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Daytime Drive By (October 2, 2009)
Having trouble keeping track of the many gay boys cropping up on U.S. daytime soaps these days? We're here to help with our new semi-regular feature Daytime Drive By, where we give you the rundown on Luke, Rafe, Fish and all the rest of the gay gang. Look for DDB whenever we don't have a liveblog and something gay happens on daytime television that you just have to know about! Today Mason is making the lamest move on Noah in the history of pickup lines on As the World Turns, but for Oliver/Kyle/Nick/Layla/Cristian on OLTL, head on over to the liveblog by Punmaster snicks! As The World TurnsNoah and Mason sit in an office that is way too nice for a college professor. They’re looking at head shots for people to play the lead in Noah’s student film (which I thought you always got a buddy to do, because there’s never any money for student films). But then I remembered Damien had bankrolled this project.
I think they used ATWT actors' headshots. This really looks like Noah's on the big screen. Noah rejects a bunch of people, and I have to admit, if they had any chemistry at all, it would be a bit like having an adult film on with a buddy – the concept is charged with potential, but the execution, meh. When Noah finally finds somebody he thinks is cute, Mason tells him the guy isn’t as cute as him. Awkward!
Noah realizes Mason "accidentally" getting a single bed in the room on those trips was on purpose. Damien and Lily are at the police station with Jack, who’s trying to get Damien to fess up that Holden is alive. Evidently Meg stole all his files from his hotel room, and is plotting with Lucinda against Damien. Back at the uncomfortable moment with Noah and Mason, Mason tries leading with "picking the leading man can make or break a film", and since it’s Noah’s alter ego, the choice is doubly important. I laugh out loud when he says "It's important that the actor have the same charisma" as Noah. When he realizes Noah is squirming to the other edge of the room like he’s seen a spider, he admits the attraction to Noah. Noah mumbles like he’s shocked that inappropriate attractions happen (he’s forgotten Luke & Brian evidently), and says he has to go meet Luke.
He can't be further from Mason and still in the room. Blah, blah, blah, Lily doesn’t like being made to feel guilty about sleeping with Damien before her husband’s crispy fried remains have cooled in the ground. Noah finds Luke at Java, studying. Since Luke knows he’s not there to advance their relationship, he wants to know why Noah isn’t looking at casting photos of hot men. Noah fesses up that that his prof came on to him.
Oh no he didn't! Holden and the blond hillbilly are trapped in a cellar with lighting as bad as one would expect. Luke wants to know if Mason touched him. Noah admits to an arm around the shoulder. Luke rants about the fact that Mason is his professor, and hitting on his students is unacceptable. He starts to go out the door to “get in his face.”
Luke gives up on the script, and just starts mugging like he does when he's bored. Noah stops him, saying maybe he overreacted. Luke says it’s sexual harassment, and it can’t stand. Lucinda has been defanged. Her battle with Damien, which I had so looked forward to, is boring. Luke, in the alley: Mason is in a position of power. If Noah doesn’t tell him it’s wrong, he’s giving permission for it to continue. He insists that they go confront Mason immediately, together.
Maybe he has something stuck in his teeth. Nuke barges into Mason’s office, and before Luke can attack, Mason starts apologizing and saying what he did was wrong, and it won’t happen again. He says life has been strange since George is gone. They shake hands, and the boys leave. Luke claims satisfaction. That makes one of us.
Luke is having none of this sh%$t. Holden and Maeve find the stash of stolen money, because evidently they’re in the dead crispy guy’s cellar. Meanwhile Faith enters the Lilypad and gets a stricken look on her face. Damien, who’s upstairs in Lily’s bed, goes downstairs to investigate the noise, and finds Eb holding Faith with a gun to her head.
Wonder if action hero Noah gets to save Faith? So that was our first daytime conflict in a long time. I actually had to jumpstart the car for the trip to Oakdale. My Twitter says OLTL was boring today - did I miss out watch ATWT? Will Luke report Mason? Will the boys get a real story, that does involve Luke: The Avenger? Sound off below. Submitted by on Fri, 2009-10-02 16:40. |
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omg! George died? did i miss something? anyway what a lame excuse for Mason,i'm not surprised though,the plot is silly as always on ATWT.
