Liveblogging As the World Turns: My Nukey Valentine Edition

Well, that was freaking insulting. The hell? Why even bother with all the teases and fake outs if they are going to have such a blatant and discriminatory double-standard?

I like to think I am tough enough to not be affected by these stupid, random incidents of homophobia, but this actually stings.

Thanks for the recap, Brian.

 

bashing begin.  poor nuke, not getting their valentines day kiss! :(

What a waste of good airtime! The Valentine's Day scenes with Nuke were such a dud! Even worse that I could have imagined. The best of the day was the Margo/Tom black and white episode. As usual Luscious Lips and Noahlicious were yawners. All the other ATWT couples kissed, but no, not our Nuke! All we could squeeze out of their little segment was a half-assed attempted kiss by Luscious Lips at Old Towne and a hug at the pier with Noahlicious in his sailor suit. BTW... when I was in the Navy, you wore the white hat. WTF is with this jersey knit hat anyway? True to form, Nuke didn't get to kiss as the other hetero couples. Now let's see, they're being treated like any other couple on ATWT? Yea, right...

What a waste of good airtime! The Valentine's Day scenes with Nuke were such a dud! Even worse that I could have imagined. The best of the day was the Margo/Tom black and white episode. As usual Luscious Lips and Noahlicious were yawners. All the other ATWT couples kissed, but no, not our Nuke! All we could squeeze out of their little segment was a half-assed attempted kiss by Luscious Lips at Old Towne and a hug at the pier with Noahlicious in his sailor suit. BTW... when I was in the Navy, you wore the white hat. WTF is with this jersey knit hat anyway? True to form, Nuke didn't get to kiss as the other hetero couples. Now let's see, they're being treated like any other couple on ATWT? Yea, right...

looking forward to watching this episode tonight when I get home.  Thank God for the DVR.

I think that WAS jon hensley in those Holden flashbacks, just with wonderfully poofy 80's hair. that man is sex on a stick. anyway, i think it would have been more entertaining for holden to realize that SPIRIT LILY was probably getting her groove on with DUSTY THE HORNY GHOST. talk about "slimed"!

I loved NUKE's "meet cute", but i think it would have been more appropriate for Luke to drop chastity belts and promise rings instead of papers.

DETECTIVE CLARICE STARLING is LUCILLE BALL as KATHERINE HEPBURN in "THE CAPTAIN JANEWAY STORY".

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BTW... Dunno if anyone noticed, but the black and white segment with Lt. Dick Margo and Dan Ratherish as Katherine Heartburn and Spencer Dick Tracy had Jack Twist's father as the judge in the courtroom. I guess he FINALLY got over his son being a queer back on the ranch after his Brokeback Mountain escapades with Ennis Del Mar. Hope he doesn't come to realize how many queers are runnin' around Jokedale!

I posted a msg on CBS concerning this ep. Here it is.

The Valentine's episode was a total letdown with the Luke and Noah storyline. All the other straight couples got to kiss at the end of their fantasies and Luke and Noah did not even get the same treatment. The people at CBS are chickening out and letting their prejudices get in the way. I am appalled at the treatment of Luke and Noah. Not only are they not given the same screen time as their straight counterparts but they are not treated the same. What is the problem of showing them kissing when last year they kissed twice. I have only been watching ATWT because of  Nuke (Luke and Noah) and will probably stop watching if their storyline does not go anywhere.

This is a cop out on the parts of CBS, Proctor and Gamble and the other suits involved with this show. I would think that in 2008 post Brokeback Mountain gay relationships would be shown with honesty and respect. This is a kick in the face to all gay people and should be rectified.

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I don't think the Hershey's Kisses worked.

I think its time to boycott CBS en masse.

HOW CAN THEY DENY THE DOUBLE STANDARD NOW! All those disgusting Heterosexual kisses on DayTime TV? HOW DARE THEY.

I wonder how all these retarded straight people would feel if they were treated the same way.

