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Subway tells Kurt Wild to take his five-dollar footlong elsewhere, thank you very much

Granted, other than the obvious joke above, there's nothing funny about this: It seems that 22-year-old porn actor Kurt Wild has been fired from a Subway restaurant outside of St. Louis after a customer recognized him from his other line of work and raised hell with the management.

According to this site, Wild sent them an email with the following:

"I just wanted to tell everyone that I was just fired from my work at subway because I have done gay porn. A customer said they wouldn't even eat there at subway anymore because of my past work and said that if I wasn't fired then they would boycott the store. What I say is, if one person can try to ruin me everywhere I work... maybe I should take a stand and boycott their store too if they can't let people's privacy be treated right. I should have the right to work anywhere I can and it isn't right or fair that people can keep me from working simply because of a "gay" issue. If a girl did what we do it would probably be ok.. and if a guy does straight porn.. he is bragged about. When I do gay porn, I feel a bit lynched for the rest of my life. Not right. Thanks for reading. - Kurt Wild"

Now, there are a number of questions I have about this.

First, how on Earth did this customer, who apparently isn't a fan of gay porn given his or her response, know that Wild was in gay porn in the first place?

Second, how does having a documented history of being sexually active make you unfit to serve sandwiches? I guess they should fire all of the employees that have children as well?

And third, what - do they have no Quizno's in that town? Subway is sooooooo 2004... 

I'm not going to tell you where you can find more examples of Wild's work, because this is a family site and you guys can find that on your own. But I will include the box cover for one of his titles after the jump, for curious readers. 

Liz's picture

hmmm

"I just wanted to tell everyone that I was just fired from my work at subway because I have done gay porn. A customer said they wouldn't even eat there at subway anymore because of my past work and said that if I wasn't fired then they would boycott the store. What I say is, if one person can try to ruin me everywhere I work... maybe I should take a stand and boycott their store too if they can't let people's privacy be treated right."

 

^ the bolded part: maybe i am reading it wrong or whatever, but getting naked in front of a camera and then having sex with people for intent on making money is not what what i would call privacy. I can see why he was fired, but i also understand his view.....but really, porn and privacy don't mix.....unless he made a sex tape for his own private purposes and then it was leaked ala paris hilton. 

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Anonymous's picture

Can't he go to the police

Can't he go to the police and report his boss for discimiation in workplays,i don't know what the laws say about that in the US but i really thought that discrimination against LGBT people was incorporated into your laws?
jago87's picture

Hmmmm

Unfortunately I'm not sure his "it's because it was GAY porn" argument would necessarily hold in court. Plenty of employers out there would fire employees just for being in porn in the first place. Granted, that's usually in professional services industries, and I totally agree in that I don't think it has any impact on one's ability to make sandwiches...

Cat's picture

But is it gay discrimination if he isn't gay?

Strangely enough, I read an interview with Kurt Wild on one of those porn blog things just a few days ago in which he stated he was twenty two, married with three children - yikes - his wife was totally cool with the gay-for-pay deal and that MANY people in his small town knew how he earned his living. And if anyone had a problem with it - no biggie. He also went on to say one of his most favorite things in the whole wide world was taking his son fishing. I remember the interview because that last comment seemed so incongrous and de trop given the context. Whatever. No idea if the guy really is gay and is playing pretend-straight to appeal to them that likes that sort of porn or if he really is an eager beaver father of three juggling Fratmen.com and Subway to put food on the table. All interesting back story - to me at least - but it doesn't matter. If he was fired because the assumption was made that he's gay he has a case.
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RFC's picture

Discrimination Laws

Employment anti-discrimination laws for LGBT people are only on a state by state basis in the US. Quite a few do have that protection now, but St. Louis (in Missouri) probably doesn't.

GaySpouseDotCom's picture

St. Louis Bans Discrimination Based on Sexual Orientation

St. Louis, Missouri, protects residents and visitors by outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation in public employment, private employment, housing, credit in financing of real estate transactions, union practices, and public accommodations.

Visit CREA (Civil Rights Enforcement Agency) for more info at http://stlouis.missouri.org/government/crea.html

Across the river, East St. Louis is covered by the State of Illinois, which protects residents and visitors by outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation in public employment, private employment, housing, credit, and public accommodations.

Hawk's picture

states ....

GaySpouseDotCom wrote:

St. Louis, Missouri, protects residents and visitors by outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation in public employment, private employment, housing, credit in financing of real estate transactions, union practices, and public accommodations.

