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Liveblogging "As the World Turns": No sex lives and videotape
That's right, today's the day that things get real ugly in Oakdale U's student president campaigns. We've already learned that Kevin's campaign manager, Mark, is a total butthead willing to do anything in order to win Kevin the vote, even if it means spreading homophobic lies ... and viral videos! ... about Luke. And now that a good-intentioned Ali is involved, things are bound to get ugly ... and I'm not just saying that because everything the poor girl touches turns to doodoo. I mean, considering that sex scandals are the first line of offense in political smear campaigns, isn't Ali an easier target than Luke considering that she's actually had sex? And, like, on camera, even? Click on through the jump and refresh often to find out how the scandal goes down! Lights ... camera ... inaction! 2:55PM EDT: Oh, did I mention that Lady Drumstick has breast cancer? Sorry, it kinda got lost between all the drinking games and gay-bashing. Luke comes in to find Noah and Aaron hanging out in the kitchen and Luke asks why he is so mad at him. Luke says that Noah thinks Luke still has feelings for Kevin. Luke says he thinks he's bad for the school and Noah says that's not an answer. Luke says he's only so invested because it brings up so many memories, and Noah asks him to quit the campaign. Luke says he can't, that he has to win. Noah says he has a paper to write and takes off. Back a the party Butters is wasted and quits the game, and he realizes that his costume is missing. Back in the car, Ali begs NotButters to say something, when suddenly another man in a mask jumps out from the backseat and puts a sack over her head! Preview Time!: No Nuke, but we do see what comes of Ali and the bad men ... 2:51PM EDT: Luke is really fuming outside and Noah makes some ill-advised attempts at humor to defuse the situation. Luke's furious that Noah is too scared to admit what's really going on here, that it's bigger than just a student election. Noah storms off to go home and Luke runs after. Back inside Butters gets roped into a game of Two Girls One Cup "Flip Cup" and Mata Ali unsuccessfully plies Kevin for info about his speech. But wait, who just swiped Casey's mask and robe when he wasn't looking? And wait, Ali was just looking at Butters, wasn't she? And then she turns around to look for him and when she sees the guy in the mask behind her she thinks it's him? A second later Ali's zooming down the highway with NotButters and she suddenly realizes that Casey hasn't spoken a word ... and it's not Casey's car. MWAHAHA! Girl, you're lucky we love you because that is the stupidest thing you've done ... well, so far this scene. 2:41PM EDT: Butters tries to smooth things over with Aaron, which Ali doesn't appreciate. Noah comes over to talk and when Butters is all, "we can't let them see us talking to her!" and Noah's all, "This is so ridiculous" and as he storms off Butters fumes, "That is one really unhappy guy". Ha! You said it. Meanwhile, in the alley things get ugly real fast when Kevin gets defensive and tells Luke that he's not gay and he's not a gay-basher, and that Luke's the bigot for thinking that he is. He storms off. Back inside the most boring Halloween party this side of Little House, Butters tries to get Mata Ali to go undercover again to find out what Kevin's speech at the next pep rally will be all about. (Pep rallies? In college?) Meanwhile, Kevin's little spat with Luke has left him out for blood, and he tells Mark to do whatever necessary to win, even if it means putting Ali in harm's way. Okay, she and Butters are officially made for each other. 