can i just say that for ME, what was so great last night was a HELL OF A SHORTAGE of the whole "running for president" storyline. we only saw kitty twice...and we didn't see her husband (i actually forget his name! HA)

good stuff. :-D

Well I didn't really like the episode that much, but that's probably because I can't stand Scotty. I know it's an unpopular opinion here but I much prefer Kevin and Jason as a couple. I did like the rest of the show, especially Nora and Isaac, though.

The only good thing in this episode was Kevin/Jason/Scotty. Their scenes were great and fun. Everything else was just sooo boring. And I missed Kitty and Robert. Didn't think I would, but they actually make this show worth watching, and Kitty is the funniest of them all. I love when the famliy is together and fighting with each other mostly, and  there was almost nothing like that in this episode. And oh my god can Tommy be any more boring! I hope the writers realize that everyone thinks he is boring and don't give him that much screen time. Sorry, but I can't help feel that way. None of his storylines are great. I'm so glad Lena is out of the picture now. Hopefully we'll never see her again.

 That scene with Kevin and Scotty in the car was one of the best ever. Really loved it. It was so cute.

HOW COOL IS IT that a FULL-ON KISS BETWEEN 2 MEN (despite it being between Kevin and Scotty and not Kevin and Preacherman) is on prime-time TV?!! Good for ABC! And more kudos for letting an interracial relationship develop so naturally, as if it were no big deal. DUH! (Not to mention a Dem vs. GOP relationship! Pretty ballsy! haha)

This was a good episode. I too missed some of the McCallister for Prez storyline (I'd vote for him hahah) but I'm glad that we've finally resolved the Justin-Lena-Tommy triangle. This one was wearing on me. (But is she gone for good?!)

Now...here's the real gist of my post. Scotty or Jason? Readers, I'd love to know what you think cuz the husband and I vehemently disagree. I think Jason is a waaaaay better choice. (I think it's the eyes...and the face...and the ...face...) For whatever reason, he likes Scotty and tells me every time I say something about Jason. Scotty is so annoying to me...

[OK Random Moment of Self-Introspection: Actually, I think I'm a lot like Scotty. After Scotty busting in on Kevin's tea party played out, husband leaned over to me and said, "oh my God! That's exactly like something you would do" to which i replied, "damn straight!") ... So I guess now that I think about it, it's kinda validating (?) that husband likes Scotty better? LOL]

Anyway, now that you've all seen me introspect, what do you think? Who do you like better? Jason or Scotty?

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I loved the dialogue myself. This is one of the very few shows where all the storylines have me hooked.

 

Re: Scotty/Kevin/Jason: I almost, almost expected Jason and Scotty to meet up at a bar or something and commiserate over the emotional tornado that is Kevin. Personally, I think that would be an interesting twist on the whole thing, if Scotty and Jason hooked up. But if I want someone to be with Kevin, it'd be Jason...I guess because I find Eric W more scorchingly hotter than Luke M.

 

Also, I think Kevin needs someone to challenge him and ruffle his feathers every now and then...and Jason is better at that than Scotty is.

Maybe I'm way off base with this, but it sort of seemed like the show set up Kevin and Jason to get together behind Scotty's back.  In the previews for next weeks episode, Jason and Robert have a huge argument over the whole gay issue.  I could easily see Jason going to Kevin for commiseration, and given Kevin's commitment issues I could easily see it going that way.  I'm probably wrong, and the argument between Robert and Jason is a way to get rid of him on the show, but I don't know. 

I really enjoyed the episode last night, but that scene in the car with Kevin and Scotty was the icing on the cake. The conversation, body language, eye contact and of course that beautiful makeup kiss was gorgeous.  Best kiss i've seen between Kevin and any of the past boyfriends on the show. 

I totally understood Scotty suddenly turning up at the cosy little meeting Kevin had set up for himself with Jason. Scotty loves Kevin and was scared that he would loose him to his ex boyfriend. Sure he was jealous and unsure, a perfectly natural reaction given the situation.  I love Scotty so much for Kevin. I was so pleased when Kevin chose Scotty over Jason last night and committed to stay with him. I've been a huge fan of Scotty from season one and was so pissed when he exited the show so early. Thank God they brought him back. I don't care that Jason is fit, Scotty is the sweetheart and in my opinion also very attractive. I'm also not feeling the chemistry between the actor who plays Jason and Matthew Rhys, but Luke MacFarlane and Matthew Rhys really have some great on screen presence together.  I hope it's the last we see of Jason next week so we can move ahead with the relationship between Kevin and Scotty. I'm sure there will be many ups and downs, but as long as they make it work. I want to see them together.

