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Liveblogging "As the World Turns": Runaway bride!

 

That's right, folks: Two Nukes in a row!

When we left the boys yesterday, they were rounding second base when a knock came at the door...

Policeman: I'm Officer Chastitybelt from the Oakdale PD. We received an anonymous tip that there may be some bed-jumping going on in this here bungalow.
 
Noah: No, sir. We were actually seconds away from consummating our gay love.
 
Policeman: Oh. Well, in that case, sorry to disturb you. Oh, and by the way ... your homicidal dad has escaped from prison and your wife is missing. Goodbyyyyyyyyye!

And with that he jumped on his unicorn and flew off. What will the boys do now that Captain Pervy is back on the streets and Ameera may be with him? Is this proof that she's in cahoots with him, or is she another innocent victim?  

To find out the answers to these questions and more, click through the break and refresh for updates! 

And they're off!

2:55PM EDT: Preview Time! No Nuke tomorrow, but it looks like things pick up again on Friday. We'll be here! 

2:53PM EDT: Luke points out that there are cops surrounding the house and that every move they make will be watched. Noah agrees that they need to tell the cops what they know.

Luke tells him that this isn't how he thought the day would end and that they're going to get through this.

And they kiss, and Luke heads out.

 

How much do I love that I can just say it offhand like that? Please tell me I can flush that shark down the toilet...

Noah's phone rings, and it's Ameera. He asks where she is and if his father is with her, and the call drops. Noah goes to Luke's laptop, looks up the address, and calls the airline for a flight to NYC. 

2:48PM EDT: Emily: "This has to stop, you hiding under my desk sucking on my toes while I'm trying to talk to your father!" Seriously, if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...

Emily tells Butters to put his clothes back on because he's distracting her (Uh, us, too ... bless the man!) and tells him that they can't sleep together anymore. 

Okay, who is this pretty old lady who owns the shop where Sophie is selling her macaroni necklaces? I think she's my new favorite character and love how after Sophie's second sentence to her you can tell she's running through grocery lists in her head.

Luke's doing a reverse phone lookup and finds that Ameera had called a house in Brooklyn and they jump up to hop on the next Greyhound. Oh st*t! Ameera, get in the pantry!

One last close-up of Butters' torso as he pulls his shirt on, and Emily tells him that he can still have his job back if he can work without benefits. Really? Not even 401k? Oh ... she means those kinds of benefits ...

 

2:39PM EDT: Noah finds Ameera's cell phone and points out that she may have left it as a clue for them. He checks out her call history ... Noah, Noah, Statesville Penitentiary, Noah, 800-588-2300 (Empire today, carpet tomorrow!), Noah, and a strange 718 number. Luke immediately recognizes the area code as New York, because he's been memorizing area codes as a way of taking care of his ongoing case of blueb-- er ... sexual frustration.

For the record, he's right ... 718 is actually MY area code. Okay, I'd admit it ... Ameera and I have been exchanging recipes!

Emily tells Tom that "Casey is a big boy." Heh. Heheheh. 

2:30PM EDT: Noah points out that the note didn't seem like something Ameera would write, as she used the word "annulled", which he's never said before, and didn't start the letter with "Back in St. Olaf...". He suggests that Pervy made Ameera write the note, and Luke says maybe they wrote it together. Luke says they should let the cops handle it, and Noah says no way, he's looking for her himself and he wants Luke to help him. 

Wow ... we're actually going to have to watch Hotprechaun and Allie study biology ... in the non-euphemistic sense.

Casey is gnawing on Emily's foot like a chew toy. She tells Tom that she'd be willing to give Casey his job back if he was interested ... she must have some pesky corns that need some extra work.

2:22PM EDT: Hey, if I order the Buxton Organizer can I get the free digital message reminder pre-programmed with that woman's voice saying "Butter ... milk ... eggs ..."? 