2:31PM EDT: Meanwhile, Mata Ali is undercover again as herself (seriously, how ridiculous is this?) and she tells Kevin that it's really pathetic the way he went for Luke in that video. He tells her that he didn't do it and he agrees, and after he gives her a kiss (just so Aaron can see from across the room, of course) he goes over to Mark to tell him to take down the video. When Mark asks the DJ who the girl in the scrubs is, he's all, "doesn't everybody know? That's Ali the porn queen!" Outside, Luke and Noah are gabbing in the alleyway (no, that's not a euphemism) and a drunk little hottie in a cape comes up and says hi to Noah and tells Luke he saw the video and that he should get back at the guy. Noah and the little guy go inside and leave Luke outside to stew, and of course Kevin comes out to apologize for the video but Luke isn't having it. Kevin says that he didn't put up the video and that he didn't want things to get personal because he remembers how Luke saved him at the lake. Luke counters, "Oh yeah? Well do you remember calling me a faggot? Because that's essentially what your friends did in that video". He tells Kevin that this is as personal as it gets ... and that! Was the night! The Lights! Went out! In! Georgia! 2:22PM EDT: Lest we forget that Oakdale isn't all sexed-up young politicos in bad Halloween costumes, Lady Drumstick and Wheatables are at the ice skating rink, where he reveals that he knows about her true identity and past life as a figure skater. Okay, I'm totally missing something here. 2:16PM EDT: Luke and Noah say they're still going to the party, and they're not backing down. After they head off to do whatever it is a pirate and a farmboy would do (something involving booty or poop decks, I imagine) Butters convinces Ali to sweet-talk Kevin into taking down the video, and she says that this is worse than the porn biz. Meanwhile, Noah tries to convince Luke to win on his terms, not Kevin's. This year's Halloween is shaping up to be as much fun as last year's... Ali brings up her porn past like 20 more times and Butters says he doesn't ever even think about that unless he's, you know, "thinking" about that. Um ... creepy much, former brother-in-law? They run into Luke and Noah outside yelling at each other and they tell them their plans. Luke and Noah are going to go to the party and Luke is going to kill Kevin with a saber if he sees him. Sounds great! 2:09PM EDT: OMG! It's a masked man episode! I'm totally wetting myself. Seriously, this is the SHIZZ. We start off on a shot of Luke's SNYDER = DIVERSITY campaign poster. Way to wow 'em! Meanwhile, Kevin's has a picture pulled out of a Tommy Hilfiger ad, American Flag and all. Suddenly a figure in a skull mask and robe comes around the corner and pulls down Kevin's poster. Ali spies the injustice and confronts the masked assailant who turns out to be ... Butters! And hey, she's dressed as a nurse. It really IS Halloween! Back at the farm, Luke (dressed as a pirate) and Noah (dressed as ... Judd Fry?) have a chat with Aaron about Ali. Back in the alley, Ali (ooh, that rhymes!) confronts Butters and they argue about campaign politics, and mention "the video that everyone has seen" ... except Luke, apparently, because when they call him he's not drowning his sorrows in Ben & Jerry's or something. They plan a meeting at Java. At Java, a guy in the worst devil costume ever asks Luke where his tutu is. He's all, "whah?" The guys ask if he hasn't seen the video on "UsTube" and Luke demands to see it. Meanwhile, at the Really Rottens hideout, Kevin confronts Mark about the video, saying that he's gone too far. Kevin doesn't want to seem like a gay-basher, and Mark says Luke made the gay issue prominent, not him. Oh. My. God. Okay, let's time how long it will be before the viral "Fairy U" video hits the actual web. "I'm Wilhelmina Slater and I Don't Get Wet!" Luke shakes his fist at the sky and screams, "Curse you, Backrub Boy! This mean waaaaaaarrrr!" Submitted by on Tue, 2008-10-28 13:56. |
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Here's the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir3s3WzZTRU
(I wish.)
I find it Ironic that so many folks over on LukeVanFan's
channel and some on here have been so critical because Luke has apparently gone TOO GAY and yet, his reactions to Brian, the film festival thing and Kevin make perfect sense to me given that we live in a time where an up and coming actor like the young man from 90210 (who really should have known better) has to appologize for young the word "Fword" all the time.
Call me over-sensitive, but on the list of things I would "never, ever, from my cold dead hand" forgive a "friend" for is calling me any kind of insult regarding my race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation.
Anybody who even "goes there" in their mind just because they are scared or freaked out or just plain mad at me is NO FRIEND OF MINE.
