the whole episode bored me. i was bummed.

also, lemme just say I DON'T CARE IF KITTY HAS A COLD!!!! she is like the meredith grey of this show.

what next? "robert, i keep farting...i just...can't go on today...i'm gonna go to bed" and then we'll have to watch stupid conversations about anti-gas medicines she is taking and her mom will tell her to deal with it. "everyone farts."

I loved the whole karaoke plot, and in particular the Sarah/Kevin dynamic.  They're the best sibling pair on the show.

Scott escorting a drunk Kevin offstage, as he waved to the crowd, was adorable.  (As for Scotty's friends...yes, they were fairly 1-dimensional, but what did you expect when they each received about 45 seconds of screentime?  At least they came around to Kevin in the end.)

Although we didn't get much on the Saul front, at least it indicates they haven't abandoned the storyline.  And with the casting Colantoni, I hope it means this story will develop in some signficant fashion.

The campaign stuff was moderately interesting at points, but I agree way too hastily resolved.  The show really needs to bring back the focus on the Walkers.

If Scotty's "friends" were real friends they would not have left him homeless, living out of his car. It was Kevin, his ex, who took him in off the street.

Scotty isn't at the bar every night. We have had several episodes where Kevin picks him up after the restaurant has closed and Scotty has done the cleaning up of the kitchen, so we're talking late hours.

I really think the whole Kevin and Jason relationship has been given too little attention and airtime. They supposedly were in 'Love' and all is resolved with a Tea and Supper, with the new Boyfriend chaperoning. Kevin after all is a Walker and the Walkers, as we have seen, cheat and sleep around and drink far too much. My ideal development would have Jason make a play for Kevin, succeed in bedding him, Kevin would get all guilty and confess to his sisters (which is equal to telling the whole world). Scotty would dump his mopey ass.  Then Jason would develop real feelings for Justin (yes David Anable we definitely need more bedroom scenes of you) and bring him over to our side for a season or two. Now that would be some Hot TV.

If these are his so-called friends, BRING BACK JASON IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin should have told them to go F**K Themselves. They're trash compared to Kevin.

i also want to say how i hate when friends make it sooooo obvious how they feel about another friend's gf/bf....ok, i am fine if they like me (duh) but when it's obvious they don't....and when my S.O. is right there and hears the snickering or smart ass remarks...i would like them to defend me..

at the same time, on the topic of the show - - i wish kevin had defended himself and told them "yeah, i hate karoake and i'm sorry i'm not as outgoing as you...but that's me, so friggin deal with it or get outta my face..."

i feel bad that he had to do something he could care less about just to impress scotty's friends. Scotty is with kevin...therefore, kevin must be doing something right if scotty wants to be with him. friends be damned.

...the reaction of Scotty's friends toward Kevin was understandable given how they are obviously in an entirely different social group. They are no doubt aware of the history between Kevin and Scotty and of course, would strongly take Scotty's side. And Kevin can act like a stuffed shirt. I thought it was sweet how hard Kevin worked to show Scotty that he would do anything to tell him how much he loved him, even public humiliation. And the friends did come around in the end.That was such a nice sincere kiss that Scotty gave him on the stage. I, too, like Sarah and Kevin acting off each other the best.

I am a little worried that they are backtracking Saul's storyline a bit. First we are led to believe that Saul had an affair with Milo, then last night, he says "we didn't have that kind of relationship" or something like that to which the Eric Colantoni character said "yes, he told me that". Did that mean that Saul just loved him from afar or that the relationship didn't go farther than sex? I thought maybe they were backing off of that a bit. Frankly, I would much rather have seen Saul and Milo get it on.

I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.

I actually liked Scotty's friends and felt really happy for him, that he had a group he could hang with and be comfortable around. They were fun, and young, and vibrant, and seemingly good friends of Scotty's, so why wouldn't they be looking out for their friend and his heart? And their urging of Sarah to have her divorce papers delivered? Priceless. But more on that later.*

It seemed realistic to me, that Scotty would be in love with Kevin and all his stuffed shirtness, but would also care a little about his friends' opinions, and want them to love Kevin, too. No, it's not necessary, but it sure makes life easier. Kevin's uptightness is one of his endearing qualities, and one Scotty is fully aware of, but Scotty isn't wrong to wish he could loosen up a bit now and then. If his friends had voiced something that was out of line, or incorrect about Kevin, I'm guessing Scotty would have defended his man vehemently. Scotty has never been one to mince words.