 

Loved the ep ( our gay guys triangle, Sarah, Nora and the non-presidential storyline. Hated Tommy/Lena/Justin, want more Holly ), and I really don't see the whole Jason McAllister appeal. He's cute but not HOT ( Kevin already had HOT and it was a completely different ball game ), and politics and religion would always be a burden.

Scotty....he's cute in a different way. He's normal-cute, and I believe that some men don't like him because he doesn't fit into some fantasy-projective-wanna be model of a gay man. Let's face it, I know many Scotties, they are my reality. But none of them are this sweet or patient. I want myself some Scotty, *sigh*.

Kevin does get on my nerves, though, buty I guess it's just the Walker Neurosis the 5 of them got with Nora's genes

I was on the fence until last night, but then Jason managed to make me hate him.

He and his brother Robert are so alike in their self-absorbtion.  They want to be in relationships but they want to be the ones making all the decisions about how the relationship plays out.  Just like Robert misleading Kitty about having children.

Kevin has a perfectly valid reason to be angry with Jason, and to break up with him.  So Jason was having a crisis of faith?  Okay, fine, but by completely shutting Kevin out and ignoring him, Jason is saying that his thoughts, feelings and indeed basic input are irrelevant to him.  He wants to make his own decisions and resolve his own issues and deliver the result to Kevin after the fact.  That's not a partnership.

Scotty's decision to "mediate" (read: chaperone) actually conveyed what Kevin really needed: to know that he cared.  That little bit of possessive territorialism tells Kevin that Scotty isn't indifferent to him.  Scotty wants to hang onto Kevin and not just treat him as a dispensible accessory.  He's shown that he's not looking for sugar daddy several times already.  What he wants is Kevin himself.

For all his career success Kevin is very insecure and needs to feel like someone cares about him.  Like Chad last season, Jason showed that Kevin would have to take a back seat to his personal "growth".

The best dynamic at the table was actually between Scotty and Jason because it's clear that Jason and Kevin would have just had a staring match and not said what was really on their minds otherwise.  I actually really enjoyed that scene, and to be honest it's the talking that makes B&S such a great show.  The characters don't merely spout dialogue, they actually interact with each other.

Not sure about next week, but it doesn't look like Jason is in on the gay bar expedition.  The fight with Robert looks more like the inevitable conflict between Jason's homosexuality and Robert's need to win votes in the Red States.  In the absence of writers, it remains to be seen if this is a plot that will really involve Kevin or if it is the first salvo in Robert's campaign going to hell.  Robert has, to date, come across as far too liberal given the way Kevin was bent out of shape over his voting record and speeches in Season 1.  I'm expecting that soon Robert has to stop being such a gosh darn nice guy and start behaving like a Republican presidential candidate, which inevitably requires pandering to the legendary right-wing base.

Psionycx...you hit the nail on the head with your post. Great analysis of Kevin, Scotty and Jason.

"'Scotty's decision to "mediate" (read: chaperone) actually conveyed what Kevin really needed: to know that he cared.  That little bit of possessive territorialism tells Kevin that Scotty isn't indifferent to him.  Scotty wants to hang onto Kevin and not just treat him as a dispensible accessory.  He's shown that he's not looking for sugar daddy several times already.  What he wants is Kevin himself."

Bingo!! Scotty really loves Kevin and wants to make things work. He wants Kevin as his partner. He wants a serious and solid relationship, not just another 'dispensible accessory' as you rightly put it. I think Kevin saw this last night through Scotty's crashing the meeting between him and Jason and their heartfelt talk the following morning in the car...that was a lovely scene.   

After Dennis posts his recap of this episode, I am going to post a long-gestating theory as to why I think Scotty is the better choice for Kevin.  Psionycx has touched on a part of it, and I have to agree with everything he wrote.

