Luckily, the dead space that is summer TV gives Angy Puppy's Marc & Lee time to catch up on the latest from gay comic artists Brian Andersen (So Super Duper) and Tommy Roddy (Pride High). With all this reading time, Marc's seemingly never-ending foray into the Dune universe and Lee's new-found interest in the Mayfair witches (including the ubiquitous gay and bisexual males found in all of Anne Rice's pre-conversion novels) led to their latest list of 15 favorite witches in geekdom.
Check it out after the break!
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I haven't watched it yet but
OK maybe not, I never would
OK maybe not, I never would have guessed the Top 2 as i've never seen/read anything from the dune/anne rice canon.
And BTW, nice knees Lee.
Willow (and My Knees) !
Yeah, I did that Willow thing on purpose. And Marc won't budge on the Bene Gesserit.
And, yeah, I'm wearing shorts. It gets REALLY hot in here when we tape these. We left the air conditioner on last time, and it ruined the audio. This is take 2. ;)
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Well if it makes you feel
Well if it makes you feel any more comfortable you can take off your shirt too. And your shorts.
Same goes to marc.
Erm yeah.
Lee Shirtless = Double Not Going to Happen
:P
But I can't wait until it's cooler. NYC in the summer is not so good if your apartment gets no cross breeze.
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and the puppy won't help either
We tried tying a fan to the puppy's tale but he just ate it. Sigh.
Primeval
Give it time. It gets better.
Actually, I thought the same thing when I saw it, but the plot begins to unravel a few episodes down the line. Im like you guys, I catch every detail and yes, this show has some of those "hop hop la la" moments that make you go...wait? But I was willing to overlook them for this is a very entertaining show. If you have made allowances for Torchwood before, then you might not have a problem with this one.
No gay characters here, but we are in agreement, the eyecandy in this show is goood. Sexy Henshall representing the older crowd, Murray as the studly guy and Potts for the twink inclined. Plus, you get a lot of military types as a side dish.
Dr. Who was good. Sorry to see Dona go. I really liked her as a companion.
The List: I must tell you how surprised I was to see Willow at no. 3 considering...But Im in with complete agreement with your choices.
The Mayfair witches are so delicious and wicked. And Marc I completely agree with you, at least where The Witching Hour is concerned, I think its Anne Rices best book or at least the one I have enjoyed the most. The rest of the trilogy, not so much, Lasher could be salvaged but Taltos was really disappointing.
And the Bene Gesserit, very complicated and misterious breed of witches. In all great choices.
Great episode guys, those dunish interludes were hilarious.
Recommendation of the Week: Dragon's Den
- I'll definitely watch a few more episodes of Primeval. I've been leaving the TV on BBC America a lot lately anyway (Dragon's Den!), so I'm sure I'll end up catching the whole season. It's a nice bonus when there are gay characters, but it's definitely not necessary. In fact (don't shoot me), I'd be into Torchwood even without the gay content. Though it would be quite a bit less campy and fun.
- Willow at number 1 would have been just too predictable. Even for us... I have about 50 pages left to The Witching Hour, so no spoilers (at least until tomorrow...)!
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I know a tiny bit of
I know a tiny bit of Torchwood news, the next series or five-parter, to be more acurate, is going to be called Torchwood: Children of Earth.
Which could be about almost anything couldn't it.
hooray - no thrashings for marc (today)
I thought for sure the Anne Rice fans would throw virtual blood on me for that one. But yay - so glad you love the mayfair witches as well! Also very glad to hear about Primeval, so I'll have to give it another shot. Oh and thanks for watching! And liking!
I love Spaced... One of my
I love Spaced... One of my favourite ever TV shows. And you guys get a much, much better DVD then we do. I do love the 'Vulva' episode... 'Noone wants to hear about a relationship between two heterosexual men, especially when one of them is the most magnificent woman alive.'
Interview With a Vampire was the furthest into Anne Rice I ever got. A few of my nerdy goth friends were really into her when I was about fifteen, but by the time I'd gotten round to them, I already knew what a massive tool she was. Her son's stuff is pretty good though.
I'm totally with you on the series withdrawl. I've rewatched all of BSG already this summer, and I've spent the last while tracking down the extended episodes (another thing we don't get on our DVDs). I was planning on spaceing it out, but that kind of didn't work.
Did any Discworld witches make the list? Granny Weatherwax is my all-time-favourite witch.
