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Liveblogging and video of As the World Turns' big gay kiss!
That's right, folks: Michael's only been gone a week and already I've lost my mind and am taking a crack at Liveblogging today's historic episode of As the World Turns, in which gay teen Luke Snyder (Van Hansis) has the first gay teen male kiss in daytime history with his friend Noah (Jake Silbermann). Now, I had never seen the show prior to the gay love story's introduction, and I've never watched any scenes not directly involving Luke and Noah. So this is gonna get ugly. To get up-to-date ... er ... updates on what's happening as it's happening, just refresh the page. See how I said that like I know it's going to work and it sounded totally believable? Amazing. *-*-SPOILERS, NATCH-*-* Just click through the jump for the ongoing magic... Okay, I just watched the kiss again IN THE INTEREST OF GAY ENTERTAINMENT JOURNALISM, thank you, and it lasts a full five seconds. Noah makes the first move, and after a quick peck, Luke draws back in surprise, then gives in. It's totally great. Oh, and after that, Blonde Cougar tried to get PDEF out of the Malt-O-Meal ... er, quicksand ... and while saving the kid fell in herself, and went under. Burble. 2:59 EDT: And that's it! Guess they opted not to use the "dad walks in on the kissing boys" ending, but we do see in the preview for next week that Luke may tell Maddie about the kiss, and Noah's dad apparently sees something that shocks him through a window. And that's it! The kiss was actually surprisingly tender and kinda hot -- and shot in full, loving close-up. Any concerns about the gay story being danced around should be put to rest. Thanks for putting up with my babbling -- we'll be back to follow the fallout on ATWT next week! 2:55 EDT:
2:53 EDT: BC has found PCEF -- he was on a leftover set from Gilligan's Island, and he's somehow managed to get himself into a quicksand pit! Before you can say Pitfall Joe, we cut to commercial. Another Army ad. Eh? Oooh! Rusty Joiner! That's more like it. Maddie and Noah's dad are waiting for Noah in a fancy sitting room. They make very awkward small-talk. Maddie is clearly not enjoying the experience. Noah's dad says he wishes he had more kids (Maddie has 6 siblings) and says that Maddie turned out beautifully despite not coming from an Army family. He then confesses that he thought that Noah might have been lying when he said he had a girlfriend, just to make him happy. Maddie confesses that Noah is why she's staying in Oakdale, which impresses his father, who then notices how late Noah is, leading him into another tirade. Back at the station, Luke hands Noah the most Republican tie in daytime history. Luke moves to tie the tie for Noah, and their eyes meet. Luke asks what's wrong, Noah mumbles "nothing..." And... They kiss!!! 2:42 EDT: Maria Menounos trusts Pantene Expressions, and it warms my heart in unexpected ways. Rapidly losing interest and increasingly needing to make water. Fortunately, the himbo-happy Cane preview snaps me back to life. Lily blames herself for everything going back through Vatican II. I'm tempted to agree with her. Hey -- it's Luke! He got Noah and Maddie lunch! Noah obviously still doesn't want to have anything to do with him. Noah is going to be late for lunch, he realizes, and he scrambles to get out. Luke offers to get him a tie from wardrobe and tells Noah to relax. Luke smiles and somewhere a baby kitten spontaneously bursts to life out of thin air. 2:37 EDT: Back at the house, Austin is on the phone with someone, stressing, "S as in Sam!" Er ... how many S's are in Sam, anyway? Grizzly catches BC and the chase is on! Hey -- can anyone tell me if that Nasonex bee is voiced by Antonio Banderas? What's this Kid Nation show? Because if there's one thing we've been missing, it's a reality show based on Lord of the Flies. And where the hell is Luke? He's on his lunch break, sure. But where did he go for lunch, Provincetown? BC gives Grizzly a steampipe blast to the face and then whacks him on the back of the head with a wrench. To summarize: Miss Denim, in the Basement, with the Wrench. Back at the station, Maddie tries to bow out of lunch but papa isn't letting her. She finally relents and the kids agree to meet him at the hotel (and he tells Noah to put on a tie). She mentions that she'll have Luke cover like a good gay sidekick. Noah and Maddie kiss. EEEEEW! 