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Marc & Lee channel Agatha Christie's greatest literary detectives in order investigate recent Doctor Who episodes, as well as unwrap the mysteries of the Battlestar Galactica mid-season finale. Also, Marc, still giddy that no one correctly answered the latest Mystery Geek Challenge, shares the geek highlights of NewFest and questions Beth Grant's true commitment to Sparkle Motion. Also in this episode, the boys of Angry Puppy review The Beast with a Billion Backs, Journey to the Center of the Earth and Polar Opposites. Check it out after the break! Submitted by on Mon, 2008-06-23 11:40. |





I loved The Unicorn and the
I loved The Unicorn and the Wasp.
*spoiler*
DONNA:
That poor footman. Roger’s dead and he can’t even mourn him. 1926, it’s more like the dark ages.
Gays in the Time of Agatha
More reasons to like Donna. :)
I was never a Catherine Tate fan, more from ignorance of her work than from not liking her. Her publicist should take note that she has at least one more fan who will be getting more of her stuff on DVD because of this role!
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Great Vlog again
Poirot and Marple sniffing out cylons. Still can't help but thinking that Number 3 would just try to shank Ms. Marple.
BSG: "Revelations" was really good. What did you guys think of the reveal that Earth is just a nuked out husk of a planet?
Can you believe that there are actually people on the Internet saying that "it's not really earth" "it must be the Alpha Centauri System"(Which is incredibly absurd)?
Honestly, I have no idea what Ronald Moore is going to do for the now last 11 episodes. What else is there to do? Except explain the weird Hybrid from "Razor" and How the Hybrids know absolutely everything. And, exactly what the hell is Kara Thrace afterall? The only thing I can think of is that the Originating Artificial Intelligence responsible for all the Cylons and prophetic Hybrids is somewhere on the planet.
Doctor Who:
Marc, I watched the Agatha Christie episode of Doctor Who and I agree, it was a very entertaining episode. Doctor Who is probably best at these weird pseudo-historical themes with lots of humor.
Recommendations:
- Warren Ellis' Astonishing X-Men run begins on July 2nd. I'm really looking forward to this run. I can just imagine Ellis' dialog for Emma Frost.
- Warren Ellis' "No Hero" Issue 0 with Art by Juan Jose Ryp is coming out on Wednesday. I highly recommend this miniseries. The hyper-detailed art by Ryp is worth the $1 alone (Wait, that sounds like an insult). The plot is weird sci-fi historical superheroes. Psychedelic drugs invented by a 60's guru give people superpowers. It actually much better than my pathetic description.
- Absolute Sandman Volume 3 HC Recently came out. This is Neil Gaiman we're talking about so it's definitely good. It has Sandman Issue #50 with art by P Craig Russell. That is probably the best issue of the entire series. I won't spoil it for any one who hasn't had the pleasure of reading it.
- Coraline Graphic Novel Adaptation by P Craig Russell and Neil Gaiman: They're making an animated movie from this story to be released in February 2009. It's a wonderful story about a little girl who's ignored by her parents and all the unusual adults in the coop apartment house they live in. She goes exploring this house out of boredom and discovers a door that leads to a weird parallel universe that has strange versions of all the people she knows. Very Creepy. And with P Craig Russell's ART sure to be absolutely beautiful. This book is available tomorrow.
BSG, Sandman, Coraline
I think the last episodes will just wrap up the loose ends, frankly. There's not a lot of time left to explain that four-toed sta... Wait, wrong show.
I've been peddling the Absolute Sandman over in the "store" on our site. (If you were going to buy it anyway, you might as well support your local Puppy!) Issue #50 is the one that takes place in Baghdad, right? Artwork = yes. I wouldn't say it's my favorite, but I'm not sure I could pick a favorite. It depends on the metric we're using.
I can't wait for Coraline. I posted the trailer on our site a while back, and I just noticed the 3D connection with this episode. They're planning some games based on the movie too, but I don't think even Neil Gaiman could overcome the curse of games based on movies.
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Coraline Trailer
That Coraline Trailer is amazing. I love those really sharp "mechanical"(?) sewing hands making a button-eyed doppleganger of Coraline. This may have been in a different teaser on youtube. It was awesome.
"- Coraline Graphic Novel
"- Coraline Graphic Novel Adaptation by P Craig Russell and Neil Gaiman...And with P Craig Russell's ART sure to be absolutely beautiful. This book is available tomorrow. "
SERIOUSLY?! That sounds SO cool!