If Kevin really was Luke's best friend and he really did behave the way he did, I don't blame Noah for thinking Luke might not be over it and I don't blame Luke for getting up in HIS grill and anyone elses who dares to think that can just act any old kind of way with regard to gay folks and get away with it because they "were joking", "didn't mean it", "were scared"
Brian is homophobic (I don't really care why)
Kevin is homophobic for not only for how he treated Luke in the past but for also not IMMEDIATELY getting a new campaign manager the second that neaderthal opened his mouth. He's going to have to do a lot more than be grateful for Luke saving him to prove otherwise.
And given the town they live in and the school they go to, Casey and Noah should have anticipated that Luke's being gay was going to be a bigger deal than either of them wanted to admit (regardless of what Kevin did or didn't do)
The whole issue started because some backwards thinking moneybags refused to support a school that would hold a student run gay film festival
If that's not homophobic, I don't know what is.
The folks who watch the show on youtube and elsewhere seem to b ALL FOR THE GAY as long as it's just beautiful men/boys falling in love and having romantic trials and tribulations.
But the second a gay person on television actually expriences some homophobic, people get all "Why does 'gay' have to be such an issue"
WTF?
It seems to me that as long as anyone is gay and out, they are going to have times when they have to fight or stand up for their rights. Not, gay life isn't always about that.
But sometimes it is, particularly when you are young and mingling with a whole lot of other young folks who haven't yet learned to "temper" their tongues and practice impulse control.
Don't Know What To Make Of All This....
I'm not sure either!
No, he didn't. Luke evaded the question and then Noah threw a hissy fit and went upstairs. If Jean Passanante is serious about waiting for fan reaction before they determine whether Karl Girolamo (Kevin) stays, then I think Luke's non-response coupled with the Luke/Kevin scenes outside Yo's still gives me hope that ATWT will do an all-male asexual triangle. Which means Kevin will stick around. *crosses fingers*
Best episode in, like, forever!
Lots of gloriously campy soapy stuff in this episode; two favorite lines:
Luke: "Should I just lay there and take it?"
Alison: "Wait, Casey! This isn't your car!" I almost fell on the floor laughing.
No Nuke tomorrow? Please! Apparently, nobody else is at the farm tonight, so this is the perfect opportunity for Luke to go up to Noah's room and seduce him, to make things right. That's what should be happening in tomorrow's episode.
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I'm all for GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
and I don't normally advocate violence but since this is a SOAP and I know Luke (as the candidate) really shouldn't be fighting (words yes, fists, no).
Would it be so awful if angry/frustrated Noah (who is very sexy which is hard to achieve in that getup) just happend to POPPED KEVIN ONE RIGHT IN THE KISSER! just to teach him to watch his mouth when he's talking about "you[us] gays"!
I wouldn't be mad at him one tiny bit...
Instead of repeating how it was not his fault that the video went up and how he was soo young before and only 3 years ago he didn't know it was bad to call someone the "F" word (WHATEVER!)
Couldn't Kevin have just appologized PUBLICLY to Luke and made it clear to Luke and the campus that he wasn't going to put up with that kind of campaign, then fired his campaign manager .
But in fairness to Noah, Luke can throw one hellova badassed hissy fit like nobody's business (um, hello, let me STAND UP IN MY WHEELCHAIR CAPTAIN PERVY AND TELL YOU WHAT'S WHAT!)
I really like what they're doing with Kevin
Ya know, though, after thinking about it I'm really intrigued with how they've written the Kevin character. You say he could have apologized to Luke and fired Mark, and given a nice little speech about tolerance. Blah! People are always talking about making people in gay stories real, whether it be gays themselves or the homophobes and others they interact with. Usually what I see are tolerant role models and repulsive haters. Kevin is anything but admirable, but he's real in a way you don't often see. He feels bad about how he treated Luke before, he started out not wanting to defame Luke to win, but he hasn't converted to Mr. Tolerant Role Model. Rather, he obviously harbors a willingness to be anti-gay when it benefits him, and after a fight with Luke. If there were a Kinsey scale of tolerance, with 0 as raging homophobe and 6 as Cindy Lauper, he'd be about a 2. And he represents a LOT of males his age, but a group that isn't portrayed often.
