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Asshat Smackdown! for June 24, 2009

You might be familiar with our regular Friday feature, Battle of the Network Gays, where we ask you to crown the Gay of the Week.

You folks seem to enjoy crowning people a lot. Hence our new feature: Asshat Smackdown!

Every Wednesday we'll ask you to select from a current crop of schmucks, jerks, demagogues and harpies to see who is most deserving of the week's coveted Asshat Crown! We'll announce the results right here on the blog on Friday, and that asshat will reign supreme until a new challenger is crowned the following week.

Curious to know more about the challengers this week!? Check them out after the break, and vote for your favorite!

This week's contenders:

1. Perez Hilton

The queen of all media got a number of write-in votes last week for something we made the editorial decision not to write about. But this week he lands in the headlines again for an altercation with Will.i.am and Black Eyed Peas manager, Polo Molina. The gist is, he called Molina a f***ing fa***t to his face and got punched for it.

Said Hilton...

"I made the split-second decision -- that I was gonna say what I thought was the worst possible thing that thug [Will.i.am] would ever want to hear."

As GLAAD pointed out when asking, futilely one supposes, for Hilton to apologize...

"These are vulgar anti-gay slurs that feed a climate of hatred and intolerance toward our community. For someone in our own community to use it to attack another person by saying that it is, quote, ‘The worst possible thing that thug would ever want to hear,’ is incredibly dangerous. It legitimizes use of a slur that is often linked to violence against our community. And it sends a message that it is OK to attempt to dehumanize people by exploiting anti-gay attitudes.”

2. Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei

See, we aren't just about the gay stuff here at AfterElton.com. We well-rounded queers are also concerned with major world events, and it's hard not to be riveted by what is going on in Iran these days. In terms of pure asshatedness one would be hard-pressed to beat Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei this week for endorsing clearly fraudulent election results and moving forcefully to crush popular protests. Boo hiss. Supreme Leader? Try Supreme Asshat.

Oh, and if you're a stickler and really have to have a gay angle in order to vote for him, here's one: In a 2007 speech he claimed that "Today, homosexuality is a major problem in the western world. They [western nations] however ignore it. But the reality is that homosexuality has become a serious challenge, pain and unsolvable problem for the intellectuals in the west."

And his government executes gay people, too.

3. Eugene Ornelas Jr. (a.k.a. Chyna)

The Ru Paul's Drag Race season 2 hopeful beat up the Mayor of Mulberry, Florida in an unseemly domestic dispute. What started it? Eugene/Chyna brought a fellow back to the home he shares with the Mayor, and when confronted he threw a beer bottle at the Mayor. In front of his two young kids.

This is not conduct befitting a lady

4. The Bruno Promotional Tour.


Photo credit: Getty Images

You might think Sacha Baron Cohen is a comic genius, or you might believe his latest movie will perpetuate the worst gay stereotypes imaginable. Possibly you hold both opinions. Whatever you're thoughts on Cohen/Bruno, I think we can all agree that the promotional campaign for the Bruno movie has gotten completely out of hand, and has most certainly wandered into asshat territory. Has there ever been a film this relentlessly and unpleasantly overhyped? I'm just waiting for the inevitable Burger King promotional tie-in merchandise.


Photo credit: Getty Images

Vote for your favorite asshat by 8 AM EDT on Friday, June 20. And be sure to check back Friday afternoon to see which asshat our readers have carried to glory! Note: Write-in candidates (other than AfterElton.com staff!) are encouraged.

AddisonDewitt's picture

My pick

I picked the Ayatollah over Hilton only because Khamenei matters.
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Whitetee's picture

Two words

Too obvious.
Jonathan's picture

Hilton

Condemnation heaped upon someone who already has no respect for the gay community and is pledged to its destruction is just bailing water on the Titanic...

On the other hand, I'm now having trouble figuring out if that sentence is about the Ayatollah or Hilton.

Liz T's picture

perez...

had to vote for perez here....

whats worse is he thinks he is the true victim. yeah, i dont think violence is a good solution, but seriously...all he does every day is put people down. what did he expect? and saying faggot to someone's face? once again, what did he expect?

*sigh* whats wrong with people?

nordic balance's picture

OMFG so the guy that

OMFG so the guy that opproves and supports the public executing of gay people gets LESS votes then the dumb ass who does not know when to shut up.ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!

 

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babyboy's picture

Um, thank you.

Perez Hilton over that fuckwad psycho in Iran? REALLY?! If we're going to give that bottom feeder that much power, maybe we DESERVE to be seen as a bunch o' silly bitches.

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Bill S's picture

As tempting as it is...