2:20PM EDT: Noah and Luke get into a fight, with Noah defending Ameera and Luke pointing out how suspicious it all is. Noah does make a good point when he mentions that Ameera is more likely to be at risk than anything given Pervy's track record, and says that Luke should understand that better than anyone. Does this mean that he took Ameera camping? He was wearing his hunting vest...

2:17PM EDT: Emily ties on her Diane von Furstenberg and suddenly Butters dashes across the room in boxer briefs for no apparent reason other than to make me very happy (Butterbuns!). He careens into a table and runs back to the other side of the room, and she stuffs him under her desk. Uh, I've seen enough Police Academy movies to know where this is going.

Tom arrives and Emily plays it cool until Butters starts nibbling on her leg under her desk. And Emily, can you please tuck your bra into your dress?! The AFA is watching!

Noah explains the letter to Officer C*ckblock Chastitybelt and he tells Noah that his father may be armed by now. There was a sale on Toaster Strudels at the White Hen! Then the officer throws out a couple of bizarrely innuendo-ridden lines like "There's a major Manhunt underway" and "I've got a unit watching the place", and then he leaves.

When he's gone Noah's all, "Why are you being so mean to my wife?" Luke, draw him a diagram, will ya?

2:09PM EDT: Mrs. Kardashian tells Meg that she shouldn't worry about her, that just she tripped over something, didn't eat lunch, and wore herself out with shopping while undergoing chemotherapy. Yep, sounds like she's taking perfectly good care of herself.

Emily is draped over Butters and going on about how she should hire him again so that she could pay him for sex (or something), and someone knocks at the door. Oop! 

 

2:06PM EDT: Noah and Luke invite Officer Chastitybelt in and he suggests that they're suspects. Noah explains that he's not in contact with his dad and the Officer tells him that he escaped, perhaps with outside help. They mention Ameera, and explain to the officer that they think that Ameera may have been kidnapped.

Hotprechaun! 

Butters and Emily are getting it on on the floor of what might be her office.  

Noah and Luke tell the fuzz that Ameera is Iraqi and that she knew Pervs when he was in the service. The cop says that that makes her "a person of extreme interest." Uh ... he clearly hasn't had to sit through any of her "back in St. Olaf" stories ...

Luke mentions the letter, which Noah doesn't seem too thrilled about. That's it, Luke! Trip her and run! 

Meanwhile, one of the Mrs. Kardashians comes out of a shop in Maddie Alley and swoons. 

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  • brcksvg's picture

    Runaway Bride

    Love the poster

    Hated the movie. Although I thought it was funny that the only instance of chemistry or sexual tension in the whole movie was between Richard Gere and Chris Meloni

    zanefan's picture

    Someone's been watching too

    Someone's been watching too many Planet Unicorn clips!
    hexenking's picture

    Great Fake Movie/Book Posters

    Especially yesterday's.  That was an all-time classic. 

    Where's the shark today?  I miss him....

    brian's picture

    You know...

    Sharky is taking the day off after yesterday's hot-n-heavy scene. He's not retired entirely, but he's earned a vacation.
    snicks's picture

    how blatant was that?

    They go from NUKE to a camera pan up Butter's body....WHOA!!!! ANOTHER KISS!!!!!

    visit my personal blog!...NOW!

    samgillespie's picture

    The Pretty, Old Lady

    is probably Lisa Grimaldi.  She co-owns that store with Mrs. Kardashian and co-owns the Lakeview with Lily.

    Which, btw, Lily should REALLY go back to work...

    peachblossom720's picture

    I was just about to write

    I was just about to write this.  Eileen Fulton has probably been with ATWT longer than any other actor on any other show.  She should be a household name, right up there with Susan Lucci.  It's funny that she would appear on today's show, because I was thinking about her last night, and I did a google search to see if she was still working.  Some articles said she's upset to be underused by the writers.  It's a shame that the producers would treat her like that.  She is still incredible after all of these years, and deserves better.  She's been with the show since the beginning, along with the actor who plays Bob Hughes and the actress who plays Nancy Hughes.  ATWT would be a lot better if they acknowledged these actors.

    mmmexperimental's picture

    Lisa

    'Okay, who is this pretty old lady who owns the shop'

    Lisa Miller Grimaldi(Eileen Fulton) One of the Greats of Daytime. One of those characters and actors that sets the bar for all of Daytime ...

