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Mores for Gays video blog (Ep. 11): Urinal etiquette
Gay men and straight men alike can have public restroom anxiety. Where do you stand? Where do you look? In this episode, Daniel discusses the common faux pas of urinal behavior. Hopefully it will bring some relief! Watch it after the break! Submitted by on Thu, 2008-08-28 11:32.  My only tip would be toSubmitted by
friday13fan (446 points) (108 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 13:20.My only tip would be to maybe blink occasionally! Still, it was enjoyable, and you are no trouble to look at or listen to regardless of your eyelid activity.
 Okay....Submitted by
 THAT'S the world's weirdest criticism. You're worried about Daniel's eye-moisture level?
Read my books! Explore "Brent's Brain" at http://www.brenthartinger.com no votes I'm not worried about it,Submitted by
friday13fan (446 points) (108 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 14:11.I'm not worried about it, but it's like it makes it where I can't break eye contact, and I feel like I can't blink myself! I hope it didn't come across as too critical; it was really just an observation.
 Telling a guy you can't stop staring into his eyesSubmitted by
Distingué Traces (417 points) (92 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 18:44....doesn't sound like very harsh criticism to me. But isn't this something they teach you in TV college? I've heard that if you blink a normal amount while on camera then you come across as squinty and dithery, so the pros know to hold it until the camera cuts away, or at least until the end of a paragraph. No, not "distant gay traces" -- it's distingué traces! Daniel's eyes are...Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Fri, 2008-08-29 02:07.just flat-out dreamy. Steve Forbes inability to blink used to creep me out though... <shudder> -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..."  omg now you have mentionedSubmitted by
purple_squirrel (315 points) (82 posts) on Sat, 2009-06-06 15:22.omg now you have mentioned it i feel like I can't blink either until he does. its really odd! kinda tense, like when you can't breathe. and he really doesn't blink much at all! ________________________________
"there's always time for a burrow..." *** meep meep! *** EtiquetteSubmitted by
Darrien (3431 points) (717 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 14:03.The fact that someone has given so much concentrated thought to a topic otherwise ignored by experts on etiquette impresses me more than I can say. Bizarre, but completely fascinating. Well done.
 THANK YOU!Submitted by
Jaymz Luke Alyn (37 points) (7 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 17:25.thank you SO much for this...it cleared something up for me. i've been told that you're not supposed to look down, and i was a little confused because in my head i'm thinking...why not? it's my penis? it's not like i'm seeking arousal from looking down, it's just, i have peripheral vision, as do many others i hear, and it makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortable if i can tell someone is watching me. i'd rather be completely oblivious to the apparent peep show that i'm giving the gentleman next to me than to be aware and feel awkward. all in all, i feel like this should be published somewhere, or made into a public service announcement because people need to know. who cares about the youth and drugs, let's focus on what's important! Jaymz Luke Alyn  the only problem I have isSubmitted by
Michael (640 points) (113 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 19:43.the only problem I have is trouble trying to pee when some els is standing RIGHT THERE, so I have to wait till they leave other wise that pee aint comin out! Im also worried that whoever Im standing by in the urinal is looking over and it just bugs the hell outta me, why dont they just build the walls up to the head? anyway, the guy doing the vlog is hot.  The same happens to me!!Submitted by
Cirpricio (155 points) (45 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 20:28.I have to concentrate really hard to pee if someone is near me (and even with concentration some times I just can’t do it). There’s a mall near my home where they put advertisements just in front of the urinals so you can read them while you pee (that’s pretty smart considering that most males stare at the wall at that moment) and some are very funny too (there’s one of an optometrist that say “It Doesn’t look big enough?, maybe you just need some glasses” or something like that) "the guy doing the vlog is hot"Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Fri, 2008-08-29 02:14.I scored your comment 5 points in agreement ;^ ) -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..." No longer pee shySubmitted by
Anonymous on Thu, 2008-08-28 21:04.Thanks to good therapy and Prozac I am no longer pee shy, and I am happy to say I can even have a conversation next to a co-worker at an adjacent urinal while peeing. One thing I did want to include in this conversation is my personal technique for the turn away, which isn't a turn away but a backing out. I take a three steps back which gives the view of the other person's back before turning away. And while backing out I'm also tucking my shirt in my pants and zipping up, which makes the backing out seem very natural. And it also gives me the appearance of a well-organized and stable person.