Visit CREA (Civil Rights Enforcement Agency) for more info at http://stlouis.missouri.org/government/crea.html

Across the river, East St. Louis is covered by the State of Illinois, which protects residents and visitors by outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation in public employment, private employment, housing, credit, and public accommodations.

 

Aye - remember 33 states do NOT have that in their state rules like MO and IL, it can go "Hi, I'm gay".. they can then say "Bye, your fired"...

But, if it was East St. Louis, under IL rules, remember IL is an AT WILL state.  They can tell him he is fired and not have to give an answer why.  Now you have to Prove that it was due to listed above item for them to count it as Discrimination.

 

jjose712's picture

I have a doubt

If the customer is so against gay porn, how on earth he recognize this guy?
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junkscience's picture

My thoughts exactly.

My thoughts exactly.
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seanID22's picture

sexual self-hatred

It seems to be a very male phenomenon to hate what turns him on. That's why the Taliban put women in beekeeper suits. Of course, one wishes that gay men would be much more liberal about that type of thing, see as how the gay rights movement sort of depends on more sensible social attitudes toward sex.
duckiestoy's picture

Not so funny

They aren't beekeeper suits. They're burqas (or chadri) and it's an expression of their faith's value of modesty.

I don't know that gays have sensible social attitudes towards sex with the increase in new HIV infections among young gay men. 

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seanID22's picture

...not so funny if you're a tightass

Wow, defending the Taliban and attacking the slutty gays in the same brief post. Score! I look forward to your next response explaining that some Nazis were gay.
Anonymous's picture

Kurt's porn work and has nothing to do with his day job

It's not like the poor kid was shooting a scene on the SUBWAY counter while taking sandwich orders.

The porn films he made aren't even shown in theaters, you have to subscribe to a site or rent on or buy one so it's not like there were posters of him having sex on the local bus shelter either.

The work Kurt did was LEGAL, he was of age and it's is personal business that has nothing to do with his day job.

I agree with Kurt, there wouldn't have even been an issue if the porn he'd been doing was with girls.   The customer would have been winking and nudging him to death and would probably have given him an extra tip!

Who is this customer who is so well-versed in the world of gay porn that they could immediately spot him ON SIGHT?! . "May I have a turkey hero with... OH MY GOD, YOU'RE KURT WILD THE PORN MODEL!!!? 

PAAALEASE! Talk about a hypocrite!!! 

If this customer is so well versed, and they think porn is shameful or GAY PORN is shameful, then why are they watching it?

If they're watching it, then that's means they can't think it's THAT SHAMEFUL!

The real issue is that NO EMPLOYER should have the right to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their body during the time when they are not at work as long as they aren't doing anything illegal that effects their job.

It may seem like a small issue but it has ramifications for lots of folks who do sex work (legal sex work ) while maintaining other more standard employment.

I hope some folks with some legal moxie will get behind this kid and help him make a stand.


 

 

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Michael549's picture

There Is No "Right To Work"

An employer can fire someone for any reason or no reason at all, unless the firing has to do with one of the prohibited reasons: race, sex, etc.  An employer is not obligated to keep an employee where it can be shown that such an employee would not be helpful to the business.  There have been cases where persons employed as police have been fired for dis-robing for the cameras, both men and women, even though there was a union, employee rules and procedures.  The basic problem is that Mr. Wild is not using a work-skill that few have, thus he can be replaced on a whiff of trouble.  In addition there has been a major debate about websites like MySpace (and others) where so much of a person's life is online, and how that may affect their employment prospects. Background checks are so much easier when one's life is online for the world to see. Subway franchises are owned by their local managers/owners - the central office has no say on who gets hired, fired or promoted. A similar situation occured with wrestlers, a television show contestant, -- folks who were recognized by those who view gay porn, and who reported the person. Why do folk who view pay porn do that to each other is the real question.
Psionycx's picture

It shouldn't have an impact

I'm going to assume that he wasn't working there as a salaried employee.  Regardless, what other employment he holds outside of his working hours for Subway is irrelevant.  So long as his other employment is not illegal I don't see how it is a relevant.

I also agree that I'm rather curious as to how the customer would know he worked in porn, especially gay porn, without being a consumer of said porn themself.  The last time I checked gay porn was still not available on either broadcast or cable TV (unless you count Here I supposed).  Even more significantly, the person would have to have paid very close attention to said porn in order to be certain of recognition.  A lot of people have similiar appearances and I certainly wouldn't feel confident asserting that I know that a complete stranger was in the porn business unless they had some very distinctive feature that was unmistakable.

