"So You Think You Can Dance" Phoenix Auditions
We’re at the audition phase of So You Think You Can Dance, and we’re only watching because we were told there’s something we should cover tonight. After all, we haven’t forgotten the audition phase for last season and how the same-sex dancers were treated by Nigel Lythgoe and the show's other producers. Just yesterday it was announced the show's most front-and-center gay, Adam Shankman, was becoming a permanent judge. Hmm, given how enabling he was about the previous incident we're just a little skeptical. But since tonight's episode includes a same-sex couple were willing to give the new season a chance, because we’d love to cover the dancers, if the show doesn’t make it ethically impossible. We’re not off to a strong start when a couple of male poppers do a fun, but not very good routine. The guys are entertaining though, and when they asked how they met, one says that the other had dated his sister. Nigel quips “So did he leave your sister for you?” Charming. From someone else, harmless. From Nigel, something stinks, and even though the guys laugh it off, my frown fails to turn upside down.
One of them is not pleased at Nigel's implication. Willem de Vries and Jacob Jason are our same-sex couple this evening. They’ve known each other for many years, but actually danced next to each other in the SYTYCD Season 2 auditions. From there, they partnered up, went on to compete in the same-sex couples Latin dancing, and won the U.S. title followed by a gold medal.
Willem and Jacob don't pull any punches in the interview. The two men come flat out and say that most same-sex couples are afraid to come out and audition for shows like SYTYCD. Gee, I wonder why? They say they want the world to know that same sex-dancing exists and isn't something bizarre. All in all, it's pretty good so far, especially since he editing was the polar opposite of the hit job done last time. Willem and Jacob begin dancing. I'm not quite sure what to call the style – it’s partnered, but not an identifiable ballroom dance to my untrained eye. It’s really quite lovely though. While they’re dancing, Nigel begins talking about “great lines.” It's as if he can't wait to start praising them. Meanwhile, Mia is transfixed.
Their dancing was beautiful. Mia cries while Mary marvels. Now Jacob is crying and before the judges can speak, he says, “It’s great for young gay people to be able to express themselves, and that’s the dance that I think represents us the most.” Nigel defers to Mary, who gushes about how proud she is of them. They had great passion, great lines, great technique, etc. Interestingly, she doesn't seem to have any of the same issues she had the last time she saw a same-sex couple. Methinks Mary's world has broadened a little.
Mia is extremely emotional. Mia, who has been dying to speak, wipes waya a tear and says “I celebrate the courage that you guys have to just expose yourselves, your hearts, and you passion, and just who you are.” The big man with the bigger mouth has to talk now. “Thank you for showing me that same-sex ballroom dancing can be very strong and very good. You know I got myself into trouble last time saying I’d like you to dance with girls. I’d very much like you to do the choreography and see if there is any difference in how you handle that.” And I’d like to point out the gaping pauses between his words where Nigels tried not to put his foot in his mouth.
What are these "girls" of which you speak? Willem interjects “I’d like to point out that we both enjoy dancing with girls as well.” Which gets a rather surprised “Yeah? Yeah!” from Nigel. So they’re put through to choreography, and they are separated, and matched with female partners for Latin ballroom.
These "girls" are strange, magical creatures. They're partners are obviously a great match for their talents and they are both given tickets to Las Vegas for the next round. So the big question, I suppose, is did Nigel and the others learn anything from their last experience with a same-sex couple? There’s a cynical side to me that says if Nigel had chosen his words any more carefully, the show would have run two hours. And Mary went from “I don’t understand” to gushing. It’s a big leap in a matter of months. Mia seemed genuinely moved though. But if I let the cynic in me win all the time, I’d never get out of bed. I mean seriously, what’s the point? I’ll eventually die, right, so why even try? So I’ll take it at face value that they liked the dancers (who were truly good), and not that a little sensitivity training from GLAAD, plus repeated beatings by the AfterElton.com Flying Monkeys, went a long way in educating them. I’m even cautiously optimistic about what will happen when Willem and Jacob return. Now it's your turn! What did you think? Submitted by on Thu, 2009-09-17 06:13. |
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Judging the judges.

I Concur....
I have to admit I was a tad skeptical with Nigel's wording and how he was talking. Part of it was that he was trying not to insert foot into mouth...again. As for Mary, I think part of her confusion from last season's same sex couple audition was that the two men were switching back and forth in their routine. That is they were both leading and following at different times. Still.....the treatment last season was anything but stellar.
