"House" bromance makes the cover of TVGuide
So it's official: Nonsexual romances between straight men are inoffensive enough to make the cover of TVGuide, a magazine that back in the day was about as progressive as the Lillian Vernon mail-order catalogue. Yes, the relationship between Dr. House (Hugh Laurie) and That Guy from Dead Poets Society (Robert Sean Leonard) is the topic of the weekly's lead story. The interview itself is a curious one, with the guys discussing the close emotional relationship that has made their two characters so popular while at the same time downplaying how interesting it is. Check out the first lines of the piece: TVGuide: Gentlemen, can this bromance be saved? Nice save, Hugh. Throughout the article he definitely seems the more comfortable of the two in discussing the topic (Leonard actually compares their characters' relationship to Cesar Millan and his pitbull). But really, is it a logical jump from bromance to gay? Doesn't the very term "bromance" imply heterosexuality? Close emotional relationships between straight men seem to be less laden with "gay panic" than they used to ... or outside of this interview they are, anyway. Is anyone a fan of House and of this relationship? I'm curious to hear if people think that labeling it a "bromance" in any way implies that the characters are anything but heterosexual men who are fond of one another. Submitted by on Tue, 2008-10-07 13:28. |
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Well, it implies one is straight at least...
I wouldn't say it required two straight men, but at least one - Bronny on MMAS had one gay, one straight. It got me to thinking, so I went to urbindictionary.com and looked it up. Seven total separate definitions imply heterosexuality in the relationship, and one gives a theoretical origin:
- Provenance/Origin: "Bromance" is a portmanteau of the two words "brother" and "romance". Originally coined by author/editor Dave Carnie in "Big Brother Magazine." Big Brother was a sort of R ratedskateboarding/skate culture magazine that was eventually purchased by Larry Flynt's Hustler conglomerate and consequently taken out ofcirculation due to unsatisfactory sales performance. Carnie used the word on several occasions to describe relationships between skate-buddies who spent a lot of time together and/or shared hotel rooms on every tour/skate road trip.
Then there's that stupid Brody Jenner reality show, theoretically straight. When it comes to House, I tend to think of it as destructively codependent more than a bromance. Whatever it is, it's certainly entertaining.Interesting origin
Here's Hugh and his Old Bro Stephen Fry on "Gay"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0HcbOMqvK2M&feature=related
Oh...
House/Wilson
I also think that the show could definitely go in the direction of House/Wilson being in a real relationship if the writers chose to go that way because the subtext is already there (even the pilot episode of House was slash-tastic.) Evidence: last season when House nearly kills himself and says to Wilson: "I Love You."
Unfortunately, it seems that the writers/directors etc of House will never be courageous enough to go to that level. *sigh*
Hugh Laurie Is Game
Hugh Laurie seems to be far more comfortable with the idea than Robert Sean Leonard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI6a7BHR36g
Also, according to this young woman, the writers for the show know exactly what they are doing and are more than happy to have people view the House/Wilson relationship as romantic.
http://community.livejournal.com/house_wilson/908506.html
Fry & Laurie Hobros?
Hugh Laurie seems to be far more comfortable with the idea than Robert Sean Leonard.
well, why shouldn't he. He is in a bromance in real life (okay, HObromance... you guys love your categories, don't you? ) Check out Mr Ehrensteins link or this Hugh Laurie Fanpage . Including statements like:
"The best thing that could have happened to me, both in career terms and emotionally. He is absolutely my best friend. " Fry on Laurie
"I don't think I would have gone through this career without him. I'll take the bull by the horns and say I love him." Laurie on Fry
Actually I don't quite get this "bromance"-thing. Why does a bromance imply heterosexuality? Can't two gay guys have a bromance because they would call themselves sisters? (just kidding, just in case...) Why does it need a name of its own? Why is it worth mentioning at all?
(Or do you simply not want to share one and the same categorie with straight guys? another "just kidding, just in case" ;-) )
questions, questions...
Btw I guess the reason, why Mr Leonard's thoughts directly went to homosexuality is because he has read some of the House/Wilson-slashfiction....
Speaking of Fry and Laurie --
indeed, sir
hugh laurie
Just for the record...
Robert Sean Leonard's career has been rather more expansive than just 'That Guy from Dead Poets Society'. I only point this out because his long, successful career has been very gay-positive; he won his Tony for playing a gay man, he narrated a audiobook whose main character was gay, and of course he starred in In The Gloaming. Also, one of his pet charities is Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS.
