We've known for a while now that Chad would be returning to complicate things for Kevin and Scotty, but this is a bit more complicating than we expected ... check out more pics below!
We are actually going to have a story focused around Kevin and Scotty, it is really hard to remember the last time their was a major gay story line since the ceremony. I hope to see tons and tons scotty in the coming weeks.
How slim are the chances of the Scotty-Kevin-Chad triangle going the way of the Melanie-Lindsay-Biker Chick triangle on QAF. A guy can dream can't he.:]
Leda was WAY too hot for the Boring Bickersons that were Lindsay and Melanie! But I would have paid good money to see that scene played out where she suggested a "threesome" with Brian: him, her, and a strap-on! LOL! Now THAT would have been transgressive TV!
Well, I don't know if they actually DO, but Jason Lewis character apparently proposes the idea to Kevin and Scotty. Cue the "Is this good for the gays or not" question/dialogue while I wrap my imagination around the possibilities...
Oooo interesting. In an ideal world Chad would come in, swoop Kevin off his feet, make him realise he was never really in love with Scotty and make Kevin divorce him! It won't be as good as Jason coming back and doing the same thing, but it would be enough :D. However, the writers and a lot of the viewers are still under the impression that Kevin and Scotty make a good pairing...puhlease.
He used him as a piece on the side, judged him for having a one-nighter with Scotty, dumped him, used him again, and then dumped him for good because Kevin wasn't sure about moving too fast. Jason Lewis' visible unease with the role didn't exactly help.
..... I like Scotty and I adore Kevin and they make a cute couple. But I always felt it was a mistake to marry Kevin off. I much peferred Kevin when he was single and dating. He was much more interesting to me then. I think we should have had a few more years of that before he settled down. I just don't find married Kevin very interesting.... and I suspect the writers don't know what to do with them now that they've done it.
He was a priest, after all, and THAT would probably cause America's head to collectively explode. :)
Which then brings up the question: is it better to have a 3-way with a former lover and your current squeeze, where it's very clear that things are "over" relationship-wise with the ex and you're just having a good, hot time? Or is it better to bring in a rookie/newbie, have fun, and then show them the door, and assume that there will be no future emotional entanglements? (True confession: I did the former.)
Omg he's so goregous...and have you seen clips of him on youtube talking with his Welsh accent???
Matthew Ryhs is one of my dream men lol
Yeah, I don't have anything valid to add. Maybe if they did do a love triangle it would be negative as they are the only gays on the show, and they're protrayed as unfaithful and unstable. But, at the same time, the straights go through that too, and it probably reinforces the belief that our relationships have the same ups and downs as theirs.
I'm very wary about this episode. Although Chad grew on me eventually, it's a toss-up in my opinion as to whether he or Jason was more controlling and selfish. So, I don't particularly want to see him back on the show. Further, with the "quality" of this season, I don't know if I have the faith in the writers to pull this off. And finally, I don't want to see anything mess up Kevin and Scotty, because I love them together.
That said, I am excited that they might actually have a story for a change. And Chad certainly does look like he's off to a production of Grease.
Jason Lewis - who I think has lost his looks since SITC the series- gave quite a few interviews where he talked about how he didn't like this role or the kissing scenes. I have disliked him and the character ever since. I am firmly in the Luke MacFarlane support group.
For those of you who think Kevin is better suited for Chad or the Reverend keep in mind that regardless of who he ended up with they would become nuetered. The only reason that Chad seemed edgy was because he was the "toxic" boyfriend that was never supposed to work out.
I think a better way to initiate conflict would have been to introduce Scotty's first love who just happens to own a prestigious resturant and wants Scotty in his kitchen and his bed.
His face is pinched so tight in that closeup. Yikes.
I can't see this being a threeway, and even more annoying, they put Kevin and Scotty on the backburner for 95% of the season and one of their few stories is about this?? Ugh.
Wow, it's great to see Chad back! I really loved his storyline with Kevin back in season one. I'd really love to see what's going on with his life now that he came out publicly.