...to dump on Perez, I'm casting my vote for the Ayatollah. His asshattery affects a whole country. Hilton's only affects the future of will.i.am's manager.

Besides which, judging from the results thus far, Perez doesn't need my help to earn the title. One question, though: Is there ever a week when he ISN'T an asshat?

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Bill S's picture

Is Chyna an Elf?

Just asking because with those ears, well...

Nah. Elves are supposed to be intellegent, and Chyna's, well, a moron.

Sakhmet's picture

Damn you, asshats, so hard to choose!

These are all very good examples.  Each in their own right deserves to wear the title (and a stoning).  But, I had to go with the one that effects most people, not just ethics and decency.

In the words of Homer the Drunk: Ayatollah Assaholla!

Psionycx's picture

Ayatollah Khamenei

Come on dudes!  We need to keep in mind that our brothers and sisters in Iran have much bigger asshats on their hands than immature gossip bloggers or out of control drag queens! 
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Darrien's picture

Oh yeah

OK, Perez Hilton is an annoyance and an irritant and an embarrassment, but the Ayatollah is actively killing people. And it's not just an Iranian thing. Iran has been behind a lot of attacks on British and American troops in Iraq. At least one gay British soldier has been killed in an Iranian-sponsored terrorist attack and if it weren't for DADT we'd know if he was behind the killing of gay Americans, too.
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Psionycx's picture

I hadn't heard

Where did you pick up the piece about the targeted killing Darrien?
Darrien's picture

Targeted

As far as I know they didn't target any soldiers because they were gay. Cross-border Iranian patrols just targeted US/UK soldiers and at least one of the UK soldiers who was killed was openly gay. The attacks tended to take place in the south of Iraq around Basra. Incidentally, the first British soldier killed in Afghanistan was also openly gay.
nordic balance's picture

One day that perez fella

One day that perez fella wil realize what a joke he is and that will be enough punisment for what he did stupid,ayatollah will never feel any remorse for the things he's done and will most likely be celebrated for his sturn stand on the evil sodomites.

The sad thing is last week you voted for obama for some letter and this week you let this murderer go free!!

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bambino italiano's picture

Ship perez to Iran

problem solved! We'll see how quick the moron can twitter before  the biggest asshat of the land twist his fingers off!!

GayMafiaKingpin's picture

Perez All The Way

I've cast my vote for Perez Hilton for being a hypocrite - for being able to dish it out but not being able to take it. He has this belief that it's okay to hurt people relentlessly with his words, but people making fun of his whining or for people saying he deserved what he got is completely not okay.

He also gets my vote for making a big, huge stink over one small punch which barely left a mark. I think we've all been hit at some point in our lives. I've been in fights as a kid. You get up, brush yourself off, clean up, and go on with your life. You don't cry, "LEAVE PEREZ ALONE!" in your own video. People have had it far worse. Look at Rihanna.

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Rich's picture

Same as last week...

Perez Hilton...Supreme ruler of the Asshats!

Ayatollah Assaholla comes a very close second.

No interest in the drag queen or Butt..er...Bruno.

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nordic balance's picture

It breaks my heart to know

It breaks my heart to know there is this little solidarity for LGBT people across the world.

There are millions who would kill to have the same rights you(and i) have

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nordic balance's picture

You don't cry, "LEAVE PEREZ

You don't cry, "LEAVE PEREZ ALONE!" in your own video. People have had it far worse. Look at Rihanna.

Yea or look at those 2 teenage boys who got executed under the loud cheer of a crowd after they where tortured.

 

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Anomic's picture

Ayatollah

Wiccan and Psionycx are right. There are way bigger issues in the LGBT world community than some punk stirring up a bit of drama. I understand that its easier to dislike Perez due to the fact that the problems he's causing are hitting closer to home, but what they are saying has really put things into perspective imo. Your brothers over in Iran fear for their lives.

One the other hand, the title of Asshat might even be understating what Ayatollah is doing...

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nordic balance's picture

perez is like the gay

perez is like the gay version of all bundy isn't he,you can look at him and feel good about yourself because you are soo much better as a person...well after your done feeling good about yourself you can educate yourself and take a look at what is happening with LGBT communaties in the world.
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nordic balance's picture

Asshat of the week is just about drawing attention to

WTF moments of the past week.

We're not planning the activist agenda gay rights activities for the next year or dictating the mission of the Human Rights Commission by virtue of this vote.

Voting the Ayatollah an Asshat has absolutely no effect on the attrocities going on in Iran (though having him be a candidate does point out to folks who might not be paying attention that there is something going on in Iran worth reading about and acting on) 

This particular smackdown is not THAT serious and doesn't reflect what folks feel about what's going on in Iran. 

