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ATWT video clip update: Adiós Ameera
Today on As the World Turns, Luke and Noah bid an awkward farewell to Ameera. She's off to Los Angeles to stay with friends of her mother's. As a parting gift she's applied for an annulment.
Later, the boys meet for coffee, and Luke is surprised (and pleased) to discover that Noah is jealous of Reg. Does this mean the boys are getting back together, or should Luke be headed for Reg's hot tub after all? Check out today's Nuke video clip after the break... If you missed it, be sure and check out Brian's liveblog from earlier today. As always, you can find earlier clips, liveblogs, and other goodies over on our ATWT Resource Page. Submitted by on Wed, 2008-06-18 15:57. |
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Noah's a stupid dumbass (s-word)
Ok....Luke rocks.....and Noah's just being the biggest ass.
LUKE LOVES YOU - YOU KNUCKLEHEAD!! And you need him more than ever right now.
TIIC who write this stuff are just going to elongate Noah's angst...I don't understand why he's as broken up about his father's death....the man wanted him and Luke dead. And if Lucinda hadn't intervened with Luke, Noah may have been as well as Ameera. So let's get over this already....
Of course, we have to wait until 03 July when Cyndi Lauper sings her magic song and all is right again in Jokedale.
Van's acting is the only good thing about this show right now. He's great!!!
Van yes but Noah also
haha
It is a very good drama,
I hope that they together, but there are always some misunderstanding generated.
Hold the truck....
I know, I know...
Does nobody on that show think to question anything that comes out of that woman's mouth?
Nobody ever really asked how it was that she managed to travel to America, from a war zone, while supposedly impoverished and locate Noah with all the precision of a GPS-guided smart bomb. Likewise, her exact ties to Winston were never clearly explained. Now this.
I thought that the whole reason behind the urgent need for Noah's help was because she had nowhere else to turn? So let me see if I understand this correctly. In coming to America she had two choices: 1) go seek out these people who were apparently friends of her mother or 2) seek out Noah, whom she had never met and who had no idea who she was.
Hmmmmmm...
Then again, if Winston had ever told her and her mother what a gullible idiot Noah was he may have seemed like the better option I suppose.
Ameera finale a let down.
I vote for the hot tub and
maybe they can bring back Kevin who is now bi-curious and re-thinking a walk on the wild side with Luke.
Capt. Pervy could be in jail rotting away forever and Noah couldn't care less. Now that he's supposed to be dead Noah has Daddy issues? He'll only have more when Captain Pervy turns up with his shotgun again because he sure as hell isn't dead.
Too much of a head case, Luke. DUMP HIM!
Yah I think the Colonel will be back.
So we're never going to find
You should check out yesterday's AWZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN_TP9NEpoI&eurl
Deniz still pretends he's not gay, nonetheless the way he kisses Roman is 1000 times hotter then every kiss we've ever seen between Luke and Noah. And now that they broke up I guess we'll have to wait another year before there'll be any gay PDA again on ATWT
Thanks
Thanks for the link Frank and the reminder. I stop watching ever since the DeVa debacle. Made me mad.
Prompted me to do some catching up and that is some interesting development. There is a saying that says "When there was fire, ashes remain" and ashes can rekindle. So it will be interesting to se if they go that route.
BTW, that catching up really paid off; sex in the lockeroom an all. LOL.
Different perspective
OK, so I'm new to the board and to the "Nuke" thing, but recently discovered this story line (and like others have spent days on YouTube watching it unfold) and have become completely obsessed with it. I love both these characters, and can't get over how talented these young actors are.
So here's my two cents:
First, I'm glad that the whole Ameera storyline has been dropped, unresolved and all, because it's just silly. That said, I'm gonna miss seeing Tala Ashe. She's smokin' hot.
Next, I agree that Noah is being a little dense here, but consider the magnitude of what this guy is supposed to be going through. He's just lost his father (ok, not really-- that character is SO going to re-emerge from behind some dark corner when it's least expected. but I digress) who was his last remaining family member. That's always a really hard thing to experience-- a very lonely place, no matter what age you are when it happens, but especially if you're young. The relationship with his dad was awful, but it was the only thing he knew. To be fully and finally divorced from all of your family that way has got to feel isolating and scary, especially with so many conflicts and so much disapproval from Col. Crazy. While Pops was in prison, Noah could maintain his anger, and not confront his sadness about his dad and could still maintain whatever unreasonable hope there was that one day they'd reconcile. With him dead (but not really, see above) that's no longer possible. And it has to make him wonder if he's really ready for Luke to step into that place in his life -- to become his family. I totally get this, and I think Jake is doing a great job playing these conflicts.