No, just me dozing off
I watched it twice, Mason said "is gone" but my brain translated that wrong. As far as I know, George is still alive, but still just as sick of Mason as the rest of us.
I fixed it. Thanks!
I thought George was bored
Yeh
Wow. They kept the non-existent tension going...
... for an entire episode. Way to really explore the complexities of human interaction ATWT.
Snoresome
This write-up does not cause ATWT to induce trans-atlantic soap-envy like OLTL does.
We hunger for man-flesh!
OLTL
If I want OLTL bashers to stay out of our threads, it's only fair to return the favor, so I won't comment on which show you ought to have been watching.
But today did have Kish and Kyle having it out, Nick merging into the election storyline, and Dorian announcing to DVTM that he's gay, so even a middling episode has strong points. And, of course, the debut of Llanview's Llanview Gay and Lesbian Alliance of Llanview. (Since there are no bisexuals in Llanview.)
Bisexuals in Llanview
Can't make the story too complicated for Middle America. Even I can get overwhelmed by the abundance of initials LGBTQxxxxxx, not to mention what order the letters go in. I've taken to just saying "not straight" most of the time. Seems to cover it all, and at times, it's fast to type.
Don't feel too bad for me - I have OLTL on the DVR for later. Of course, at this point, my DVR is almost overwhelming.
Since this is clearly an ATWT thread & NOT OLTL, I will say this
The boys at OLTL were good today. Want to share your opinions? Go to their liveblog and talk about them there, otherwise, I will give my opinions of ATWT here. Thank you.
First of all, I think Noah totally overreacted. He could have simply said something along the lines of "Not Okay" or "Uncomfortable", but once again the writers must insist on his being a spineless Luke-aholic for yet another storyline. I also don't think Noah and Mason have any chemistry, which also doesn't help Noah's overreaction.
NUKE and Mason were only on for six minutes today after not being on all week, so the screen time is getting crazy frustrating, but otherwise I am interested in seeing what will happen with the rewrites. They are suppossed to be on Wed and Thurs so hopefully they will pick up speed, but its amazing how I'm still getting whiplash from their having major problems and solving them in the same episode, yet this Mason storyline is moving at a ridiculously slow snails pace. Remember at the beginning of the year (Noah's letter and Luke's regret etc.) when they had such potential for the year, and then this summer when AE reported the addition of Mason and their potential? Now, here we are, nearing 2010! Come on ATWT, do better!
Kitty
http://www.saveiantojones.com/
My Post
The boys at OLTL were good today. Want to share your opinions? Go to their liveblog and talk about them there, otherwise, I will give my opinions of ATWT here. Thank you.
I was answering a question asked in the OP, that's all.
Oops, my bad
B/c you didn't say anything about ATWT or Y&R, I took your comments the wrong way. I assumed (and we all know what assuming does) you were one of those people who get on these threads, and say "OLTL is the best, ATWT sucks, you people are stupid to continue watching this show" blah blah blah. I was wrong. I see that you were responding to Ed, and I was not trying to "attack" you, so I'm sorry if it came off that way.
Kitty
http://www.saveiantojones.com/
Y&R
Ed, you did say at one point that these were also a place for discussing shows when the site isn't covering them, and I've been waiting AGES to be able to discuss Young and the Restless.
I'm not usually a fan of Billy, but I totally feel his anger the last few days. At one point, I had to chew a washcloth to avoid grinding my teeth while that skank Victoria was skipping around the hospital celebrating Colleen's death.
It's weird that they gave Sharon and Ashley the same due date, only to have them both give birth prematurely.
Please tell me Stacey Haiduk is coming back! If that's it for her, I'm sad (even though the payoff to that whole story was very, very overdue.)
We can branch out
We can branch out some - I got reminded we were covering gay men when DDB got way too big and I was missing deadlines because I covered everything, so i scaled back. I still watch Y&R daily.
I totally get Billy, and like another soap columnist said, the way he's acting, I should hate him, yet I really just want to bundle him up in my arms and hold him, because it's hurt he's acting from.
