For this week's Mores for Gays, Daniel takes a break from p's and q's to explain exactly what's going on in California in regards to Proposition 8, which threatens to constitutionally strip gay and lesbian citizens of their right to marry. He also employs a comparison involving kittens, which makes things much, much clearer for me than all the bizarre ads that have been running lately.
It's a serious topic. But Daniel makes learning fun! Check it out after the break...
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on Thu, 2008-10-23 09:17.
Stealing of Prop 8 signs
The stealing of YES on 8 signs has become an epidemic across the state. It's not right. It's not cool. It's not legal. It's harming the NO on 8 movement. Stop it. Tell others to do the same.
There are gays who are screaming the NO on 8 ads are homophobic (seriously!) because they've been using parents or grandparents of gays instead of gay couples themselves. Ridiculous.
With the foolishness on the NO side, it'll be a miracle if the proposition fails.
Honestly duckistoy, you make these things up.
Well now we're winning again
The latest polls show we're ahead now. And soon the rush to marry you (the gay version of Buster Keaton' Seven Chances) will be on again.
Most "No on 8" ads have been terrible. Bland, flat and devoid of gay people. But now we've got one with Tim Gunn
http://fablog.ehrensteinland.com/2008/10/22/do-you-know-what-the-no-on-8-campaign-needs/
Something I just have to say Ô.o
Some times I don’t understand Americans, you LOVE to show yourself as the example of freedom and democracy, but as soon as some minorities get A RIGHT that the majority doesn’t agree with the hell opens up. From what I’ve been taught Democracy is more about the respect of the minorities than it is about the ruling of the majority. I just hope people would realize that the only way that our rights (I mean of the human beings, not only gay people) are respected is if we respect everybody else’s rights, because when you start stepping on others persons rights and the rest of the population CHOSEES to ignore it, then you are giving a free pass to start stepping on more and more rights for a “GREATER GOOD” and eventually and without realizing it you are not longer in a democracy.
I hope no one feels offended with this I just meant to say that some times people doesn’t realize how lucky they are and that it’s on their hands to keep it that way. I’m very young and I’ve lived in democracy my entire life (I’m 24 and Argentina is in it’s 25th year of consecutive democratic period) but my parent’s didn’t, and they were persecuted when they where young, fortunately they where the lucky ones that survive the dirty war in Argentina and they taught me how much blood and suffering took to have a democracy so it’s my duty to try to keep it by transmitting their story in hopes that never happen again.
Sorry if I whet out of topic, but I think that what Daniel said is right we should all get involve in this even if it doesn’t affect us directly (for example if you don’t live in California) because that’s the only way I think democracy prevail.
Thanks for listening (or reading), register to vote, vote no on prop 8 and have a good day ;)
Secular Nations!
I know people who wonder why I care so much about Prop eight (since i live in canada). I wish to point out that Canada, Belgium and other countries have yet to burn to the ground because of Gay marriage! I have even seen some videos linking the forest fires in California to gay marriage.
and you are right, who forgot that we both are secular nations?
I agree
Belgium and Spain - two catholic countries also have laws that authorize adoption for same sex couples.
If you ever run across people that flaunt France as an example, tell them that there is the PACS which allows couple to have almost the same rights as straight couples.
I have my fingers crossed for you guys.
Hugs from Brussels
Thank you, Brilliant.
Finally,
I thought I was the only who realized that there was a separation of church and state! Of course, the right-wing evangelical base wants to confuse the issue or make it a non-issue by making the US a theocracy, but it's amazing how no one on the left seems bring up the point that there is a separation of church and state; their silence is deafening.
And talking about deafening silences, and I don't mean from Obama (though I also mean from Obama), is the ad campaign for Vote No on Prop 8. I'm glad they're trying to set the record straight about the school teachings propaganda, but in doing so they're missing a point: it's probably going to be taught in schools sooner or later whether Prop 8 passes or not.
But the main thing that's bugging me, as with the Obama campaign, is that they don't really attack the other side. They try to use rational arguments and sound logic, and while that's nice, it's not going to win the masses. You don't have to pander to people, but all these arguments come off as rather dull and boring when what they should be doing is putting some passion and power into their message. Cool and rational can come across as cold if you never show any emotion, and the fight on Prop 8 is on a subject that is as passionate as one could get. This proposition is about stripping gays of their finally acknowledged right to marry and yet we can't seem to run an ad campaign that truly shows the passion and urgency that it
oughtneeds to.