"Newsweek" makes a religious case for gay marriage
The cover story for the December 15 issue of Newsweek, "Our Mutual Joy" (by Lisa Miller), takes a close look at religious arguments against gay marriage and what the Good Book actually says (or, sometimes more importantly, does not say) about the idea. Much like the excellent documentary For the Bible Tells Me So, the Newsweek piece takes a hard look at exactly what the Bible says about marriage, homosexuality, and the place where the two meet. Not surprisingly, the fundamental text is not as anti-gay as many Prop 8 supporters would like us to think it is: "First, while the Bible and Jesus say many important things about love and family, neither explicitly defines marriage as between one man and one woman. And second, as the examples above illustrate, no sensible modern person wants marriage—theirs or anyone else's —to look in its particulars anything like what the Bible describes." Ultimately Miller concludes that not only would conservatives be batty to use the Bible's commentary about marriage as a model for contemporary relationships (unless you want your husband to sleep with servants if you are infertile or marry several people at once, as several of the founding fathers of the Judeo-Christian tradition have done) but that ultimately the Good Book argues in favor of the stability and promotion of love that gay marriage provides.
It's an interesting piece, and a photo gallery of images like the ones above accompanies it. Check it out and discuss in the comments! Submitted by on Mon, 2008-12-08 10:01. |
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At Least We Have Newsweek
THANK GOD FOR NEWSWEEK!
Great article
This article was very good, now if only fundies understood a coherent argument. Many people don't actually invest time to see what is actually in the bible and just take the word of religous zealots for fact. However, I wish there was a way to debunk these myths in a more visible way. The article is great and all but it can't reach those who really need to read it. I wish there was a some sort of live national televised debate on this issue in which the fundies arguments would be torn to pieces. The right's arguments hold no water.
History will remember these hate mongers as the fools they truly are.
The Bible can't be the source of morality
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It's all very well that a 'biblical' case has been made for gay marriage but I can't help thinking- why does such a case need to be made? There are false statements in the Bible. Therefore, one can't uncritically accept what the Bible says to be true. Even if Jesus had said unequivocally that '1 + 1 = 5', that wouldn't make it true. So, likewise, even if we assume the Bible says unequivocally, 'gay marriage is wrong', that wouldn't make it wrong. There need to be independent arguments for the moral conclusions one reaches, and these might not chime with the Bible. I can't help think that the article could have been better directed trying to convince people not to fall for the fallacy that, because the Bible says it, it's true.
Theoretically, you're
Theoretically, you're exactly right, of course. But the article was written primarily for an American audience, and a huge proportion of Americans get their moral authority from the Bible. And more importantly, a huge proportion get their anti-gay opinions from the Bible. So to argue against the fallacy you describe would be pointless for all of those people. Since they will continue to seek their morality from the Bible, it then becomes worthwhile to address the issue on a Biblical level.
I've believed since I was a kid that it makes no sense to believe that the Bible could be the literal word of God. But that's how even very intelligent people continue to view it. There are two people I know well at work who have advanced degrees, but believe that the earth was created 8000 years ago because of literal Bible chronology. Pointing out the obvious impossibility of that does no good. If the Bible says it, it has to be true since it's the literal Word of God. So if a case for gay equality and gay marriage can be made within the context of the Bible, then it's worth it to give those people an opportunity to think of gay issues in a new way.
But the fact that people
But the fact that people can't see that one can't uncritically source their morality from the Bible is the most important issue. Yes, pragmatically speaking, to convert people to the gay marriage cause it might be necessary to pander to incorrect beliefs. But this is far from ideal.
Ask the people who justify their position that the Bible is 100% truth, how do you know this? If they say, the Bible says so, then their argument is circular. If they say, God told me so, ask them how they know, and whether the confirming experience could be verified. It couldn't, therefore it is false. To accept that the Bible is 100% true because it is the literal word of God cannot be confirmed by any experience or non-circular argument.
I see the pragmatic case, but it should always be made with a proviso- that, even were the Bible to say that 'Homosexuality is wrong', that wouldn't make it so.
I highly recommend "The
WTH! Why would anyone want
Jackson, You don't want to get married?
Accepted? Respectable?
Now those are goals that I don't give a crap about. It's nice to be respected, sure - but only by people I respect myself. And that's their choice and mine.
Equal treatment under the law, on the other hand, is absolutely non-negotiable.
No, not "distant gay traces" -- it's distingué traces!