Also, Noah has difficulty processing his emotions anyway, and was brought up to be completely guarded. So his instinct is to push Luke away rather than be vulnerable. I totally get this, too. I agree that Luke ought to be hurt, but in all honesty I think he's being a little whiny and clingy in these last few episodes, and a little selfish. I mean, if a guy tells you he loves you and asks for some space, the way you can be sure to get him back is to give it to him, let him realize what he's got, let him miss you (I say this as a guy-- I'm really relating to Noah here). Luke wants to be there for him. I get that, too. But Noah has to get to the place mentally that he's ready for him to be. You can tell he's still in love with him, he's just processing so much and trying to maintain a stoic exterior that he can't deal with the consequences of letting his guard down.
So I read a comment, here or on another board, that someone thought that Lucinda should just sit down with both of them and knock some sense into them. Totally agreed. She's a bad ass. I've only known about this story for a week or so, and I'm way ready for them to take it physical already. I agree that there's absolutely no way in real life that two guys this hot would've been able to stay out of each other's pants for this long. But soap operas aren't known for their realism. That said, it's crazy that it's summer and these guys go through their scenes wearing so much clothing. That's just gotta stop. Hopefully the writers are building to the big "love scene" that will be as ground-breaking as the Kiss was. Don't know if America is ready for that on Daytime, but I sure as hell am.
And finally, is it just me or do other people hope Van brings Tyler Hanes to the Emmys? Tyler is just Hot hot HOT.
Summer in Illinois.
ATWT is set in Illinois, where I currently live; just two weeks ago, it was in the 40s; this morning, it was in the 50s, so I'm still wearing a jacket.
This is why I'm moving back to Florida! The weather is too, too unpredictable here, with 40 degree drops in a matter of hours! At least in Florida, you know every summer day is going to be the same: hot, humid, and a massive downpour at 3pm.
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Fair enough
Good point, and one I hadn't thought about since I'm in NC, where it's been in the 90's after two weeks of 100+
North Carolina
I'm with you
I'm completely with you on your analysis. I was going to sit down and write something that would have said what you did about Noah's psychology, and now I don't have to! For some reason a lot of people here want to grossly oversimplify the situation: Noah's Dad was a bad guy, therefore it should be simple for him to say good riddance and move on. For most people, the human psyche simply doesn't work that way. The complexity is immense, the demands of the mind and spirit pull a person in multiple directions at once, and you often can't get your reactions in line with what your intellect tells you your reactions SHOULD be. And because Noah is feeling all of these competing reactions he truly does need time to decompress and get his act together. Because he wasn't able to instantly move beyond everything and be totally balanced and wonderful about everything, it doesn't make him a nutcase, a mental defective, or anything else people are calling him.
In fact, I love how they're handling this right now. The characters are acting like real people, with flaws and overreactions and everything else that constitutes a "real person". People seem to want each of them to react in textbook balanced fashion and be perfect. No one in real life is perfect, and one of the great things about soaps is that no characters are perfect. In real life, those imperfections are often more pronounced at 19 than later in life. Everyone has wanted ATWT to treat Luke and Noah like other characters, and they're now doing that.
One last observation. A lot of folks here have said things like "I would drop him immediately", "everyone I know thinks Luke shouldn't waste any time on Noah", etc. My answer to that: now you know why real life relationships break up so readily, why the divorce rate is so high, etc. If you love someone you go with them through troubles, you give space when necessary, you fight through your insecurities and shortcomings as well as those of the other person, etc. If you're not willing to do those things your relationships won't last very long.
hmmm
the thing i wish they would do is have noah and luke communicate. luke wants noah to talk....and all noah does is grunt and look like he's about to cry all the time.....and yell and remind luke "my wiiife, daddy didnt love me...i wanted his wuuuvvv"
I've had relationships when things were bad....but the thing that would keep us going was communication. Luke seems to be the type that may not want to hear it, but needs to hear it. maybe if noah would just tell luke straight out "ok i blame you because of yadda yadda yadda...." - - just mayyybe luke could say "well, this is why i did what i did..." and geez...who knows? they could probably have a full out mature conversation instead of luke acting like his life depends on noah (chh, typical soap writing...)