I thought he was adapting "Dream Hunters", but either one would be beautiful, I'd buy it in a heartbeat! And I'd agree with you that his issue of Sandman was THE best illustrated issue of the whole series, IF we didn't have those wonderful Michael Zulli drawn issues on the last arc! ;)
And it's criminal how awesome the Absolute Sandman volumes look, it's like coercing the readers into buying them!
Oh, and Lee and Marc, another great episode, fellas - LOVE the wig and the mustache!
"I walk with dignity. I step with pride."
Zulli / Multiple Illustrators
I like Michael Zulli's artwork in "The Wake" now, but I remember being a little thrown off when I was first reading, because the style was so different than how I pictured all the characters in my head.
That's a compliment, really, though. One of the best things about reading a series with multiple artists is that you're challenged again and again to redefine the characters.
I was reading Hellblazer a lot recently (if you recall), and even though I have a couple of favorite illustrators (Frusin, Camuncoli), I'm glad that the others are there. Otherwise, John Constantine would be too "pretty" in my head. He's drawn pretty rough sometimes.
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Y'know, Lee...
I like Michael Zulli's artwork in "The Wake" now, but I remember being a little thrown off when I was first reading, because the style was so different than how I pictured all the characters in my head.
That's a compliment, really, though. One of the best things about reading a series with multiple artists is that you're challenged again and again to redefine the characters.
Oh, you're totally right, man, ESPECIALLY when you apply that to Sandman. One arc we'd get Sam Keith, the other it'd be Kelley Jones, then there'd be a three or four issue arc with a different artist per issue...It was great seeing all those different interpretations of the characters. Granted, that's something I've only come to appreciate later, but when I *got* it...oh, boy.
And I think Zulli's art was particularly jarring because the artist of the previous arc was Marc Hempel, who had a COMPLETELY different art style.
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Oh, man, how great was it that they've put Richard Corben AND Marcelo Frusin working on Hellblazer?!
"I walk with dignity. I step with pride."
Absolute Sandman
Lee saw me fondle the first volume of this masterpiece for half an hour in a bookstore last year
before determining that I just couldn't justify the spend (since I have all the Sandman volumes), and also because it would take up a significant percentage of our small Manhattan apartment.
Metabaron - thanks for the great rcommendations!
Those Absolutes, heh, Marc?
before determining that I just couldn't justify the spend (since I have all the Sandman volumes)
Glad to know I'm not the only one who completely DROOLS over those things, despite having all of the Sandman volumes... :)
Besides, there's the Absolute Starman volumes coming up, so we've gotta prioritize, man!
"I walk with dignity. I step with pride."
I did the same thing, Marc...
You're the Best Uncle Ever!
Oh, if only only the young me had had family members who were into this stuff.
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X-Men & Murder by Death
Marc,
I'm glad you liked them.
I'm curious to know whether you think Warren Ellis will be a good fit for the X-Men; I mean compared to the Ed Brubaker and Matt Fraction Uncanny X-Men run beginning in Issue 500.
As something obliquely related to Agatha Christie, Ms. Marple and Poirot, have you ever seen "Murder By Death" with Peter Sellers, David Niven, Maggie Smith, Alec Guiness and Truman Capote? It's a spoof on all the mystery novel based movies.
Did you end up liking "Murder on the Orient Express", the movie?
A Brief synopsis and preview gallery for "No Hero" by Warren Ellis is at http://www.avatarpress.com/titles/warren-ellis-no-hero/
answers
Not sure about Ellis vs. Brubaker et al. I have to admit to being way behind on comics because I wait for TPBs and generally don't read individual issues, so for example I'm still catching up on the Whedon X-Men (4th volume was just published).
I haven't seen Murder By Death but I do know about it; I think it's on my Netflix queue somewhere!
I thought Orient Express was pretty good, the best thing about it was getting to see all that star power. I think this novel doesn't translate well to film because there's frankly too many characters and waaaay too much story to fit into even for a long film (and this was long - over 2 hours!). The result is you don't get to see a lot of some characters and it becomes necessary to speed through this excellent story. Actually this would've made an awesome miniseries.
I absolutely love Murder By
I absolutely love Murder By Death. I came across it via my Peter Falk obsession (not that kind of obsession.....well maybe a little bit) and try to watch it at least once a year now.
Tess : Twain picked up Sam in a gay bar.
Sam : I WAS WORKING ON A CASE!!!
Tess : Every night for SIX MONTHS?!
"The gas that kills!"
Preview
James,
Yeah, I've been waiting with anticipation for P Craig Russell's Coraline GN for 8 months since I found out about it. If you want to see some preview art go to www.pcraigrussell.net and scroll down for the various entries.