IT IS TIME TO ABANDON NUKE. THEY ARE STRINGING US ALONG. In fact, Brian, you should stop your liveblogging of ATWT until they accept our demands.

They should just admit that they are uncomfortable with real gay couples.

What's the point of the story line if they aren't going to allow it to progress. Seems we have taken several steps back since "the kiss". If the boys are going to be treated so diffrently, then I would rather they drop the whole thing. Very disappointing.

OK, unless I missed something this time it was just blatant. They treated the gay couple differently. Everybody gets to kiss except the gay couple. Did they think we wouldn't notice?!?!?!

I am really getting tired of the double standard and the obvious nod to prejudice that's being shown here!

 

"You bit the hand, Marty, You bit the hand!"

Who do they think they're fooling? Or pleasing? Do they think the homophobes who object to Luke and Noah object less because their lips miss by an inch? Really?

This video shows all the kissing today (well, not all--just the kisses that ended each segment) and the blatant avoidance of a kiss between Luke and Noah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRs9v_U5Tc

 

 

Well, I guess now we know what P&G, CBS, and every other higher up associated with this show, thinks what equal treatment of gays mean. Disappointed? Extremely. Surprised, not at all.

 

At what point is the breaking point though? This isn't the first time they have pulled this and all we get are lame excuses and mediocrity. Further, at what point does mediocrity and lame excuses become unacceptable? For me, I think that point has come. I came to ATWT because Luke came out and stayed watching because of the promise of the Luke/Noah storyline. But clearly, the executives don't feel that my viewership is important enough and worth exploring the Luke/Noah storyline to it's full promise. Which is fine. They have their hatefilled reasons and have to live with themselves for making those decisions. But I as a viewer and consumer, can no longer accept these execuses and the further homophobic treatment of the gay/gay-friendly viewer.

 

It is ironic though that they give this little history lesson on gays in America in such a proud manner, then basically say that gays are not to be equal in this country. Thanks for the backstabbing ATWT. Thanks a lot.

If Luke and Noah weren't getting a new storyline next week, I would have thought that the show wanted to pull them after today's episode.  That was the most blatant slap in the face to see ALL of the couples except Nuke kiss in their Valentines Day "what ifs?"  This is right up there with the mistletoe. 

 

I also just went to the CBS/ATWT site and registered a complaint about this. Although, cynic that I am, I do not believe that it will do any good. I think they have made it patently clear that they are indeed treating this gay couple with an eye to the Homophobes and I was shocked and sincerely offended by the actions taken by ATWT today. I am beginning to believe that it may be time to leave this show to the bigots and stop watching. I can't begin to express how hurt, angry and insulted I am by this!

 

"You bit the hand, Marty, You bit the hand!"

They set themselves up for people to make comparisons between the different couples and then implemented a blatant double standard.  How stupid is that?

Not only is this a slap in the face for us but what about the artistic integrity of Van and Jake?  This is beyond patronizing.

I can understand why they may not want to push the gay story out of proportion to the others.  I can understand that they might be trying to counter the stereotype that gay men are inherently promiscuous.  I appreciate all of that but this has gone on too long. 

What kind of message are they sending to guys in the Luke/Noah age group?  If this goes on for too much longer it will start to look like a message of shame.  That would be a really bad thing.  But if they don't change direction soon that's where they're headed.

You know how in writing, they say if you show a gun in the first act, you'd better show someone getting shot? (Or something like that anyway.) When they showed that aborted kiss at the beginning, I thought to myself, "OK, this HAS to lead to a segment later where Noah says he doesn't care WHO sees them, and kisses Luke full on the lips in front of everyone." It's the only pay off that would have made ANY sense and been dramatically satisfying.

As it turns out, I completely underestimated this show's ability to subvert a decent story. Why do they even bother to write for this "couple" anymore? They can't be appealing to ANY demographic with this noncommittal tripe.