2:28 EDT: Oh -- it's that Tampax commercial where the women upgrade to the closet from Ugly Betty, a gay gym, and ... a gay tampon? Back at Elm Street. Ugh. Last time I had to watch this, I suggested creating a drinking game for whenever anyone said "J.J." Same goes here. I'm so sick of hearing the name that I'm referring to the kid as PCEF (Pre-Curse Edward Furlong). Grizzly returns and catches PCEF loose, with the Blonde Cougar hiding. Back at the hotel, Lily pulls hooker patrol duty and bounces the lady lobbyist. Back at the station, Noah tells his dad that he's not joining the Army. His dad admits he doesn't think Noah's ambitions are worthwhile and Noah says he's proud of his dad's service but that it's not his thing. Maddie comes back at just the wrong moment and Noah's dad's all, "Who's this little tart?!" He didn't realize that Noah had a girlfriend and is obviously pleased -- he offers to take the kids out to lunch. Hmm. Think pops was just afraid Noah was a 'mo and now that he thinks he's straight he'll lay off the Army thing? 2:19 EDT: Noah asks his father what "you want to make a man out of me" means. His dad lays some crap on him about how he told Noah not to cry when he was two and he didn't cry and that made him proud (uh -- paging Dr. Spock, Dr. Freud, and Dr. Phil). Noah thinks this means his dad is going to let him go to Northwestern, but his dad says if he wants to be a filmmaker he needs to experience hardship. Uh -- sorry, but I went to film school and everyone I knew thought "hardship" was only having a Platinum Amex rather than a Black Amex. His dad then says he's giving him a cash gift with which he can do what he wants, which doesn't sound like hardship -- but the catch is that he has to join the Army. Meanwhile, back at the hotel, Lily seals the deal with the creepy lobbyist woman, who it turns out is actually a hooker. Oops! In her defense, I think the terms are occasionally interchangeable in Washington as well. 2:12 EDT: Back on Elm Street, JJ fakes an asthma attack to cover up his mom's fumble. The kidnappers fantasize about having air conditioning and a white picket fence in something that sounds more like a scene from Les Miserables than a kidnapping drama. Jacob taunts DCC and encourages her to take the money and run, and she decides to. It's like reverse Stockholm Syndrome. Blonde Cougar gets to JJ and the music oddly sounds like the repetitive background music from the Resident Evil games. Back at the house, Austin has his shirt on, so I'm playing with the cat. No, that's not a euphemism. 2:07 EDT: OOOH! Shirtless Austin Peck! Not in a towel, but shirtless nonetheless. They at least know who's tuning in today. Oh -- before that, Lily (Luke's mom) was accosted by some creepy woman about having a bunch of politicians stay at the hotel. Then we move to Freddy Kruger's boiler room, where Grizzly Adams and Dimestore Claudia Christian are complaining about not having better accommodations -- apparently kidnappers in this town are usually treated to free rooms at Embassy Suites. Suddenly the Blonde Cougar, in what looks to be a full-body denim outfit, kicks over what sounds like an empty oil drum on the cement stairs. She sees her kid chained to the boiler. CUT TO COMMERCIAL! Ad for the Army. Um ... somebody didn't do their market research for this particular timeslot. 2:02 EDT: Okay, here we go. Already, the preview for ATWT that just ran involved kidnapping, a hot cougar punching out Grizzly Adams, and a kid in quicksand. I can't believe this show has been missing from my life for so long. In the opening moments, Noah and Maddie chat on the set of the show. Noah and Maddie are talking about their Film in Social Change class and Maddie runs off to the registrar to sign up. Suddenly, Noah's dad shows up and says he wants to know just what it is that's keeping Noah in town. He makes another mention of "making a man out of him". Ooooooooooh... Submitted by on Fri, 2007-08-17 14:05. |
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great recap!
FYI - cheri the hooker is played by one of the greatest actresses in soap history, ROBIN MATTSON. she played "heather" on AMC, "janet" on GH, and the greatest lunatic bitch in all of soapdom "GINA" on Santa Barbara.
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I was wondering...
Awesome Kiss and Recap
Wow..what a Kiss!!! Actually two kisses. They pecked and then looked at each other as if to say...Wow, that was nice, let's do it again. Very sexy!!! Way to go Luke!!! If you get tired of Noah, I'm available! :)
Awesome Kiss and Recap - 4 kisses
Wow..what a Kiss!!! Actually two kisses. They pecked and then looked at each other as if to say...Wow, that was nice, let's do it again. Very sexy!!! Way to go Luke!!! If you get tired of Noah, I'm available! :)
Since today's kiss was taped separately from Friday's kiss, there were then at least 4 kisses. Then there were the retakes and rehearsal kisses. Must have exchanged a lot of spit...
And the next time we see Van, I'll certainly let him know that you're available! I'm sure it'll be fun to swap Massachusetts stories....