And yes, P Craig Russell is ALSO in the process of making the "Sandman: Dream Hunters" adaptation. It will first come out as a 4 - Issue miniseries before it is collected in a hardcover.
P. Craig Russell
Yeah, I've been waiting with anticipation for P Craig Russell's Coraline GN for 8 months since I found out about it. If you want to see some preview art go to www.pcraigrussell.net and scroll down for the various entries.
Hey, man, thanks for the link, I'm DEVOURING his website - The preview artwork in there is absolutely gorgeous! :)
Oh, it's going to be a mini first?! Bummer...That means I'll probably buy it as a mini AND as a hardcover edition. Dammit, nerds are so gullible!
"I walk with dignity. I step with pride."
UatW and TDD
I loved the Unicorn and the Wasp, it really cemented Donna as my favourite companion(second only to Sarah-Jane)
As for The Doctors Daughter, I really dont know where to start with it.
It was poor, very poor. Practically all of Marthas scenes could have ben cut from the show and I dont think the episode would have suffered for it, she really should have just left at the end of the preceeding episode and all of TDD could have focused more on the doctor, donna and jenny. I have always felt sorry for Martha/freema, she never seemed to have escaped from the ghost of rose and now she was outclassed by the donna and to a lesser extent Jenny.
Not that I cared much for Jenny, I cant quite place my finger on what I didnt like about her.
Martha / Freema
Yeah, Martha deserves better. I'm sure her fan sites were thrilled to see her regardless.
Jenny reminded me of a Spice Girl. Not in action, just appearance. Maybe that's what you didn't like?
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Martha = lesser then
I honestly think Martha's story on Who/TW has come to the end I dont she can really go any further as a character.
As for Jenny I guess its the actress I dont particularly care for, I didn't think she was very good.
And speaking of Agatha Christie, I absolutely LOVE the BBC Radio 4 adaptions of the Poirot and Marple books, if you are into audiobooks Marc you should give them a listen, John Moffat is perfect as Poirot and they have Edinas mother(june Whitfield)as Ms Marple.
Martha Jones
I really like Martha Jones, but I see what you mean. She's basically self-actualized, so what else could they do with the character?
To keep her a moving target, they'd need to have something happen to her that would completely shake her up. I still hope for more Martha on Torchwood, but if I wrote scripts, TV would be pretty dull, so I'll leave it to the experts.
[ Except for my ideas on how they screwed up the past couple seasons of Law & Order, but that's neither here nor there. ;) ]
Yay, audiobooks! They take up less space on the night table.
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Martha's future.
I like Martha too although not as much as I thought I was going to, when I heard that Martha was going to be a real doctor and more his equal I thought it was a step in the right direction but the execution of it was very dissapointing and she ended up being a rather doe-eyed substitute for rose, once Martha left the Tardis any momentum she had was lost and now shes just dead weight which is a real shame as I think freema had alot more to give to the role.
As for her on TW i'm a little bit more hopeful, obviously she would be a replacement for Owen and I feel she could be a strong moral anchor on the show and a rather more sympathetic character then the gurning gwen who I absolutely hate.
AgathaRadio
Orient Express was good...
...but Appointment With Death is better. It's Peter Ustinov's last screen appearance as Poirot, and the cast includes Lauren Bacall (again), Carrie Fisher, John Gielgud, Piper Laurie, Halley Mills,and...David Soul (How the heck did he get in there?!!!).
It was filmed in Isreal and the scenery is beautiful; you should check it out.
Mother and I would like to know
afhickman
"It takes a village (to make Village People)"
Why is Fred making Barney wear the wig again?
I watched the Agatha Christie episode on Doctor Who and caught ALL the references to her books, thank you. It's a trick the writers pulled in the earlier Shakespeare episode as well. (It's now officially time to stop, guys. I mean it.) Having said that, I reported on this episode a week ago (all right, not quite a week), but not knowing where to post it, I put it on the Flying Monkey. Nobody saw it. Here's the original post:
Doctor Who airs an "inclusive" episode
afhickman
"It takes a village (to make Village People)"
I just watched "The Unicorn and the Wasp," an episode of "Doctor Who," in which the Doctor teams up with Agatha Christie to solve a murder mystery. Among the suspects is the son of the manor, who is having an affair, ala "Maurice," with his own version of Alec Scudder. It's all a lot of fun, with tons of in-jokes for Christie fans, and it starts with a body in the library. As a bonus, even Donna is less irritating than usual!Gareth Roberts / Sci-Fi Course!
You'll have to take up the AfterElton stuff with the nice AE people. I think one or two of them follow these comments. :D
Gareth Roberts wrote both this episode and The Shakespeare Code, so there were a lot of similarities in the style.