As for that skank Victoria, well, I've never liked her at all. Plus she's got my man, J.T., on the show and in real life. Plus, I don't see the point in this with where I know the story is going. It's really like they're trying to wipe the entire Carlton line from the show's existence.
We knew they were going there with Ashley and Sharon, it was so obvious. But as far as I know Stacey is done, and I think her arc got kind of screwed at the end, and got twisted to accomodate the changes in the Newman family happening now and soon.
On a side note, I'm having trouble remembering my Y&R history - on Bold & Beautiful, oldVictoria is sleeping with onlyBrad Carlton, and something in my brain is saying that it's just wrong having those two actors play a couple - can you remember why? I don't remember them being together, though Brad slept his way through Tracey, Ashley and Nikki, if memory serves.
Y&R
I'm sure there are readers who only want the "relevant" stuff, and those who want broader discussion, so the most logical compromise is probably to keep the actual DDB columns focused, and let the comments range afield as people are inclined.
I find I'm not so much angry with Victor (different rules apply to soap villains) as I am with people like Niki and victoria, who are theoretically likeable, normal people. Victoria acting like Billy's reaction aren't justified are what really stick in my craw (well, that and her revisionist take on their relationship, as if she hadn't been projecting her own infidelity onto Colleen the VERY LAST TIME they spoke to one another.)
I'm still watching Y&R religiously, but I'm more inclined to just go with the story flow without trying to master the copious backstory, than with OLTL, where I'm building up a pretty encyclopedic knowledge of the history.) Frankly, I don't even understand how all those Abbott-Carltons in the hospital room are related, let alone everyone's dating history.
One very subtle moment was Ashley's reaction to Billy's anti-Victor tirade. She didn't look upset, or defensive, or guilty for secretly agreeing with him. She just watched and listened very sympathetically. I choose to believe that's a glimpse of the real Ashley, free of Adam's manipulation, rather than Eileen Davidson phoning it in.
I was afraid for a day or two that we were going to be in for an extended Terry Schavo-style battle over turning off Colleen's machines, so I'm very relieved to dodge that bullet.
The story did make me wish I could still be an organ donor, but since I'm on the Red Cross' national faggot registry to block me from blood donation, I'm guessing I can't be an organ donor, etiher.
gawd this again!!!!
God, how lame is that
God, how lame is that Luke/Noah/Mason triangle? I really hope that it's over and done with since Noah and Mason dont have a hint of chemistry with each other. Can they please give the boys an interesting storyline? Even the Zack/Zoe evil twins storyline was better than this.
Well, there is no triangle
Because the moment Luke and Noah's hands touched for the first time in the summer of 2007 when Luke dropped a box of VHS tapes and Noah helped him pick them up, they were bonded body and soul for all eternity, and nothing - no man, creature actual or magical - can tear these two asunder.
So, a love triangle will never be in the cards for Luke and Noah. And that's the way they roll and love it over in the fandom called Nukedom, which for the rest of soapland translates to just plain boredom.
to be fair...
To be fair, not all Nuke fans feel that way. Not everything is the way it appears on a specific forum, or even on the internet in general.
I can sort of understand people's frustrations when Nuke are kept apart, though, because they haven't experienced the full range of being blissfully happy together and of being drawn apart. They're always in the middle. They're happy- but not quite. That's a frustrating place to be in.
Nuke has fizzled
Perhaps if Luke and Noah actually had sex, Noah would not react so strangely when a good-looking guy hits on him (Noah could slap his forehead and declare: "Oh that's right, gay guys actually have sex with guys). Luke's been so creepy of late that you'd think Noah would have said "why'd it take you so long to hit on me?" Noah is a college guy - a supposedly out and proud gay college guy who isn't married or engaged. He needs to cross show universes to take OLTL Christian's straight guy advice to Fish about Kyle "No ring... no strings." because that would at least make Noah seem like a real out gay college guy. Noah is written like he's been chemically castrated while all the straight characters jump all around to different love/sex/romance interests. Also someone please tell Forbes March that being stuck-up and being a gay film professor are not synonymous. Has he been to a film/mass communications department? You can't swing a camera without accidentally hitting a gay/bi/bi-curious guy and they aren't the stuck-up variety. :P
Since Reg is no longer around, I think Noah should go over to Mason's apartment. Have Mason answer the door and ask why he's there and have Noah blurt... "I'm a gay college guy and I haven't had sex with my rich psycho boyfriend who's driving me nuts. Help!" Have Noah and Mason tumble into bed together kissing and shedding clothes. Then cut to a scene of the afterglow in bed, Noah has his arm around Mason and have Noah's voiceover of his thoughts say "So that's what good sex is!" :P
It's been swell....