 Damn! I though I would getSubmitted by
Andros (1205 points) (261 posts) on Thu, 2008-08-28 23:34.Damn! I though I would get good tips about how to look at an other man junk in the urinal. *roll eyes*
lol Just kidding. :) Heyyyyy....!Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Fri, 2008-08-29 02:10.Why does Brian's byline appear on Daniel's vlog? -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..."  HeyyyyyySubmitted by
Brian Juergens (1195 points) (6470 posts) on Fri, 2008-08-29 15:01.Don't mind me, I'm just the editor! We need to keep Daniel's adorable mug in front of the camera, so I take care of posting his wonderful vlogs. Dennis and I post all the vlogs, so our names are on the posts - just a technical thing.
More important than you might imagineSubmitted by
JC (126 points) (25 posts) on Fri, 2008-08-29 21:34.There is an excellent video on YouTube that features Sims demonstrating male bathroom etiquette and the devestation that may occur if rules are broken. Daniel summed it all up perfectly and I advise everyone to view the video as well so that you will understand the importance of compliance this these mores. That's right, NOT amores folks.
 I wish I could remember the exact quote...Submitted by
HapNStance (565 points) (116 posts) on Fri, 2008-08-29 23:58.But some piece by a mainstream author I once read declared "urinals, due to the number of men who are performance shy, are like the flies in men's briefs, used so infrequently as to make them of questionable practicality." Although, I'm sure, much more clevely than I am able to summon up in hazy memory. Nous Sommes Tous Sauvages.  The ultimate testSubmitted by
Tony (332 points) (69 posts) on Sat, 2008-08-30 12:56.To those guys who are pee shy consider this. When I was in the South African army many moons ago they had an ablutions tent set up when we were out in the bush. Therein were these upside down plastic cones planted in mother Earth a few feet apart. These were not for peeing, my friends - that you just did against the nearest tree. They were for.....Number Two. Believe me when you are sitting having a shit next to another guy with your knees almost touching you pretty much HAD to have a conversation just to distract yourselves from what you were doing. Good PointsSubmitted by
Mike (5 points) (1 post) on Sat, 2008-08-30 15:33.Hello Brian, I love your points there right on the money man. Love your blogs you have a great long weekend,
Mike Sending Out 'Bat Signal' for Brian...Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Sun, 2008-08-31 13:21.Heyyyyyy, Brian! See, now that's the kind of thing that troubles me... Mike thinks that Daniel's name is Brian. Not that you aren't handsome and talented as the dickens yourself, but it's very misleading to see your name as the author of Daniel's vlog. Couldn't there at least be a permanent blurb tacked on to the beginning of each of Daniel's vlogs? Just a brief one or two line bio in italics with Daniel's first and last name in bold? His vlogs are incredibly good. In my opinion, they're the most professional and entertaining on AE. I won't be surprised when he gets a book deal for a collection of the text versions of these. If I had my druthers, he'd have a nationally syndicated column in all the major newspaper/magazines, too. And an HBO series based on his vlogs called, "That's A-More!" It just seems incredibly wrong to have someone that talented go uncredited and to be mistaken for somone else (even if it's you!). -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..." OOOOPS!Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Sun, 2008-08-31 13:47....probably should have said a series on LOGO... But while I'm here, I'd love to see AE do a feature story on Daniel. Where'd this guy come from? There's no doubt in my mind that if his vlogs continue to be as good as they've been, he's going to be a star. He's got that 'everyman' cute face that obviously looks good on camera. He's certainly got the wit and insights gay men can appreciate... I'd hate to see AE/LOGO lose his story to NBC.... <DOH!> ;^ ) -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..."  Does Daniel not tell you his name in every vlog?Submitted by
RJ (3370 points) (721 posts) on Sun, 2008-08-31 15:50.In the intro part of each of his vlogs, Daniel clearly states, "Mores for Gays ...with Daniel Leary". Surely that should suffice. I think anyone who has watched at least TWO of Daniel's vlogs will figure out for themselves what his name is. What are you thinking?Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Sun, 2008-08-31 18:43.In the intro part of each of his vlogs, Daniel clearly states, "Mores for Gays ...with Daniel Leary". Surely that should suffice. I think anyone who has watched at least TWO of Daniel's vlogs will figure out for themselves what his name is.