I understand noah wanting to be loved by his father….but at the same time, his father was more than the typical "you're gay and I disown you" parent…..the man killed noah's mother and tried to kill luke….(he also tried to kill ameera…or was it kidnap? Either way…) so his dad is beyond just an ass….he's a freaking PSYCHO. I am surprised he didn't pull a hannibal lecter and try to eat luke's face off.
Plus, soaps should seriously explore therapy more. Hell, I've been in therapy since I was like 14 and whether therapy may never 100% help our issues….(family,friends, etc) it does help some people get the chance to just TALK TALK TALK…even if they don't make sense. I mean, that's what they're paid for. (at least, mine is) I bet if noah sat in a chair and just vented his guts out….he'd leave that room feeling like a weight was lifted…he could go see luke, maybe talk about some of the things he said in therapy…and then they could do whatever the heck normal couples do in oakdale. LMAO.
Of course, I don’t mind crazy and tacky drama…but I like romance (soaps use to be nothing but romance and drama) But what we're getting now isn't crazy nor tacky. It's just DUMB, DUMB, DUUUMMMBBBB. If there's a word that means something more than dumb, then yeah….it's that.
*feels better already* :-P
Therapy
Good point about therapy. I've never really had any, but know people who have. Plus, I've seen movies!!! :) Anyway, Noah would benefit a lot. But here's the thing - in real life people with problems often don't WANT therapy, or they don't think they need it. Often, the ones that need it the most are the ones most against getting it. I certainly needed it in my formative years (though not related in any way to being gay), and never even thought of it (stoic Norwegians, ya know; you betcha). If you've been in therapy since 14, surely you know, or know of, multitudes of people FAR more screwed up than Noah. Plus, therapy doesn't really work well dramatically in the soap world context.
And the thing with Noah is that there's really no sign that he's long term screwed up - at least in a clinical sense. He just went through an incredibly stressful period where he seemingly lost his father, his "wife" (who felt somewhat like family to him since his father had been a father figure of sorts to her), etc. A person, even a totally normal person, needs time to move past things. That's just how life works.
Also, he's new to being gay, his new identity goes against everything he was raised to believe, and he's 19. And for both Luke and Noah, it's their very first relationship. Again, I don't WANT them to be completely balanced, totally together, and make all the right decisions. Their current pyschological turmoil is anything but dumb - it's extraordinarily like real life, lived by real people. I've been appalled at much of the writing on ATWT, but kudos to whoever is doing the writing for this storyline right now.
Agreed
New to being gay, new to being on his own (away from family), new to being a "grown up" All measure up to internal conflicts. That said I think mostly Noah is being a GUY. Luke's response is a more sterotypical female one, which is what makes this story so fascinating to me. I think it would be great for the writers to lead them to a big, emtional melding of sorts where Luke backs off and keeps his own hurt feelings in check (by relying on his family support structure which Noah doesn't have) long enough to have Noah finally come to him, to finally let him in. Can't you see the scene? Noah finally letting his guard down, talking to Luke and being vulnerable, getting really angry then letting himself cry instead of holding back with Luke there to help him through it? To me it would be totally legitimate after all this time for them to have a breakthrough moment like that on the "emotional" side before they get physical.
But then they need to get over it and get physical. ;-)
May I ask, have you ever
Only saw a couple of clips
if you are interested in
if you are interested in soaps you should give it a try. It has some interesting very classic triangle writing I think even if you were to end up deciding that it's not your thing. All clips can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/user/ichglotzutube
There is a blog dedicated only to gay storylines on soap operas: http://gaydaytime.blogspot.com/
Oh. My Gawd.
So, I've just spent the last day or two trying to get through the Christian - Oliver storyline and HOLY CRAP. Those guys are way way hot, the story is really well written, and the chemistry between the actors is just intoxicating.
So I'm now newly, newly obsessed. I still like Luke and Noah, but wow. Some of the scenes between Christian and Ollie are AMAZING-- and not just the make-out scenes. They portray a complicated and loving male bond that is really beautiful to watch.
I've never had a reason to learn German before, but I'm thinking about taking it on...
For those who wonder why...
...so many of us have become obsessed with Ollian!