As for Kevin and Scotty. I really dislike them as a couple and I find them really boring together so it would be cool to shake things up again. For example, Kevin falling for Chad again and having to choose between him and Scotty.
You know, I really wanted them to shake things up for our gay power couple, but I really could do without them going down the 3-way route. It's just a bad image to put out there. Not that I don't realize the situation exists in real life, and I actually don't see anything wrong with it, I'm just not sure it fits the audience for the show. I'm not sure that it fits what, let's face it, is the only stable couple on the show, and one of the most solid, if boring, gay couple on television
All that said, playing out the Skinemax version in my head is fun.
I can't help but feel a little nervous about how a possible love triangle or infidelity would affect the opinions of that percentage of Middle America which is sort of on the fence regarding gay marriage. I'm from a tiny town in Mississippi called Wayside (As in "fell by the...") and I can just hear so many of the people from that town saying, "See? Once we let 'em get married, they're just gonna turn around and get divorced" or "Next, they're gonna wanna be able to marry two guys" or perhaps worst of all, "See? Gays are too promiscuous to get married." I get that it's just a tv show, but unfortunately, the fictional universe in the only exposure that southern small towns (or small towns anywhere I suppose) have regarding gay culture and its concerns. I'm not articulating this particularly well, but I think the gist is gettin' through the strainer.
I guess I'd just hate to see anything happen to the only (as far as I know) legally married primetime couple.
The writers have been so lazy with Kevin/Scotty. Scotty used to challange Kevin a lot more when they first met, even up to the wedding, then they got married and the writers chopped off Scotty's balls and he forgot how to be a man. I have seen brief glimpses of the old Scotty, but he has yet to return.
I think there would be more conflict with Jason and Chad because of their backgrounds, but I am sure those characters would end up in the same way, just a little further down the track.
I will say this, I always thought Kevin came in second when it came to Jason and Chad, they always had other priorities, they may make conflict, but you can have a strong loving couple who respect each other and still have conflict. The writers need to stop being so lazy. Make Scotty a more rounded character, and bring some fire back to the relationship. The same thing has happened to Kitty, I actually liked her in season 1, then she got married and now she is so boring.
Maybe all the writers hate marriage and this is represented in the show, either people remain single and interesting or get married and lose their personalities.
I agree. I don't consider Kevin and Scotty boring together at all, when they have something to do. When given actual material, they are a loving and committed couple, with the occasional clash in personality, temperament or priorities. That, to me, is much more interesting, conducive to long-term storylines, and "ground-breaking" than Chad's closet crisis or the Jason/Kevin (largely off-screen) romantic comedy (cute-meet! we hate each other! no, we love each other!) ever was.
The problem comes with the writing, especially in the later half of this season. The writers haven't given them anything to work with. I've never bought into the idea that fictional couples have to become boring and neutered as soon as they get together, but these writers are proving that cliche right. If they had some creativity and talent in that crew, we wouldn't be stuck with some tired threesome and/or infidelity plot.
And, as others have mentioned, I find it incredibly annoying that Kevin and Scotty's first story in such a long time probably revolves around the temptation of either cheating or open marriage. While this may be a realistic question for many gay couples, it's not a universal one. It's also not true to what we know about these two characters at all. And it's hard enough to convince some people that gay marriage should be recognized as equally valid without having a well-known representation of such a relationship become mired in such a potentially damaging storyline.
I'm sorry but I love Scott and Kevin together. Hopefully its something really fast and doesn't affect their relationship. lol. Just have him run into Chad gives kevin a friendly kiss and walks away.
While this may be a realistic question for many gay couples, it's not a universal one. It's also not true to what we know about these two characters at all.
Exactly. Scotty made it very clear that when he's exclusive, he's exclusive, Seems to me like being married is about as 'exclusive' as it gets. Kevin seems to be very dedicated to Scotty, his "am I allowed to take Scotty?" (with him to Paris), in case he could start over, comes to mind.
It's not that they are bored with their sex-life, but more that they cannot find the time to be together due to busy work-schedules or they get interrupted (thanks, Sarah!) I don't see how adding Chad to their already limited time-table will benefit their relationship. But I suppose it makes dramatic/comedic tv.