     

     

    "You bit the hand, Marty, You bit the hand!"

    hexenking's picture

    More Lisa

    Actually, Lisa's got at least six last names since she's been married so many times.  I agree, she's one of the greats.  Not the best actress in the world, but a wonderful personality and character.  I just wish they'd use her a lot more, and give her some great storylines.

    JerzeeMike's picture

    Yes!!

    ANOTHER kiss!! The boys and girls at the AFA must be having a friggin' collective aneurysm! Couldn't have happened to nicer folks.
    wolfi1976's picture

    You know...

    ...according to his MySpace, Luke wants to live in New York - and as teenagers tend to get obsessed with the places they want to live in, it would actually make sense for him to recognize the area code. :-)

    About me: Someday I hope to be a writer, living in NYC.

    :-)

     

    oh, and yet ANOTHER kiss? my oh my...!!! YAY!!!

     

    --

    The Gays Of Daytime

    brian's picture

    Good point!

    Sadly, I know people who live in Manhattan who can't be bothered to remember the area code in Brooklyn, let alone Oakdale.

    :) 

    brcksvg's picture

    I can't wait

    I can't wait until they kiss enough so that I can complain about the fact that they never use their lips.

    Which is such a shame because, Van...those lips are a terrible thing to waste.

    here, I'll show you how...Jake can come too...

    I'm sorry did I write that out loud?

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    LolaRuns's picture

    one of the last great ironies

    This could end up as one of the last great ironies. All across soap world fans have been complaining that nowadays couples are rushed, there is no build up, they get married within weeks of meeting each other, there is no chance for them to really grow on the viewers.

     

    How ridiculous is it that because of all the horrible intereference Nuke might end up as one of last few classically written soap couples? And for the first time in ages I actually believe that they migth be capable of pulling off the the payoff in a way that is befitting of a truly great story.

     

    Not that that excuses anything that has happened. But here is to hoping that they will now finally be able to tell the story the way it was supposed to be told.

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    dannydc's picture

    Classically written? Are you kidding?

    LolaRuns wrote:

    How ridiculous is it that because of all the horrible intereference Nuke might end up as one of last few classically written soap couples? And for the first time in ages I actually believe that they migth be capable of pulling off the the payoff in a way that is befitting of a truly great story.  

    You got to be kidding, right? NO WAY is this Puke storyline even remotely "classically written!" If anything, Puke is an embarassment to the classic way of soap writing.

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    hexenking's picture

    Classically Written - In a Sense

    What LolaRuns is referring to is the classical tradition of two lovers meeting and falling in love, but having all sorts of obstacles thrown in their way to keep them apart and sexless for some time.  They pine and yearn, and have a lot of stifled romantic feelings.  Finally, the obstacles are eradicated, and they consummate, first metaphorically, and then for real.  In that sense, you could say that the Nuke saga is in the classical tradition.

    Lily and Holden's story was different in many ways, but classical in the same sense.  Passion and yearning, but obstacles in the way for a LONG time.  With consummation finally occurring.

    LolaRuns is comparing that scenario to the more "modern" scenario where people meet, and later that same day are in bed.

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    Oh yeah, my main other soap

    Oh yeah, my main other soap seems to have a courting period of about 1 month before they already plotting their wedding (Eric/Donna, Thorne/Darla). Fastfood coupling. It's a disgrace. Together in a month, apart again two months later.

     

    I didn't like the superslow pace of the old daytime soaps either, but it's much more rewarding to see a couple do stuff together that you actually got to see for a long time. That doesn't excuse the lack of kissing. The lack of kissing is what kept it from being a true classic soap story. Now that they finally dropped that, maybe they can finally live up to their true potential.