But regarding your sci-fi course:
1) Cool! Where?
2) Are you looking for literature, films, series or anything? Define your parameters for us, and I'm sure the gentle folks reading these comments will help out too.
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Stranger in a Strange Land
afhickman
"It takes a village (to make Village People)"
I mostly looking for stories, as opposed to novels. Films would be okay, assuming they're available in PAL. I'm using an anthology entitled "The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy" by Garyn G. Roberts. It's amost twelve-hundred pages long, and it's bound to have something I can use, but so far, the pickings look pretty slim. By the way, I'm in Bulgaria, one of the more conservative outposts of the EU, so I probably won't be showing "The Rocky Horror Picture Show." But if it's serious lit or art, I am willing to put it out there for the students to judge for themselves.
Help on the Way?
This comment got buried, so Marc and I decided to put a request for submissions in the next vlog episode. Look for that soon!
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In the minority, I guess
I really enjoyed "The Doctor's Daughter" but something about the narrative pacing of "The Unicorn and the Wasp" bugged me,no pun intended.
How bad is it that I remember Marcia Wallace from reruns of Bob Newhart? At least it's just from reruns and not the first run.
The Doctor's Daughter
In my original notes (which I take as I watch), I liked the episode too. When I thought about it as a whole, though, it seemed very rushed, like they just needed to get Jenny to that spacepod at the end.
But the basic plot was interesting, and I've really warmed up to Donna!
Don't get Marc started on Bob Newhart. I can't explain it.
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Pacing
It's the running.
There honestly was a reason to run. I thought about it after TUatW, and I realized that, yeah, there's always some sort of deadline, something they have to do NOW before it's too late! Before Ms. Foster dissolves everyone into Adipose babies, before the volcano, before the Sontarans kill us all.
(I frequently take notes and "live-blog" the show in my LJ, amending my comments in such a way that they're vague and not really spoilery; I commented frequently on the set design in TUatW, for instance, which I adored. Then I can do longer reviews after the third or fourth viewing. And if anyone thinks that's bad, they should see what I did for Torchwood.)
But just wait until you get to "Midnight." I could hardly believe it had been a whole 45 minutes, time flew by so fast, and there was no running at all; in fact, it's claustrophobic. And it's AMAZING. RTD wrote all four of the final episodes of this series, and I"m curious to see if you'll agree with me that, while narratively the finale starts with "Turn Left," thematically it starts with "Midnight."
I meant to ask, is Marc really French? And stop showing off linguistically! JK, I'm a language geek, I enjoy that you're polyglots. I'm learning Welsh! I bought a book!
Oui oui
I am totally a French person, born in Paris, and grew up around France the US.
Lee's the linguist though; little-known Lee fact: he has a masters degree in Slavic languages.
Oh, He's French Alright
You should see the weird cheeses in our refrigerator. It's like living with Anya.
I can't say a thing in French except for two phrases I learned in my travels.
Montreal: "à louer", because everything was.
Switzerland: "interdit", because everything was.
I used to have at least one handbook for dozens if not hundreds of languages. I've mellowed out in my old age and struggle with just English in my brain.
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The Doctor's Daughter/Martha
Hyper-Sonics
I just heard Marc squeal from 3,000 miles away.
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Doctor Martha Jones
Not many can pull off that
Not many can pull off that hair Marc. It's pretty much you and Bea Arthur.
Oh, and CASUAL REFERENCE TO BEN FOR THE WIN!! I am now a official part of the Angry Puppy canon and need my own Top Trumps card and entry in the "Complete Angry Puppy Visual Encyclopedia" in stores this holiday season.
Ben, FTW! / Bea Arthur
OK, now it's just eerie. Not only do you get all the Mystery Geek Challenges, but you correctly guessed why we have that wig! And we didn't even ask...
I had a Bea-Arthur-themed birthday party a couple of years ago. It started out as a throw-away joke, but Marc turned it into an extravaganza.
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Secret Origin of Marc's Old Lady Wig
OMG - Ben nails it again! We were going to mention in the vlog that the wig comes from a surprise birthday party I threw for Lee a couple years ago. He knew I was throwing him a party but he didn't know it was a Bea Arthur theme party... so everyone was in wigs and
scary bea masks and i made this cake:
Martha's lot in life...