Even so, I don't see a rational basis for a complaint.  Is it an assumption that a porn performer is somehow "unclean"?  Because I somehow suspect that a lot of the people working food service jobs have fairly active sex lives regardless of whether they get paid for it.

It sounds like the manager that fired Kurt was just a wimp that panics any time a customer makes a stink.

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Anonymous's picture

And, that distinct feature

And, that distinct feature would probably be below the belt anyway, so this guy didn't just accidentally hap upon Kurt's cock, I'm sure.  :)
Samuel Gillespie's picture

I must say...

Kurt looks nice, but I do prefer Trevor in that picture.
wagville's picture

"Six-inch or foot-long?"

I'm just bummed that doing gay porn doesn't pay well enough that you can quit working at Subway.

He should at least be delivering for Domino's. [cue saxophone] "I've got your extra-large pepperoni here, Mr. Johnson . . . "

 

 

The blog wants to give you a delivery.

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David E is a Fraud!'s picture

I diagree

wagville wrote:

I'm just bummed that doing gay porn doesn't pay well enough that you can quit working at Subway.

He should at least be delivering for Domino's. [cue saxophone] "I've got your extra-large pepperoni here, Mr. Johnson . . . "

The blog wants to give you a delivery.

I disagree very strongly. He should work for Quiznos - their sandwiches are hotter.

 

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SteveMD2's picture

Ssue them and show them

You can fix gthe whole subway chain,  by sueing them.  The stupid manager will be fired. And they will implement a policy that protects their gay employees from harrassment.

And you can bet that if the customer recognized this guy, then that customer has been beating his meat over the guy's porno videos.   He is terrified others will find out the truth about him.  And that shows just how diabolical the Christian fascists are in inventing the closet, getting the very people they hate to support them.  Hitler could have taken lessons from them.

And find me the guy who complained.  I'm well past prime age for any kind of porn,  but I'll be glad to use my slr to send him some pixs to make him happy.  And put his pix and name on my website. HE HE

ETJB's picture

very odd

How does a man -- who is so opposed to porn that he will not patronize a business that hires some one who is involved in it -- gain the ability to recognzie porn actors.

It is also interseting that when a gay man is fired -- or kicked off the board of a gay porn webpage -- for donating money to McCain the gay conservatives scream injusice.  But now it is probably the liberals screaming injustice.

I would think that both examples are injustices or neither one of tem is.  In terms of the law, the employer will probably argue in court -- if it gets to that -- that it was about the porn and not anything gay or related to sexual orientation.

I think Law and Order did an episode once, a few years back, about gay-for-pay and they did not depict an especially pleasant workplace.

 

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Craig Young's picture

well count on a conservative for non sequiturs

are saying that customers who purchases from manhunt should be forced to have their dollars pay for the manages political views? i thought for a second we live in a free country. but maybe not. i do agree how ever that the porn thing sounds suspcious here, and i am not quite certain a) why this is a gay issue or b) why a business can not fire an employee if that employee is at will and not merely discriminating (unless porn stars are a protected class)
duckiestoy's picture

Mark-Paul Gosselaar was gay-for-pay

Mark-Paul Gosselaar was gay-for-pay in an episode of Law & Order.

He did it because he and his wife, also a porn actor, had a chronically ill daughter.

I thought it was a good episode.

Rob's picture

Do we know it was a man who complained

My former wife was rather pissed to discover my gay porn stash. It didn't make for pleasant conversation over dinner.
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playnu4fools's picture

Publicity Stunt...

Guarantee his sales just went up 80%. I say it's a publicity stunt that everyone just bought into.

Who's seriously gonna recognize the guy if they aren't into gay porn? And even if they are... who's gonna recognize the guy? Really.

It was either some guy who had a major crush on the guy and found out he was married, so had no chance and was pissed off that he bought into it.

OR... the guy who complained to Subway was Kurt himself or a friend trying to boost his publicity and sales, cuz obviously Subway doesn't pay enough to live off of.

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the herald's picture

This man is very brave

It must be very difficult to "come out" publicly and risk ridicule and scorn because of your occupation.  Personally, I would be very embarassed to have people find out I worked at Subway's.
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Joseph's picture

Subway is much more embarassing

I agree, I'd be more embarassed to have people know I worked at Subway than to have been in a gay porn video.