     

    Is the Ameera or Col. Pervy storyline still deeply stupid, so the characters still act like morons? Sure. But it's a soap and so you will never be fully free of that. After all this is the world where Marlena got possessed by the devil, Brooke had amnesia and ran off to play with dolls, Taylor got held captive by a Moroccan prince etc. Usually, the more untachable the couple is, the more out there and ludicrous the stories end up being because the writers feel the need to concoct an outside threat rather than have the characters arguing and having real problems.

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    hexenking's picture

    Hey Danny

    Thanks for the 3 in the karma voting.  I think that's the most you've ever given me!
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    Actually Dennis...

    hexenking wrote:
    Thanks for the 3 in the karma voting.  I think that's the most you've ever given me!

    I REALLY enjoy reading your posts, believe it or not. They are very enlightening and I respect your intellect in explaining yourself. I certainly do not have the talent to write such things as you do. I vote from my perspective on what I think of your various opinions. You do have a tendency to dissect things the rest of us post down to the micro word, which is fine. I tend to think you take things way too seriously. A lot of my posts are meant to be humerous because I am a frustrated practical joker. I hope you realize I mean nothing personal. I guess it's just the way I interpret what you write.

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    hexenking's picture

    Hey, now you've upped it to

    Hey, now you've upped it to a four!  I'm growing on you!

    Actually, in real life I don't take things too seriously at all.  I'm sort of a Zen guy where nothing's all that big a deal.  I got caught up here in trying to fight what I see as monolithic orthodoxy by some people.  And got too serious about that.  :(   But the reason I never replied to you much was that I did interpret you as being humorous, and I enjoy humor a lot.  (I guess the only negative thing I'd say is that the anti-ATWT stuff got just a bit old for me.  As someone who has watched it off and on for about 20 years I feel some loyalty to it.)

    I bet within a week my four will be up to a five!

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    O.K. since it is Memorial Day weekend...

    hexenking wrote:

    Hey, now you've upped it to a four!  I'm growing on you!

    Actually, in real life I don't take things too seriously at all.  I'm sort of a Zen guy where nothing's all that big a deal.  I got caught up here in trying to fight what I see as monolithic orthodoxy by some people.  And got too serious about that.  :(   But the reason I never replied to you much was that I did interpret you as being humorous, and I enjoy humor a lot.  (I guess the only negative thing I'd say is that the anti-ATWT stuff got just a bit old for me.  As someone who has watched it off and on for about 20 years I feel some loyalty to it.)

    I bet within a week my four will be up to a five!

    O.K., since it's Memorial Day weekend, I give you the five this time. lol...

    I write a lot of anti-ATWT stuff and it's all fluff to generate some response to trying to improve this current writing that ATWT is suffering from. I remember watching this soap off and on back when I was in high school in the 80's on my holidays. My dear late mother and dad watched CBS soaps daily. I never really got that hooked. I just liked watching Brian Bloom (old Dusty) and Jon Hensley (Holden) because they were soo damn hot. I guess that was the days that Douglas Marland was writing the soap. Not sure about that tho. It frustrates me now just how bad the writing is and some of the beyond stupid plots. I guess that's just the current trend, I dunno.

    At any rate, I given you your "FIVE' and it may be awhile before it happens again. lol... This doesn't mean we're engaged or anything. Not yet anyway...

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    My little secret

    My little secret, never expressed to anyone: I too started watching ATWT for Brian Bloom. I was hoping they'd bring him back when they brought Dusty back. I didn't like the new Dusty at all, at least until he started going out of his way to be friendly to Noah.

    BTW, I really miss James Stenbeck a lot. As hammy as William Shatner, but one of the best villains ever.

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    dannydc's picture

    Where the hell does Jokedale's village idiot get any money?