Besides, doesn't Chad have a busy schedule as well? It would seem he's not doing so bad since coming out.
Granted, Kevin hasn't been known for faithfulness in the past and there was the unrealistic and downright insensitive encouragement for his mother to consider an open relationship (his mother - a woman whose husband cheated on her multiple times and for decades). That said, from the beginning of the series ("I don't ask guys out twice who are currently involved") to even the beginning of this season ("If Scotty cheated on me multiple times..."), Kevin has clearly preferred a monogamous relationship. His brothers and sisters and his mother all want and expect that in their relationships as well, even if they have trouble maintaining it. Why is this suddenly a concern for him only?
If the show wants to explore nontraditional marriages, great. I just find it odd that it's the gay characters - and Roger, who is hardly a shining example of an honest and healthy open relationship - who are the only ones considering it. And personally, I'm tired of all shows, but B&S especially, relying so heavily on the 3rd party as a source of conflict. This season, they dealt with problematic in-laws, figuring out finances and living arrangements, conflicting work schedules and other priorities, how/whether colleagues acknowledge and respect their marriage, etc. All of these are foundations for interesting storylines, IMO. Unfortunately the writers chose to turn Kevin into a prop for Robert and diminished Scotty to a few sarcastic lines every couple episodes. And now we get this. I'm not impressed.
I would like to see our happy couple more integrated with a social life beyond dinner at Nora's house. I know the focus is on the Walker family and its inexact family numbers, but but was Scotty like before wandered into Kevin'ss life. Did he play in a gay softball league, did he have a sugar Daddy, or an underwear model boyfriend (who might want a three-way, for various reasons), a buddy who he back packed through Europe with, or an ex that realizes he dumped Scotty and shouldn't have. Who do they go out dancing with, or bowling with, or have over for dinner? What are their temptations and distractions? Will they adopt too? How politically active will they get. Scotty has always benn more politically gay than Kevin. Does Kevin meet any Gay Republicans through his work with Robert and how might that playout?
The possibilities are endless, just like real people. I think maybe Kevin and Scotty need their own spin-off series just to address these and other issues. Now there is something to dream about.
Thank God Chad's there to spice things up a little. Scotty's become such a sleeping pill. I'm happy with Kevin and Scotty as a committed couple but I hope this wakes Scotty up a little. And next time Kevin wants to make out with him he does not prefer to answer the door instead.
Rachel Griffiths
Do they want us to pretend she's not preggers? It's kind of difficult to miss...how could they not use that perfectly good potted plant behind her?
Is Chad on his way to audition for Danny in Grease?
Love Jason
Too good to be true
We are actually going to have a story focused around Kevin and Scotty, it is really hard to remember the last time their was a major gay story line since the ceremony. I hope to see tons and tons scotty in the coming weeks.
How slim are the chances of the Scotty-Kevin-Chad triangle going the way of the Melanie-Lindsay-Biker Chick triangle on QAF. A guy can dream can't he.:]
Leda was WAY too hot for the
According to Entertainment Weekly, they ARE going there
Well, I don't know if they actually DO, but Jason Lewis character apparently proposes the idea to Kevin and Scotty. Cue the "Is this good for the gays or not" question/dialogue while I wrap my imagination around the possibilities...
Oooo interesting. In an
i agree,don't really like
i agree,don't really like Kevin and Scotty together,they are boring.Kevin and Chad are better suited.
Chad never even liked Kevin
The Truth Is...
Well, it's darn unlikely we'll see a 3-way with Robert's brother
He was a priest, after all, and THAT would probably cause America's head to collectively explode. :)
Which then brings up the question: is it better to have a 3-way with a former lover and your current squeeze, where it's very clear that things are "over" relationship-wise with the ex and you're just having a good, hot time? Or is it better to bring in a rookie/newbie, have fun, and then show them the door, and assume that there will be no future emotional entanglements? (True confession: I did the former.)
What is Sarah
I don't like it
Matthew Ryhs!
Omg he's so goregous...and have you seen clips of him on youtube talking with his Welsh accent???