Willem and Jacob were damned good last night. I have to admit I hope they get more camera time in Vegas. Doubtful they will be doing any ballroom together for the rest of the season though. Hopefully they can prove themselves in Vegas. That is one hell of a demanding week for any dancer.
SYTYCD
Nigel doesn't like men dancing together in a ballroom style... I doubt many 60 year old men could wrap their heads around the concept. At least this time he focused on the dancing, which in my opinion was 50 times better than the last same sex pair that auditioned.
I was more happy that FOX didn't set up the audition with another camptastic disco song.
Let the dancing speak for itself!
If you like the guys
Go check out the latest Mores for Gays episode:
http://www.afterelton.com/blog/dennis/mores-gays-119-balliamos
Also they are the teachers of those gay celebrity(Chad Allen,Robert Gant & Candis Cayne,etc.) dance teaching episodes on OUT.com
http://out.com/showandtell/index.asp
I`ve been a fan for quite a while now ever since the first OUT.com webisode of them was out.
Mary Murphy
I didn't think Mary's comments were homophobic the last time. I actually agreed with her. Those dancers weren't very good, gay or not. These dancers were. That's the difference.
Mia Michaels is always very honest. Almost to a fault actually. She can be very critical of most the dancers, especially the cocky ones, but when she praises them I tend to agree with her.
Nigel is really the only person I would have doubts about but I'm not going to not watch a show with such fabulous dancers season after season because of one guy. If I did that I would have nothing to watch on tv.
I'll be cynical enough for both of us!
Knowledge?
I haven't seen the show, did he really say "You know I got myself into trouble last time saying I’d like you to dance with girls" Like this is the exact same couple as "last time?"
Being out is not "being an activist." It is being honest. Unfortunately it's such a rare commodity in this world that honesty often seems like activism.
Nigel seems to have realized something
"Willem and Jacob begin
"Willem and Jacob begin dancing. I'm not quite sure what to call the style – it’s partnered, but not an identifiable ballroom dance to my untrained eye. It’s really quite lovely though."
it's a rumba
And now I know
I think the quality of the performance made the difference
I appreciated the guys who auditioned last year, but let's face it: they weren't as good as they could've been. They switched roles back and forth, and they even fell over. The whole thing came across as awkward, which I think impacted the judges beliefs about two men dancing together; based on that audition, it would buttress their opinion. (Nigel, however, definitely did cross the line with a couple of his remarks.)
Last night's pair, however, were obviously VERY talented dancers, and clearly had their act together from the get-go. It didn't surprise me that Mia liked them--she's a cutting-edge kinda gal--but the fact that they won over Mary the ballroom taskmaster was a definite plus. Nigel may have just been in the "I'm going to try to keep an open mind" mindset to make up for last year, but he definitely seemed to be won over by their talent.
This is an interesting subject, because I know in the past I've gone to see theater or movies or bought a CD from an artist which I knew wasn't necessarily "A+" quality, or necessarily my kind of thing. However, I recognized early on (this was the 1980's) that it was important to spend my time and my entertainment dollars on openly gay artists and art, in the hope that they would keep kicking the doors open for others. I still sometimes have to stop and think, "Do I REALLY like this artist or movie, or am I just appreciative that they're 'out' and 'representing?'" But as time has gone on, we've seen more and more gay-themed art and artists being embraced by straights because it is unquestionably the best thing out there--and that can range from "Angels in America" to "Brokeback Mountain" to Matt Alber or Ari Gold to "Modern Family." We don't have to give gay-themed art a "pass" or an "A for effort" like we used to, because there's enough of it out there now that it should be able to stand on its own terms. Similarly, if one doesn't care for some kind of gay-themed art or an artist (yes, "Sordid Lives," I'm eyeing you), one shouldn't feel "obligated" to embrace or defend it the way we used to.
In summary: yes, last year the judges misspoke, and Nigel was inappropriate. However, maybe we defended those auditioners out of loyalty to their "representing" us, rather than their actual talent. This season, however, Willem and Jacob kicked ass and took names from the minute they stepped onto that stage, and they soared on pure, inarguable talent--talent so obvious, the judges instantly recognized it, and it blew away any potential reservations they might have had.
Is this an odd example of the "model minority" syndrome, where we have to be twice as good to be considered half as accepted? Maybe. But I'm damn proud to have Wilem and Jacob out there for "our team" this season, and hope they go very far.
To me it doesn't matter if