ATWT video clip update: Dueling strippers edition

Over on the live blogging site someone said "this is all they could get?" with regards to the strippers... I have to say I agree! Wow they had a nice body but both were lame in the erotic dancer category. snore! Nice abs does not a stripper make.

And would they stop letting Brian off the hook already with Luke's threats! Just tell Grandma!

at least Van is getting more airtime.   Wish I knew where they are taking NUKE...that relationship seems to have been jettisoned.  

Sorry, guys, but I had to laugh out loud - so funny!!!  The S/L and dialog are so bad that it becomes hilariously funny.  The writers have opted for a NUKE S/L that is so ridiculous as to be totally incredulous.  A few days ago I suggested a "great" S/L when Brian got Luke to rest in his suite...I blogged that Brian should return to Luke coming out of shower in a towel and Lucinda should barge in as Brian made a pass at Luke while ripping towel off Luke.  Oh well, Lily & Holden didn't quite barge in, but it was still funny...maybe not fall off the sofa laughing funny,  but funny and ridiculous all at the same time.

Actually, to really make things great, Luke should have kissed Brian to make Noah, the ever afraid of gay sex, quasi-hetero, jealous!  Then there would have been a story.  And of course the totally absurd remark of Luke for Noah to give him another chance is the most hilariously funny of all since there never, and I mean NEVER was a "First" chance.  They've NEVER been together...not in 18 months!  They are NOT a couple and NEVER have been.  Noah had more physical contact w/Maddy in one brief moment than he has had w/Luke in 18 months - need one say any more?  I think NOT!

If all  a viewer of the Nuke storyline cares about, at this point, is whether or not Nuke has sex, then they are definitely wasting their time with this storyline and they are not going to have any fun and their head might explode if  they continue to watch Nuke with the idea that they will only truly exist as a couple once they have sex. 

If that's how someone sees things, why watch? why talk about it? why berate others?  What is the point or repeating over and over, "Nuke isn't a couple", "Nuke needs to have sex", as if he rest of the folks don't know what's been going on , on screen?

It would be just as maddening to constantly wondering why Ethan is older than 2 when he was only born 2 years ago on the show.  

I get it, it's maddening and frustrating and you hate it and we're all fools for watching.  And?

Watch Ollian/Chrolli  (like so many of us do and enjoy thorough).  Watch  any number of other lovely gay character inclusive soap opera storylines (there are tons over on “The Gays of Daytime” blog and message board to choose from)  and discussed on "Gays of Our Lives" right here each week on A.E. 

It's not like there aren't other storylines to chose from and be less frustrated by.

Enjoy the freedom of expression of gay sexuality and romance that not being a US soap produced by P&G/CBS or policed by the AFA has to offer.

If a viewer isn't willing to "roll with it" there is just no point in watching ANY fictional television  This seems particularly true regarding soap operas (which operate much more like SciFi than dramas from what I can tell).

I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  Passionately.  I could not love it even a little tiny bit if I was unwilling to accept the "rules" and "truths" of Jossland (which rarely have anything to do with reality and often contradict themselves).

If I'm going to be so completely put out by the fact there is no reasonable explanation for how folks repair the repeated destruction of property, or that everyone who isn't part of the demon/vampire fighting seems to magically forget everything they've seen, heard, then  there is not point in watching Buffy.  I won't even go into the whole Buffy/Angel no sex thing.

You don't have to just accept that there are vampires and slayers (that's a given) you have to accept the fact that a "normal" teenaged boy (with no super powers) can be repeatedly thrown across a room against a wall and simply be knocked unconscious without any other visible or internal damage to his body.   They don’t even bother to explain why (even Nuke has “reasons” for not having sex) you just accept it.  Xander can’t be harmed, until he can be harmed. Rhyme, reason be danmed.  [As an aside, you also have to accept that this is American commercial television and there will be no nudity or cussing despite all the sex and violence]

As the viewer, I have to accept the internal logic of Sunnydale, THEN I can argue about what Spike will or won't do and whether or not Angel really loves Buffy, and whether or not Xander should or shouldn't trust Anya's motives, etc.

I accept the internal (and well mocked) logic of ATWT (and Nuke not having sex is only 1 of the ridiculous things about their story) then I can argue about the reasons for any character doing or not doing something.   The only US soaps I’ve ever watched are ATWT (Nuke clips) and Nightshift (full eps) so I have no first hand experience with how logical or authentic other soaps are.  I’d assume, not so much.  Even still I   used to spend a lot of time wondering why they couldn't have sex in the barn, in a car, under the kitchen table, etc. 

Then I learned to love the bomb.  It's fun to watch ATWT and talk about it and I care about Nuke as characters (because Jake and Van made me).   Done and done.  

There is nothing fun about watching a soap opera unless you are willing to "go with" the internal logic of the soap.  Doesn't mean you don't wish characters would do one thing over the other or that you don't start to "care" about whether or not "Carly gets back with Jack" or "Ethan gets rescued from the well" or Emma loses her farm.