as I bid adieu to this website.
This site used to be a newsy site, devoted to the coverage of all GBT males in pop culture. But now it appears that no positive coverage or comments about Nuke are allowed, and those who make them are ridiculed and basically told to shut up. Nuke bashing is the national sport around here.
Yes, there are big problems over at ATWT, but I will not apologize for still loving these characters [and the actors who portray them] for giving me so much pleasure. And last time I looked, after over two years, ATWT is still giving us a positive portrait of two young gay men in love on a daytime soap. And if that is boring to some, then that is also a measure of progress. [And yes, they are having sex, even if it is offscreen.]
But I should have known this would happen when the leaders of this site relinquished the coverage of all things soap-related to someone who is unabashed in his hatred for Nuke [and esp of Noah] all over the Internet. He really should recuse himself from that portion of his non-exclusive column. [And for the record, this guy is no insider and has no information outside of what is available to the rest of us online. You've all been conned.]
Enjoy.
Sorry, you feel that way
I have learned to bite my tounge and take it all in stride to all the OLTL fans who bash us NUKE lovers. I will watch what goes on about these boys until ATWT gets taken off the air, which I hope is in the far far far future. I do admit, though, that I miss when Brian was here b/c while he was critical of ATWT, at least he made it fun when nothing was happening to the boys, and not such a downer. I have consistently stayed positive with the boys for two years, but I admit with other people's comments, they do get to you and I admit, the boys have not been at their best, as of late.
With that said, I AM NOT DRINKING THE OLTL Kool-Aid! I will NEVER come to this site to say "I'm done with ATWT". I came to AE b/c of them. If they didn't exist, I would have kept on not knowing that AE existed (hence my username LOAHLover007, it's a homage to them, when they were interchangeably called NUKE and LOAH).
Also, I have learned to ignore many of Anthony's comments. He is going to bash ATWT and more specificially Noah, no matter how many times we ask him to stop. There are dedicated fans out there (me being one of them) and instead of offering a non-biased or slightly non-biased view of the show, for months he consistently bashes them as if they were protrayed as drug-dealing prostitutes who stole candy from babies. Again, I have learned to simply bite my tounge. In fact, Anthony admits he gets bashed all the time from all the NUKE bashing that he does, but he still refuses to stop, and vainly sugar coats it with an "I'm trying to get them to do better" comment that usually has my eyes rolling.
So, people can say what they want, but I HATE having to hear about OLTL on the ATWT threads, but its pretty much unavoidable, unless the writers of the site start putting up disclaimers to only talk about that show. This is unlikely as OLTL/ATWT comparisons from haters and supports always seem to come into play at one time or another.
Lastly, you have to consider many (if not the majority) of the ATWT bashers were once ATWT fans. They didn't just watch a couple of episodes, thought it was stupid, then quit. They watched ATWT for months then had their hope pulled out from underneath them with the Ameera storyline that lasted for what seemed like an eternity. Hurt and unforgiving, they turned away and never looked back except for the occassional hateful word thrown at us believers.
Is ATWT the best show in the world right now? Probably not. Do we deserve all the bashing from the OLTL fans, GOOL, and everybody else, NO. In fact, in one OLTL liveblog about a month ago, I agreed with Ed who complained about the 10 times we would have to see Oliver come out and we got about 10 zero stars each! i think the OLTL people are brainwashed. It is a good show? Yeah. Do they deserve all the continuous unabashed love from the AE site and GOOL, no probably not, but that's what brainwashing does to you.