Matthew Ryhs is one of my dream men lol
Yeah, I don't have anything valid to add. Maybe if they did do a love triangle it would be negative as they are the only gays on the show, and they're protrayed as unfaithful and unstable. But, at the same time, the straights go through that too, and it probably reinforces the belief that our relationships have the same ups and downs as theirs.
wow...
Wary
I'm very wary about this episode. Although Chad grew on me eventually, it's a toss-up in my opinion as to whether he or Jason was more controlling and selfish. So, I don't particularly want to see him back on the show. Further, with the "quality" of this season, I don't know if I have the faith in the writers to pull this off. And finally, I don't want to see anything mess up Kevin and Scotty, because I love them together.
That said, I am excited that they might actually have a story for a change. And Chad certainly does look like he's off to a production of Grease.
Why is he back?
Jason Lewis - who I think has lost his looks since SITC the series- gave quite a few interviews where he talked about how he didn't like this role or the kissing scenes. I have disliked him and the character ever since. I am firmly in the Luke MacFarlane support group.
For those of you who think Kevin is better suited for Chad or the Reverend keep in mind that regardless of who he ended up with they would become nuetered. The only reason that Chad seemed edgy was because he was the "toxic" boyfriend that was never supposed to work out.
I think a better way to initiate conflict would have been to introduce Scotty's first love who just happens to own a prestigious resturant and wants Scotty in his kitchen and his bed.
What has he done to himself?
His face is pinched so tight in that closeup. Yikes.
I can't see this being a threeway, and even more annoying, they put Kevin and Scotty on the backburner for 95% of the season and one of their few stories is about this?? Ugh.
Wow, it's great to see Chad
Wow, it's great to see Chad back! I really loved his storyline with Kevin back in season one. I'd really love to see what's going on with his life now that he came out publicly.
As for Kevin and Scotty. I really dislike them as a couple and I find them really boring together so it would be cool to shake things up again. For example, Kevin falling for Chad again and having to choose between him and Scotty.
Shaking things up
You know, I really wanted them to shake things up for our gay power couple, but I really could do without them going down the 3-way route. It's just a bad image to put out there. Not that I don't realize the situation exists in real life, and I actually don't see anything wrong with it, I'm just not sure it fits the audience for the show. I'm not sure that it fits what, let's face it, is the only stable couple on the show, and one of the most solid, if boring, gay couple on television
All that said, playing out the Skinemax version in my head is fun.
I agree, and...
I can't help but feel a little nervous about how a possible love triangle or infidelity would affect the opinions of that percentage of Middle America which is sort of on the fence regarding gay marriage. I'm from a tiny town in Mississippi called Wayside (As in "fell by the...") and I can just hear so many of the people from that town saying, "See? Once we let 'em get married, they're just gonna turn around and get divorced" or "Next, they're gonna wanna be able to marry two guys" or perhaps worst of all, "See? Gays are too promiscuous to get married." I get that it's just a tv show, but unfortunately, the fictional universe in the only exposure that southern small towns (or small towns anywhere I suppose) have regarding gay culture and its concerns. I'm not articulating this particularly well, but I think the gist is gettin' through the strainer.
I guess I'd just hate to see anything happen to the only (as far as I know) legally married primetime couple.
I Agree With Others
The writers have been so lazy with Kevin/Scotty. Scotty used to challange Kevin a lot more when they first met, even up to the wedding, then they got married and the writers chopped off Scotty's balls and he forgot how to be a man. I have seen brief glimpses of the old Scotty, but he has yet to return.
I think there would be more conflict with Jason and Chad because of their backgrounds, but I am sure those characters would end up in the same way, just a little further down the track.
I will say this, I always thought Kevin came in second when it came to Jason and Chad, they always had other priorities, they may make conflict, but you can have a strong loving couple who respect each other and still have conflict. The writers need to stop being so lazy. Make Scotty a more rounded character, and bring some fire back to the relationship. The same thing has happened to Kitty, I actually liked her in season 1, then she got married and now she is so boring.
Maybe all the writers hate marriage and this is represented in the show, either people remain single and interesting or get married and lose their personalities.