I really liked that Scotty didn't make that fatal mistake of giving up something he enjoyed just because Kevin didn't enjoy it! One of those rules of love...you have to keep some of your own stuff in a partnership. Scotty is ok with the fact that Kevin isn't a karaoke guy, and still went out with his friends. And as uncomfortable as Kevin was, he stepped up, because he saw the truth in their comments, too. Yes, he was pathetic up there on stage, but I think it was a good thing for Kevin to have to stretch a little bit out of his comfort zone (for once), or go a little extra mile to show Scotty how important their relationship is! And yes, kevinfan, Scotty escorting him offstage was totally adorable.

My heart aches for Saul. I didn't feel the backpeddaling, though. I interpreted the Eric Colantoni (love him, btw) line "yes, he told me about that" to mean, "yes, he told me everything, including that you would say that". And then he added that Saul broke Milo's heart. In a tv world where story lines and conflicts are wrapped up in unrealistic timeframes, I appreciate that the writers are handling Saul's struggles with thoughtful, tender moments like these. However, I'm absolutely not against seeing Saul and Milo (or Milo's friend) get in on the next time we see him! ;-)

And speaking of unrealistic timeframes, Jason (who seemed much prettier to me last night, dammit) sure resolved his feelings about his brother and Isaac quite quickly, didn't he? And speaking of just plain unrealistic...what Republican can you name who would have their gay brother up on the stage with him after winning the primary like that?

*Back to Sarah. So fun when she lets loose. So strikingly gorgeous (Rachel, I mean). The signing of the divorce papers was brilliant (and wouldn't have been as believable if the scene had come at an earlier time in the process, before she was settled with the decision). The decision to sleep with Graham was a bad one, I think. I wish she would have fought that one a bit longer. Sexual tension is a good thing. But I'm an oldfashioned girl, I guess.

Was WhinyKitty on last night? I must have gone to get a snack then.

OK... Yeah. we enjoyed last night's episode. Many of you make great points about it...Scotty's group of friends in particular.

I felt like the writers didn't really stretch themselves on this one much at all, instead reaching for the easy stereotype. I mean, they were--IMHO--just this caricature of gay men. Of course there was truth in the portrayal...(Have any of you ever hung out in the gay scene in DALLAS at all?!) ...but.... not everyone's group of gay friends is like that!

Yes: each of the many storylines is competing for time.
Yes: each character only had like 45 seconds of airtime.
Yes: the friends had ample cause to dislike Kevin and eventually came around.

But geeze. I just feel like we as a community have been somehow slighted because they went with an image (stereotype) of gay men that doesn't necessarily represent the gay community and what a group of gay friends looks like.

Or does it?

Hm. Thoughts?

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 I honestly thought the friends were pretty tame compared to other stereotyped versions of gay men I've seen.  Yeah, they were a bit cold at first, but they were fun with Sarah and eventully embraced Kevin. 

And for a show that features such rich, 3-dimensional characterizations of gay characters (Kevin, Scotty, and the various love interests, Saul), I don't think one can honestly argue that this show has slighted the gay community.  In fact, I'd argue it's the first drama on network TV that has gone a long way toward humanizing the gay community. 

Honestly, on what other show would you have a gay brother and his sister decide go go drinking at a gay bar and then have his boyfriend later kiss him onstage?  Such normalcy has become commonplace on B&S, but when you take a step back and look at the scarcity of gay representation on TV in general, it's quite remarkable.  I applaud the producers of this show for continuing to develop this storyline.

i think the writers had scotty's friends be stereotypical gay men only because scotty and kevin are different in that sort...scotty is more outgoing and willing to look a bit stupid for shits and giggles...and kevin isn't. (i don't know if that made sense, but whatever...)  - i mean, sometimes people are friends with people similar to them.

i bet if it were scotty out with kevin and his friends...they'd probably have all these uptight lawyer friends (is there a stereotype for lawyers? haha) judging scotty and being like "ummm...weird much?" because of his outgoing nature.