I trust that folks here appreciate the difference between the "plight" of Perez Hilton and and a bloody battle for fair voting practicies and democracy in Iran.

"That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment." (Bayard Rustin)  **   "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common" (Dorothy Parker)

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Darrien's picture

Agreed

Yep, this is just a vote on some gay website. We're not going to affect anyone here. But the very least we could do is show that we understand the issues.
Darrien's picture

Sheesh! Where are the priorities?

On one hand we've got Khamanei who actively goes out killing gay people in his own country and he pays for the killing of Americans and Europeans in other countries.

On the other hand we have a gossipmonger who used the word 'faggot' in a fight. I mean, seriously people...

That other post on the site today about Antonio Banderas when he said that 20 years ago it was more accepted if you killed someone than if you kissed a man, it's the same today. People are getting more upset about the word 'faggot' being used than the death of our own countrymen and the executions of gay men for being gay. Exactly where are our priorities?

Seriously, it's perfectly OK to hate Perez Hilton - but he doesn't kill people.

And somehow he's worse than the guy who does?

This just defeats me. Somehow gossip is more important than actual death? It's like a vindication of every stereotype of gay men being shallow, vapid creatures with no appreciation of what's important in the world. It's so damning of the gay 'community' as to be untrue.

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calacarando's picture

Definitions

See, the difference between Hilton and Khamanei is the difference between an Asshat and Pure Evil. (Don't touch it!)

IMHO, and this is somewhat supported by looking up the definition online, an asshat is someone who's done/doing something incredibly stupid. Y'know, "head up ass," not "flailing skin from kittens." I happily voted for President Obama over the DoJ brief and his ignoring campaign promises re: DADT and DOMA, because I though his actions were pretty foolish, certainly not worthy of a highly educated man elected to the Presidency of the US on a campaign of Change and Hope.

Perez Hilton is a bumbling fool who can't pull his foot out of his mouth long enough to chew gum. Thus, asshat.

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Hosneyh Khamanei? Pure Evil, or at least closer to that than mere asshattery.

I mean, is this Asshat of the Week or Human Rights Destroyer of the Week?  I'd be okay with the latter, but I think that's a totally different category than the title of the piece.

Gar vethed e-chunen; go hon bedithon na meth.

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Darrien's picture

I understand all that

I understand your argument and see where it's coming from. However, this kind of discussion is why I love this section of AE. Dennis Ayers isn't shy of adding moral, political and ethical dilemmas to his list of potential candidates.

It's put forward as a light-hearted feature on the site, but then it challenges the readers to make some heavyweight decisions from the list that he's presented.

Of course, the end result is a fairly meaningless title bestowed on someone next week. But as it's the strongest condemnation that this site bestows on someone, do we stick by a simple defintion of 'asshattery' or use it as an opportunity to condemn?

Obviously, you're going down the asshattery route and I'm going down the condemnation route because we have different philosophies (and both are valid).

Again, this is why I love this feature on the site. You get to see how other people think and prioritise the world around them. And that's journalistic genius.

nordic balance's picture

Does anyone here actually believe that the Asshat Smackdown

is meant to convey what gay people think is the most important thing going on in a given week?

I think folks are going overboard with the condemnation of folks' choice of who gets to be Asshat.

Obviously, just having the Ayatollah as a candidate presents a teachable moment about what's going on in Iran for folks who weren't aware.  But that's about it.

I don't think that any of you actually believe that your fellow gays  (in general or on this website) are so frivolous and out of touch,  that we don't understand that the political situation in Iran is more important than anything else in the list above.

Do you really believe that who gets elected ASSHAT of the WEEK is some kind of symbol or representation of what the participants and visitors to this website think is the most important thing going on this past week?
Come on.  Asshat of the Week is basically just our way of saying "Hey, you suck this week!"   It's like a pressure valve.  It's not that serious.  It's  not a political platform or movement.
The Ayatollah will be a blight on the face of humanity for a long time to come, not just this week or this past month or for the next 2 years.  He will be an evil bastard for as long as he lives and is capable of forming a thought and spewing hate couched in religion and controlling the activities of others.

Gay people DO NOT think that Perez Hilton or Bruno are more important or more dangerous or more significant to  human rights than the bigotry, discrimination  and violent practices cultivated by the likes of the Ayatollah Khamenei.

Calling the Ayatollah Khamenei an Asshat does absolutely nothing to help the people in Iran or further the cause of gay rights or even educate folks about the atrocities going on in Iran and I can't imagine anyone who's going to go to this kind of website to see what gay men think about Iran because that isn't generally the mission of this kind of website (its' not primarily about politics or political discourse though of course that occurs and is relevant to us all here)  Getting involved in local, national and political movements, reading and seeking out information and putting our bodies and voices in the mix is what will have an effect on the activities of the Ayatollah and the government of Iran.