So it would be OK to:
Branding and name recognition are important - especially for someone in the entertainment field. Why do you feel it's OK for you to set the limits and say, "Surely, that should suffice" regarding the level of association of someone's name to their own work? And what qualifies you to be so "sure"? To be fair, it's possible that Daniel might want to maintain a level of anonymity for reasons like... well, heck, I don't know! - it would be none of my business, anyway! I'd be happy to apologize for stepping on his toes if that were the case. -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..." Not sure what candy bars & mail have to do with Daniel's vlogsSubmitted by
RJ (3370 points) (721 posts) on Tue, 2008-09-02 00:35.I thought the issue was about folks thinking the Mores for Gays vlogs being the work of Brian Juergens. I'll grant you the potential confusion on Google's listing but anyone who watches one of the vlogs can clearly see that Daniel is the person doing the vlog. The intros accompanying each vlog also mention Daniel by name. As Brian stated, he and Dennis post all the vlogs, so the same situation applies to all the other vlogs, including Two Gay Guys, Angry Puppy, Heidi Chronicles, Flaming Politics, etc. Aside from you and Mike, I don't recall anyone else being confused about who deserves credit for each vlog on this site.
Wow, that's a lot of analysis of what amounts to simply my opinion. It's nice to see...Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Tue, 2008-09-02 13:25....that you've 'lowered the bar' on viewing requirements from two examples to just one. The 50% decrease in unnessesary digging is much appreciated! I'm going to try to walk a fine line, here and not inadvertantly downplay the importance of AE's editors or the quality of the hard work they put into AE, but there is an elephant in the room: Editors don't get bylines unless they have also authored the piece. In publishing, that's not an 'implied' or a 'sometimes it's done this way' type of scenario. Creating a byline using an editor's name indicates that the editor is also the author (which is often true for articles and vlogs on AE, but not in this case). No amount of saying, "that's how it's done here" changes the professionally-recognized conventions. Editors get their own set of conventions regarding authorship, like square brackets, elipses and italics (i.e., [Brian Juergens - editor]) but they never include bylines. Bylines are reserved to indicate authorship only. It's no surprise when a reader believes that the person listed in the byline is the creator of the piece. To my mind, it seems pretty unfair to single out any commenter for drawing that very logical and legitimate conclusion because it makes it seem like we're not yet 'in the club' of those who understand how differently things work here.
_______________________________________ -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..." 'Aside from you and Mike, ISubmitted by
Tony (332 points) (69 posts) on Sat, 2009-01-03 16:34.'Aside from you and Mike, I don't recall anyone else being confused about who deserves credit for each vlog on this site. ' Add me to the list. I have an appalling memory and need to reference back after watching the vlog.. I mistakenly thought Daniel was Brian.  Dear Daniel,Submitted by
Rajah (130 points) (31 posts) on Sat, 2008-08-30 18:38.Dear Daniel, Apart from you being dashingly handsome (ok - you must admit - you are tooooooo cute...), you are truly interesting. I love your VLogs and watch religiously when they are posted here at afterelton.com. I was wondering though, how do you come up with your topics for your "Mores". Are they chosen randomly? Do you use comments to suggest new ones? I mean, if so - may I be so bold as to make a reccomendation: "When is it appropriate to call your significant other: boyfriend, lover, partner, or 'husband'?" Anyway, please keep up the great work. It is such a pleasure to see you and confirm the idea that we are a society, one in which guidance is needed from time to time, and futher not cementing any stereotypes of our culture. More Daniel...Submitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Sun, 2008-08-31 14:10.For those (like me) who can't get enough... -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..." That standup clip was funny...Submitted by
Bill S (2016 points) (407 posts) on Mon, 2008-09-01 20:11.Now I gotta know: what Kelly Clarkson video was he in? As for this vlog, it was probably his funniest so far! The VideoSubmitted by
David E is a Fraud! (315 points) (162 posts) on Tue, 2008-09-02 10:43.Now I gotta know: what Kelly Clarkson video was he in?
Kelly Clarkson - 'Walk Away' Video
__________________________________________ -Sibelius "It's curtains for you, Dr. Horrible. Lacy, wafting curtains..."  How would you handle aSubmitted by
atweaver (382 points) (75 posts) on Wed, 2008-09-03 11:32.How would you handle a one-way mirror behind the urinals?
There is a bar in Overland Park, KS that has one. The women who know about it love to walkdown the hall and wave. |
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