I, personally, am a fan of both shows, which is a rare breed on this site. And I guess after my 2 hour rant, I'm trying to say that the AE site is not perfect, but that's life. There are injustices in the world and even though you try to change them, sometimes the majority just will never see it your way (or leave you alone about it, no matter how hard you try to stay out of their way). All I can say is, give it time. Right now OLTL is all new and exciting, but how many gay people do you think they'll have in Llanview? They might hit the same rut as ATWT, and then the OLTL fans will have to eat their own words too.
Kitty
http://www.saveiantojones.com/
I'm gonna agree
I'm gonna agree with Kitty - I'm sorry you feel that way. I do love the boys, but I can't not call the show itself on bad casting (Forbes March is a fine actor, but he just doesn't have the chemistry with Noah), bad stories, and lazy dialog. Nuke were groundbreaking trailblazers, and I believe they deserve better than they're getting from the show.
I don't know if Jake's acting is on this level, or he's playing to the scripts, which present him as somewhat emotionally clueless - he may be playing it perfectly - he could be written as pretty and clueless. We know know that Luke's speeches complain he doesn't listen and act on his feelings, so that would be in line.
And I'm sorry - I'll stand behind my statements that Van knows this sucks and is hamming it up. He's done it in the past. The odd thing about Van is that you can tell he's a live theater actor first - he acts not as much on the script as a connection with the audience. And I think when he starts mugging like a mad man it's because he realizes how it reads.
And I'm not completely sold on OLTL, but I can't decide if it's something that just doesn't ring true, or the fact that my shields go up anytime fanboys (fangirls) latch on to something and start defending it beyond what it deserves. I think Kish has potential - but it's not as fully formed as some make it out to be. And part of the potential is the writer - he's an out gay man, so maybe he know how to write a gay story. But we're not there yet.
I'm willing to judge and critique on story and potential - like Kitty said, I've complained about Kish before and been shouted down for it. That doesn't phase me. What they've done to the First Gay Couple of Daytime does.
I feel exactly the same way
And I'm not completely sold on OLTL, but I can't decide if it's something that just doesn't ring true, or the fact that my shields go up anytime fanboys (fangirls) latch on to something and start defending it beyond what it deserves. I think Kish has potential - but it's not as fully formed as some make it out to be. And part of the potential is the writer - he's an out gay man, so maybe he know how to write a gay story. But we're not there yet.
I'm willing to judge and critique on story and potential - like Kitty said, I've complained about Kish before and been shouted down for it. That doesn't phase me. What they've done to the First Gay Couple of Daytime does.
Amen! I couldn't have said it better!
Kitty
http://www.saveiantojones.com/
Bashing or sharing?
At this point, I'm totally devoted to KISH (not even OLTL, only KISH) and I usually only read stuff on KISH and a few other shows I like, but it's very limited/selective. I didn't like the storylines for NUKE and I don't like Van Hansis' acting much. But then I have the same 'problem' with Denis Grabosch on AWZ and Jo Weil on VL. That's just my personal taste but I don't think that's bashing one show just for the fun of it. I'm sad that this seems to be the case on AE now, more and more. When I read an OLTL blog and someone comes in bashing OLTL, I'm not happy, but I usually don't react. I am not a fan of ATWT, but I don't want fans of NUKE to leave AE, because they feel bullied. That would even make me enjoy AE less.
I enjoy KISH a lot, but I can also be critical about it. I for one am not thrilled with the upcoming plot (no spoilers) and I've also been critical of Brett Claywell. And why not? On YouTube I 'criticized' Brett for being visibly very nervous in his intimate scenes with Scott Evans and Nicholas Rodriguez. I got a lot of thumbs down! But I love the guy! I'm obsessed even (I won't go into details! lol!), but it's possible to be critical.
Anyway, I hope this little war does not degenerate into something big. I really hope it won't. I for one, will try never to bash another soap/show, especially the ones I'm not actually watching. If I do, tell me!
