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Ask the Flying Monkey (September 23, 2008)

Q: I was wondering if you knew whatever happened to Ryan Carnes' career. He seemed at one point to be all over the mainstream news and more lowbrow gossip columns with Eating Out and Desperate Housewives, but now I cannot find any news about him at all. Is he still acting? Alfonso, Chicago, IL

A: Question: when Perez Hilton stops drawing semen drops on your face, is that a good thing for your career or a bad thing? (The Monkey votes for the former, because the less anyone has to think about Perez, the better.)

It’s true that Carnes, 25, seemed to be on the verge of stardom a couple of years ago, but that last step is a doozy. He’s definitely got the looks and possibly the talent (he was great in Eating Out, which is a Monkey fave). But he hasn’t yet landed that breakout role.

Still, he hasn’t given up. Carnes guested on Saving Grace earlier this year, and has three movies coming out in the months ahead. Alas, they’re all low budget indie projects (none gay, at least not that the Monkey has heard).

Q: What happened to the character Al Pacino played in real life in Dog Day Afternoon? Did he get out of jail? Mike, Philadelphia, PA

A: Dog Day Afternoon (1975) tells the story of Sonny Wortzik (played by Al Pacino), who robs a bank to pay for a sex-change operation for his trangender wife, Leon (played by Chris Sarandon). The movie was a hit, and both Pacino and Sarandon were nominated for Oscars (as was its director and screenwriter, and the movie was a Best Picture nominee as well).

As you say, the movie is based on a real-life 1972 robbery committed by John Wojtowicz, who needed the money because his trangender wife, then known as Ernest Aron, had repeatedly attempted suicide because she could not afford sexual reassignment surgery. Wojtowicz’s robbery may have famously failed, and he was sentenced to prison, but ironically, he was paid $7,500 (and a percentage of the profits) for the movie rights to his story — enough money to allow him to pay for Aron’s surgery. She changed her name to Elizabeth Eden. Sadly, she died in 1987, just months after Wojtowicz had been released from prison after serving fourteen of his 20-year sentence. Wotjowicz died of cancer in 2006.

Meanwhile, Pacino, who gained a lot of gay cred by taking the role of the bisexual Wojtowicz, would go on to blow it all by starring in 1980’s Cruising, (rightly) considered one of the most gay-offensive films of all time.

Left: Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon,
Right: Elizabeth Eden (a.k.a. Ernest Aron) with John Wojtowicz

Q: On the Kinsey Scale of 0 to 6, how (truly) gay is Reno 911's Nick Swardson? Shane, Corning, New York

A: If he knows, he ain’t telling the Monkey — he didn’t respond to requests for an interview. His MySpace page lists his sexual orientation as “not sure,” but the Monkey suspects he’s just being cheeky.

Nick Swardson

In any event, Swardson has certainly played a lot of gay guys. In addition to Reno 911!, where he plays Terry Bernadino/Jaspermens (the gay rollerskating prostitute), there’s also Matthew in Art School Confidential, Scotty Kangaroojus on The Showbiz Show, Jessica Biel’s gay brother in I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry, and, of course, the gay robot in Gay Robot.

How did it happen? “It literally just snowballed,” Swardson told Time Out New York (and not the Flying Monkey). “It was just a random choice for the Reno 911 character, and then the show became a huge hit and a movie.” But now, he said, “I don’t want to do any more gay characters. I just don’t want to repeat myself. I don’t want my MySpace clips to all be like, ‘Heeey, guuuys!’”

Did the Monkey mention that Swardson never responded to his request for an interview? That may explain why this question is last in the column.

Have a question about gay male entertainment? Ask the Monkey!

 

Frank's picture

Ratings in the USA ./. Germany (Europe?)

It's interesting to see how different the rating systems must be in America and in Germany because Summerstorm, Get Real and Beautiful Thing are all rated FSK 12 in Germany which means appropriate for 12 year olds. Only Another Gay Movie was rated FSK 16. And all 3 aired on primetime television at 8pm. Actually, I have to say that I don't see any reason why it should be different because there was nothing in those movies inappropriate for teenage kids.
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sexuality vs violence

I bet though - if it comes to violence it would be the other way round. They showed Dr Who at 5 pm and it was cut so heavily (the more violent/frightening scenes) that it was nearly unwatchable.
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Ryan Carnes is in Peter Paige's 'Leaving Barstow'