Discworld
That's the second Discworld recommendation in these comments! I'll add it to my reading list as soon as I finish Taltos and Lasher. But judging by netogeno's comments, maybe I should put those two off for a while. ;)
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Terry Pratchett is my
Terry Pratchett is my favourite author, ever. I used to fall asleep listening to the audiobooks when I was little. The ones about the Watch (the police force) are by far the best, though the Witches are excellent as well. The whole series is a near-perfect melding of epic fantasy and left-field humour, with plenty of biting satire and pretty much every big genre represented, though the police proceedurals seem to be a particular favourite of his.
He's also written an excellent book about the apocolype, with Neil Gaiman.
Thanks, Randommer!
If we're still doing these vlogs when I finally get through these recommendations, I sense a theme for a future episode. ;)
And Neil Gaiman. Woot!
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It's called Good Omens.
Terry Pratchett Fan Afghan
Did you see this Pratchett fan afghan on Boing Boing?
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I know! It's really
I know! It's really sweet.
I tend to avoid getting over-invested in celebrities, but when his diagnosis was revealed it hit me embarrassingly hard.
Good Omens!!
I loved that book; it was hilarious!
The sequel was going to be called "668-The Neighbor of the Beast" but it never got written.
I know! Terry and Neil said
I know! Terry and Neil said the world had moved on to much, and they'd have to totally re-think the whole vibe of the book.
They did both confirm that Crowley and Aziraphale now live together in a country cottage though, so all is not lost.
willow ;-)
Willow not in top spot? you really start to subvert your viewers expectations ;). The Buffy-witches would have been my top spot btw - but just because I don't know any of the others on your list. I guess the only other witches I know are the charmed ones, sabrina ;-) - oh - and granny weatherwax =)
Other than that: it was -as always- a pleasure to listen to you (and to watch of course) and I can assure you Daleks aren't half as frightening when they are speaking german with a strong english accent ;)
Pretty Sneaky!
Sabrina and the Charmed Ones? Oh, you need more heavy witchcraft in your life. ;) Now I need to read Discworld since everyone's bringing it up here.
Is there really any such word as "exterminieren"? Google tells me it's "ausrotten" but that wouldn't have been nearly as funny.
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exterminieren doesn't
exterminieren doesn't exist. Or well, mabye it does, german has become quite flexible - but if it does - I haven't heard anyone using it. And I agree - it did sound much funnier than "ausrotten" or "vernichten"
Monoglots
Not to mention that none of us anglophones would have understood it at all. ;)
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good point :D were there
good point :D
were there subtitles during Martha's conversation with the german woman? (who I don't think was german btw. though she did speak very clearly - and very harsh - to please the anglophones' expectations of german I guess ;-) )
Doctor Who Subtitles
Hmm, I don't think there were subtitles. I think they just switched to English quickly. But I deleted it from the DVR, so I can't check!
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Terry Pratchett rules!
Out loud and falling over
Pratchett regularly makes me double over with laughter and gasp for breath. Sometimes I'll think of a favorite line years later, and it still does the trick.
Lee and Marc, if you start Discworld, don't start at the beginning (the first two books are actually the weakest, IMO) but do look at the reading order guide that traces the different story arcs. I recommend starting with the witches books and the Death books, as they're good for establishing the setting. My personal favorites, though, are the City Watch and the Tiffany Aching books (the "YA" portion of the witches timeline, although the "young" part of the story is limited to Tiffany's age, really).
Discworld Order
Thanks for that link, Megh! I certainly would have just picked up the first one...
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I've never actually read any
other Pratchett
I'm so glad you enjoyed the
I'm so glad you enjoyed the finale of Doctor Who though I agree it's a shame Donna won't be in it next time.
So, is Martha going to join Torchwood?
Twiglets have been around forever over here and they are absolutely foul. Yuk.
Twiglets and Martha
I think Martha is going to be on the UK's version of Law & Order instead. I hope they're going to be like the earlier seasons. I used to have a small addiction to that show, but ever since Serena Southerlyn left, it's been kind of meh. Not because of her. That's just around the time it stopped being any good. When Detective Green left, I stopped watching altogether.
So, is Mickey joining the Torchwood cast? Anyone have any inside knowledge there?
Someone must like Twiglets. They rated your comment down. ;) I actually have some kind of marmite-flavored something that's been in the refrigerator for about a year. I wanted to like it, but I couldn't acquire a taste for it. A little goes a lo-o-ong way.
