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Ask the Flying Monkey! (March 4, 2008)

Q: Who are some of the out second or third tier actors who are beginning to make names for themselves? Or do they not exist? -- Jason, Minneapolis, MN

A: Hey, we’re everywhere, so they definitely exist, though they may not appreciate the AfterElton Flying Monkey referring to them as “second or third tier actors.” Hopefully, they’ll know what we both mean, which is character actors or actors who are certain to be big, big stars one day, but who haven’t yet reached the stature of Ian McKellen or Nathan Lane.

Anyway, there are lots of wonderful out actors who have reached a certain level of success, but haven’t yet become household names (except around this household which includes Michael Jensen, the editor of AfterElton, who “knows all” when it comes to gay entertainment).

How about Avenue Q’s brilliant John Tartaglia? Or Rent’s Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz. There’s former Kid in the Hall Scott Thompson, Will & Grace’s Leslie Jordan (who played Beverly Leslie), and Frasier’s Edward Hibbert (who played Gil Chesterton). Queer as Folk had Peter Paige, Randy Harrison, and Robert Gant and Noah's Arc had Daryl Stephens.

Jeremy Piven’s assistant on Entourage is played by the openly gay Rex Lee. Rob Lowe’s campaign manager on Brothers & Sisters is played by the openly gay Denis O’Hare, and Suzuki St. Pierre on Ugly Betty is played by the out Alec Mapa (who is also the host of Logo’s [AfterElton.com's parent company] Transamerican Love Story). And don’t forget Ellen’s gay friend Patrick Bristow, or Drawn’ Together’s Jack Plotnick (who is freakin’ hilarious in Girls Will Be Girls).

Cheyenne Jackson, Gideon Glick, Adamo Ruggiero

But wait! There's more! There's Broadway's Cheyenne Jackson (already a full-fledged, first tier theater star thanks to Xanadu). Gideon Glick made a splash in the Tony Award winning Spring Awakening before coming out in an interview. And Degrassi: The Next Generation's Adamo Ruggiero came out recently.

Oh, yes, Jason, there are second and third tier out actors! And not in the worthless Yes-Virginia-Santa-Claus-lives-in-your-heart kind of way either.


Q: Have you ever seen a movie called Wilby Wonderful? It’s a quiet little movie that takes places all in 24 hours on a small island in Canada. There is an absolutely FANTASTIC gay plotline that really drives the entire film, so I thought it’d be of interest. It’s funny, touching, beautifully shot. It was also directed by Daniel Macivor, who is gay himself. I sound like I made the movie, don’t I? – Snoopypez, Torrance, CA

A: Yes, Daniel Macivor, you do sound like you made the film — er, I mean, Snoopypez.

The AfterElton Flying Monkey was unfamiliar with this movie, which is saying something since, as I said, I live with the editor of AfterElton (who has gay media pretty much coming out his ying-yang and forces me to watch it with him). But we were both intrigued, so we Netflixed it.

We agree with much of what you say about the film, especially that it’s quiet. A little too quiet. Alas, the gay subplot (a man trying different ways to kill himself) is pretty minor, and he isn’t revealed to be gay until the very end.

That said, the scene where uptight real estate agent Sandra Oh finds his hanging body and tries to hide it before the prospective buyers come to look at the house was truly hilarious. Likewise, the final scenes where the gay guy finally finds a reason to keep on living were touching. Made me wish the whole movie had had that kind of zip.

All in all, however, the AfterElton Flying Monkey rates this movie a B-.

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RJ's picture

More out up & comers...

Don't forget Eric Millegan who plays Zack Addy in Bones. Then there's Chad Allen who is in the Donald Strachey tv movies and was on Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.

Recently, I had the opportunity to watch a UK pilot ("Being Human") with Russell Tovey who is just brilliant in one of the lead roles. Most people probably know Tovey best as Midshipman Frame in the recent Doctor Who Christmas special "Voyage of the Damned".

phredd allen's picture

Speaking of Frasier . . .

I saw that you mentioned Frasier’s Edward Hibbert. I seem to remember that Dan Butler who played "Bulldog" the sports jock at the radio station, is also openly gay. He played Bulldog so convincingly, I think people tend to forget that. I suppose when it comes to acting, that's how it should be.
Kyle's picture

There was an gay character

There was an gay character in Persepolis, which is also animated. He was relatively minor, but based on a real person, as the movie is autobiographical. I think he lived in Paris.
François Peneaud's picture

I think one of the alien

I think one of the alien characters chasing Stitch in Lilo & Stitch was pretty gay, and not only because he was cross-dressing.

Wilby Wonderful is a cute film, and I really like the integration of the gay characters in the whole film. I don't agree that the gay subplot is minor. The whole story of the film is driven by the "incidents" which could ruin the lives of characters. I don't want to spoil anything for anybody who hasn't seen it, but it's a very gay-friendly storyline.

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octobercountry's picture

OGT

You know, I've always loved the Disney animated musicals, but it never occurred to me that the interest was an OGT [Obviously Gay Trait] until I read it in one of your books! Yes, I suppose I'm a bit dense sometimes... (this, coming from a fellow who found himself subconsciously humming "The Happy Working Song" as he got out of bed this morning).

