Liveblogging "As the World Turns": Liar Liar
That's right, in today's episode Luke's short-lived victory in the dirty race for student body president goes sour as he gets called on the carpet for ballot-stuffing. Busted! But things get really ugly when Luke asks Noah to lie for him to the dean, which Noah isn't willing to do. Of course, those of us who remember Noah's sham wedding (which broke Federal law, not just Oakdale U code of conduct) will find his newfound righteous indignation rather amusing, but let's face it, consistency isn't exactly this show's bread and butter. Will Luke's nasty campaigning spell the end for the most virginal couple in soapdom? Click on through the jump and refresh often to find out, as it happens! Gentlemen, start your double-talking! 2:55PM EST: Luke goes back to the Dean's office and waits, and soon enough Noah comes out with the Dean's hand on his shoulder. He gives Luke an unreadable puppy-dog look, and Luke gives him one right back. It's a glower-down! BlahblahParsley'sachipofftheoldpsychoblah. Preview Time: Luke tells Wheatables that he got expelled. Whoops! We'll be back tomorrow to see how it plays out! 2:48PM EST: The Dean (who looks like he raided Gene Rayburn's wardrobe this morning) tells Luke that this is a serious offense but that if Luke insists that everything is on the up-and-up that's that. Luke calls Butters to tell him that it's under control. Luke gets home to find Noah sitting at the kitchen table rubbing a remote control on his forehead. Luke immediately says "I love you" and tells him that what's done is done, and he needs to know that the two of them are okay. Oh, it's his cell phone - Noah tells him that the Dean just called to ask about the election. Noah says that if he asks if Luke cheated, he's not sure how to answer. Luke asks him to lie, and Noah says he doesn't think he can do that. He says that Luke is the one thing he doesn't think he can lie about ... and leaves. SWELLING DRAMATIC MUSIC. 2:38PM EDT: Hey, it's my favorite Stanley Steemer ad. "TOBY!" Luke runs into Butters, who tells him that Kevin is launching an investigation into the election. He tells him that he has nothing to go on. Luke gets a call from an unknown number ... it's the dean's office calling him in. OH SNAP! QAL drags Parsley into the police station and tells MP2.0 that she wants Dammit! arrested on grounds of child endangerment, child abuse, and God Bless the Child (hers was pitchy). MP2.0 isn't believing the kid's story and runs home to free Dammit! and she tells him what really happened. He either thinks about it or considers eating some Activia, and we fade to black... 2:30P EDT: Dammit!: "Carly, I'm in the closet!" Heh. QAL beats the crap out of the closet door like a mama gorilla protecting her young, whisks away Parsley and leaves Dammit! to rot with the Whosit? and Sorry! boxes. 2:26PM EST: Okay, this whole "and introducing Parsley as the Bad Seed" thing is hot - she just told Dammit! that if she's uncomfortable jammed in the closet it's because she eats too many brownies. And then she calls Quaker Oats Lady and tells her that Dammit! hit her. HA! Back at Java, Luke tries to rationalize his decisions with Noah over a couple of fake pies but doesn't get anywhere. Noah tells him that he's not as cool with his actions as he's pretending to be and that he's lost respect for him. Meanwhile Ali gets out of Butters that they fixed the election and she's not happy with it. Kneepads off! She tells him to "grow the hell up". 2:19PM EST: Dammit! tries to force Parsley to eat a brownie and she's all, "I could eat it but then I'd die, because I'm allergic." ZING! And then Parsley locks her in the closet! Haaaaaaaaaa! Okay, this kid's winning me over. Hey Dammit!, can you check and see if Wheatables is in there? 2:15PM EST: Quaker Oats Lady just said that there would be "pigs in the treetops" before she'd apologize to Dammit!. So not only will pigs have to fly, but they'll have to have been flying for long enough to need a break. And Dammit! just said "espadrilles", which is by far my favorite word in the English language. Wait, is that even English? Meanwhile, Parsley is all, "I don't like Dammit!'s candy apples" and Matthew Perry 2.0 is like, "everyone likes her candy apples." Or has at least tasted them. Back at Java (thank God!) Luke says that he can't turn himself in because Kevin will be President, which would of course be the end of the world. Luke brings up the fairy video again and Noah says he's starting to sound like the bad guys. Luke just called Noah "Mister Righteous" and told him to let him know when his boyfriend got back. Ha! Couldn't have said it better myself. Meanwhile, some tall guy tells Kevin that he was totally robbed in the campaign and Butters and Ali are all, "whaaaah?" and Kevin says that there's going to be an investigation into the election because 98% of the student body voted versus less than 30% the year before. 