    O.K., so at the end of today's Puke fiasco, cardboard Noah calls the airline for a ticket for the next magic teleporter ride to New York. Just where the hell does this non-working, non-producing, dumber than a box of rocks, sponging off Grandma Lu's generosity, individual get enuff money to do such a thing? Apparently by next week, Cardboard disappears per the spoilers. Little does Ms. Luke realize that Daddy Dearest has lined up an audition for Cardboard and Ms. Iraqi Bitch to tryout for the off Broadway smash-up of HAIRLESS PALMS! Smash-up becasue neither one of them can act their way out of a wet paper bag!

    Could this storyline get any dumber? Let alone the other boring storylines of this dismal soap. I guess it's easy when you have the dumbest writers in the galaxy.

    The only viewer draw is that delicious, stud puppie Casey. I actually fast forwarded thru Puke, Sufferin' Sofi, daytime TV's worst actor Paul, doormat Meg, quack doctor Woody Chrispecker and Allison Lovelace, just to get to the half naked, mouth watering Casey. They really need to give Casey his own show so we don't have to sit thru the rest of this trainwreck!

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    bhb53's picture

    Why bother watching if this

    Why bother watching if this soap causes you so much pain?
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    Janet's picture

    Seriously, I wonder that too...

    Obviously the rest of us think that this s/l is stupid and wish they'd smarten up but why the not-stop spewing? Bit of a downer....

     

     

    I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.

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    dannydc's picture

    More Funny than Painful

    It really doesn't cause me any pain. It's more for comedy relief because it is really SO bad! Some of the lines that come out of cardboard Noah's mouth make me laugh they are so stupid. Like I said before; he is not the brightest bulb in the lamp.
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    rschlem's picture

    Rah, Rah Nuke?

    bhb53 wrote:
    Why bother watching if this soap causes you so much pain?

    Yours is always a weak line of defense, but even more so here. We are not writing our opinions at one of the Luke and Noah fan sites that have been fawning over the couple and supporting P&G for the past five months (even if it does appear that way) and who ban threads and users who suggest that P&G are doing such a poor job at writing a gay story-line that it should be cut.

     Sorry I don't know the expressed purpose of AfterElton, but this is one place were we can discuss a gay character in the media because we don't like how we are being portrayed. That should be reason enough to voice our opinion. 

    Now, why do you feel it is necessary to give a snarky admonishment with your first post here?


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    Not Snarky

    I didn't interpret that observation as snarky at all.  I too am wondering why people would continue to actually watch a show that they don't respect, don't like, and get no value from.  Which is, of course, completely different from expressing negative opinions about a show.  There are so many great shows or movies to watch, or books to read, that I personally can't justify watching something I dislike or don't respect.  So I think the question asked was legitimate, and ideally would get a legitimate answer.
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    quite the snark

    The question was a first post by this user and obviously meant to admonish the user who didn''t approve of ATWT's portrayal of gays. Their suggestion is the tired, "just turn the channel, if you don't like it." if it pains you so much!!!!!

    We are provided with clips at AfterElton to peruse and critique. I am thankful for that. It is snarky to suggest that only positive critiques should be recorded here. The boosters who seem to be unwilling to address the inequalities would like to stifle the opinions of the dissenters. So be it. The question wasn't legit in the context of these pages. Suggesting that pointing out inequality is painful and therefore is a weakness is snarky, to say the least.

    I am hoping that AfterElton will continue to allow open discussion of gay characters in the media. And people who want to quell the the dissenters should post at lukeandnoahfans.com or vanhansis.net where they censor people like me, who are committed to fare and accurate portrayals of LTBG folks.
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    "only positive critiques....???

    Are you serious here?? I don't recall one poster on this site in the last however many months that hasn't been frustrated or downright disgusted by what P&G and ATWT are doing to their gay characters. I hardly think that is the point. Some members, however, are not about debate and discussion but simply post after post of vitriol. After a while, that gets tiresome and pointless.

     

     

     

    I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.