I do tend to take note of gay subtext in films and literature, where it may escape the attention of some people. (For instance, in young adult lit like Patricia McKillip's The House on Parchment Street---still one of my all-time favourite books from my childhood. Or Zilpha Keatley Snyder's Libby on Wednesday---which is my favourite Snyder title, second only to Black and Blue Magic.)

However, the subtext in Pocahontas totally went over my head; I didn't notice that at all. Of course, it's been quite some time since I viewed that one, so I don't remember the details---time for a re-watch. But I do have to say that The Road to El Dorado was pretty darn gay, and fairly obvious about it, at least to my eyes...

I'm like a superhero, with no powers or motivation...

Joseph's picture

Another out actor you forgot...

...Guillermo Diaz, who starred in Stonewall, Just One Time, I Think I Do and Half Baked; AfterElton even interviewed him in 2005!: http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/people/2005/2/diaz.html

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David Ehrenstein's picture

And don't forget, the greatest of all drag queens is Bugs Bunny!

"Bromance" is just another name for cocktease. I want HOT MAN-ON-MAN ACTION and will settle for nothing less. Are you listening As the World Turns ?
Russell1947's picture

Your email address.

I was trying to send you questions, but I can't seem to send it. The email address is preloaded as "Ask The Monkey", but when I go to "send", the message says "unable to send". What gives?
Michael Jensen's picture

Thanks. Fixed and the

link should work now.
Marauder's picture

I think you're really

I think you're really stretching it with Jafar and Scar. The only sexually-based thing that relates to Jafar is that he wants to marry Jasmine, although that doesn't count too terribly much because he just wants the throne. But still, it's not like he stares at Aladdin's butt or has/is one of those ambiguously gay toady sidekicks (like Lefou in Beauty and the Beast - I think you could make a much stronger case there) or says anything that could be constructed as a gay double entendre. Where as you getting this from? I don't see it with Scar either. What's the evidence? He doesn't have a lioness? He...was voiced by Jeremy Irons, who played Charles Ryder in Brideshead Revisited, so therefore Scar is gay? What? Where on earth are you getting this from?
Brent Hartinger's picture

Uh...

He wants to marry Jasmine to get power; that's his motivation, not lust. He's clearly afraid of her throughout the movie. And he is WILDLY effeminate, a total queen.

This is what I say in my response: But those movies never specifically come out and say they’re gay, you say? Maybe not, but the characters tend to be cultured, preening, prissy, fearful of females, and very, very effeminate.

I stand by this. And I agree these are not the only examples. But CLEARLY Disney plays upon vague or "coded" homophobia/emphemaphobia in their animated villains. They use very subtle suggestions of "unmanliness" to up the creep factor in their villains. Hollywood has done the same thing again and again, even in non-animated movies.

 

 

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Marauder's picture

Yeah, I acknowledged that

Yeah, I acknowledged that he just wanted to marry Jasmie to get power. What's your evidence that he's afraid of her? It's one think to say "it's clear", it's another thing to point out exactly where it's supposed to be clear. I don't see where Scar is afraid of females either. He has no problem yelling at the lionesses.

I just see Jafar and Scar as dramatic. And, despite the fact that they're an Arabian guy and a lion, respectively, sort of British. :)

Brent Hartinger's picture

I see to recall at least

I see to recall at least one scene where Jafar literally cowers from Jasmine.

As for Scar, well, he pointedly has no children, no female interest. This in a movie that is ALL ABOUT having children and "the circle of life." And there is the line:

Little Simba: "Uncle, you're weird!"

Scar (smirking meaningfully): "You have NO idea!"

And he's not "sort of British." He's very, very effeminate, just like Jafar.

But hey, if you don't see it, you don't see it.

 

 

 

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Marauder's picture

The "you have no idea" line

The "you have no idea" line was in there because it was a reference to Reversal of Fortune, one of Jeremy Irons's other movies. Scar's "smirking meaningfully" because he's plotting to kill Mufasa. As for Scar having no female interest, I know people who are just as emphatic as you are, only not that Scar is gay/subtextually gay, but that after Mufasa's death he's involved with Simba's mother. Besides, if Scar had any children, Simba would probably have to get rid of them too and it would complicate the plot.

I think you almost want to be offended. There are numerous other ways to interpret the things you're citing as hardcore evidence, but you're insisting that the only correct interpretation is yours.

Brent Hartinger's picture

Um, yeah. No, I was merely

Um, yeah. No, I was merely referring to the phenomenon of coded or vaguely gay villains, in animated films and elsewhere, which is widely acknowledge by many film scholars and even openly aknowledged (in retrospect) by film directors such as Alfred Hitchcock, who later claimed he frequently used to coded gay villains to up the "creep" factor his his villains, in movies like ROPE and STRANGERS ON A TRAIN. The director of 300 recently said the same thing. This is not something I'm pulling out of thin air.