...seems to be doing the "heavy lifting". They always write her doing the 'crap' (thankfully, mostly off-screen) and getting only the occasional thank-you for it. In the "Blink" episode of DW, they said that while she and Doc were trapped in 1969, it was SHE who had to take a job to support them. In the Family of Blood/Human Nature two-part story, she had to take a job as maid at the school, putting up with the prevailing racist attitudes of the period. And of course in the season finale it was up to her to sneak around planet Earth for a year, being hunted by the Master's goons, spreading the word about the Doctor being able to save the world. She had to endure the idea that her family (and the Doctor) was being held hostage, and watch all sorts of death and destruction. The writers seem to like making her endure all sorts of hardships. The quicksand thing was just another day at the office by this time.
I'm a Total Dork for Martha
That quicksand scene made me a little verklempt.
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I am a huge Agatha Christie
I am a huge Agatha Christie fan too.
I counted 15 titles, Why didn't they ask Evans, The secret Adversary, N or M, Nemesis, Cat among the pigeons, dead man's folly, they do it with mirrors, appointment with death, cards on the table, sparkling cyanide, endless night, crooked house, taken at the flood, the moving finger and Death comes as the end.
Now that's the kind of mystery geek challenge that i could actually do, I haven't been able to do one since the Queen songs.
I've got that edition of the book that the Doctor shows Donna at the end, Death in the Clouds.
David Tennant's dad is in that episode, he's one of the waiters in the garden pouring the drinks.
Another great vlog guys.
Oh, no! Now I Have to Read Them!
Now I'll have to read all of Marc's Agatha Christie books.
It's not that I don't want to, but where will I find the time? ;)
Nice catch on David Tennant's father!
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"Agatha Christie" actress in "Jekyll"
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I say, to discover that none of the other gay geeks out there have mentioned another role of Fenella Woolgar's (Agatha Christie in "The Unicorn and the Wasp")! Especially since it's a gay role and she's not the only "Who" link to it. Last year the BBC broadcast a six-part series called "Jekyll" that was a modern retelling of the classic "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde."
The story revolves around the character of Tom Jackman who's apparently the last living descendant of Dr Jekyll (although the show loves stating that but also muddying the waters by mentioning that Dr. Jekyll had no heirs when he died). Anyway, Fenella Woolgar plays the part of Min, the pregnant lesbian lover of the detective that Tom's estranged wife hired to follow him. It's not a huge role, but she's around quite a bit and she's absolutely hilarious in the role... you wouldn't think it would be possible to be hilarious in a dark drama like this without coming across as corny, but she pulls it off wonderfully. "Pot... Kettle" ... 'nuff said (and yes, you'll have to watch the series to know what that means 'cause I'm not explaining).
At the risk of gushing too much about the series, it was really interesting (Dr. Jackman and Hyde communicating with each other by leaving messages a digital voice recorder, Dr. Jackman's quest to understand and control Hyde, Hyde's not-so-subtle ways of getting revenge on his alter-ego, the evil shadowy corporation following them, etc). I thought the final episode was a bit of a letdown, but overall the series was very interesting and gripping. James Nesbitt who played Tom Jackman/Hyde was amazing as Hyde... you could tell he really relished the role and he was a total joy to watch.
Oh, and I almost forgot the other Doctor Who connection... the series was written by Steven Moffat, who's written most of my favorite Doctor Who episodes. I'll be sorry to see Davies leave, but I'm pleased that Moffat's taking over the helm.
BTW, Marc... while I'll definitely grant you that "The Unicorn and the Wasp" was a pretty good Doctor Who episode... the best??? Come one... one word... "Blink". I'm still waiting for someone to buy me the tee-shirt. "The Angels Have the Phone Box". Downright creepy.
One final BTW: did ANYONE else think that the guy who played the priest looked eerily like Peter Davison in the preview to the episode?
Wow - major points and a spooky angel shirt for you!
I Didn't Know! Nice Catch!
I don't know if that ever played here, but now I want to see it very much.
I had the same thought about the "Blink" shirts. Within an hour or two after I watched it, I found dozens of "The Angels Have the Phone Box" t-shirts online - some good, some bad. I can't remember why I never made the purchase.
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Jekyll was released on DVD in the US...
... September last year. Here's a link to it on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Jekyll-Belinda-Stewart-Wilson/dp/B000QXDEH2.
I've been eyeing those same t-shirts. Don't know why I haven't caved and bought one either... although I HAVE been dropping not-very-subtle hints to my partner that one would make a GREAT present. Alas, it seems his sense of wimsy has gone missing. But now that MARC is getting me one I don't need to hint around any more! ;-) He's delivering it in person, right???
OK, I'm apparently being too silly this morning. Time for some coffee...
So I just finished watching the first two episodes...
...of The Middleman on ABC Family, and I've got to say it's kinda awesome. It's like a cross between Buffy, Men In Black, and The Tick. Plus it's got Matt Keeslar.
Have you guys seen it yet?
So far, so good!