Is Ziro the Hutt from "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" a derogatory gay stereotype?
George Lucas offended racial minorities in The Phantom Menace with the Jar Jar Binks character. And now it looks like the upcoming CGI film The Clone Wars (which leads into a TV series on The Cartoon Network) is going to give us gays a chance to share that experience. One of the new characters introduced in Clone Wars is Ziro the Hutt (Jabba's uncle) who is, as MTV Movies' Shawn Alder put it, "a gay stereotype that makes what Jar Jar Binks represented to the island of Jamaica look subtle by comparison." Sadly, it sounds like the stereotyping is deliberate: So how did a character who wasn’t even supposed to speak English wind up sounding like that? Because George Lucas insisted on it, Clone Wars director Dave Filoni confessed. “Ziro, Jabba’s uncle, originally spoke in Hutt-ese, like Jabba and then he had a different sluggish voice just like Jabba, and then George one day was watching it and said ‘I want him to sound like Truman Capote.’ He actually said that and we were like ‘Wow!’ ” Filion revealed. “It’s a hybrid of it but the inspiration is definitely there on Capote. It’s one of those things that takes him from being an interesting character and I think really does put him over the top and does something. He’s a favorite among the crew here.”
Worse, Filoni says the character is probably asexual and, therefore, not gay. So, the closest the Star Wars films have gotten to having any gay characters is a villain meant to sound like an effeminate gay man ... so Clone Wars gets to play to homophobia without actually having any gay characters. My days as a Star Wars fan ended in 1999 when I saw The Phantom Menace. Honestly, I was a little bit tired of Star Wars by then; the hype was a little too inescapable for a little too long for me. I was hoping that seeing a really cool movie would rekindle my fondness for that "long ago" and "far away" world but that hope started fading the first time Jar Jar spoke with his stereotypical accent. I was offended by the stereotyping, but worse, they killed the wonder of Star Wars, where aliens previously felt like aliens and not characters based on a certain type of human. Does this news affect anyone's plans to see the movie? Was anyone planning on seeing it in the first place? Submitted by on Thu, 2008-08-14 12:54. |
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I've been looking for a video clip of Ziro to judge for myself with no success. Still, if Lucas directed the Clone Wars crew to base Ziro on Truman Capote, it's no surprise that the character is tripping some sensitivity meters. Based on the character biography found at 
Revenge of the Lucas
You know, after Phantom Menace came out I used to joke that Lucas had been listening to us all bitch for years about how there was no way he could have possibly come up with anything more annoying then the Ewoks. My joke was that Lucas took that as a challenge ("Oh they think I can't create something more annoying than Ewoks? Well I'll show them!") and the result was Jar-Jar Binks.
But that was hardly the only racist stereotype. I was there opening night, at midnight, for Phantom Menace and as soon as we saw the money-hungry Nimoudians and they spoke in a Japanese accent I cringed in my seat. This was going to be a very un-PC ride, that much I could tell.
So now I wonder if Lucas is spitefully reacting to long-standing complaints that there are no gay characters in the Star Wars universe at all (other than C3P0) and is once again picking up the gauntlet and slapping the detractors across the face with it.
I admit I'm kind of over Star Wars too. The prequel trilogy just sucked. It was more about Lucas showcasing just how far ILM's FX technology had advanced in two decades rather than showing off tight, well-written scripts. The story quality compared to the first trilogy was just shockingly bad, even with far better FX.
So I find myself a little surprised, but I have no desperate urge to see Clone Wars. After standing in absurd lines as a child decades ago, and showing up at midnight to see each of the prequels as they opened more recently, I find myself no really caring if I see this or not.
Don't forget the Arab!
Gay sensitivity
Perhaps we are being a bit too sensitive. Some of the humor is in seeing and experiencing opposite results of expectations. A really physically big character with a tiny voice. Also seeing a small or young character with a deep voice like the young boy in the original Our Gang comedies. The real question is does writer or author treat the character bad because of the sterotyping or what. If it is a cheap shot at humor, then it cheapens the artistic work. The public suffers. However, even gays have to admit shock the first time we heard Truman Capote open his mouth. What we admire about the man, Capote, was his mind, his writing ability etc. We ignored his voice and laughed at him in the mystery comedy he played in which made fun of famous myster writers or characters. Move on and get a better topic over which to attack someone. There is alot to complain about out there, this is rather minor.
i have a confession to make.
Almost agree Snicks
There was only one good Star Wars-- the very, very, absolute first one 31 years ago. (god I'm old)
I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.
They haven't aged well.
I went to see Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back (I wasn't going to torture myself with Return of the Jedi) when they were re-released in the mid-90s; I was shocked and saddened to discover they weren't all that great, certainly not as good as my childhood memories wanted to believe. I went to see the first and third of the prequel trilogy only because friends insisted; the first was just plain bad, at least the third was laughably bad. (I can't even remember the titles!)
Who wants to see a "Star Wars" styled after "Grand Theft Auto"?
The Stereotypes in the Prequals
didn't JUST start with Jar-Jar Binks. I mean the entire trilogy was layered with Asian overtones. Pasty a** white guys running around in kimono-like outfits doing martial arts with glow stick katanas with names like Qui Gon Chi (I mean really?), Princess Amidalla (sp?) looks like a rocked out Geisha and then we have the much despised Jar Jar, who is more of a victim in this whole ordeal if anything. Yet you didn't actually see too many Asians in the entire trilogy. So it doesn't surprise me that we have a slightly, if not, outright asexual gay stereotype in this movie. It was only a matter of time.