Maybe it was just inappropriate to put the Ayatollah in a list with a bad-tempered drag queen who had a fight with his boyfriend, a trash-talking gossip monger who got punched and a fictional movie character.

"That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment." (Bayard Rustin)  **   "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common" (Dorothy Parker)

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TheDewLo's picture

Isn't Asshat Smackdown about....

Singling one person out over the past week that made you think..."Really? You're that dumb? Really??"

Ayatollah we all kinda knew was an idiot. He didn't really say anything shocking. He's said it before and he'll say it again. Perez we just expected more from. AfterElton labelled him correctly THE CYANIDE PILL.
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TheDewLo's picture

Perez is a Bully

I feel for the guy that punched Perez (Polo). Violoence is never the answer but I can't say I wouldn't have done the same. Perez constantly mocks, ridicules and antagonizes people citing his freedom under the consitution. But with those freedoms don't you then have to take responsibility for what you say and the effect it will have on people? Had someone been calling one of my freinds "f****t" I would have stood up for them. If Perez was truly sorry for his action he wouldn't sue Polo and they'd sit down and talk it out. Or you know, just move on let go of the anger and learn.

Ayatollah can win next week. The guys older then dirt and doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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Scudder's picture

Don't look now - Perez apologizes

Not that I, ahhh, read his site or anything.  Ahem!  But he just posted a rather lengthy and, IMHO, rather decent apology to the gay community.

He also agreed to donate any money he receives from the lawsuit agains the BEP manager to the Mathew Shepard Foundation.

I know many (nearly all?) of the readers on this site still despise him and will certainly comment on how the apology is too little too late, insincere, not good enough, etc.  But I think it is cool that he admitted he was wrong.  I also think people were far to quick to excuse the violence against him (no matter how stupid/wrong what he said was).

Anyway, maybe he saw this poll and really didn't want to lose to the Ayatollah???  :)

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zanefan's picture

You shouldn't feel remotely

You shouldn't feel remotely ashamed that you read his site; in fact, I'm guessing the vast majority of people here who crucify him do too. 
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TheDewLo's picture

Cucify?

That seems a litlle exaggerative don't you think? A little like Perez's first video. The guy got punched. Not stabbed. Not shot. Not straggled. Not stoned. Not tied up and whipped. Not hung and left to die. A punch. A fist to the head. They're both men. We as men should have a good idea of how easily our anger and rage can take control of us. Perez needs to man up and quit his crying, And Polo needs to man up send Perez some flowers and apologize.
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nordic balance's picture

Yeah it's got to be the 'Tollah

Tempting to put the hat on Hilton, but he only thrives on attention, regardless. 

But what a headline moment: Black Eyed Peas meet Black Eyed Pez.  After his choice of language I think he's lucky not to have ended up another kind of vegetable entirely. 

Although, his pink hair does bring out all the colours in the bruising.  Can he accessorise or what.

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Androjai's picture

PERSONALLY

I would LOVE to have a chance to punch Perez Hilton. :)

but ultimately, he DOES NOT MATTER. He is just a famewhore grasping for straws in an ever fickle and highly subjective field. The Ayatollah however has real world consequences and real world clout. LGBT persons in Iran are routinely imprisioned tortured and murdered under his regime. They brand them as "pedophiles" and "rapists" when in reality they are just normal people expressing their sexual identiites. He uses his "religion" as a firebrand, a tool to desecrate and inflame a once proud and indutrious people and turn them into a pack of religion besotted fanatics whose sole purpose in life is to spread their particular brand of hatred.  yes, definitely he is much more of a threat than some loud-mouth blogger with pink hair.  He is deserving of the asshat award.

 

Gay and lesbian rights are not special rights in any way. It isn't "special" to be free from discrimination. It is an ordinary, universal entitlement of citizenship."

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zanefan's picture

Perez

It's very odd to me that the story of Perez, an out gay man and pseudocelebrity, being assaulted and dropping the F-bomb WAS NOT covered by AfterElton (due, apparently to an editorial decision) after months of having him dropped into commentary that had absolutely nothing to do with him. 

LOL, so when he's legitimately newsworthy, you don't cover him? 

That aside, he has apologized profusely on his site, and I sense he's sincere in his apology.  I tend to put myself in his shoes and think back to the many times I've had foot-in-mouth disease and said things I immediately regretted (like the time the neighbor asked me if my partner was my brother and I instinctively responded with "Yes" which left me reeling from feelings of shame and self-loathing for days.)  We've all been there, said stupid, hurtful things in the heat of the moment.  Does the fact that Perez wouldn't let someone off the hook for doing the same thing mean we shouldn't do that for him?  I like to think I'm bigger than that, personally.