One more thing, after not having watched any of ATWT in many many months, but reading bits about the Mason/Nuke triangle (you can't avoid reading about it here, even if you try - same thing with spoilers.. lol!), I decided to watch yesterday's clip and contrary to what many here had to say, I thought it was quite fun! I don't know the Mason guy, but watching him and Noah and then Noah's reaction when Mason told him he was cute and Noah running to Luke and Luke getting all protective - I liked it. I also liked Mason's reaction/answer.
Similar to José, I usually don't watch soaps at all and if I do, I only watch the gay plots on YouTube, but I'm happy with that. I want to enjoy and share it with other fans on AE. I hope everyone here can continue do that too.
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Would somebody hug OLIVER, already!?
But that's the problem
I for one, will try never to bash another soap/show, especially the ones I'm not actually watching.
Many OLTL fans come to these threads, just to say, THEY DON'T WATCH ATWT. Isn't that extremely stupid?! Do you know how many zero stars we would get, if we went on an OLTL thread, called it boring, and said we hadn't watched it in months? We would get so many "So why are you on this thread" comments than I care to even think about. AND YET THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME ON OUR ATWT THREADS! The bullying has gotten out of control, and it's taking its toll on me!
I decided to watch yesterday's clip and contrary to what many here had to say, I thought it was quite fun!
I for one, watch ATWT b/c I LOVE the show! It could have the worst dialouge of all 7 soaps, they could keep having these crazy father killer/twins killer/father dying storylines, and I will always come back for more!! My main complaint is that I don't see my boys often enough in these storylines due to lack of screentime. It's always fun to watch them, and I love doing it. Period. No matter what anyone else says, I will watch them til the very end!!! After all where else can you get "fishing trips from hell" and "knocking over candydishes"?! ATWT BABY! ATWT!
Kitty
http://www.saveiantojones.com/
So anyone who dares to
So anyone who dares to disagree with you must be brainwashed? Good to know.
And by the way, down the line, when the gay s/l writing on OLTL degenerates or fades into the background (as it inevitably will, these things are clearly cyclical) I would bet my meager fortune that there will be ample criticism here in the comments at AE. I guess the brainwashing will have worn off by then.
My Thoughts.....
All I can say is that I treat every show, every character, every actor with the same critical eye. Bias is unavoidable because everyone has them. But I try not to bring them to critiquing the shows. Two weeks ago I gave ATWT a lot of love because it deserved it. There are things about OLTL that I haven't liked and commented on and took heat for it. In fact, I enjoyed Friday's show, but I had issues with it that I have no doubt people will not agree with when they read my thoughts in the next GOOL. I can't not be honest because it'll ruffle a few feathers... that wouldn't make me very good at my job. I'll praise something and I'll put down something no matter who or what it is if that's what I think. But in the end, it's only my opinion and it can be dismissed as such.
It's all we can do
My opinion
I've never watched soaps before (i usually hate telenovelas) and at the begining it was only a funny way to improve my english. I only watch the gay stoylines so my opinion it's partial.
I could understand why people is frustrated with ATWT, but right now in this site is more a constant bashing that i can't understand. It's more like that stupid wars between idol fans, the fans of the two davids, or Adam and Kris, i always find that phenomenon (in spain is the same with some contestants of OT) ridiculous (specially in some cases when both contestants really like each other).
Nuke bashing start at the same moment that Y&R announce that they'll do their own gay storyline. Almost inmediately here appear post saying how good Y&R is and how bad ATWT. The truth is that Y&R gay storyline was hideous and a complete failure, but that's other story.
I watch both shows (well, both gay storylines), ATWT and OLTL, of course i don't care the same about Nuke than Kish, because i spend a lot more time watching Nuke videos than Kish, and i know a lot more about Van and Jake than about Brett and Scott. I don't have any problem to say that OLTL storyline is far better than ATWT right now. I wrote a lot of times my complaints about Nuke storylines, and nobody seems to feel bad about it, but everytime i wrote things that i don't like about Kish, i recieved bad ratings, and some people telling me that my opinion don't matter because i'm some kind of Nuke fan freak, And yes, I like OLTL storyline, but in my opinion is very far from being perfect, in fact i find Ollian storyline last year a lor more interesting (it's very sad how they use Christian and Ollie this year)
Right now if you read OLTL liveblog post, there's a lot of Nuke bashing, and if you read ATWT one, it's the same. And i'm sorry but i find that very boring. I can understand critics (and there's a lot to critic about ATWT) but from people who are interested in the show, because if you don't like it, i don't understand the need to post one time after another how boring the show is. I tried to watch Y&R, i posted my complaints, but when i quit of trying liking the show, i just quit about posting my opinion about a show that i don't watch.