While I was never a huge fan of Star Wars (I grew up in a Star trek home), I did appreciate the raw enjoyability of the original trilogy and watched the prequel trilogy hoping the find that same joy that I'd experience as a young child, but now I wince, if not breakdown and cry when I hear another game, movie or television series is being conceived of for the Star Wars franchise.
So here is my plea to Mr. Lucas: You don't have to work anymore, so stop. Please. For the love of God, Jedi and the Force. Stop.
Surprising...I think not.
Considering how poorly imitated some minorities were in Lucas' second trilogy is it surprising that he would consciously make a choice to have a character mimic Truman Capote. Whose speaking voice has become synonymous with the gay male stereotype. The writing in the second trilogy was atrocious and has anyone seen the latest installment of the Indiana Jones franchise. Maybe George Lucas should leave the script writing to someone else.
I'll never forget watching
Would it kill them...
Would it kill them to have a gay HERO in one goddamn episode of Star Wars? Jesus.
Get some fucking balls Hollywood!
Lucas and his Jedi mind tricks
I was a Star Wars fan untii, like many others, the prequels arrived. But those first three (yes... even JEDI) captured my imagination and got me hooked on robots, Jedis, wookies... and Han Solo!
I think what's happened is that a large part of his original fan base became blinded by the original trilogy and became worshiping Lucas as some sort of King (or heaven forbid, a God). And now all these years later, all these disciples are still continuing to preach and get the next generation into it, creating a never ending cycle. In other words, we're never going to see it fade. At least not for a looooong, looooong time.
From what I can remember the Hutts were all notorious and dangerous crime lords. The idea that one is a dandy of sorts doesn't bother me, but the voice of Truman Capote? There is just a disconnect there because you are lead to believe creatures like Ziro and Jabba naturally have these amazing billowing and croaking voices. It just seems a natural fit for such a large creature that is mostly all mouth and gut. Certainly, Ziro could have a softer demeanor or even speak with a more eccentric voice, but to copy such a well-known celebrity is a bit ridiculous. (...and yes, perhaps even shameful)
I don't think we'll ever see gays in the SW universe either. I think we'll have to leave it to our own imaginations that they're there someplace. Perhaps on some distant circuit party planet, dancing under a giant disco ball Death Star.
This is one (str8) man's fantasy world and when he's calling the shots, he's going to make things that he wants to see. Maybe one day, one of his kids or his grandkids will wake-up and take the responsibility of bringing honor and dignity back to this franchise. But I'm not holding my breath! I'll just hang on to my old Han Solo posters and action figures and be happy with that.
Lyle made a great point though
Part of what was cool about the original trilogy was the fact that the aliens were alien! They almost never spoke English and their voices and mannerisms were not identifiably aligned with any real world human grounds.
At the time this was very innovative, especially relative to Star Trek where the aliens usually looked pretty human and spoke English. It allowed for greater immersion into the idea that this was another galaxy filled with alien being.
I don't know what happened to Lucas as he aged but the second trilogy was instead filled with blatant attempts to make the aliens not only sound more human, but sound like specific human stereotypes. Hence Jar-Jar sounded Jamaican, Watto sounded like an Arab and the Nimoudians sounded like the Japanese. Now instead of forcing American audiences to read subtitles these aliens spoke English with recognizable accents.
It really detracted from the experience and also gave hints to possible racism on Lucas's part. Now he's adding gay stereotypes to the mix. The Hutts are non-humanoid and Jabba neither spoke English nor used a recognizable accent. He had a booming voice you would expect from a ccreature with large lung capacity. To make his uncle sound like Truman Capote (and purple from the look of things) seemingly serves no purpose except to play with stereotypes again. All in all not pretty.
Kids will be opened to
Kids will be opened to his comical appeal. I think it’s a good, healthy character to have. It was hilarious, and he thought that there will be kids out there being opened to the extreme diversity that Ziro offers makes me more happy about his existence than if there would have been no gay representation at all. It opens a new generation up to the old queens of the world, and I love it.
Ziro was great. A funny, fantastic character.
I'm gay, and for he first time since Obi-wan Kenobi walked on screen, I felt represented in the Star Wars universe.
Probably should have seen it before you bashed it.
1999 ended it for a lot
1999 ended it for a lot of the old Star Wars fans, but you all have to remember it was for CHILDREN of a different generation. ---A generation that doesn’t think anything like the older fans.
I was 10 when TPM came out, and I loved it. It was perfect for me in that moment. The hype was absolutely there. I had just seen all the Special Editions in the theaters and stuff was COOL!
I hope that kids get to experience the same kind of fun with the new Clone Wars series.
It has been and always will be for kids. We all just kid ourselves. XD
I got tix earlier this week...
I definitely think the prequel era really mines the 'Ming the Merciless' pulp trope where stereotypes are applied to characters technically not black or Asian or gay or whatnot. I still would classify Obi and Qui-gon as being more 'gay' (some goodbye caress) than this slug but he does have the sort of coding that suggests he's the quintessential queer noir figure- the voice, the female Twilek dancing girl shoved so far back she's just a silhouette.
Oh and there's this: http://ccevideo.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/ah-hathere-is-a-gay-character-in-the-star-wars-universe/