About the Scotty or Jason argument-

I'd definitely prefer to see Kevin with Jason. I really liked the portrayal of their relationship in the second season premiere and for the first time I got this ''settled down'' vibe between any of Kevin and his boyfriends. Also, Jason is the first man Kevin mentioned the 'L' word to so I was definitely shocked how quickly he threw away that relationship to get back with his ex.

Secondly, I never really liked Scotty right from the first season. I think long term relationships are not his thing. Plus, I was really tired of the constant fighting and bickering he did with Kevin so I was glad when Jason came back into the picture because he brings some stability into Kevin's life. Scotty reminds me of this bitchy gay guy my brother used to date in high school, so I find the Kevin/Scotty relationship really juvenile-like.

About the kiss- It was pretty nicely done, just wish it was between Kevin and Jason. Jason is just so much hotter. ;D

 

During the first season, I didn't much care for Scotty--I found him at times to be a bit immature...but I also recognized that he and Kevin have incredible chemistry together.

Conversely, Eric Winter is so unbelievably hot that I was willing to give Jason the benefit of the doubt in his relationship with Kevin; nevertheless, I have to side with Scotty--who has been there for Kevin while Jason was thousands of miles away being rather selfish, in my opinion.

I guess that however hot Jason is, I find his passive-aggressiveness incredibly annoying.

Jason actually seems to think that he is the wronged party, because Kevin broke up with him!  The fact that he was pretty much expressing contempt through his utter disregard of Kevin is beyond him.  He was so caught up in his selfish need to settle his personnal "crisis of faith" that it didn't even occur to him that he could be hurting Kevin by so blatantly ignoring him and his feelings.  A phone call or two might have averted the breakup, but Jason didn't want to expose himself emotionally.

Personally I think that Jason has issues with his own sexuality that are not truthfully resolved no matter what he claims, hence his crisis of faith. He ignored Kevin hoping that it would drive him to break up so that Jason could feel self-righteous about it instead of guilty.  Now he can tell himself that it wasn't his fault, despite the way he flat-out told Kevin that he is in the back seat compared to Jason's faith, or his personal emotional needs for that matter.

We hear so much about how hard it is for minister's wives.  Guess it isn't any easier for their same-sex partners.

Next up will be Jason's battle with Robert over his orientation, which should be immensely fun.  Like I said before, Robert is just a little too progressive to be a believable Republican presidential candidate.  It has to hit the fan sooner or later.

Scotty may be a little flighty, but he's very honest about his feelings, and that's his biggest contrast to Jason.  And Kevin is very emotionally vulnerable, he can't cope with a boyfriend that plays mind games.

Insightful analysis, Psionycx. You very eloquently put into words what I was feeling while watching this episode.

In terms of the Scotty or Jason debate, while Eric Winter probably trumps Luke MacFarlane in terms of runway model looks, I always felt there was a distinct lack of chemistry between either Eric and Matthew, the actors, or Jason and Kevin, the characters they portray. From day 1, I just never bought into the relationship the show tried to create for Kevin and Jason. Even Chad Berry seemed to generate more sparks with Kevin than Jason McCallister ever did. On the other hand, for me, Scotty and Kevin just seem so natural together, which is probably a credit to the actors themselves. The kiss at the end was just wonderful, but I also really liked the lobster bib scene a few episodes back.

And Brent, the whole key to this series *is* the strength of its dialogue. The most brilliant scenes involve the complex dialogue interactions of the entire clan.

I love Scotty. He is adorable and I also appreciate the fact that he is an out gay actor. In the first season I loved the kiss at the doorway. In that season Scotty was played as pretty flamboyant and that all changed with no explanation. I liked Kevin and Scotty but when Jason came along I changed my mind. I still love Scotty but I think he is still somewhat immature. I actually think that Jason and Kevin do have chemistry. Together they make a much more mature couple. As for the fight over dinner I thought there was a lot of sparks flying between Jason and Kevin. Scotty picked up on this and despite Kevin's promises I think Scotty will get hurt again. If Kevin was over Jason then he wouldn't have been so angry he would have been indifferent. Even if they don't end up together. If I was Scotty I would always worry about Kevin

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i love scotty yes jason is hot but look at scotty u cant say no to him he just look like a small lost puppy that u really want to take care of him i love scotty and kevin infact i think kevin doesnt deserve him he is always making scotty sad  and if kevin said he loved jason its because of his relationship with scotty u cant deny that u cant realised love exciste in onenight it is a hard work and kevin by loosing scotty come to this reason  but i really like to see when scotty and jason hooke up and cheat on kevin it will be so fun and i will laugh at kevin ahh kevin isnt even a little cute!!!!why his boyfriends should be hot and cute its not  fair

Thank you, Psionycx, for putting so well into words what I feel is the difference between Jason and Scotty. I love Scotty, because he loves Kevin SO much. And I'm glad that he does, because Kevin craves to be loved and he deserves it.  Scotty is younger and perhaps it is true that he's more immature than Jason, but so is Kevin. It would be nice to see them teach eachother and learn from eachother.