And bashing the show could be ok, even bashing the characters, but the actors are not guilty of being used only as publicity. They show a lot of comitment with the characters, and that's not something you can watch too many times. There's a lot of actors that show some kind of discomfort everytime they are questioned about the gay characters they portray, and that's something i've never read about Van and Jake.
The truth is that both shows are in danger, and both could be out of screen in less than a year (i hope not). ATWT seems at least to try a last effort, and right now is working at least a bit. They aren't at the bottom in the ratings, and in the last month and a half the increased 300000 viewers. I think all the rewrite about Mason storyline (i recogniza that the storyline sucks) i think is a positive signal, because it seems that the new writers cares about Nuke, and they will try to use them the get better ratings. Well at least is what i want to think till november episodes say other way
I want to agree with
Give Anthony a great big hug!
Hey Anthony. I'm sorry they were so rough on you over on the As the World Turns thread. Your weekly column is excellent, and yes, it does generate some controversy, but so does all good writing. You might want to check out some of Jake Silberman's audition tapes that are all over the internet and I think you'll see he has far more range than he sometimes shows on ATWT. I agree that the OLTL storyline is well written and exciting (albeit somewhat stereotypical), and that the Nuke storyline has lagged of late. We should not lose sight of the fact however that we have two popular gay storylines to discuss, fight about, and be proud of.
So here's a great big hug. Keep up the good work.
alright, you know what i think???
i am fine if somone likes NUKE. Do i like them? not so much anymore. do they have potential? of course
i am also fine if people hate oliver and kyle or whatever
here is my damn deal: if it's an ATWT liveblog, we are there to discuss ATWT, **NOT** OLTL.....
same with the OLTL liveblogs...i dont know why that is sOoOO hard to understand. fine, like who you like, but if the show has nothing to do with whomever it is, then stay out of it
i dont care who people like. i only care when people start going on about a couple or a person or whatever when the thread has nothing to do with them
seriously, thats my beef with certain people. can someone tell me they please understand that? please?
Sorry, but that's completely unavoidable
Unless the writers give a disclaimer to discourage users from doing it, it's going to happen. As long as the OLTL fans bash ATWT in the OLTL forums, ATWT fans are going to stand up for and discuss ATWT in the OLTL forums, and vice versa. As you can see, this forum is littered with OLTL comments. We just have to suck it up cuz people have been complaining about this for forever, but with many fans of both shows (me being one, but I don't bring up OLTL in the ATWT threads and vice versa) it's just unavoidable.
Kitty
http://www.saveiantojones.com/
I wish this would happen, too
Like Kitty, I'm a fan of both shows. But I like to focus on each show at a time. I really don't like arguing over which is better.
I try not to react too emotionally about the things I read here, though. Somebody might post something that seems like a mean spirited attack on my favorite show, but maybe they're just venting frustration about a show they used to like too. I try not to take things as personal attacks. At the end of the day, these are just TV shows. It's harder when somebody insults an actor you like, because they are real people. But part of being a performer is opening yourself to criticism, and I know that anybody acting on tv is strong enough to handle it.
There's a way to curtail fan wars, but...
AfterElton is a general entertainment blog and not a fan forum devoted to any specific person, actor, character or show. That means both positive and negative commentary is allowed and encouraged. To devoted fans, negative remarks often comes across as "bashing" especially if the same core group of posters are seen to be making the bulk of those comments. OTOH, those who effusively praise something repeatedly are frequently dismissed by dissenters as having been brainwashed or "drunk the kool-aid". I think the reality of the situation is that many folks are fickle fans - something once regarded as "the best evah!" can just as easily become tomorrow's go-to punching bag. It has happened with ATWT, ATM, B&S and TW and is now happening to a certain extent with FL as well. However, ATM shows that one can also get back into the good graces of fans with strong writing and plotting.