Was it karma?  Maybe, but I think it's really sad that as a community we are looking the other way at the violence committed against him, as though he somehow "deserved" it after we collectively get on our pulpits and preach against violence in ANY fashion otherwise.

I'm aware of who and what Perez Hilton is.  He's a mean-spirited gossipmonger who says very mean and hateful things about people.  Is THAT the magic combination of traits that entitles a man to be assaulted? 

We have to decide, are we against violence against gay men PERIOD, or is it just the ones who are cute, nice and friendly?

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Androjai's picture

Karma

 is a bitch.

 One cannot talk trash on every single person in the known universe and not expect retribution.  I am abhor violence against gays, whether they be hot or not. Instigating a fight however by calling someone the "F" word and having them retaliate is not gaybashing. It was a smack in the mouth he sorely deserved. they weren't beating him up because he was gay--- he was hit because he is an ASSHOLE

 

Gay and lesbian rights are not special rights in any way. It isn't "special" to be free from discrimination. It is an ordinary, universal entitlement of citizenship."

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zanefan's picture

Yes, one CAN talk trash on

Yes, one CAN talk trash on every single person in the known universe and not expect to be assaulted.  THAT's precisely the issue. 

I'm not talking about gaybashing... he wasn't assaulted because he was gay, he was assaulted because someone didn't like him and the things he said.  That's okay, then?  But he IS still a member of our community, and if we don't stand up for him, who will?  Especially because, like it or not, he has stood up for us numerous times.

Violence is NOT the answer, it never will be.

Karma for someone like Perez isn't violence, it would be someone posting something that potentially damaged his career or income. 

I agree he's an asshole, you'd be hard pressed to find someone say he WASN'T.  But even jackasses don't deserve to be assaulted.  EVER.

 

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Scudder's picture

Violence not OK

There is such a mentality of "He Had It Comin'" (cue Catherine Zeta Jones singing/dancing) that I just don't share. 

First, I don't think anyone deserves a beatdown just for calling someone a name.  If TR Knight had opened up a can of whup-ass on Isaiah Washington over Washington's use of the "f" word I would feel the same.  Violence is just not ok.

Second, we don't know exactly what was said between Perez and the BEP camp or who "started" the war of words.  To suggest Perez was the agressor who deserved to be asaulted strikes me as some people just using wish-fulfillment because they don't like Perez and want to see him hurt.

Third, I think many of you take Perez way too seriously.  I'm not going to defend everything he does, but his site is humorous to a large segment of the population.  Those who read it don't take it seriously.  Its an immature goof where he (mostly) mocks self-important celebrities.  Who cares?  It is not a huge leap from what Kathy Griffin (or Howard Stern who I don't like) does - especially in her live act - to what Perez does.  And some of us cringe when he goes too far but I don't think he's nearly as harmful as others on this site think.  

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zanefan's picture

Precisely. There's a

Precisely.

There's a groupthink mentality happening here that, to me, is very disturbing.

It's kind of like the gang of self-important teenage boys who beat up the loudmouthed drag queen because she got on their nerves.

Either we support violence SOMETIMES or we don't support it at all.  I don't support it at all.

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Dave Doty's picture

Hilton

zanefan wrote:
It's very odd to me that the story of Perez, an out gay man and pseudocelebrity, being assaulted and dropping the F-bomb WAS NOT covered by AfterElton (due, apparently to an editorial decision)

That's not the story they referred to.  He got write-in votes LAST week for a different story they chose not to cover.

But I agree that the general consensus that it's okay to respond to name-calling with violence is disturbing.  Hopefully, these folks don't have children they're sending off to school with that message.

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Jamie's picture

I can’t believe there’s

I can’t believe there’s even any question or debate on this one. I saw the list, and I figured Ayatollah Khamenei would be the clear winner in this race. Wow. 60% voted for Perez Hilton so far?? Really?? An out-proud successful gay man who stands up for civil rights, versus a murderer who destroys them.

 

Perez made a mistake, which by my count he’s apologized for twice now, and went too far. It happens. Who of us has never said something in anger that shouldn’t have been said? For this, he gets asshat of the week? Perez is an ass, that’s his job. That’s what makes his site so popular. It’s a gossip site, it’s supposed to be trashy and mean. That’s the point.