I also like how they write Casey. He's obviously a tolerant guy, but it's mixed with just enough uncomfortableness and lame gibes to make him seem real.
I agree with you about Kevin's being more reflective of an
average guy (mark is an extreme obviously). I mean seriously. What did Luke say to Kevin that all of a sudden makes "going homophobic" okay. That Kevin is threatened? He is threatened (who knows/cares why?).
I still say Noah should have popped Kevin in the mouth (I know, bad role model, blah, blah)
I don't think Kevins' response in the story was unrealistic. It was very real if the young guys in my neighborhood are any indication.
I just wish folks would stop acting like the fact that he doesn't projectile vomit in Luke and Noah's presense means he's a member of PFLAG now.
My comments were more about responding to folks who keep excusing Kevin and Brian by saying well, they're not REALLY "homophobic" and that Luke is overreacting.
Luke is a dramatic person, yes, that's part of his character. It doesn't mean he isn't completely valid in his feelings about the election, the video, the film festiva/ being cancelled, Kevin's past and current behavior and Brian's attitude toward the pamphlets, etc.
Someone on another gay board that shall remain nameless actually said "well I guess if the barista at Java gives Luke the wrong coffee now, he'll claim its because he's gay" SERIOUSLY?!
Exactly how many cheeks is he supposed to turn?
Luke is a lot more restrained then I'd have been given the year he's had.
Brian would no longer have a job and I'd be getting a lot more
I understand all of the reasons why Noah is worried but sometimes you just have to be supportive let someone make their own mistakes when its clear that they won't listen to reason and be there to catch them when they fall.
Luke did it for him.
First Loves
So Noah says something to the effect that you never get over your first love, i.e., Luke has never gotten over Kevin and Noah himself has never gotten over his own first love.
Who the hell is Noah's first love? Luke? Maddie? His father, Winston? Dusty? His childhood neighbor who went to Northwestern (Noah's dream school before settling for Jokedale Universty) whom Noah talked about and seemingly idolized/crushed on when he first started on ATWT? Seriously? Who is it?
I Assumed.....
That's the thing about Noah
We really only have a sketchy character history for Noah, and with both his parents dead (or presumed dead) and no connection to any other Oakdale resident (aside from a very, very slim connection to Henry and Dusty), his background could use some filling in, particularly as it regards those early, unseen relationships. As you say, perhaps the guy could show up in town (transferring to OU from Northwestern?), leading to an all-male triangle.
Personally, and as I hinted above, I'd like it if any third wheel could, indeed, be a character somehow connected to a core family of the show; certainly not the Snyders or the Walshes, but how about the Stewarts--perhaps a nephew or cousin in the Lowell branch of the family...?
I have difficulty seeing Kevin as a potential third branch of this triangle; honestly, I'm stumped as to how they can keep him around--my guess is that he might be a potential third wheel in the developing Casey/Alison relationship. But--here I go again--why not bring Matt back for this, considering he already has a history with both Casey AND Alison....
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Noah's first love is Luke. He's called him that before
Noah says "I Know I Won't" meaning he won't ever get over Luke. Luke understood that Noah meant him.
I just think it would be such a shame to break them up now, after all they've been through.
I'd rather have them just hang around showing up in other folks scenes as a happy but not forefronted couple for a while then have them breakup without ever getting a moment's peace.
It seems to me that part of Noah's frustration is that the campaign is taking over their lives much like his father's insanity, his own decision to mary Ameera and join the Army and Luke's costant family crisis.
Noah just wants to chill and be with Luke and have some fun (and after the year he's had, who wouldn't) and he really believes (I think rightly) that Luke is trying to prove something to Kevin.
I don't think it's about Luke being in love with Kevin but more about Lukeintense desire to get back at Kevin (which can be just as all consuming I'd imagine)
I just really hope all of this election stuff isn't just a way to destroy the couple so that ATWT and P&G don't have to deal with all the NUKE mania and AFA pressure anymore.
