Gay Pride month kicks off with support from Hillary, Obama, Jill Biden, and ... Dick Cheney?Last night gay political commentator Andrew Sullivan appeared on Anderson Cooper 360 to talk about former Vice President Dick Cheney's rather surprising recent words of support for the gay community, and compare them to President Barack Obama's relative silence on the issues of marriage equality and Don't Ask Don't Tell. Sullivan's level-headed response to the seeming disconnect between Obama's campaign promises to LGBT Americans and what he's put into action in 6 months is to give the guy a little more time. But wouldn't it be the ultimate irony if this message of support from Cheney (whose administration actively suffocated LGBT causes) was the thorn that got Obama to deliver on his promises? I mean, really — how embarrassing would it be to be out-progressived by Dick Effing Cheney?!
Meanwhile, spunky and sensibly-shoed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued an official statement recognizing June as Gay Pride Month and honoring the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall Rebellion, and President Obama issued a proclamation naming June Gay Pride month that, while by all means positive, is drawing attention for making no specific mention of marriage equality. Vice President Joe Biden's wife, Jill Biden, meanwhile, spoke in NYC at the GLSEN (The Gay, Lesbian & Straight Educators Network) annual Respect Awards about stopping the bullying of gay kids. What's your take on the various statements? Did Obama just get "bitchpleeeezed" by Cheney ... or is it even a fair comparison? Submitted by on Tue, 2009-06-02 09:13. |
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Erm, I think you're being a
To be clear...
Words are cheap
i called this
weirdest thing happened. after the ban on prop 8 was upheld and that republican guy from Bush's campaign teamed up with the democractic guy from Al Gore's...
when i heard that, i literally said "ok, something crazy is gonna happen. either bush comes out for gay marriage, john MCcain or Dick Cheney"
as soon as i read it on huffingtonpost, i gasped so loud. my boss thought i was having an asthma attack for a second. basically, i called it and was shocked i was right. :-)
Obama is still annoying me with this issue. I read Obama's statement and what really gets me is he acknowledges that we are a part of society, we give to it, we're people too, yadda yadda....and he mentions equality. last i checked, DADT and same sex marriage and him not saying/supporting/taking action on these things is NOT gonna help his call for equality
"Here at home, I continue to support measures to bring the full spectrum of equal rights to LGBT Americans." -- FULL SPECTRUM? um, who is writing this? come on....
As long as the promise of equality for all remains unfulfilled, all Americans are affected. If we can work together to advance the principles upon which our Nation was founded, every American will benefit. During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.
I call upon the people of the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere it exists.
I voted for him, but i wish he could just say "i support A,B,C, and not D"...because the hypocrisy is giving me a headache.
Pride Month
Obama Proclaims June 2009 "LGBT Pride Month" Aaaahhh, I Feel All Better Now!
Read the full story at Rev. Steve's Cyber-Pulpit http://tinyurl.com/cymw44
Would you let your daughters marry one?
Comparison
It is not a fair comparison. Although Cheney has surprised everyone that he said what he said the other day, we cannot forget his silence at his own daughter's discrimination during the 8 years he was in office. There were many moments he had a chance to speak out and he chose loyalty to President Bush II over his own family as did his wife. He only said it was a private matter and no one's business. But now he can say something? This is also the same man who stood by and let the President campaign on gay marriage as a wedge issue in 2004. His support and voice are welcome but to compare to President Obama's record is no comparison.
As for President Obama, his record as a legislator and at least public words have been consistent in tone if not in follow through. Sadly, he cannot seem to grasp the important economic impact that gay marriage, ENDA, and Don't Ask Don't Tell have on the GLBT community at-large. At the federal level, he must be more vocal and show us physically and legislateively that he is with us beyond words. How about attending an MCC Church in DC to show his commiment to both the importance of religion as part of one's life AND his support for GLBT families? Why not have him attend a private Gay or lesbian wedding of a friend? Why not submit himself to an interview by The Advocate now that he is the President? When Don't Ask Don't Tell reaches his desk, have him convert all discharges related to the policy be wiped off the books and benefits and apologies distributed accordingly? Politics is a rough business, but the power of the physical being can be a powerful moment for the nation to see. So far he has done nothing but band-aid our movement with platitudes.
