. But CLEARLY Disney plays upon vague or "coded" homophobia/emphemaphobia in their animated villains. They use very subtle suggestions of "unmanliness" to up the creep factor in their villains. Hollywood has done the same thing again and again, even in non-animated movies.
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Yeah, I acknowledged that
Yeah, I acknowledged that he just wanted to marry Jasmie to get power. What's your evidence that he's afraid of her? It's one think to say "it's clear", it's another thing to point out exactly where it's supposed to be clear. I don't see where Scar is afraid of females either. He has no problem yelling at the lionesses.
I just see Jafar and Scar as dramatic. And, despite the fact that they're an Arabian guy and a lion, respectively, sort of British. :)
I see to recall at least
I see to recall at least one scene where Jafar literally cowers from Jasmine.
As for Scar, well, he pointedly has no children, no female interest. This in a movie that is ALL ABOUT having children and "the circle of life." And there is the line:
Little Simba: "Uncle, you're weird!"
Scar (smirking meaningfully): "You have NO idea!"
And he's not "sort of British." He's very, very effeminate, just like Jafar.
But hey, if you don't see it, you don't see it.
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The "you have no idea" line
The "you have no idea" line was in there because it was a reference to Reversal of Fortune, one of Jeremy Irons's other movies. Scar's "smirking meaningfully" because he's plotting to kill Mufasa. As for Scar having no female interest, I know people who are just as emphatic as you are, only not that Scar is gay/subtextually gay, but that after Mufasa's death he's involved with Simba's mother. Besides, if Scar had any children, Simba would probably have to get rid of them too and it would complicate the plot.
I think you almost want to be offended. There are numerous other ways to interpret the things you're citing as hardcore evidence, but you're insisting that the only correct interpretation is yours.
Um, yeah. No, I was merely
Um, yeah. No, I was merely referring to the phenomenon of coded or vaguely gay villains, in animated films and elsewhere, which is widely acknowledge by many film scholars and even openly aknowledged (in retrospect) by film directors such as Alfred Hitchcock, who later claimed he frequently used to coded gay villains to up the "creep" factor his his villains, in movies like ROPE and STRANGERS ON A TRAIN. The director of 300 recently said the same thing. This is not something I'm pulling out of thin air.
But every time I write about this, there are folks who think I'm crazy, that if the film does not specifically say a character is gay, he's not gay. Which is fine. Obviously I think my interpretation is the "correct" one--that's why they call it an "opinion." But you're absolutely free to have your own, different one. And the world goes round...
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Oh, I don't think you're
Well, not to be defensive,
Well, not to be defensive, but when we wrote that we thought Charlie Prince was a coded gay villain, many people on the site took us to task and said we were crazy. So these things really are in the eye of the beholder, somewhat.
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Gay Jafar
Well, here's the proof, right on YouTube, about Jafar's preference---heh, heh, heh. I must admit this cracked me up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xFNetUC1g
Gay Jafar
Thanks for tha laugh.
Dennis
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Back to Basics
Back to the real basics
This isn't Disney, but I cann't think of any other more gay cartoon than The Smurfs.
Come on, an entire town of shirtless men with only ONE female that had romantic intentions for one and only one of the males living in town? What about the villain living alone with his cat and allways desiring to capture one, any one, of the shirtless little men?
About Bromances, where are Ben Affleck and Matt Damon? Or Silent Bo and his sidekick? (whose name I cann't remember right now).
Wilby Wonderful
All right, I'm glad you guys didn't totally hate it. I don't think it's too quiet, but I like quiet films, so if one doesn't, I can definitely see how it would fall under 'too' quiet. :)
I'm curious as to how you feel that the character was not revealed to be gay until the very end. I'm assuming you mean Dan, not Duck - since Duck seemed pretty obviously gay the entire film, to me anyway.
Of course, Dan seemed pretty clear to me as well, so. ;P
Are you counting the motel scene as "the very end"? Because I don't see how the scene could be read any other way; sure, Dan puts a stop to things, but what with trying to off himself and being caught in a gay scandal, can you blame him?
(That said, I also don't agree that the gay plot was minor - it was the driving force of the entire film. Unless maybe you just mean individual scenes, in which case is more understandable. Though it IS an ensemble.)
I'm rambling an awful lot, aren't I? I just - really can't see how it isn't clear that both Duck and Dan are gay. Why would Dan be trying to kill himself over his wife leaving him, over being caught in the Watch scandal, if he were straight? Why wouldn't he just leave Wilby?
..I swear I am not Dan MacIvor.
I guess you're right. We
I guess you're right. We learn he's gay about half way through? That's when the movie picked up for me. But before that, it was a littl meandering, guess.
Still, thanks for the recommendation! We really like the end. Sweet/romantic.
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Another "Bromance"
Wilby Wonderful
Perhaps M and I were just
Perhaps M and I were just in a cranky mood when we watched it. It's been known to happen! ;-)
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