Insofar as they overall characterizations, I think the gay men were justly depicted.  I've certainly observed enough gay men in my life to recognize the tenor of their conversation.

But the show made it clear they weren't stand-ins for ALL groups of gay friends (how could any single group of friends represent such a thing?).  Rather, they were Scotty's group of "bohemian" gay friends.  In that specific context, I think it worked. 

It was interesting to see the inevitable conflict that arises when someone from an upper-middle/lower-upper class background like Kevin dates someone like Scotty.  And it is also true that many self-proclaimed "real" gays have a tendency to pass judgement on non-flamboyant gays like Kevin, as Scotty himself did in fact when they first met.

One of the things I liked about Will Truman in the early seasons of Will & Grace was that I could relate to him, being a non-flamboyant career gay myself.  But sadly they made him more stereotypical in later seasons.  I also love Kevin for the same reason.  Not all gay men are like Jack McFarland.

So Kevin isn't a cater waiter, bartender or valet.  Is he uptight?  Yes, more than a little.  But he's lawyer from a well-to-do family.  What some might consider "uptightness" might instead be considered "maturity" in some circles.

I have to agree with the comment that obviously these "friends" of Scotty's weren't a means of succor during Scotty's brief homeless period.  But I suspect he hangs around with them because they're fun and don't make him feel inferior.

The Robert/Jason thing was just lame.  But as is being argued on another forum Robert's whole overly gay-friendly attitude is unbelievable for a GOP presidential candidate so it shouldn't be a surprise that they wimped out and went for a quick and easy resolution.  I get that Jason is a minister, but he's way too inclined to forgive anything Robert does.

One can only hope that the Saul storyline will develop more soon.  I'm waiting for Nora and Kevin to finally realize that they both know and descend on Saul in an orgy of family angst.

"So Kevin isn't a cater waiter, bartender or valet.  Is he uptight?  Yes, more than a little.  But he's lawyer from a well-to-do family.  What some might consider "uptightness" might instead be considered "maturity" in some circles.

Great point. I've always looked on Kevin as more mature than uptight. With Scotty i've always seen him as the more relaxed type who wears his emotions on his sleeve.

I had no problem with Scotty's friends. Infact, these are the type of friends I would expect Scotty to associate with...care free and easy going.

I enjoyed the show, but the karaoke sceens with Sarah/Kevin was the highlight. I hope the writers give us more scenes with Sarah and Kevin in the upcoming episodes. Loved Kevin going onstage to prove himself to Scotty. And that was a very sweet scene with Scotty leading Kevin off the stage to save him from further embarrassment. Matthew Rhys and Luke McFarland have really great chemistry. Their scenes come off very natural, resulting in a convincing couple.

The Robert/Jason conclusion seemed very rushed and fell flat. I don't know if the Jason character is going to stay around or not, and quite frankly i'm not intrigued either way. I just hope he doesn't once again become part of a Kevin/Scotty/Jason triangle. I just want Kevin to have a steady/stable relationship with Scotty, hopefully for a prolonged length of time. I love them paired together. 

Scotty's friends.... I think the whole intent of the scene was to show that Scotty and Kevin are not a good fit. Scotty is too young for Kevin and they are in different places. Kevin did not fit in with the group and I don't see him ever fitting in. He could only join in by getting drunk. What happens when he sobers up?He is different then they are. Not better or worse just different. I have always thought that Kevin is a much better fit with Jason. As much as I love Scotty I think Kevin belongs with Jason and Scotty will be the one to realize it.

All the Walkers play well against each other and I love when they are together. 

I loved the Kevin/Scotty parts, though maybe Scotty could have told his friends that he was happy with Kevin now and likes being with him, but Kevin proved his love for Scotty once again. I too wondered, what happens when he sobers up? But it's not the first time that Kevin got drunk, not the first time he made a fool of himself, so he'll find a way of dealing with it. AND a lot depends, I guess, on how well Scotty showed his appreciation afterwards (you know, the things we don't get to see ;-D)

I agree that the Jason storyline just fell flat. For one moment I was actually rooting for him. Then.... nothing... I feel cheated again. Hope he will remain on Roberts campaign for the next months to come and stays far, far away from Kevin/Scotty.