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    Janet, you beat me to the

    Janet, you beat me to the punch.  (Of course, that's because I try to say in about five paragraphs what you can say in one!   :)

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    Sorry you feel that way


    bhb53 wrote:

    Why bother watching if this soap causes you so much pain?

    By asking why danny bothers to watch the show, bhb53 is referring to his dissent. bhb53's comment is suggestive that only positive critiques should be recorded here, else why bother watching the show. I read bhb53's post as advocating only positive opinions.
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    puke, village idiot, trainwreck....

    ...this seems a little heavier than dissent. It's not just black or white, there are shades here. I didn't read any humour into Danny's posts, only unrelenting hatred of this show. I'm all for debating the good, the bad, the ugly, but this seems something deeper. Danny obviously disagrees with me as I was blessed with one lonely little star from him as a rebuttal. So be it. His opinion. My opinion. Your opinion. God help us if there is a forum anywhere that records only positive critiques of this show.

     

     

     

    I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.

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    Nukely, as usual your

    Nukely, as usual your perceptions are distorted and backwards, to an almost laughable degree. 

    1.  If you count up the posts that are critical of ATWT and Nuke they FAR, FAR outweigh those that offer "positive critiques".  To see it as the reverse of that is literally grotesque.

    2.  I'm not aware of any "boosters who seem to be unwilling to address the inequalities" of the show.  EVERYONE has acknowledged the inequalities.  Your backward analysis interprets as boosterism anyone who doesn't adhere to your view that ATWT is wholly exploitive, with no good intentions of any kind, or who tries to make any case for the show having any redeeming value at all.

    3.  The only one who wants to "quell dissenters" is you.  Your warped view of reality simply can't abide anyone who says anything even remotely positive about the show.  The "dissenters" are those who don't buy the "party line" that ATWT is overtly homophobic no matter what they do.  And you are trying to shut them up.

    The poster in this case was replying to someone who essentially posts EXACTLY the same thing on every ATWT thread, and who apparently watches the show despite hating it (as indicated by assorted comments about other characters).  It's certainly legitimate to be annoyed by such repetition.  The posts don't actually say much about the inequality, just about how stupid the characters are, how illogical the setups, how bad the acting, how horrible the writing, etc.  That's hardly "addressing the inequalities". 

    We've tried to discuss things before, but there really is no point in going back and forth when your view of objective reality is so far off.  And I'm totally not talking about strong opinions, which I highly value.  So I'm just saying this once as a reply to your attack.  Spew some more illogic, and let's move on.

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    3 points

    Dennis wrote:
    Nukely, as usual your perceptions are distorted and backwards, to an almost laughable degree.


    And as usual you misread what I wrote and jumped to conclusions, normally I'd ignore that.

    Dennis wrote:
    1. If you count up the posts that are critical of ATWT and Nuke they FAR, FAR outweigh those that offer "positive critiques". To see it as the reverse of that is literally grotesque.

    I am very aware of the level of criticism at this site. That you would construe my words to say otherwise is grotesque.

    I have heard the "switch the channel if it causes that much pain" comment tossed at any who do criticize the show. Not at this site, but at the fan sites where they routinely ban members and block threads when ever a serious criticism is leveled. Perhaps one of the reasons that there is so much harsh judgment of ATWT on this site, is because it it censored at many of the others.

    Danny doesn't need to justify his interest in the show. At one time I was a fan, I doubt I will ever be able to enjoy the show the same way again, but that's just me. For now, the show has a social impact that affects me, and I feel like I have a right to express myself on these pages. Since the editor has yet to ban me, I assume AfterElton honers the spirit of debate.