Ryan Carnes has a part in QAF-alumni Peter Paige's movie 'Leaving Barstow'. Plot: Growing up in Barstow, CA, high school senior Andrew hopes for a bigger world -- but his devotion to his mother, Sandra, and his awakening attraction to newcomer Jenny, combine to keep him tied to home. Andrew's loyalties become confused and his prior ambitions begin to fade as he realizes he must make the most difficult of all decisions -- choosing between himself and the people he loves.
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NE1956's picture

Love/Hate relationships

Absolutely *HATE* Billy Mays! Bear? Gorilla! Ick. LOVE the list of gay teen movie you displayed. Still love "Beautiful Thing" best of all. LOVE Ryan Carnes. And his treasure trail.
WilderR's picture

Pacino

Agreed about Pacino's gay cred squandering, but remember too, he did do the AMAZING Angels in America. (Granted, it was a despicable character). That's gotta count for something. http://www.ericarvin.net
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Gaytown

I, for one, disagree with you about Gaytown. Sure, the concept isn't new, but they take it further than I ever did in my head, and it's a view that most straight people don't really consider. Plus, it's fun, wacky, and entertaining in varying degrees. I'm not sure if the premise can support the show forever, and I can understand indifference to it (it's not perfect), but I think maybe you're being a little cranky about it, yes!
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All sorts of stuff...

LOVE Billy Mays--have actually run in from the other room if working on something to watch his commercials. Serious WOOF time, man. (He's 50? Hellloooooooooooo Daddy.) Even if he's straight, he's still prime fantasy material & visual pleasure.

 WilderR is right-on about Pacino in "Angels in America"--we should probably forgive his misstep with "Cruising" by now, and move on.

 Gay films in high schools is a tough one--many districts are indeed very, very adamant about the "no R rating" thing. You might be able to do an end run with unrated films like "The Curiosity of Chance" or "Ma Vie En Rose" or "World and Time Enough" since there's very little sexual material in them, but it'd be dicey to "play" school officials like that, especially if you're running a GSA, which are often on thin ice anyways. "Dawson's Creek" is a good one, since you can track Jack (Kerr Smith)'s entire coming-out arc over a couple years, including his battles in high school with a hompophobic teacher, his first love, his final happy resolution with an unexpected boyfriend and family, etc. "Ugly Betty" isn't a bad choice either.

A couple other PG-13 films are "Big Eden" and "Rent" (!!???!!!) and "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry." (I know, I know...) "Cabaret" is rated PG, as are "Victor Victoria" and "Yentl." "Rebel Without A Cause" is a great one, too, and it's from the pre-ratings era; so is "Some Like It Hot." "Word is Out" is an unrated documentary that's just talking heads, and should be required viewing. Lots of other docs are also unrated, and you could probably get away with showing them because there's no sexual content--"Small Town Gay Bar" "For the Bible Tells Me So" "The Times of Harvey Milk" "Common Threads" etc. Essential films about What Is Our Community, and How It Got That Way. Dig around really, really hard, and you might find some classic TV movies: "Our Sons" with Julie Andrews and Hugh Grant, "Consenting Adults" with Marlo Thomas and Martin Sheen, "That Certain Summer" with Hal Holbrook and Martin Sheen, "An Early Frost" with Aidan Quinn, & "Doing Time on Maple Drive" with William Macnamara.

I know this doesn't answer your question about gay teens in theatrical movies, but there you are: the subject is apparently so inflammatory, it's almost automatically an "R" rating.

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GREAT suggestions! Thanks

 

 

 

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Joseph's picture

If the kids don't mind subtitles...

...I recommend Christian Faure's two French TV movies, Just a Question of Love and A Love to Hide, both of which are available on DVD as unrated films; I'd say they are both in the range of PG or PG-13 films.

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Edge

Hey Brent, just curious as to why you don't care for "Edge of 17?" It's one of my favorites for being so realistic and for not romanticizing the pain and realities of coming out for everyone: the gay boy, the parents, the best friend. I'm about the right age for the film - I came out in the mid-80s - as I suspect you are - so it really struck a nerve with me. I saw a lot of myself in the main character, good and bad alike. Anyway, I know it often comes up as a fan favorite on sites like AfterElton; and I love the different viewpoints you and the AfterEltoners bring to discussions like this; so I'm curious about your (negative) thoughts on it.
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Edge of 17

I agree with you. I loved this film, it really felt like my life.
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Truthfully, it's been years

Truthfully, it's been years since I saw it, so I can't really speak to it. But I recall hearing really good things about it and really looking forward to it, but then I watched...and it all seemed pretty awkwardly written and acted. I was very underwhelmed, despite the fact that, yup, I came out in 1986 (LOUSY time to come out, thank you very much, AIDS). But I should watch it again one of these days, because a lot of people seem to like it.