And I also agree that he should not have been fired for appearing in gay porn. As others have stated, as long as it's legal, it should be considered just like any other part-time job a person may have in addition to their regular work. Who knows, maybe Quiznos will hire him and get all the gay business.

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Anonymous's picture

Or some bitter old queen

Or some bitter old queen thought he was going to have sex with a pornstar by threatening that to tell his employer about his pornpast.A closeted gay man would not out himself over this i think.

Anyway even if there are laws against discrimination for LGBT or any minority group its very hard to proof this most of the times, but in this case its pretty obvious.

the herald's picture

But it wasn't discrimination against LGBT

He was fired for being in porn, not being gay.  And seriously, I tend to believe the conspriacy theorists on this one.  Either it was a set-up, or he's just trying to exploit the situation. 
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Kworb7's picture

Maybe someone else recognized him

Maybe he was recognized by a fan and then this other customer overheard them talking. But even that would be strange.
Craig Young's picture

If his state is at will employment

there is not much he can do about this. Also I doubt any sexual orientation law would say that being a porn star counts as a reason to not to be fired. I am going to sound conservative here, and whatever, but frankly I would worry about my business too if I had a porn star working for me. I wouldn't want the business being associated with the porn industry unless that was my product. Being a porn star carries with it a lot of bad press. I would have to weigh the impact to my business against not interfering in an employees personal life. My point is that it's not as black and white as people are arguing here. Finally, I do wonder, however, about the customer.
Insideguy's picture

The Big Pay Day

Subway is going to give Mr. Wild a far bigger pay day for discrimination than it ever would have lost in sales to a few disgruntled customers.  I used to go to Subway several times a week since it was the closest fast food place to my office.  And we often ordered out for lunch meetings.  That all stops now.  I am sure we gave them far more business than that customer ever did.  Their loss.

Did they ever stop and ask why the customer recognized him?  Maybe they were closeted and self-loathing.  As you know good christains, never drink, abuse their souses and children, skip church, kill animals, or look at porn.

This is the height of hipocrisy.

I would write to the president of Subway if I knew mr. Wild's name and or the store he actually worked at.  Anywone care to join me?

cryan71's picture

I'll take a bitter queen with a six incher

I think Kurt was discovered by some bitter queen who thought that guys who do porn will do anyone who discovers them in real life.  Sort of like those Lucky Charms commercials when the kids catch the... Oh you know what I mean!

More in likely, Kurt wasn't interested in sex with the customer and the customer, like a bitter queen, retaliated.

As for discrimination, it doesn't appear it was because he was gay, but because he was a porn star.  One of the hazards of doing porn is that you give up your right to privacy.  Hence, most people don't perform in porn because they want that right to privacy.

Kurt claims to be straight.  So to run behind the gay discrimination skirt, seems to be odd.  I really never met someone who did gay porn that was 100% straight.  In fact, I've met a lot of confused bisexual guys that couldn't understand why they enjoyed having sex with men, but felt they had to justifying by claiming to be paid or drunk.  One closeted gay performer admitted to me that he watched straight porn on set, not to get him erect -- but to keep the allusion that he was totally straight and thus paid more.

 

 

Zam's picture

Subway is embarrassing

Thanks to those before me who have mentioned the damage to ones reputation that working at Subway might cause.  ;)

If the guy claims to be a straight married father (as a previous poster suggested) when not "performing", then he certainly can't claim discrimination based on orientation.

Regardless, HE made a decision to "act" in porn.  Whether he "needed the money" or was an aspiring actor who couldn't land any other roles is his business.  HE did it.  Businesses generally do not look kindly on developing a bad reputation as a result of their employees extra-curriculars.  What about smokers who are forbidden to smoke in their homes or elsewhere away from the workplace or risk termination?  Unfair?  Maybe.

When you accept employment, you accept the terms of the employment.  It is your responsibility to adhere to them, when they are not otherwise covered under discrimination laws.  Guys (and girls) who plaster their naked faces and and naked naughty bits in videos or pics or who post "objectionable" material where it could be found now or later take that risk.

Look how long it took Vanessa Williams to rebound from the Playboy pics.  Did she think at that time she would become Miss America?

dwmusic's picture

My contribution, don't buy from Subway

Sexual orientation discrimination legislation is based on a person's actual or perceived sexual orientation, so someone straight who is assumed to be gay because they fit some stereotype and is treated less fairly is still eligible to bring a case under the legislation.