Yes, they're two really hot guys having a really well-done romance that doesn't leave you wondering if they're really even bi/gay (unlike Nuke). The looks Thore and Jo manage to give each other as Christian and Olli are nothing short of smoldering and they've managed to get the characters right all the way down to the little gestures and mannerisms you would expect to see from two men in love.
The fact that Ollian are also actually lovers, which we have seen onscreen, rather than two neutered guys fantasizing about becoming lovers, also adds enormous flavor to the whole thing. Throw in a believable storyline and it is just sooooooo addictive!
I'm glad you like it.
I'm glad you like it. Personally, I have never bought into the idea that if you like Christian and Oliver you can't like Luke and Noah anymore or vice versa. They both are storylines in their own right. When the C&O storyline bugs me I complain about it. If the Nuke storyline bugs me I complain about it. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.
Besides, two storylines is better than one, right? ;D So if one of them is currently going slow, you can see if anything fun is happening in the other and vice versa. It's the best of all worlds.
Glad I could contribute to your obsession :)
I Agree....
I don't see why it has to be one or the other either. I enjoy both. Just because you find a new flavor of ice cream doesn't mean the old one doesn't taste good anymore. There are things I love about each storyline and the characters and there are things that bug/annoy me about each of them. And unlike most I don't compare them because they're very different stories on very different shows featuring very different characters. And as much as I enjoy FL and C/O, my heart will always belong to Luke, Noah and ATWT, simply because I share a lifelong history and affection with the show and the characters that inhabit Oakdale.
It's no different than...
It's no different than sitcoms, or cops shows, or any other genre where the individual shows are all part of the same theme. Sometimes you like a given show and it's storyline, sometimes you don't.
For example, people often forget that prior to Will & Grace, Debra Messing appeared in a less successful but somewhat similar sitcom called Ned & Stacey. Only N&S was kind of a timid, not-quite-W&G where instead a straight woman living with her gay male best friend, it was a straight woman living in a marriage of convenience with a straight man who nonetheless acted rather gay. It was, ultimately, just not as funny as W&G and didn't last.
In the case of Nuke, I was much more enthusiastic about them last year. But as we came into 2008 they substantially cooled off their romance, which hadn't yet made it off the ground as it was, and instead introduced the Ameera storyline which frankly just sucked. Consequently my interest and approval in Nuke and ATWT has plummetted.
For me quality is more important than quantity. But I understand that some people enjoy Nuke.
You should write for ATWT
Wow! You should write for the show! You're right about Noah, he's more of a typical "guy", which is totally natural considering his upbringing with a military guy for a father. He's never been allowed to express his feelings, and he's probably had a lifetime of repressing them. Now he's finally able to open his shuttered soul a bit, and then he runs into the multiple buzz-saw of his revered father killing his mother, trying to kill his boyfriend, totally not accepting his true identity, and then "dying" in front of his eyes. Now he's overwhelmed with emotion he can't express. Your idea of having Luke back off, and then Noah finally coming to him is perfect. He'd then have the classic explosion of emotion, with an all-time classic crying scene.
And then they'll get physical! For what it's worth, I've been saying for a couple of months that they would indeed get physical, even when everyone else was saying TPTB would never let it happen. I pledged to donate $500 to HRC if they haven't been in bed (for sex) by the end of the year. (I know, that's way too long. They're VERY slow, but it WILL happen.)
I'm hopeful for Cindy week.
I'm hopeful for Cindy week. In that regard. For a big reunion moment including sex. Though chances are that they will just sit down and decide that they have to take it slow again.
I do think it will happen and it will happen this summer. Because these days summer is the only time soaps do anything daring because all the school kids are home.
However, if they wanted Noah to be that stoic they should have tuned down some of the extremely sappy dialog he had in regards to how much Luke means to him.
It's true. Noah HAS had some sappy dialogue
If you decide to give
Sounds good
Too funny. If my current job doesn't work out, maybe I'll become a soap writer.
I think they ought to "hit it" this summer, but if I were a producer of the show, I would want to drag that out as long as possible and really build it up. Once it happens the story can go in many other, exciting directions, but they'r enever going to get as much "buzz" as they do from this couple's first time.
I think these characters could be around (SHOULD) be around for awhile. "Luke and Noah" sounds so much like "Luke and Laura" and these actors work really well together, so it has the makings of one of those classic daytime couples.