I don't expect Lily to act like a real woman or business owner or mother.   I do expect Lily to act like what I've come to know of as "Lily" and when she doesn’t I get to kvetch.

Yes,  ATWT expects us to believe that Luke and Noah have done exactly what they have for the reasons they have given and ATWT expects us to accept that internal logic whether or not it makes sense with regard to what "actual" or "real" young gay men would do (horny, not horny, virgins, not virgins)   If we accept the logic, then yes, we can care about Noah's motivations or Luke's health.   We can argue about it and debate courses of actions, etc.    If we don’t, we can’t.

Nuke only exists in the world of ATWT and in that world, they don't (or at least haven't) had sex.  It is as ridiculous as almost EVERY OTHER THING folks have mentioned about time travel and folks who never seem to actually work and any number of other insane, illogical storylines and plot devices that defy biology, laws of physics and human anatomy that viewers HAVE to believe in order to watch/enjoy any soap.

I get it, THE SEX is the reason why we as gay people (and particularly gay men) are discriminated against.  Depicting a gay male couple that consciously doesn't have sex for ridiculous reasons so that some potential number of homophobic viewers isn’t offended or CBS isn’t boycotted is wrong.  And so?

If the writers of ATWT can't authentically or honestly or respectfully or believably depict any other kind of human relationship (sexual or otherwise) why would we expect them to be able to do so with NUKE?  No one with any marbles watches a soap opera to teach them about gay men (or college politics or breast cancer or raising horses, etc). 

Even if you have never met or known or seen a gay man in your life, the one think you know is that  they have THE SEX with each other (you either think it's a sin or AWESOME or you don't care)

If you're watching ATWT, you know why Luke and Noah haven't (both within and outside of the internal logic of ATWT). 

Homophobic straight people know why (and are happy). Gay loving straight people know why (and are sad).  Gay men and lesbians know why (and are enraged).

P&G, CBS, AFA, whatever! we all know why and we believe it is right or wrong based upon who we are and what we believe about gay folks and ourselves and what we expect for television. 

I think the Consummation Clock is AWESOME and makes a great in-your-face point  about how unsatisfying and infuriating and ridiculous it is that this couple has not had sex in a world where EVERYONE has sex with everyone else all the time and we KNOW it’s only because they are gay.  Point made.

I think any viewer could just decide to say WHO CARES about all the other characters and storylines, "Luke and Noah are being treated differently than straight people" (which they are) and "NUKE are not reflective of "normal" teenage sexuality (gay or straight)" and therefore, "I'm Not Watching This Crap!" 

You only have two choices,  Go, Fly, Be Free of the insanity that is Nuke or embrace the crazy that is ATWT and roll within the parameters as presented. 

Darcolover55 - if nothing else, you are entertaining though a bit long-winded.

Actually, you've made my point for me.  The "key" is in fact the "consummation clock!"  Maybe it won't work, maybe it will.  It may or may not have worked for the kissing and so it is with the consummation clock.  It is "awesome" - especially if it works!

As for why I berate ATWT writers who for whatever reason will not or cannot allow Luke & Noah to be a "normal" sexual couple like every other in soapdom, it is because I care about how gay people are portrayed on television or in films or on the stage.  I remember only too well Stonewall and the effect it had BECAUSE WE STOOD UP (ALTHOUGH I WAS IN L.A. ON THAT SPECIAL NIGHT) AND DIDN'T ALLOW THE POLICE TO HAVE THEIR FUN WITH US!  WE FOUGHT AND SO WE MUST AGAIN EVEN THOUGH IT'S A RIDICULOUS SOAP OPERA!

In the end, Darcolover, ATWT is not a fairy tale - at least in the Buffy TV world.  There are no fantasy creature vampires, Oakdale is made up of humans.  And in the case of Van & Jake, very, very beautiful humans.  And what's more if I want to watch ATWT on You Tube without sound only to look at these two amazing young men, I shall do so and you'll just have to deal with it...or not; I do not care.

I do care about how gay people are portrayed in the media & that even includes ATWT.  So I shall continue voicing my objections along with the "Consummation Clock" and just maybe it WILL make a difference.

You are free to watch & enjoy in your world...and as this is America, so I may do the same in my world.

Yeah, it's turning into The Bold and The Beautiful where the same two or three couples exchange partners every couple of months.  Makes no sense and leads to all kinds of inbreeding.

Brian has really been the freshest thing to happen to the show in awhile (Josie is just a retread of the Sophie storyline and yet another way to keep Dusty tied to Paul, Meg and Craig).

And how creepy is it that Craig is now involved with Dani, a girl he considered his own daughter for the first year of her life. EW.  At least they acknowledged the old connection instead of ignoring it (like they seem to have done with Meg's hysterectomy).