    Dennis wrote:
    2. I'm not aware of any "boosters who seem to be unwilling to address the inequalities" of the show. EVERYONE has acknowledged the inequalities. Your backward analysis interprets as boosterism anyone who doesn't adhere to your view that ATWT is wholly exploitive, with no good intentions of any kind, or who tries to make any case for the show having any redeeming value at all.
    Actually, you're exaggerating again. bhb53 has only posted once, and it wasn't to criticize the show, it was to tell Danny to switch the channel. So, EVERYONE has yet to acknowledged the inequalities, but I'd agree that many and most have. The boosters, like the folks who run the fan sites, are unwilling to address the inequalities of the show. The phrase you chose to quote is actually a week sentence as 'booster' and 'unwilling to address the inequalities' might be redundant as an enthusiastic supporter is unlikely to point out any kind of inequality. While I have yet seen that level of boosterism here, the comment made by bhb53 is typical. I also believe it is fair to mention on this site, fans who frequent other sites, like the boosters I refered to.

    "ATWT is wholly exploitive, with no good intentions of any kind" I have never said that and never would. And I try to be very careful in my choice of words in that regard. You seem to think I am unfair because I don't molly coddle a Fortune 500 company, like P&G. Are you suggesting I should balance each and every critique with a complement, as if I were talking to or about a kindergartner?

    I have said positive things about the show, if you missed that I could care less. But everyone on these pages have made positive remarks regarding the show. I know you have, I know the editor has. I don't feel I need to pat P&G on the back just yet. But just because I don't share my opinions in that regard, doesn't mean I completely disrespect the show.


    Dennis wrote:
    3. The only one who wants to "quell dissenters" is you. Your warped view of reality simply can't abide anyone who says anything even remotely positive about the show. The "dissenters" are those who don't buy the "party line" that ATWT is overtly homophobic no matter what they do. And you are trying to shut them up.
    You're saying that I quell dissent? That's just nutty. You are proposing that someone who says "P&G are doing the best possible job they can." are offering a dissenting view. And because I choose to debate that fact I am therefore quelling their descent. (why does that sound like double speak?) What you seem to be suggesting is that I refrain from sharing any negative opinion because it stifles positive opinions? What your twisted logic seems to suggesting is that I censor myself, lest I be a censor?

    Dennis wrote:
    The poster in this case was replying to someone who essentially posts EXACTLY the same thing on every ATWT thread, and who apparently watches the show despite hating it (as indicated by assorted comments about other characters). It's certainly legitimate to be annoyed by such repetition. The posts don't actually say much about the inequality, just about how stupid the characters are, how illogical the setups, how bad the acting, how horrible the writing, etc. That's hardly "addressing the inequalities".

    I agree that bhb53 might have a reason to be annoyed. I can't speak for Danny, so I don't know if his purpose for writing here is to address the inequalities or not. Perhaps, you're right, his reason may simply be to critique the production values of the show, something many on these pages have done and continue to do. I don't believe you want to suggest that only criticism of human rights merits discussion here.

    And I don't feel right speaking for bhb53, but if bhb53 was annoyed by the level of vitriol, as Janet suggests, or repetition that you suggest, I'd respect a post that addressed those issues. If the post had addressed those issues, I wouldn't have commented myself. As it were, bhb53 basically questioned Danny's validity to post a critique, rather than address the style or content of his writing, which you assume to be bhb53's reason for the comment. And if either you or Janet are still annoyed by Danny's writing, I am asking if either of you have taken the time to P.M. him to discuss your concerns. Or should we just banter about more snarky comments?

    Dennis wrote:
    We've tried to discuss things before, but there really is no point in going back and forth when your view of objective reality is so far off. And I'm totally not talking about strong opinions, which I highly value. So I'm just saying this once as a reply to your attack. Spew some more illogic, and let's move on.
    You know, Dennis, I'm going to refrain from discussing objective reality with you. But what I have gotten from your 3 point essay with character analysis, is that the one thing that is far off is our opinions from each other's.

    You seem to believe that if you make a detailed argument, that I should agree with you. If I don't, I am being unreasonable. I can't help but feel like an agnostic who's just been lectured at by a priest about the existence of God, and now the priest accuses me of being unreasonable for not turning into a believer.
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    brcksvg's picture

    Casey?

    Ok, he's cute-ish but really the devotion on these boards to him seems a little hyperbolic.