2:05PM EST: In Maddie Alley, Butters straps a pair of kneepads onto Ali. Oh, be nice - he's teaching her how to skate! Kevin appears and is all, "Luke didn't win!" Over at Java, Luke pops in to see Noah, who doesn't want to talk to him. He tells him that he lied and Luke purrs that there has to be something he can do to fix it. Um ... as much as we'd love to see it, I don't think that make-up sex is particularly appropriate here. Noah tells Luke that he needs to admit that he cheated. In other news, it's a Quaker Oats Lady day, so all is good in the world. Until the announcer says the word "gas" about 30 times when pointing out that today's sponsor is Beano. And here I had Trader Joe's enchiladas for lunch. 2:00PM EST: Aside from the creepy Crank Yankers singing puppets, does anyone find it odd that IO has changed their phone number from 877-393-4448 to 877-333-4001? I mean, why base your entire ad campaign around your phone number if you're going to change it? Submitted by on Tue, 2008-11-11 14:56. |
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Luke and Noah should stuff each other's ballot box
Noah's....
..... Noah's holier than thou attitude is really a bit much to take. The more he talks the less I like him. You'd think he'd never told a lie in his friggin' life!
I love how the phone rang and we heard the danger music before Luke heard anything! LOL!
LYING TO POTENTIALLY SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE JUST ISN"T
THE SAME THING AS LYING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO WIN AN ELECTION.
FURTHER, LUKE AGREED TO THE LIE THAT NOAH AND AMEERA TOLD (AS DID THE ENTIRE SNYDER FAMILY.
NOAH NEVER AGREED TO THE BALLOT STUFF OR TO LYING ABOUT IT.
IT'S JUST NOT A FAIR COMPARISON.
IF MY GIRLFRIEND WANTED TO MARRY A MAN TO SAVE HIM FROM GOING BACK TO A WAR TORN DANGEROUS COUNTRY, I'D SAY YES IN A HEARTBEAT AND I WOULDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT THE WHOLE TIME AFTER THE FACT.
BUT I WOULD NEVER ASK MY GIRLFRIEND TO LIE FOR ME ABOUT SOMETHING I KNOWINGLY DID WRONG THAT EFFECT THE ENTIRE STUDENT BODY OF MY COLLEGE PARTICULARLY IF SHE WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE ACTIONS ABOUT WHICH I'D BE ASKING HER TO LIE.
IF I WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIRTY LIKE STUFF BALLOT BOXES, I JUST WOULDN'T TELL HER ABOUT IT BEFORE OR AFTER THE FACT. IF I GOT CAUGHT, IT WOULD BE ON ME.
"Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." (Dorthy Parker)
I agree with you
I agree with you completely. I was gonna say the same thing but you beat me to it. Morality is anything but cut and dried, and different people will see the same situation differently. But to me there is a HUGE difference between lying to HELP a fellow human being on the one hand (and Noah thought he was literally saving Ameera's life), and lying to cover up a rigged election on the other hand. Put another way, it's lies about helping someone vs. lies about destroying the democratic process.
I'm a bit bothered when people refer to Noah as a traitor, or a snitch or something. It's more the other way around. Luke is being a traitor to Noah by doing something totally reprehensible, and then insisting that Noah join him in the coverup. Who's really thinking only of himself in this situation??? Who's thinking about the "right" thing to do???
I Guess For Me...
I agree
For what it's worth, I
For what it's worth, I totally understand your point, and have a lot of sympathy for it. In fact, though I value honesty highly it's not absolute, and I could see myself possibly lying in that circumstance. However, I totally respect, not despise, a value system that values the truth highly enough to hurt yourself. What you and others aren't quite getting is that Noah is hurting himself, and hurting himself deeply. He is fully aware of that, and yet his value system requires him to do it. Someone said he's thinking of himself, but that's so totally backward. He KNOWS he's endangering his relationship to the most important person in his life. He KNOWS it will hurt the last person on earth he wants to hurt, and that in turn hurts him deeply. You can disagree with what he decided to do, but please don't miss what's really going on in his brain about this.