Only the old judge in that B&W segment got less action than Luke and Noah, and at least HE gets to bang his gavel.

Man, bummer.  I called the comment line & groused.  I'm a moderator on an ATWT message board, & I can tell you the place was aflame with Nukers.  BOTH GAY & STRAIGHT.  Most of the folks on the board are very pro-Nuke.

As for Holden, there has never been another actor in the part.  Jon Hensley has been the ONLY actor to ever portray Holden.  There was another Lilly for a while, but never Holden.

You know, all the comments in the context of "it's good just to see two guys hugging and holding hands" can only go so far... hell, I was making them to myself a few days weeks months year ago. But sometime soon, CBS is going to have to commit to this storyline or just give it up. At this point, I'm leaning towards giving it up, as the only entertainment now is just how close the guys will come without actually kissing. Currently the parody is on the verge of mocking itself, as Nuke attempt on-camera kisses only to be interrupted by a) little miss stormcloud selling girl scout cookies, b) a bolt of lightning, c) a foul ball off the bat of Derek Jeter or d) a rampaging Grizzly bear.

I think I'm rooting for the bear.

What the hell was that! A mayor copout not two minutes into the show. Are we supposed to be thankfull for the Stonewall references, a trip to the village and the faceless image of gay love?

Now, this fantasy was sweet and I get the limitations of two people who just met, so I am willing to overlook the absence of a kiss (ok not really), but that near miss at the beginning was just ridicuolous and whats with the "I never come HERE" , "it feels weird to be on GAY STREET?!" and "here you can be anything you want, EVEN GAY!!!" Even?

I agree that the show should be commended for the inicial idea and execution of this story, but that only makes the amount of cowardness they display now even more evident. All I wanted from this show was to portray this couple with sensitivity, equality and dignity; nothing more.

I found this episode very disappointing and in some ways even insulting, not because of what I want to see in the show; but because there are young guys everywhere who see this as a way to see themselfs and the message has not been good lately and today was no exeption.

 

"We'll always have sandwiches. . ."

There are, as a general rule, no soldiers on battleships. There may be marines, but from the pea coat and watch cap, it is most likely that Noah is being portrayed as a sailor.

hmmm....i didn't watch today's episode and thought "they are all gonna be so dissapointed."

i knew it would be a let down and even last week's dirty talking didn't convince me otherwise....it's easy to talk the talk for these writers...but they can't freaking walk the walk.

 

 

Does it really need to get anymore blatant than that? They are just plain jerking us around now... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that someone behind the scenes obviously thinks Nuke fans are idiots...

As a soap viewer for nearly 30 years, I want to quote Agnes Nixon--the woman who created All My Children and One Life To Live--"Make 'em laugh, make 'em cry, make 'em wait."  That pretty much sums up the rule of soap opera.  Yes, I too would love to see Luke and Noah's storyline progress.  But you also have to bear in mind that a story like theirs--teen-related or aimed at a young audience--typically plays out in the summer months. 

It's true from November until now there hasn't been a whole lot going on.  (Keep in mind also that Van Hansis was appearing off Broadway in Die, Mommie, Die at the same time.)  In any event, I am keeping an open mind.  I suspect Luke and Noah will see their airtime increase in June again.  Yes, the cutaways from the kisses and all of the hugs have been frustrating.  But my bf and I don't generally have PDAs in our hometown either--and I thought the interrupted kiss on Valentine's Day spoke volumes.  Gay couples are not as openly accepted in 2008 in the real world.  Why should Oakdale be any different? 

Usually gay characters on soaps disappear very quickly--AMC's Bianca not withstanding.  (And I've seen them all on All My Children, One Life To Love and General Hospital!)  I for one am hoping that CBS sticks with the couple for awhile.  Luke Snyder is a character from a core family.  Hopefully he will find a little onscreen happiness--just not too happy.  Because as we soap viewers know, happiness on a soap is the kiss of death!