Whooo Hooo
AHHHHHHH
i started screaming when they kissed. then i heard footsteps running, only to see my mom with a terrified face. she thought something horrible had happened to me. OOPS
either way, yay! :-D
double yay!
A long time coming, and worth the wait.
And snicks, thanks for the hot trivia on the pushy prostitute. And your new avatar makes me incredibly happy. Zuni Fetish represent.
*SQUEE!!*
I melted when they kissed. I was pleased that it was a real kiss too, not just a peck. They really went for it. It felt kind of cool to witness a piece of TV history. Yay for boys kissing on TV!
Oh, and great live blog, Brian! (Psst... watch your back, Michael...)
Kiss and Beyond
LOL I was disappointed. Both of their mouths were closed while they kissed. The run up to the kiss was sexy with Luke tieing Noah's tie and their desire for one another.
I think Noah's dad knows he is gay. His dad gave a speech to him about how he wanted to "make a man" out of Noah by having him join the Army. Then when Maddie showed up his dad was delighted and wanted to leave them alone. Later in the show his dad talked to Maddie about Noah being the only child and how that's the way it was supposed to be. I think these are all hints that his dad wants Noah to live as a straight person and pass the family genes on. When Noah rejects his father's plans his father will go ballistic.
Soaps Usually Don't.....
use tongue, so the fact that their mouths were closed wasn't a surprise. The kiss was pretty hot and much more intense than I expected. And the steamy look Noah gave Luke before he went for it was very nice. Kudos to the show for not shying away from the physical stuff and to the actors for going for it. They said that their Luke and Noah's relationship should as physical as anyone else's and they were true to their word.
As for Noah's dad, it's obvious he knows is son is gay or is leaning in that direction. His shock at Noah having a girlfriend and his belief that Noah was lying about it to please him spoke volumes. And I think he's not going to react well when he finds out that Noah's only male friend is gay.
Looking forward to Monday.....
Anthony
Kisses
Noah kissed Maddie earlier in the show and his mouth was open much more. I'm hoping Luke and Noah become more passionate as their relationship devolops.
The last couple minutes of the show were really funny. A boy was stuck up to his head in quick sand. His mom tries to rescue him by throwing clothes at his head. Somehow he is able to grab the clothes with his hands where by his mother loses her balance and falls into the quick sand. The boy is then miraculously thrown out of the quick sand by his mother.
this was a first kiss...
dime store claudia christian
WHOA! i'm watching it again, and i just realized that the character of the female kidnapper is played by none other than YANCY BUTLER! for those who don't remember, yancy was the "next big thing" about five years ago. she starred in the tv series "WITCHBLADE", and looked like she was on her way to stardom....and then...she was found intoxicated, and incoherent, wandering in and out of traffic, like a combo of anne heche and michelle rodriguez. she went into "extended rehab", they canceled her show...and that was the last i saw of her until now, where she's playing basically a bit part in a soap.
it's a shame.
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Yancy!
Holy cats, you're right! You know, I'd almost feel bad about calling her a Dimestore Clauda Christian, but let's face it: WITCHBLADE was no NEVER ON TUESDAY. I do love Yancy, though -- she was in SAVAGE WEEKEND, one of the most bizarre horror movies ever made, as a young girl. The movie has a smack-talking gay character who beats the crap out of some rednecks at a bar -- has to be seen to be believed.
Thanks for the info!
And Danny Pintauro's "dad" as Col. Mayer!
Ok, I'm beaming from ear to ear! That was so much hotter than I expected it to be, and I loved that it was presented with the same amount of romanticism as any other soap couple's first kiss.
Not only do we get soap legend Robin Mattsen and B-movie queen Yancy Butler, but also Daniel Hugh Kelly (Hardcastle & McCormick, Danny Pintauro's dad in Cujo) as Noah's Army dad. Great stuff!
Finally they did it
Flagged by YouTube's user community.
LukeVanFan Video has been Flagged it got up to Views: 111,243
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVsX9RnoHGk Don't for get you have confirm your birth date
are ya kidding me? UGH
i have to confirm my birthdate? why? oh, riiiight. because luke rips off noah's shirt, chains him to the wall and stuffs his hand down his pants.
duh liz. *RME*
kiss
You know I'm quite surprised
Hints of Noah Being Gay / Chilhood hints
Yes, there were hints of gay childhood crushes and a possible gay relationship. When Noah first arrived, he told Maddie of this childhood male neighbor who was perfect in every way: star athlete, scholar, etc. He gushed about the bloke, suggesting a crush. You can see it in one of the first Noah videos I have on YouTube.