Just want to make it clear that Leonard is completely gay-friendly, however he may come across in this interview. Other interviews put this one in better context; if I'm remembering correctly, there was even one where he jokingly said he wouldn't mind making out with Laurie, and another stating that he found Laurie's real accent sexy (I think the quote went something like "humina humina humina").
Maybe you can tell I'm a fan. ;) I find the House and Wilson relationship fascinating, and it's become pretty much the reason I watch the show. It's extremely intense. The biggest problem I have with the term 'bromance' here is actually that it doesn't cover all the levels of dependence and screwed-upedness between these two. (And yeah, I resent the implied downplay of a romantic relationship as well.)
Just to be clear
Proud House/Wilson Shipper
Did I mention I love House/Wilson? Did I mention that it is my ONLY TV ship. HL/RSL aka House and Wilson have the type of chemistry you just can't create. The two actors/characters are just awesome together. The het ships on House just completely turn me off because so much of it is about will they or won't they and then when they do we have to watch them do the hot and sweaty bump and grind. There's no foundation there other than lust. But House/Wilson has that enduring relational quality. The House/Wilson relationship is hot and sexy and powerful and funny and heartbreaking and intense and reassuring. It's sort of universal whether or not its get physical onscreen. We have all had a relationship like that - no matter what our orientation.
A lot of people went a little batshit crazy over RSL's comment groaning about homosexuality. But I took it as a way to not telegraph where the writers might be going with the relationship. There's spoiler from one of the writers, our own St. Doris where Wilson does something in the H/W makeup episode that she thought for sure the Fox folks would take out and they didn't. Also, RSL won a Tony for the Invention of Love which was about a man who was in love with his best friend. So please everyone calm down.
Honestly, I could not watch House, the show if it were not for the House/Wilson relationship. Really, I even like it better than my other fav characters on Brothers & Sisters, Kevin and Scotty. And that's saying something.
Also, House/Wilson is the most popular ship in the House fandom. Check out the House/Wilson LJ slash community.
I've always thought Wilson would make a great boyfriend.
I can understand his "obsessed with homosexuality" crack. He's an accomplished actor who's doing an excellent protrayal of his character and all the hacks want to dish about is that there might be some sort of gay undertones going on.
It was handled much better on a "Scrubs" episode. J.D. says to Turk that they are not married, and Turk responds, "We're a little married" to which J.D. replies, "I know I love it."
Joshua Norton
San Francisco
Ouch
Ouch, a bit harsh on RSL there. The possibility of a House/Wilson relationship has been brought up many times in RSL and HL interviews and that's obviously what RSL was referencing/joking about in the TV Guide interview. (well, that's the impression [i]I[/i] got anyways). House and Wilson being gay seems to be a hot topic at the moment, especially with season 5's recent Wilson/House arc. So RSL's comment (connecting "bromance to "gay") isn't as "out of the blue" as it might seem.
Plus, I think both HL and RSL enjoy "stringing along the fans" with little hints that House and Wilson's friendship might turn into something more. Heck, the possibility of the characters being gay has been brought up in the show quite a few times.
Straight Guys In Love
Or at least that's how I'd categorize the relationship, pretty much like the Sean/Christian relationship on Nip/Tuck. Including the fucked up co-dependency stuff actually.
And yes the show itself pushes that context more than just a 'bromance' angle, right down to Wilson not only dating a female 'version' of House(that was commented on) to the two of them fighting over and eventually 'sharing' Wilson.
I figure the show has two choices, one which is to keep the inuendo in and manage not to alienate anyone, shipper or not, or actually put it on the table, like Nip/Tuck did, and then dismiss it,(and probably alienate everybody).
I'm still waiting to find the show brave enough to go there with established characters, but I'll probably be old and gray before there is one, at least on American television.
Straight guys in love...
I'm still waiting to find the show brave enough to go there with established characters, but I'll probably be old and gray before there is one, at least on American television.
Homicide: Life on the Street sort of went there with an established character, Tim Bayliss, way back in 1998 - he had always had a very close, ambiguous relationship with his detective partner, Frank Pembleton, and eventually the show outed Bayliss as bisexual, while continuing to explore his feelings for Pembleton. In fact Bayliss tried to date a character who was a, um, male version of Pembleton (another male version!) I wrote about it here:
http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/TV/2006/11/homicide.html
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