It bothers me that people seem so nonchalant about the idea of baldly lying to an official investigation into a serious matter. Like I said, I might myself lie in that circumstance. But if I did it would be because in some way I was a coward, valuing my own happiness and comfort above values. I realize I sound like a prude to some, but that's kind of my point - that the idea of valuing truth is seen as being a prude. And that someone who values truth is seen as looking out for himself, despite the resultant pain, and is seen as a traitor.
thanks seanb
You're welcome.....
Is there a particular reason why you feel it necessary
to be so personal and aggressive in your response?
I'm aware that AfterElton's target audience is dudes. I am not one, so maybe my comments aren't always wanted (I'll take that under consideration if in fact that is the implication) . I want to respect the process and not overstep.
I don't assume that every member of this board will read or respond to anything I write.
I wanted to respond to discussion, I was in a rush and I was feeling emphatic. It's not that deep. It's not like I recorded my voice screaming out my post and submitted it as an mp3 to your personal mailbox..
I enjoy the debate, being part of the community and sharing ideas about what I think is a popular culture phenomenon that has significance for all gay people (men and women) particularly young folks.
That's maybe why I care about this story so much because it is the only story of its kind on American television.
Nukely, I have disagreed with you many times but I don't ever recall insulting you personally.
And yes, I do see calling me 14 years old as an insult since you must be fully aware that I am not (given that I've stated my age many times for various reasons)
Also, it's "darcolover", not darclover.
I really didn't intend for anyone to feel like I was screaming at them nor did I mean to annoy anyone, I'm really sorry about that, I know tone and intention are impossible to read sometimes in a posting world.
I will respect the power of capitalization from now one.
Scouts honor.
.Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." (Dorthy Parker)
Okay
Afterelton seems to be one of the few places on the internet that I've found where people actually engage in intelligent discussion. Your reply confirms that.
I think differently...
I DO think that what luke did was wrong and that noah should try to convince luke to give up the presidency. In a way I kind of think that they are both wrong; the way I see a relationship like NUKE is that they should love eachother more then they love themselves. Luke should love noah enough to know that this is hurting him and step down, but at the same time noah should love luke enough to put him above himself. I know a lot of people are saying that noah is helping other people, but I really see him as helping himself (aka his guilt over a possible lie).
And the thing that prompts me to take lukes side in all this is that if you were to keep score then it would be:
Luke backs up noah-1
Noah backs up luke- 0
And by backs up I mean does something that he wishes that he REALLY, REALLY didn't have to do. So in my way of thinking even though luke is in the wrong he would still come out on top of noah if you were to rack'em up.
I know that some people are saying that lying about and election and lying about a sham marriage are not the same, which given their wording of course their not. But how it affects the person is what would be measured here, not the lie itself. That's because the same lie can effect two different people different ways or two different lies can effect two people the same way. So if I were to look back six months ago I would say luke was under much more stress than noah is now. And by MY logic that makes the lie bigger.
Even though some people may not see it that way, I do. This is why it is never good to place morals as absolutes, you would go crazy after about 10 min.
Noah is shallow
If Noah abhors what Luke has become, he needs to leave. That's the high road. Punishing Luke for it on the way out the door is horrible. He is going to walk away from Luke weather he lies for him or not. Sorry, but Luke has done nothing so wrong that he deserves a boyfriend as shallow as Noah is acting..
God Bless the Child
"hers was pitchy"
LOLOLOL
Marry me, Brian
Even though Noah is right,
Carly in today's episode...
...she actually pissed me off for once, and I actually had sympathy for Janet. Of course, Carly didn't know that Sage was lying, but some of what she said (screamed) at Janet went over the line, in my opinion.
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I know ATWT isn't supposed
Kevin
Not that any character on the show really needs a reason to do anything, for instance, Jack has been a Detective at the Oakdale PD for how long? His daughter say's she's been accosted with a slap mark to prove it and he can't tell by glancing at it that the size of the imprint on her tiny cheek means it was done by a child's hand and the angle of the imprint that it was probably self inflicted? My mother could have figured that out.