Then, when he went back to Branson, there was a bloke named Gabe (note the Biblical names: Luke, Noah and Gabe) who expressed surprise that Noah had returned given his history there. They had worked at the local theater together. He was about Noah's age and appeared to be on steroids <g>. He struck many viewers as gay. In an interesting backstage scene, Luke gave him a sidelook suggestive of Gaydar.
In the real world, studies do show that parents -- especially mothers -- often suspect a male child's homosexuality before he realizes it. Many parents block it out, of course. Many, if not most gay children exhibit some gender atypical behavior at that age -- before they realize that society forbids it. An interesting study found that mothers actually remember more childhood gay or gender atypical behaviors than the gay men themselves. A possible explanation is that gay teens block out these memories as they learn that they're tabooed. References available upon request.
A hot kiss
They must of deactivated the
They must of deactivated the Flag
count is Views: 149,181
Its Back
Homophobe flag...
Excellent Idea!
Perhaps we can sic the flying monkeys on them if they don't change this discriminatory policy.
Homophobe flag / YouTube Deleted my ATWT Video
Actually it gets worse, but I don't know if the root is homophobia. As you can see below, Part 1 of my 7-10-07 ATWT video was DELETED for "INAPPROPRIATE CONTENTS. " Strangely, Part 2 of that same episode stayed. This was footage that aired on national TV, so what was"inapropriate"???? Note that this was not a copyright complaint, but something that involved obscenity or the like. I got into a 2 week exchange with administrators, demanding to know what triggered the deletion. All all got were cut-and-paste responses saying that the contents was offensive. zdo much so that it surpassed flagging and got deleted. ?One reply said that someone complained, and they CONFIRMED the violation so "IT WAS NO MISTAKE." Furthermore, they warned me they were "SERIOUS." Yet not once would they tell me what the offensive scene was.
Gwen's (Jennifer Landon) solo performance and duet with Andy Williams has been edited out to a separate video. I uploaded it for continuity but the performance had nothing to do with Luke or Noah. Noah's ambiguously-gay friend Gabe makes an appearance though.
Of note is the scene where Luke restrains Cleo. Although Van Hansis and Jennifer Landon are close friends and often appear together at gay events, Gwen and Luke have had very few scenes together. That is partially due to her dislike for Jade, who is Luke's cousin. Luke's restraint of Cleo is probably the closest the two actors have ever worked.
Google to find photos of Landon and Hansis at events. There are several photos of them and Jake Silbermann (Noah) at a GLAAD event. Playing a gay teen makes Hansis an obvious participant at gay function. Landon's connection is not so obvious. It may be due to her half-brother, openly-gay Christopher Landon. He wrote the recent hit movie, Disturbia. Their father was the wholesome Michael Landon (Little House on the Prarie; Highway to Heaven). (more) (less)
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To play devil's advocate;I
To play devil's advocate;
I think if a video gets flagged, it's automatically protected until one of the people from YouTube can check it out and see if its inappropriate or not. I'm assuming that once the video gets checked out, it'll probably be unflagged.
Rock on ATWT!
Okay, I've watched it about twenty times now-such a sweet kiss. So far I really like how the show is handling the developing relationship. Emphasizing that Maggie is not in love with Noah, making some of the issues Noah might have about being gay clear through his father's behavior, and having Luke handle the whole thing very maturely so far. I like that Noah is the one to initiate the kiss as well, especially after his father has just shown up, when he should be the most frightened away from Luke.
I admit I wasn't crazy about the idea of Luke hooking up with someone not certain of his own sexuality, or certain of it, but firmly in the closet because it sounds like a path of nothing but heartbreak-typical of the soaps, but Luke's opportunities for relationships are going to be hugely limited as compaired to other characters. Noah may in fact be all he gets. Again the fact that Noah stood firm against his father's attempts to force him into military service and kissed Luke the same after noon, gives me hope that they might get a happy ending.
All in all, ATWT has already handled this a 100 % better than General Hospital handled their gay Luke story line, so kudos to them.
Sorry, double post.
Sorry, double post.
Still Flagged
Finally...
It was a long time coming but FINALLY a couple of blokes on US TV can lock lips on a daytime SOAP.