 

He’s condemned on this site time & time again for being a “bad example” of the gay community. Nobody is looking at Perez as an example of the gay community. He’s seen for what he is. He’s not representing the gay community, he’s just earning his living. Bill O’Reilly is an asshat each and every week, and people don’t see him and think “oh, all straight men are assholes, just look at that Bill O’Reilly.” And what makes him a bad example, because he’s mean and vulgar? What about all the times he’s stood up for civil rights? His countless postings against Prop 8? The marches he’s attended the money he’s given? All that means nothing, cause he’s not a nice person?

 

So, the group hates him and this week he finally does something that is seen as going too far, and there is a “legitimate” reason to throw his name into the asshat ring, and he’s going to win. Shame. I wish I had known I was throwing my vote away when I voted for Ayatollah. Reading the comments, there are a few names that would’ve made a good write-in vote.

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nordic balance's picture

Perez did not get a "beat down" He got punched by one guy

This was not an "assault" and Perez did not get punched in the face for what he says on his website.

People use the word "assault" entiredly too liberally. If Fergie had slapped Perez across the face for calling her a "whore" to her face, would that also be an "assault'" or is it only an "assault" if a big brown man does the hitting?

Men punch each other all the time. I'm not talking about domestic violence or hate crimes, I'm talking regular dudes getting into a bar fight. It's not pretty but it happens and it's not unusual.

Perez wasn't attacked by a group of people and he was not in danger of being attacked by the members of the Black Eyed Peas and he's lying if he says he was. He has met them millions of times. He knew he wasn't really in danger that's why he felt safe enough to mouth off and I'm sure getting punched was just a bonus for him.

Do any of y'all actually follow what this man does and says on a daily basis (in person and on his website?) I hadn't before the last couple of week but then I made a point to inform myself and I was appauled by his CHOICES!.

It goes beyond mere gossip. It's hate speech that he spews. Misogynist, racist, homophobic hate speech that as far as I am concerned incites others to do the same.

Perez has every legal right to say whatever he wants but then he needs to be able to back that crap up because not every person is going to "use their words" (whether they should or not) and if he's going to make a habit out of suing everyone who decides to smack him, it's going to be his full time job.

Perez should learn to box or take karate or something because Polo Molina isn't the first person to lose it and smack Perez and he probably won't be the last. Whether it's right or wrong, that's just the reality of human nature.

Who cares if he's sorry now? The person he needs to be sorry to is the one he knowingly falsely accused of assaulting him by sending out a fake distress tweet on Twitter. That tweet went viral before Perez even got up the next day. And it was a lie. A complete lie.

Will I Am and Fergie had every right to go up to him and ask him to lay off. There is nothing wrong with what they did or said and neither of them threatened him (by his own account)

Perez blatantly lied when he said Will I Am and his "bodyguards" attacked him. He made a conscious choice to lie about that just like he made a conscious choice to say what he said.

It was slander and he needs to be sued for that because that "I have been assaulted by Will I Am and his bodyguards" tweet has become a headline that will follow the Peas where ever they go even though the truth has already come out.

Not to mention that Perez tweeted about the incident an hour after it happened while he was on his way to a party! He wasn't laying in the street bleeding and waiting for the cops. He lied about that too.

I am perfectly willing to take anyone's side if they are unjustly accused or attacked.

As far as I'm concerned, screaming into someone's face that they are a Faggot at a party in a room full of people is homophobic verbal abuse! He even admitted that it was calculated, he thought about it, the words didn't just fly out of his mouth he said he wanted to call Will I Am the worse name he could come up with (those are Perez words more or less)

I don't know if Will I Am is gay. It is entirely possible that he is and he's closeted and that's what Perez's response was about. But if so, then I have even more respect for Will I Am for not smacking Perez himself.

If one of Will I Am's friends took it upon himself to smack the crap out of Perez for being an aggressive arse, that's between the two of them and by the time Perez' video was up, Molina had already turned himself in to the police.

Perez was not seriously hurt, he suffered no long-term injuries and now he'll get lots of money from Polo Molina for his troubles.

This has nothing to do with him being a member of "our" community. Perez was at a party, he was drunk and he was screaming obsenities it's clear in the video and it's what he admitted doing.

By his own account, HE was the one who started the name calling because he didn't like being challenged by Fergie and Will I Am.

By his own account, HE chose to scream "You're a faggot" directly into Will I Am's face (who by the way is like a 3rd the size of Perez). Will I Am and Fergie both walked away from him. They didn't lay a finger on him

It's not like Perez was in some darkened alley all on his own and got jumped. He was in a crowd of people and they had all probably been drinking.

Maybe it's generational thing to be so shocked that someone got punched at a party but it happens all the time.

In the words of Kelly Clarkson "I've been punched in the face before and I didn't make a video crying about it".