    As for money, if you insist on using logic and reason to explain soap operas, you're always going to be disappointed.

    Though I think Noah got all his Dad's money when he went in the pokey, but I seriously could have just made that up.

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    rschlem's picture

    Billy's obliques

    brcksvg wrote:

    Ok, he's cute-ish but really the devotion on these boards to him seems a little hyperbolic.

    As for money, if you insist on using logic and reason to explain soap operas, you're always going to be disappointed.

    Though I think Noah got all his Dad's money when he went in the pokey, but I seriously could have just made that up.


    For one thing, Billy Magnussen has the obliques of a classic greek statue. It's hypnotizing to me and I am sorry that I missed this weeks show with him shirtless. Casey is like the boy next door, but the preachers son gone bad. It might be hyperbolic, but he's hard to resist.

    We know that soaps are illogical, but like Lewis Carroll's stories, we expect some kind of logic within the lunacy.

    As far as money goes, nobody really works in any soap. Work is the boring part of life, who wants to watch a soap where the main character in a story line is standing behind a cash register for 20 minuets? We have to make up our own stories in our mind as to how the characters support themselves. Noah got into school and his dad seemed to pay for it. He is unconcerned with paying for his next year of collage, perhaps he will take out a loan? Who cares? I always imagine that like some poor, gay, college students I've known, Noah is giving blow jobs in the park at night to make ends meet.

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    Cosmiclad's picture

    Casey shirtless

    rschlem wrote:


    For one thing, Billy Magnussen has the obliques of a classic greek statue. It's hypnotizing to me and I am sorry that I missed this weeks show with him shirtless. Casey is like the boy next door, but the preachers son gone bad. It might be hyperbolic, but he's hard to resist.

     

     

    I have to say I think you hit the nail on the head with this Nukely.  I've tried watching, oh, just about every storyline on this show, but can't seem to care about most of them aside from Nuke, but once Casey comes onscreen, I can't help but watch and hope he gets shirtless (which is like 50% of his screen time!).  The boy is just mesmerizing!  8)

    Now, if only we can get Van shirtless... it's been so long since last summer I can't remember what that looks like!  8)

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    ".. .and Eileen Fulton as Lisa"

    Eileen Fulton's been on the show almost from the beginning, and to give you some bearings on "Lisa," she has such a huge string of last names that in the credits of the show, she gets the above final billing (like "...and Joan Collins as Alexis")

    She is Tom's mother (from the Emily/Tom conversation today), and thus is Casey's grandmother.  She used to be married to Dr. Bob and Nancy HATED her back then because Lisa was the original "scheming soap bitch".  Fulton had to hire a bodyguard for a period in the early 1970's because a fan of the show actually attacked her in a supermarket for things "Lisa" had done on TV recently.  Of course these days she mostly functions as a talk-to for the younger actors, and I simply adore her, and due to the budget cuts she doesn't really get to do that very much, either. 

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    JohnnyCollins218's picture

    Sweeps Pays Off

    The only thing I worry about is that with June a week away all of this forward Nuke momentum will slow down for a month before we get to summer storylines.  Let's hope all of the recent attention from the Times has been noted. 

     I do take issue with those putting down the idea of classically written soap stories.  All soaps have uneven writing.  You either love the characters enough to endure the bad times for the good stuff, or you don't. 

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    ATWT doesn't understand "the kiss" backlash

    Or maybe I just don't understand the "kiss backlash".

    The thing that annoyed me about ATWT not showing a kiss was not that there weren't two shirtless hotties mashing it up...it's that they didn't allow any passion between them.

    How many times do you kiss your partner in one day? For me it's several. "Good morning" *quick kiss*

    "How was your exam?" "It sucked...I'm tired" *quick peck* "I'm going to take a shower."

    Kudos to ATWT for stepping up the making out...but how about adding just a bit more reality to this couple. Not the least of it being that these two have not had sex yet. Are we really suppose to believe this?

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