(I'm in the Research Triangle area of NC, by the way)
You mentioned you were new
You mentioned you were new to Nuke... maybe that is connected to it. If you just caught up with the storyline and saw it all together within a few days it might give you a different perspective. The people who follow the storyline have been waiting for an entire year for them to "get there" and I think some of the frustration comes from people feeling like the show is intentionally stalling for ridiculous reasons.
I like you actually subscribe to this concept of classic soap storytelling where the show makes you wait forever, where they make you yearn and ache for it. The whole problem with this is that this classic soap storytelling only works if after the waiting it is followed by the payoff that is worth it. A huge romantic love scenes, a location shoot, a dream wedding, a miracle baby, these are the things that made those classic soap couples because even though the wait was long, the payoff was worth it.
The problem is that people are doubting that the payoff will ever come. Because the show has done things like avoid letting the characters kiss for so long people have stopped trusting that the show will dare to give them a really good, powerful love scene or the like that manage to balance it all. And the whole point about classic storylines is that if they want to make Nuke that then they have to have the guts to go all the way. Not only or not is so much sexually but from a storytelling POV, from the amount of intimacy you show, from the screentime you give them, from the amount of storyline focus you give them. And that is where I think the people are doubtful. They feel the show has messed up the payoff before, see that they aren't doing very well in regards to payoff in the other, straight storylines either and therefore think that when the payoff comes they will manage to muck it up in some way to make it feel unsatisfying and held back.
makes total sense
I think you're right-- if i'd been watching this for a year I would probably be fed up by now. A week? Not so much. But yes. if there's no big pay-off, then the build up is just cruel. I have to think that ATWT knows what it has here-- from all I've read this story line has thrown them a life jacket. I hope the show will have the courage to continue to break ground. I think people can handle it, certianly the actors can. Let these excellent actors loose so they can portray a fuller relationship-- loving but steamy, too.
May I ask how you came
May I ask how you came across the storyline at this point?
I think time and sitting through it certainly has something to do with it. For example, watching the entire show and seeing how the straight couples fall into bed with each other within two weeks while Nuke goes at snail pace. Having great hopes for a particular episode and then being disappointed. Like hoping for the Christmas episode and instead of a kiss having the camera pan away.
And there is the eternal frustration that you have in most soaps that characters just don't act and react like normal people most of the time. That can be very frustrating especially when it lasts for long periods of time.
There's also the factor that it often feels like all shows have abandoned this type of classic soap couple writing even when they try, So that lowers the confidence that they will be able to do it with Nuke when they do a bad job even with the couple that don't have Focus For the Family nipping at their heels.
total happenstance
May I ask how you came across the storyline at this point?
by complete and total accident on YouTube. Oh, brave new world...
Welcome to the "Obsessed" club.
Oh jeez...do not pass GO, do not collect $200 and go directly...
to
jailthe hot tub Luke as fast as you can! I mean really, first Noah keeps pushing Luke away and now he's all freakin' jealous about Reg? I don't get this guy at all.dgd417
Oh jeez...do not pass GO, do not collect $200 and go directly...
to
jailthe hot tub Luke as fast as you can! I mean really, first Noah keeps pushing Luke away and now he's all freakin' jealous about Reg? I don't get this guy at all.dgd417
He's just a mess..... Turning into Rain Man if you ask me
Even Luke is going a little nuts, which I would hope would be his way of getting the backbone to stop pushing a man to love him in a way that he's never ever been able to. Noah has shown time and time again that Luke is last one the list and even if he took a lie detector test and passed with flying colors to support the belief that he's in love with Luke, do some really believe that feelings are more important than actions?
So Noah is wounded by his horrible upbringing? Next?..... Heck half of Oakdale is related, has been shot more than once, and has suffered worse fates than Noah. Enough already.... Part of what makes any of these characters interesting is their imperfections, but Noah's is so limp as it's not even stop and go. It's time for some hot-tubbing before I lose any remaining interest in Luke too as his coming after Noah to save what does not exist is like watching that play that the annoying Snyder girls put together a few weeks back.
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Jake's Acting
... is an issue. To be honest, with everything that is going on in Noah's life and the material he is given, especially over the last couple of weeks, JS should be turning in Emmy-worthy performances. Instead, he's just ok, sometimes pretty good. But never stellar or memorable. He's not embarassing like he was in the early days, but I think the reason why Noah comes across as a petulant a**hole is because the actor is unable to portray the conficted, tormented and haunted emotions that his current storyline requires.