There's a way to curtail fan wars on AfterElton but that would require AE staff to police the comment threads and enforce on-topic discussions by deleting all off-topic remarks, including those deemed likely to incite said fan wars. In other words, it's ok to say the current ATWT storyline bites (and hopefully give some reasons why, to stimulate reasonable discussion) but not ok to say the ATWT gay-triangle pales in comparison to the one on OLTL while posting in an ATWT thread. That would constitute "hijacking" the thread topic to talk about something else. A definite no-no if you want to avoid tit-for-tat fan hostilities.
In GOOL, it would be perfectly acceptable to compare shows whenever appropriate since it's a column that deals with all the shows in question, but even here, repeating the same tired criticisms over and over again should be discouraged. In real-life group discussions, it's generally considered polite to spend more time listening than speaking. When it's your turn to give an opinion, you say your piece as succinctly and honestly as possible then go back into respectful listening mode. Rarely is there the need to keep reiterating that same opinion; unless someone is deaf, everyone heard you the first time.
One thing that I will
Deniz Oueztuerk
Is a great example of how a character can be changed and redeemed. I didn't think it was possible, and I swore AWZ off for a long time, but thanks to Tom Chroust (and to the detriment of VL's Ollian), Deniz and Roman are fun to watch again because of changes implemented in the Deniz character and Roman as well.
Is this possible for Luke and Noah? Sure. But the show runners need to make it a priority to rescue Luke and Noah from complete irrelevancy before it's too late.
I've been coming to this
I've been coming to this site for a while now, but it seems to have turned into the OLTL fandom. It's like all the other SOAPS are pushed aside to elevate the Kish storyline. And I find that very disappointing. I love to read Anthony's column, but it's just too unbalanced with the over the top praise for OLTL. And I understand him saying when something happens good with Nuke and now FL, then he will give it kudos, but the fact that Kish NEVER get a negative review is so unrealistic. I've watched some of Kish and the acting of the two main actors does not deserve all the hype and praise they are getting. I mean, they were a 'super couple' before they were even a couple, that's how over the top things are. And they don't even have that great of a chemistry. But by all means show love for Kish, but not at the expense of near on all the other SOAPS, and especially the two... ATWT and FL...which both happen to still be very popular and with huge fan bases, even with all the bashing on this site from fans trying to elevate their latest favorite couple. Yes...fans are very fickle.
OLTL and AWZ are presently with major storylines, and I have no problem with that. Good for them, but why the need to distroy the other SOAPS to make the one you like appear better than what it is. I even read that on ATM the Deniz character made some subtle remark which everyone knew was referring to Ollian on FL as that happy but boring couple. Why was all that necessary from the writers? And i'm sure the actors enjoyed making that snide remark themselves. But it doesn't win you any favors. All I see is resentment and badly wanting some of that international attention Ollian have gotten over the past year and a half. And in my opinion...well deserved attention.
As much as I was disappointed with ATWT and stopped watching, they still have this very strong and devoted fanbase. Far more than kish ever will. And the same with DeRo, they may show more skin and tongue than Ollian, but Ollian still have a huge following even with nothing much going on but them being supportive. And nothing will convince me to like DeRo since i've tried but just don't like the couple no matter how good the acting maybe. It's just my preference. Ollian are my passion.
Regardless of how much fans bash on Nuke they will forever remain the pioneers for being the 'first gay teen love story' in US history. And Ollian will forever be that couple who have the most 'unabashed love story' in the history of SOAPS. Now we have the writers of Kish and DeRo claiming 'great' love stories for their gay couple. But in actual fact...Nuke and Ollian did it first and did it beautifully. The other SOAPS are just now playing catch up.
So I fully understand where Kitty, Goldi and others are coming from. I use to come to this site a lot more often before it turned into the OLTL 24/7 thumping ground.