He's only sorry now because the entire gay community didn't immediately take his side against the "thuggish black rapper" which is what he was counting on.

Of course people shouldn't punch people and people shouldn't call women they don't know, who have done nothing to them "Fucking Whores!" either.

Since when is Perez protective of anybody just because they are gay? He has never given any gay person and preferential treatment or free pass from abuse because they are gay.

Perez made a choice that night and he paid a price for it.

Polo Molina made a choice that night and he's paying a price for it. Justice will be served as far as the law is concerned. So I'm happy.

People throw out "violence is not the answer" as if every time somebody hits someone else, it holds the exact same weight and importance.

One guy punching another guy in a fair fight (one on one) is not an act of assualt. It's a fist fight even if they BOTH have friends standing behind them to witness it (which was the case here)

 

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He was assaulted in the

He was assaulted in the eyes of the law, so yeah, I use the word assaulted.  From behind, no less.

You are missing the point.  Nobody (as far as I can tell) is trying to paint Perez as some innocent bystander who got beat up by a mob of angry people.  The videotape of the incident picks up well after the encounter started so we have no way of knowing who provoked whom or who got up in who's face.  It's noteworthy to point out, though, that Perez claims it was brought to him, and Polo doesn't dispute that.

It's also VERY noteworthy to point out that Perez has said far, far worse to and about HUNDREDS of people, as you point out, and yet all of them (to date) have managed to control themselves enough to NOT assault the man.  Funny that.

Regardless, your post pretty much sums up exactly what I was saying earlier.  You are saying that, if someone is enough of an asshat, it's totally okay to hit him. 

As long as people passively give their stamp of approval to circumstantial violence, violence will continue to happen.  We need to collectively stand up and say it's NOT okay to hit, punch, slap, assault ANYONE for ANY reason.  Otherwise we're nothing but a bunch of thugs.

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A fist fight?

darcolover55 wrote:

One guy punching another guy in a fair fight (one on one) is not an act of assualt. It's a fist fight even if they BOTH have friends standing behind them to witness it (which was the case here)

 

It qualifies as a fist fight, if there is only one guy throwing a punch? It's a fair fight if one guy doesn't realize it's about to become a fist fight? I didn't watch the video, but the photo that I've seen shows hm getting hit in the back of the head. Indicating to me he was in the process of turning around, when he got hit. Yeah, that sounds really fair to me.

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Maybe not assault, maybe battery?

The person who throws the first punch, makes the first shove, slaps the other guy first - anything that makes an argument physical will always be at fault legally.  You just don't have a right to do that no matter how justified you may feel.  And yes, Fergie would be guilty of it if she slapped Perez (actually she'd be guilty of battery if memory serves from my business law class in college some years ago).

You say you are happy that justice will be served but I think you will be sorely disappointed if Perez can prove that the BEP manager laid hands on him first (esp. if Perez did not fight back physically).  He WILL win that lawsuit.

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I have never once said that I thought Perez DESERVED to get hit

This is not about deserved or undeserved. It's about dealing with REAL live versus the VIRTUAL life of the Internet.

The law says you can't smack the crap out of someone for screaming FAGGOT in your friend's face. Of course I realize that. I'm sure Polo Molina realizes it as well after the fact.

But since I am not a lawyer or a police officer, I don't just think about things in terms of what someone is legally allowed to do (in most cases I respect the law)

Perez just came smack dab up against the real world ramifications of behaving the way he does and making the choices he makes.

My mother always said "Don't let your mouth write a check that your arse can't cover" and it is advice that has served me well lo these past 40 years. So yeah, maybe I have a different perspective.

I said above and repeatedly in other posts that I think Polo Molina should have to pay the price for his actions. I said that I thought he should be ashamed of himself for hitting Perez (and for giving Perez more publicity). I still feel that way.

I think Polo Molina did the right thing by turning himself in. The Police are deaing with him. What more is there left to be done to him? He's not the first human being to throw a punch or several out of anger and frustration and he'll face the legal consequences.

To me, that is justice. That's what I mean by justice being served.

Having said that, I don't feel sorry for Perez Hilton one bit and that will not change no matter how many videos he makes claiming to be sorry.

Perez made a CHOICE to do and say what he does.

I have never once said that I think it is right or correct for someone to hit another person. I'm just not shocked and awed by it.

Maybe there is some kind of anti-violence bubble that overlays most people lives but that's not the world I live in. Men and women of all race, creeds, colors and classes fight.

Perez's words are NOT merely words. His words are hate speech. Unflitered, irresponsible hate speech.

Perez doesn't get punched out MOST of the time because he does what he does at a distance, from behind the safety of being on the Internet not just because everyone but Polo Molina is blessed with endless patience.