Writers' fault
I agree. I don't consider Kevin and Scotty boring together at all, when they have something to do. When given actual material, they are a loving and committed couple, with the occasional clash in personality, temperament or priorities. That, to me, is much more interesting, conducive to long-term storylines, and "ground-breaking" than Chad's closet crisis or the Jason/Kevin (largely off-screen) romantic comedy (cute-meet! we hate each other! no, we love each other!) ever was.
The problem comes with the writing, especially in the later half of this season. The writers haven't given them anything to work with. I've never bought into the idea that fictional couples have to become boring and neutered as soon as they get together, but these writers are proving that cliche right. If they had some creativity and talent in that crew, we wouldn't be stuck with some tired threesome and/or infidelity plot.
And, as others have mentioned, I find it incredibly annoying that Kevin and Scotty's first story in such a long time probably revolves around the temptation of either cheating or open marriage. While this may be a realistic question for many gay couples, it's not a universal one. It's also not true to what we know about these two characters at all. And it's hard enough to convince some people that gay marriage should be recognized as equally valid without having a well-known representation of such a relationship become mired in such a potentially damaging storyline.
Stop Shaking it up.
I'm sorry but I love Scott and Kevin together. Hopefully its something really fast and doesn't affect their relationship. lol. Just have him run into Chad gives kevin a friendly kiss and walks away.
Kevin & Scotty
Exactly. Scotty made it very clear that when he's exclusive, he's exclusive, Seems to me like being married is about as 'exclusive' as it gets. Kevin seems to be very dedicated to Scotty, his "am I allowed to take Scotty?" (with him to Paris), in case he could start over, comes to mind.
It's not that they are bored with their sex-life, but more that they cannot find the time to be together due to busy work-schedules or they get interrupted (thanks, Sarah!) I don't see how adding Chad to their already limited time-table will benefit their relationship. But I suppose it makes dramatic/comedic tv.
Besides, doesn't Chad have a busy schedule as well? It would seem he's not doing so bad since coming out.
Kevin/Scotty
Granted, Kevin hasn't been known for faithfulness in the past and there was the unrealistic and downright insensitive encouragement for his mother to consider an open relationship (his mother - a woman whose husband cheated on her multiple times and for decades). That said, from the beginning of the series ("I don't ask guys out twice who are currently involved") to even the beginning of this season ("If Scotty cheated on me multiple times..."), Kevin has clearly preferred a monogamous relationship. His brothers and sisters and his mother all want and expect that in their relationships as well, even if they have trouble maintaining it. Why is this suddenly a concern for him only?
If the show wants to explore nontraditional marriages, great. I just find it odd that it's the gay characters - and Roger, who is hardly a shining example of an honest and healthy open relationship - who are the only ones considering it. And personally, I'm tired of all shows, but B&S especially, relying so heavily on the 3rd party as a source of conflict. This season, they dealt with problematic in-laws, figuring out finances and living arrangements, conflicting work schedules and other priorities, how/whether colleagues acknowledge and respect their marriage, etc. All of these are foundations for interesting storylines, IMO. Unfortunately the writers chose to turn Kevin into a prop for Robert and diminished Scotty to a few sarcastic lines every couple episodes. And now we get this. I'm not impressed.
A threesome is not a socail life
I would like to see our happy couple more integrated with a social life beyond dinner at Nora's house. I know the focus is on the Walker family and its inexact family numbers, but but was Scotty like before wandered into Kevin'ss life. Did he play in a gay softball league, did he have a sugar Daddy, or an underwear model boyfriend (who might want a three-way, for various reasons), a buddy who he back packed through Europe with, or an ex that realizes he dumped Scotty and shouldn't have. Who do they go out dancing with, or bowling with, or have over for dinner? What are their temptations and distractions? Will they adopt too? How politically active will they get. Scotty has always benn more politically gay than Kevin. Does Kevin meet any Gay Republicans through his work with Robert and how might that playout?
The possibilities are endless, just like real people. I think maybe Kevin and Scotty need their own spin-off series just to address these and other issues. Now there is something to dream about.
That's all I am saying...
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