 

 

 

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Hey, I came out in 1986,

Hey, I came out in 1986, too - was that you?

 

Ah, the old heightened expectations... Do give it another try.

 

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I recently re-watched it...

...and it's as awkwardly acted and poorly written (and vice versa) as when you first saw it. Only more so because it actually feels more dated than when I originally viewed it, which is really odd because it's only 10 years old!  Save yourself the 90+ minutes...

 

 

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a movie suggestion

I happened upon this movie, by chance, and it was surprisingly well done. The Twilight of the Golds is film that portrays a world where doctors can perform tests that deduce the sexuality of a couple's unborn child. Here's the plot (courtesy of imdb):

 

When Suzanne Stein has a genetic analysis done on her unborn child, she discovers that although she has a healthy baby, the child will most likely be born gay, like her brother, David. She must decide whether to keep the child, or to have an abortion. Her family enters a crisis about love and acceptance as she makes this difficult choice.

 

It stars Brendon Fraser, Jennifer Beals, Faye Dunaway, Garry Marshall, and Rosie O'Donnell.

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I knew John Wojtowicz as he was member of G.A.A.

(Gay Activists Alliance) Dog Day Afternoon -- a truly superb film --tells only part of the story. There's website dealing with the history of gay bars in new York that goes into it in more detail. The bank he tried to knock over wasn't chosen at random. It was a Mafia drop. Moreover the sex change operation for Liz Eden was only part of the reason for the robbery. Littlejohn (as we all called him) was a trip and half. Pacino was Beyond Brilliant in the role. With all the discussions of gays-playing-straight and straight-paying-gay, his "Littlejohn" and his Roy Cohn are towering achievements. parts like that don't come along every day.
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John write a letter to the

John wrote a letter to the NY Times in 1975, telling the world that only about 30% of the movie was accurate. He didn't want people thinking things about his friends that weren't true!

 

 

 

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"bear" knows no sexual orientation

A bear is a bear whether he is straight or gay. I have not known Billy Mays before seeing his picture here but the question whether he is a bear or not should be obvious to everyone who looks at his picture. He´s certainly a bear and a hot one too. Why don´t you ever show men like him on the "AfterElton briefs" underwear pictures? All these twinkish model types are starting to turn me straight.
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Thank you, thank you, thank

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

That was my first thought, too... since when is a bear defined by their sexual orientation?  Clearly the Monkey needs to educate himself on things other than teens and twinks. :-)

And, yes, AfterElton could do with showing a little, shall we say, VARIETY in their pictoral representations of all things gay.  Not all gay men look like or are attracted to glossy, smooth Abercrombie & Fitch models.

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I blog corrected!

But in fairness to ME, it did sounds like the email-writer was asking whether he might be gay. I mean, if she was only observing that he IS a bear, that's not really a question, is it? ;-)

 

 

 

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Dave's picture

'Based On A True Story'

I saw this documentary several months ago; it's a great telling of the whole John Wojtowicz/Dog Day Afternoon story.

 http://www.basedonatruestory.nl/

Knickie's picture

Prom Date

It's a Canadian documentary about a boy who was inspired by Queer As Folk to try to take his boyfriend to his senior prom. It brings up a lot of issues teens can relate to, obviously, and I doubt there's anything R-rated in it.
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Ryan Karnes

He has stated that he is not looking to more gay roles. He is a devout Christian too boot. I think Marc Cherry treated him rather shabbily by basically not following through on a gay story line for Andrew on DEPARATE HOUSEWIVES. By the way they did an outline on what will be happening after the year jump with nary a mention of the gay boys in the neighborhood. Andrew becomes Bree's hatchet man but no mention of his living arrangements. Someone should tell Marc Cherry that being a prick tease is as very unattractive as being a bitter old queen.

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Marc Cherry is a self-hating

Marc Cherry is a self-hating gay Republican.  That should tell you all you need to know about how he handles gay storylines.  Probably thinks we should all stop making such a fuss and keep it in the bedroom....
Piato's picture

I think D.E.B.S. is rated

I think D.E.B.S. is rated PG13, and it's a great movie