But every time I write about this, there are folks who think I'm crazy, that if the film does not specifically say a character is gay, he's not gay. Which is fine. Obviously I think my interpretation is the "correct" one--that's why they call it an "opinion." But you're absolutely free to have your own, different one. And the world goes round...

 

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Marauder's picture

Oh, I don't think you're

Oh, I don't think you're crazy at all. I'm a slasher. I am pretty much the LAST person who will ever say that if a movie doesn't say a character is gay, that means he's not gay. I know about coded gay villains, and in lots of cases I would definitely agree with you. (Charlie Prince in 3:10 to Yuma? Very gay.) I know about Alfred Hitchcock and Rope too, with the Leopold and Loeb inspiration and everything. I'm not saying coded villains don't exist, I'm saying I think it's stretching it to count Scar and Jafar among them. Disney villains are always over-the-top dramatic, just like the princesses are over-the-top beautiful and the animal sidekicks are over-the-top cute.
Brent Hartinger's picture

Well, not to be defensive,

Well, not to be defensive, but when we wrote that we thought Charlie Prince was a coded gay villain, many people on the site took us to task and said we were crazy. So these things really are in the eye of the beholder, somewhat.

 

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octobercountry's picture

Gay Jafar

Well, here's the proof, right on YouTube, about Jafar's preference---heh, heh, heh.  I must admit this cracked me up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9xFNetUC1g

Dennis's picture

Gay Jafar

DennisDennisOkay, someone put that together! I don't remember seeing that in the movie at all, but what a hoot!

Thanks for tha laugh.

Dennis

Knickie's picture

Don't forget Timon and

Don't forget Timon and Pumbaa! Outcasts from their respective groups of meerkats and warthogs, living in a tropical oasis, singing showtunes, Timon dressing in drag, and the two of them raising their adopted cub together. The Disney series is even more explicit. And for bromances, never forget Lennon/McCartney. John often referred to Paul as his fiance or ex-wife and there are hundreds of pix of them touching, gazing at each other, and basically eye-fcking -- they couldn't keep their hands off each other until Yoko broke them up! Paul still hasn't gotten over it.
Insideguy's picture

Back to Basics

Even though Walt Disney was a notorious homophobe. He once asked an animator on FANTASIA, who asked to take a music class, to understand what his was doing, if he was a "Faggot." Over looking the seven dwarfs is like ignoring those 12 dudes who constantly hung with a certain Christian icon. The eager, eager to please, Doc, the anti-femenist, Grumpy, and the dumfounded Dopey, too bad the kid couldn't say the word "Diva." More recently Jeremy Irons, olied gaily, as Simba's uncle in THE LION KING.
Apollux's picture

Back to the real basics

This isn't Disney, but I cann't think of any other more gay cartoon than The Smurfs.

Come on, an entire town of shirtless men with only ONE female that had romantic intentions for one and only one of the males living in town? What about the villain living alone with his cat and allways desiring to capture one, any one, of the shirtless little men?

About Bromances, where are Ben Affleck and Matt Damon? Or Silent Bo and his sidekick? (whose name I cann't remember right now).

 

snoopypez's picture

Wilby Wonderful

All right, I'm glad you guys didn't totally hate it. I don't think it's too quiet, but I like quiet films, so if one doesn't, I can definitely see how it would fall under 'too' quiet. :)

I'm curious as to how you feel that the character was not revealed to be gay until the very end. I'm assuming you mean Dan, not Duck - since Duck seemed pretty obviously gay the entire film, to me anyway.

Of course, Dan seemed pretty clear to me as well, so. ;P

 Are you counting the motel scene as "the very end"? Because I don't see how the scene could be read any other way; sure, Dan puts a stop to things, but what with trying to off himself and being caught in a gay scandal, can you blame him?

(That said, I also don't agree that the gay plot was minor - it was the driving force of the entire film. Unless maybe you just mean individual scenes, in which case is more understandable. Though it IS an ensemble.)

I'm rambling an awful lot, aren't I? I just - really can't see how it isn't clear that both Duck and Dan are gay. Why would Dan be trying to kill himself over his wife leaving him, over being caught in the Watch scandal, if he were straight? Why wouldn't he just leave Wilby?

..I swear I am not Dan MacIvor.

Brent Hartinger's picture

I guess you're right. We

I guess you're right. We learn he's gay about half way through? That's when the movie picked up for me. But before that, it was a littl meandering, guess.

Still, thanks for the recommendation! We really like the end. Sweet/romantic.

 

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Charles's picture

Another "Bromance"

I think the bromance to end all bromances is the one between Alan Shore (James Spader) and Denny Crane (William Shatner) on "Boston Legal". The bond between these two characters is always endearing and hilarious.
AnnieO's picture

Wilby Wonderful

Aw, I loved "Wilby Wonderful." I first saw it on DVD a few years ago and would definitely recommend it. It's a quirky little Canadian film with some fine acting, and the gay subplot is actually a pretty major one in the story. Plus I really like the motel room scene between Callum Keith Rennie and James Allodi.
Brent Hartinger's picture

Perhaps M and I were just

Perhaps M and I were just in a cranky mood when we watched it. It's been known to happen! ;-)

 

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