I think that would be a really big loss for US given the lack of representation of gay teens at this juncture.
Noah having a first love
necessarily implies that there will be a second, third, fourth, fifth etc. love in Noah's life, so that's not really cool for Luke either is it?
And unfortunately, this is not Verbotene Liebe where TPTB have been able to figure out how to use Ollian as bona fide supporting characters.
In ATWT, unless Nuke have a story of their own, they will not be onscreen. Just look at how little they were featured over the summer after they got back together. So I'd rather see ATWT attempt some more angst like an all male love triangle just for the simple reason of keeping Nuke front burner and onscreen more.
Noah needs to "man up." Wait 'till Emma finds out!
Had the "UsTube" video been of any chick on the show, her man would have used his fists first and asked questions later. Every one would have talked about how wrong it is to use violence but the message of it being expected quite clear. I assume the writers must be under the impression that the gays only know how to get bashed, but not to fight back or even pick fights. Why not have Luke himself pop Kevin, thus having the characters do anything except get bashed and perpetually be on different sides of every issue. Saint Luke fighting? That would make me happy. Even fight happy Aaron could have been shown "defending" Luke only to piss him off.
My favorite part of the show was the amazing scene when Lucinda tells Brian that her skating days are over. An awesome soap moment as the actress is second to none. Since she's over 21, they had to ^ock block her with this recurrence of cancer, but I loved her. If only the show could put back to back scenes showing people into each other.
True LOL. Lucinda was not a champion skater. Brian just added that to make Lucinda laugh a little as he revealed that he had done his legwork. If it were up to me they would have roller-boogied instead ;-)
I'll leave the viewers with this visual. Just remember that you heard Debbie Downer Meyer use the word "party" twice in the same episode. He said "Let's party" and then made some passive-aggressive comment about not "being in the mood to party" anymore. Does Noah "party?" Closet-PNPer?
Also, is anyone else waiting to hear about what Noah learned about these dealing with these matters growing up with Col. Meyer. He mentioned that he had a skill-set? I am waiting as I am sure that running upstairs was not it. Hoser! Get Emma's shot-gun, grab the little gay from the bar and move to a place where guys appreciate a butt pirate costume.... "Somwhere, there's a place for Luke... and today was the first day that a McCain ad aired on ATWT...."
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One Thing I Will Agree With You About....
Luke and Noah's fists.
Straight Casey may wind up in jail (as if), but I bet that this show of "love" will seal the deal with him getting a new girlfriend named Ali. This is the at least the 4th core male character throwing punches on behalf of Ali. Also, just last week Jack took the law into his own hands to defend Janet's mugger. Even with the "bad boy" speech that he got, Jack not only got his badge back, but also got rewarded with a yes to a marriage proposal as the go-to messages on ATWT are real men fight for women with their fists and women have to take verbal abuse and scheme to get/keep the attention of their would-be protectors. No male day-players better mess with Oakdale's ladies, but the gays.... Sure.... Excuse that will be used: Two wrongs don't make a right and these gays are so much more evolved. I even expect a little Luke guilt as he'll think that he was responsible for Ali's situation by being so uppity. Noah will be seem as the wise one.
There is no hope for these guys..... If Passanante had wanted to go with fun "let's hear it for the boy" episode ender, how about Luke popping Keving just once (and knocking him down in a way that only happens in soaps) and telling him in front of all of Yo's something about not making any assumptions about fags as they can do anything that straights can do and sometimes twice as well. Off he goes, and the viewers smile just a little or a lot as we see a close-up of Kevin. Maybe Luke even gets a little cursory "fighting is bad" look from Noah yet kisses him like never before. Mixed messages at their soap best with all characters being treated equally.
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WILL, GRACE & JACK RESPOND TO NUKE MISTLETOE MADNESS
TOTALLY UNRELATED BUT HILARIOUS FOR SO MANY REASONS!
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Made this funny video mashup of Will, Grace and Jack watching the infamous christmas scene between Luke and Noah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_As8mDbC86M
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