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Martha
Jamie Bamber's also down for
L&O: London and Jamie Bamber's Accent
Oh, they didn't like me either. Someone's rating down all my comments this week. Oh, woe, how will I ever earn enough points to edit my comments with abandon. ;) Do you earn points for ratings? I actually have no idea how the AfterElton point system works. :-/
I don't think we'll get Law & Order: London on BBC America, but I'd be interested in seeing how your legal system is interprteted by your media. Everything I know about law and the police I learned from Law & Order, so let's hope I'm never arrested. I'm not sure how accurate that show is. :D
Oh, and, of course, I'd be interested in seeing Jamie Bamber using his real accent.
Freema Agyeman should do both L&O and Torchwood. Let's start a petition.
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I heard somewhere that
I heard somewhere that Jamie's character was (at least first-generation) Irish, which might mean he has to do an Irish accent. Which couldn't possibly be worse then Mark Sheppard's attempt, and Jamie's pretty good at them, so it shouldn't be a problem.
However, the guy playing Jamie's partner (if what I've heard is true) is Bradley Walsh, which is not boding well.
Can't Be Worse than David Boreanaz
He set a new low for bad Irish accents in Angel, IMHO. It's nothing against him personally or as an actor, but they should have found some conceit to excuse away his brogue in those flashbacks. :F
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I think we've gotten used
I think we've gotten used to our accents (there are about five million of them) being mangled on screen. Pierce Brosnan (WHO IS FROM IRELAND) hit a new low in 'Evelyn'. I gave Sheppard the benefit of the doubt because at least Romo Lampkin wasn't supposed to be Irish, just come from somewhere with an Irish-eque accent.
I think Jamie's mother is Irish, so that's a good sign. Even though he couldn't pronouce 'Niamh' when he met my friend at a Con.
Put
You know, i've a feeling that neither Mickey or Martha are going to join Torchwood, I think we're going to see some new faces on the next series, we'll just have to wait I Suppose. Boring.
Yay for including Alex's
Yay for including Alex's music! Boo for NOT including Alex shirtless!
ps: I love the Mayfair Witches. :D
Alex Shirtless = Not Going to Happen
At least not on this vlog.
Have you read any of the later Vampire Chronicles? I stopped at The Vampire Armand, but I hear that the Mayfair witches make appearances in the later ones.
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Actually I've read none of
Actually I've read none of the vampire Chronicles.
I've read the Mayfair Trilogy and their stories continue on Merrick(haven't had the time to read it though) which is supposed to be the first cross-over between the vampires and the witches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_(novel)
oops I double-posted
"pre-conversion"?
I realize she's writing books about Jesus now, but is there any particular reason to think Anne Rice has turned into a homophobe since becoming Christian?
No, not "distant gay traces" -- it's distingué traces!
Later Rice not Homophobic
I don't think she's homophobic (her son is gay, after all).
All of her older books that I've read have at least one or two gay or bisexual characters. I haven't read her latest novels (since she found God), but I doubt that the ones about the life of Jesus have much gay content.
Has anyone read them?
I know that her earlier interpretations of Jesus were less conventional and even blasphemous to some (Lestat drank the blood of Christ, after all), but my understanding was that these new books were very orthodox.
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Further comment to come
Primeval
But things that are "entertaining in [their] own completely-lacking-logic-and-science way" go to the top of my to-do list! :D
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In that case, have at!
Having basically called it crap, I did watch the entirety of both seasons/series of Primeval, mostly rooting for the geeky kid and the S Club 7 girl to get together already. I'm actually curious to see what you think of it as it develops - particularly the ep where the anomolies were opening underwater, an ep which made logic its crying little bitch, it was so baffling. But the effects are good and the wtf-ery of it is fun.
Thank you for saving me from Birds of Prey, which I'd dropped onto the end of my Netflix queue out of curiosity. And while I'm at it, thanks for way back recommending the Azzarello arcs of Hellblazer; I finally got ahold of both Freezes Over and Highwater, and I really enjoyed them. I'll probably get the first two books at some point, even though they've been rated less well.
Birds o' Prey
I'll still be finishing all the episodes of Birds of Prey when I have time. I don't think I can convince Marc to join me for that, though.
I want to see what they do with Harley Quinn.
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Harley and Ivy