Perez is a bully he is no better than those children in high schools right now who use the internet and camera phones and chat rooms to torment and torture people until they either kill themselves or somebody else.

Celebrities are public figures so yeah, they should expect people to talk bad about them, but they are still human beings.

I have no problem with Polo Molina facing charges for something he admitted doing. Human beings are violent and we will always be violent and that's why we have laws to curtail those instincts or make us pay when we give in to them.

I STILL don't have any sympathy for Perez for being a giant crybaby.

Perez' apologies are meaningless. He didn't speak without thinking, he thought about it hard. He admitted wanting to get a rise out of Will I Am, he just wasn't counting on Polo Molina (who is more his size) being the one he got a rise out of.

Why apologize for it now? He should suck it up, get whatever legal recourse he is due and stop acting like there is some vendetta against him.

And no, I do not now, nor will I ever think that punching someone in anger (in and of itself) automatically makes you a "thug".

I think evaluating a violent act has to be done contextually (just like most things)

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Liz T's picture

wow...

interesting comments.

first of all, i voted for perez because he is a hypocrite. the ayatollah dude has made it clear how he feels about gays and all that. fine, that wont change. he's more than an asshat though.

we're living in a time where we're fighting for equal rights, right? tell me if i make a mistake here

some people mentioned how perez got so fired up over isaiah washington calling TR knight a faggot. he also got mad over prop 8. he also got mad at carrie prejean and called her a 'dumb bitch'

1. perez is lucky he hasn't been killed for who he is- a gay man

2. we dont have every right out there, but we have more than other places

3. 'faggot'- the word is used in a hateful way and to rile a person up so they will react and then that person can say it more and more to make the situation worse

4. back to equality....i know perez is not a 'spokesperson' and thank god for that...the thing is, he is a public figure. he's out there. my thing is....perez obviously believes we should all be treated with respect and equal rights and everything that most heterosexual people get, correct? otherwise, he wouldn't get so angry at certain stars and beauty contestants.

he can't sit there and expect someone to respect him if he DOES NOT DO THE SAME. that will take away any credibility you had. i actually thought he defended himself well during the Miss. Ca thing....but yeah, no more. gone

From what i hear, the manager dude simply told perez he didnt like him or something and perez got up in HIS face. wouldnt shut up, would not back down. well, if you get in my face, i might try to walk away, but if you follow me and start screaming at me and saying shit, you better expect me to react. perez seemed to WANT a reaction and he got it.

like i keep saying, what did he expect?

 

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Hey Liz, I have to

Hey Liz,

I have to admit, I don't see the correlation between respect and violence.  You are right that Perez shows little respect to anyone, and is therefore not entitled to much back, but how does that, in and of itself, lead to it being okay for someone to physically assault his person?

You said "what did he expect?"  I would think he expected what we should ALL expect; to live a life free from violence.  I'm not saying he should expect to be free from CONSEQUENCES of this action, just that violent consequences should never, ever be permitted or condoned, even passively.

Liz T's picture

hey zanefan

you're right. perez should be able to live a life free from violence. we all should.

BUT....as i said, it seemed like he would not back down. he can call someone a name all he wants and they can walk away....but this seemed like he was in this mans face, not backing down. most people in that situation will either shove you away or knock your lights out.

i wasnt saying perez's lack of respect should get his ass kicked. what i meant was, calling someone a hateful name won't get you any. he called Miss. CA a dumb bitch because she didnt agree with marriage.

..but then he goes and calls someone a faggot because he simply doesn't like him? perez seems to want respect, equality, but can't give it back in return, ya know?

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Absolutely, I don't

Absolutely, I don't disagree, and I am appalled that he called that guy the F bomb.  And he has since apologized, twice, sincerely and verbosely.  And, as I stated above, having been in heat of the moment situations, I can appreciate that.

Whether or not he was in that guy's face or not doesn't justify getting hit.  If someone confronts me, pacifist or not, I'm not gonna sit there and be quiet, I'll get right back in their face.  Nothing at all wrong with that, no crime is committed, nobody gets physically hurt. 

If what Perez says is true, he was confronted verbally, he responded verbally.  Then, as he turned to walk away, someone clocked him upside the head.

That, and only that, is my issue with that situation.  I am not defending Perez's honor, or defending his poor choice of words (which he has apologized for) nor am I saying he was justified in what he said about Fergie and the BEP.

All I am saying is you don't hit someone.  EVER.  And I think it's appalling that we, as a community that supposedly abhors violence, are passively saying it was OKAY that someone did.  It just goes to show how far we need to go, as a community and as a society.

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