It's also nice to see there hasn't really been much of a backlash from the media or public. Maybe some comments up on the internet, but nothing to get shaken about. I think what the producers over at ATWT should do is take a page from the folks over at ABC's Brothers & Sisters and just do the storyline without much fuss or publicity...that way I think you can have more of an in depth relationship story with Luke and Noah without drawing attention to itself. Although, I think ATWT doesn't mind the publicity, they more or less put out a bulletin flagging themselves as the 'FIRST' daytime gay kiss. And how often does a daytime SOAP get publicity surrounding a so called 'controversial' storyline on primetime entertainment shows?
I don't watch ATWT, but I did see the kiss on YouTube and thought it to be very nicely done. Why the hell it's flagged is beyond me, there are so many more gay kisses on YouTube which are deeper and of a longer duration and they're not flagged. So I don't get the reasoning behind this move.
Today's Kiss video / Give Noah a break! / Silbermann video
I dunno if any link has already been posted but here is mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWhe7L390U
Here are some random notes I associated with the video. It's disjointed because YouTube limits posts to 500 chars.
Some have said today's kiss is hotter than the last one...
Van Hansis said that today's continuation kiss and Friday's cliffhanger were taped in different takes. He added that sharp-eyed viewers will see differences. Wow; they got to kiss twice, not to mention the retakes!
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GREAT JAKE SILBERMANN VIDEO INTERVIEW
www.cbs.com/innertube/index.php?src=email&vid=143651&format= rm|wmv
www.cbs.com/daytime/atwt/
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I like Luke, but he needs to give Noah a break. He just had an UNEXPECTED kiss in the OFFICE (imagine how awkward that is even if it was heterosexual!), his father is in town, and he's very late. Yet Luke wants to chat???
And I wonder about his motives: Is he warning Maddie because they're good friends, or is it because he wants Noah? I asked the same thing when he was upset at Maddie for canceling Weslyan.
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Noah was in shock and fear. He just did the something that conflicts with something that he is about to do (Luke vs Father). It's a variant of "gay panic," a recognized psychopathology. Several people I've counseled have actually used the joke excuse.
Noah's defensive reaction is actually very realistic. Studies have shown that such intense denial is common in those who are deeply closeted. Having his [homophobic?] father in town strengthens the closet. The question is whether he himself believes the lies, or whether they were for Luke.
Guys, give poor Noah a break. In addition to the above "gay panic, keep in mind that Noah still had no idea why his father was in town. It's been less than an hour since the shock of his arrival. And remember that Noah fears his father ("yessir!").
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6:50 - LUKE WATCHES STRAIGHT PORN AT THE OFFICE!!!
Actually, he was only watching because someone pretending to be Dusty sent him the link. The woman in the sex vid is Alli, who dated Luke's half-brother, Aaron.
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You guys need to CONGRATULATE me. My video, Conservative Marine Matt Sanchez was a Gay Porn Whore, is now #9 on YouYube's Most Viewed All Time-News/Politics list with 3,752,955 views. Itstill gets 20-30,000 views daily. Shocking since it was a insignificant news story. I probably won't get higher since losers have posted popular NON-NEWS vids like the Beyonce Pepsi ad, and Paris Hilton with Britany.
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Typical Homophobic ATWT post
hudsonland ranted:
I think this is a DISGUSTING storyline of As the world turns!! I have been--enduring it-- to get to see the other few characters that I do like-- but Fridays episode was more than I can stand!! My limit was reached!! I do not believe in gay/ homosexual related story lines morally or spiritually! So therefore, "MY LAST EPISODE WAS FRIDAY!!!"---It is not worth my time anymore!!!
imdb.com/name/nm2082499/board/flat/7 2745417?d=82976250&p =1#82976250
Can't even take it serious.
geez, if that's all it takes for hudsonland to get worked up, i hope he/ she is never exposed to european soaps like hollyoaks or PRIME TIME television, for that matter :D
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It's Real
It's real and they are serious.
Has anyone actually said anything regarding Youtube's double standard on Youtube? Because everytime their is a problem gay men run away. After Dustin got eliminated from Big Brother 8 I went over to the CBS message boards to check what people were saying. Like usually they were in ecstacy with his eviction calling him all kinds of derogatory names. Where were the gay viewers and posters? I don't know. Here you have a show that is semi-popular with gay viewers and not one of them would stand up against the hateful comments. I had to leave some comments even though I never watched the show. I see this all over the net. And the funny thing is is that when a gay celebrity gets into trouble like George Michael, Boy George etc you have gay people come out of the woodwork and announce they are gay and are embarrassed by what these gay celebrities did. You don't see that in defense of any gay celebrity. Can gay men grow some balls and actually stand up for themselves?
I'm going to write emails to Youtube until I get a response. I suggest others write them as well.
Monday's kiss