I told you so!
I told everyone that Obama was NOT progressive enough before the election!
Obama doesn't support civil marriage equality! Obama doesn't support human equality and human rights for all human beings!
I don't know why people are so surprised now! This is what happens when you live under a two-party dictatorship: all the progressive policies get swept under a rug and ignored!
The old lesser of two evils argument.
I recognize the frustrations in your point, but at least Obama seems to notice gays exist! My first memories of him were at the Democratic convention when he talked about having gay brothers and sisters in the red states.
When you are stuck in a two party system, I think it is wiser to support the guy who doesn't act like you don't exist.
Sorry if that makes me part of the problem, but change comes in baby steps and denouncing everyone is counterproductive IMO.
I agree
We knew Obama didn't support gay marriage right from the start, he made that very clear, so there should be no surprise now. Once he got the Dem nom, what choice did we have??
But why are you "stuck in a two party system"?
I can't think of another western democracy that only has two parties that are able to form government! This is ridiculous!
This is my humble suggestion: protest, lobby, bug your reps until there is electoral reform! You need to make it easier for third and fourth parties in America and then all the progressive policies you support will be more easily adopted because the top two parties will fear losing power to less-corrupt third and fourth parties! This will ensure that ALL parties clean up their act!
Never settle for injustice! Injustice can always be overturned! Don't give up or give in! That's just my humble thoughts!
Peace.
Ranked Choice/Instant Runoff Voting
Major Electoral Reform: Exactly!
I think America needs major electoral reform (including campaign finance rules that limit campaign contributions by corporations and wealthy individuals)!
Also, Presidents should be elected using a Two-Round System (check it out; it's awesome!)
And the House of Representatives and the Senate can either be elected using a fairer system such as Proportional Representation (PR) or Alternative Vote (AV) or Mixed Member Proportional (MMP)!
Plus you need a federal elections body that determines UNIFORM standards for elections in ALL states!
When you have a fairer electoral system then you will see fairer policies being adopted! Please act responsibly because your actions affect the entire world!
Peace.
Progress
While things are not as we would like, to say that Obama is going too slow is really just a bunch of queens who want their cake now. Sorry boys and girls he's doing it right. The saying slow and steady wins the race really applies here. He's doing what he can. Remember he's got 3.5 years left at least and hopefully 7.5. DODT will be gone by the end of his administration. Bet on it. The reality is Obama can only do so much as president, remember congress has a say also (unfortunately) otherwise we can be sure that Bill Clinton would have done it. Take it easy folks. Support the guy. Write those emails to your local politician. Make sure your voice is heard, but lets be smart about it.
Give me a break
Obama has a unified, near supermajority, Democratic gov't. There is NO excuse.
In 1993, Bill Clinton also had a unified Democratic gov't when he gave us Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
Stop settling for BULL just because political party involved is an ass, not an elephant.
Cheney always had a different view from W
Just go back to the VP debate when he was asked about his daughter and gays in general and he was upfront that his views were different but he was not the lead of the ticket.
ALL VPs are meant to be loyal and he was whether he agreed with the president's policy or not.
Has Obama repealed DOMA or Don't Ask Don't Tell brought to us by his Secretary of State's husband? When is this change coming or is this "proclamation" just lip service that will be embraced and cheered by the "gay community" at large because half of them went to get in Obama's pants?
Sullivan is wrong about the benefit of the doubt
Lip service
Here is Fenrenbach discussing his waiting for Obama
I was right
Political Tactics
Six of one half a dozen of the other
Saying you're in favor of gay marriage but that it should be "left to the states" means you're not in favor of gay marriage.
Barry thinks we should have something sorta like marriage "but PLEASE don't call it marriage because no black breeder will ever speak to me again"
IOW Separate AND Unequal.
Not a damn's bit of difference between them.