I loved the dinner between the three men. It was like a mini-Walker-dinner. It starts polite, friendly, and results in a big blow up. And I forgot to mention that killer-last-line that Scotty delivers when he said "Well, I'm really glad we had this talk." Nora couldn't have done it better! The three actors were just great and a pleasure to look at.

Just one thing about the review. Jason did not 'storm off' mid-meal. The scene ends with the three of them still at the table. After the argument, I think he probably made an apology to Scotty (as Kevin is probably still sulking) and decided to leave quietly, because he'll try to leave with as much dignity as possible.

Also, I would like to react to what Gabriella said about: "Jason is the first man Kevin mentioned the 'L' word to so I was definitely shocked how quickly he threw away that relationship to get back with his ex."

We don't know that Jason was the 'first'. Kevin had relationships prior to episode 1.01. When he meets Scotty the first time, Scotty discusses the picture of Kevin's ex in his office, so don't put Jason on a pedestal where the L-word is concerned. He used it the first time on screen with Jason, that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't say them to Chad or Scotty. We just didn't see that.

Also, Kevin said them to Jason because Jason wanted to hear them. And the words are no garantuees for eternal bliss.

Furthermore, it didn't do Kevin any good to have said those words, because JASON abandonned the relationship (in Kevin's view.... and in mine). Kevin waited weeks for a single phonecall from the man he loved and he was completely ignored, but Jason had time to talk to Robert twice, maybe even more often. Sorry, but JASON torpedoed the relationship thoroughly. I hope he stays OUT of Kevin's life from now on. He has hurt Kevin enough.

I DO hope that THIS time Kevin will have a happy relationship that lasts longer than a few episodes, because I'm sick and tired of all this drama with Kevin's relationships. Enough is enough! Oh, can we have more Kevin/Scotty kisses like we saw this episode. I just love them! (The boys AND their kissing!)

Btw, ghasedak, Kevin is played by Matthew Rhys, who is imo the hottest, sexiest, most talented actor with the most beautiful blue eyes, I've had the pleasure to look at in years. I'd prefer him over Luke MacFarlane, Jason Lewis and/or Eric Winter. So to each his own, I guess.

PS: No McCallister? Really? I knew there was a reason why I didn't fall asleep during this in this episode and I blamed the K/S/J for it, but it was the lack of Robert. ;-)

...As was his remark earlier, when he crashes in and turns to kevin to say that he brought soft shell crabs: "They're not lobsters, but...." Ooh, the sweet reminder! :-D

He delivered his stabs very cleverly.

 

That one was really great, although obviously it was meant as a reminder to Kevin, since it sailed right over Jason's head.  I doubt that when Kevin left his breakup message he admitted to having sex in a lobster bib.  Scotty was staking his claim as soon as he walked in the door.

If you notice, Kevin and Scotty always do find their way back to each other.  It's actually kind of a recurring theme in the show.  Their relationship isn't drama-free, but then nobody's is on this show.  Kitty & Robert and Tommy & Julia also have relationships with issues.  That's normal.  But I think that Kevin would eventually become stale as a character if they simply kept on with the single-gay-man-looking-for-love-and-losing-out.  The flip side to being the first gay character on primetime that consistently has actual relationships with men fully onscreen is that the meet-date-breakup cycle can get repetitive.

This doesn't mean that writers wouldn't do that, and make him boring (as they have with Justin and Tommy).  But it would be a shame to see.  I think it's time that Kevin was shown in a relationship.  There's plenty of plot points there.  I would expect that even with Scotty instead of Jason he will be at odds with Robert over gay issues, which will naturally impact his relationship with Kitty (married to Robert) and potentially Justin (worships Robert).

Dave

 

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