Dangerous Minds: Ten kickass women from Sci-Fi TV who don't need no laser guns, magic or fisticuffs Recently snicks gave us a list of Our Favorite Action and Fantasy Heroines and that list, combined with a catch-up marathon of Battlestar Galatica, got me thinking of women who are strong and formidable because of their intellects. Strong warrior women have a major presence in the gallery of gay icons, but we also love the women who outsmart the obstacles in their path. Since tonight marks the Battlestar Galatica midseason finale (and the last we'll see of President Roslin until 2009) here are some of sci-fi's smartest and most admirable women. Mary McDonnell as President Laura Roslin Easily one of the most formidable minds in sci-fi TV is the woman left to keep humanity alive as it faces extinction after 42 people ahead of her for the presidency were killed in the holocaust. Initially she faced an army (almost literally) of skeptics who dismissed her as just a "school teacher" never meant to lead the twelve colonies. However, she quickly proved herself as a woman dangerous to underestimate, especially when she faced down a military insurrection led by Bill Adama. As played by Mary McDonnell, Roslin is someone whose mind is clearly always at work. Amanda Pays as Theora Jones Max Headroom gave us Theora Jones, who worked as reporter Edison Carter's controller, providing him with information as he questioned subjects and ventured into dangerous territory. Many times, Edison would have been toast if not for Theora's knack for quick research. Catherine Tate as Donna Noble With smart women like Martha Jones and Sarah Jane Smith, its hard to not make this list heavy on Doctor Who companions. However, Donna stands out for the way her first meeting with The Doctor transformed her. In her first appearance, she came off as intellectually lazy and demanding. However, she's also the first person (since the series was revived, at least) to work with The Doctor and have the insight to find his awesome powers to be something to inspire fear. She also became a stronger person all alone, turning into an investigator in order to reconnect with The Doctor. She's challenged The Doctor and his impulses from her earliest travels with him, contributing to the action instead of deferring to him. Lisa Hayes For a lot of gay geeks who grew up in the 80's the animated serial Robotech was our afternoon soap. Not only did Robotech cheesily mix sci-fi and romance (how can you beat a story where aliens invade earth and are literally defeated by a love song?), it gave us plenty of strong women who succeeding by dismissing societal expectations. As the first officer of the SDF-1, Lisa's quick thinking saved the ship on several occasions and her tactical mind helped the ship's fighter pilots turn away various attacks. Kristen Chenoweth as Olive Snook While Ned, Chuck and Emerson go about trying to solve various murders, The Pie Hole's waitress Olive Snook solves the mystery of what those three are up to all on her own, discovers Chuck's family and realizes that she's officially dead. Olive is a sharp interrogator, often forcing Ned and Chuck to change the subject to avoid her questions. As hard as it would be to believe, I wouldn't be surprised if she figures out Ned's secret soon enough. Greyson Hall as Julia Hoffman There was one person in Collinwood who vampire Barnabas Collins trusted with his full secrets: psychologist Julia Hoffman. Julia worked with Barnabas trying to find a cure for his vamprism, initially treating him as a dangerous rival who was ready to murder anyone who knew his secret. In time, however, she turned out to be in important ally as Barnabas fought the various schemes of Angelique. Salli Richardson-Whitfield as Dr. Alison Blake > As the head of Global Dynamics, Alison has to be smart enough to manage some of the country's greatest scientific innovators, speaking their language while also balancing that logical expertise with an empathic and practical knowledge that scientific minds sometimes miss. Meera Syal as Miranda Calendar When private investigator Miranda Calendar is asked to look into an unexpectedly intriguing case of a suddenly absent husband, she is offered a significant bribe to give up the case, something that make the case even more irresistible to her. She uncovers the conspiracy to take advantage of Tom Jackman's transformation into Mr. Hyde and manages to hold her own against the dangerous organization, setting up safeguards for her own safety and her pregnant partner. Caroline Dhavernas as Jaye Tyler When underachiever Jaye Tyler is kicked out of her rut by talking animal totems, she turns her mind from snarky retorts to helping people get out of bad situations. As much as she feels helpless in regards to the voices of the animals, they actually empower her quite a bit feeding her with information only she can her ... because she will listen and understand. Gates McFadden as Dr. Beverly Crusher It's hard to take a look at the smart women of sci-fi TV without mentioning the woman who helped to start the ball rolling for smart women put in positions of command. As the Enterprise's Cheif Medical Officer, Captain Jean-Lu Picard frequently turned to her expertise in his decisions and Crusher even took command of the Enterprise for a short stint. Submitted by on Fri, 2008-06-13 15:30. |
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And they can dance
Wait a minute...
...where's the love for Capt. Janeway?
janeway
Voyager was my favourite Star Trek series
Thanks
For including Gates McFadden as Doctor Crusher, my favorite trek character and often over looked.
Brandon
www.brandonshea.com
Great List
Great List and ditto what Brandon said. Love Gates McFadden and was pleasantly surprised to see her make the list.
You've given me some new shows to investigate, thanks!
Two names that I question being missing from the list however:
1) Toshiko Sato, Torchwood and 2) Dana Scully, The X-Files.
You know it!
Me too! She's the best. I love her.
Remember Me - "If there's nothing wrong with me, . . . maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"
Ethics - "I am delighted that Worf is going to recover. You gambled; he won. Not all of your patients are so lucky. You scare me, Doctor. You risk your patients' lives and justify it in the name of research. Genuine research takes time. Sometimes a lifetime of painstaking, detailed work in order to get any results. Not for you. You take short cuts. Right through living tissue. You put your research ahead of your patients' lives. And, as far as I'm concerned, that's a violation of our most sacred trust. I'm sure your work will be hailed as a stunning breakthrough. Enjoy your laurels, Doctor. I'm not sure I could."
Starbuck!
Agree that Captain Janeway needs to be included. I'd also add Starbuck from Battlestar Gallactica (Katie Sackoff). In terms of actual body count (Cylon and human), she has kicked some serious ass!
Eureka!
Dr. Alison Blake - class act, but then there's just something about that entire show that I really like. I can never put my finger on it, but I find it thoughroughly amuzing and entertaining, even if nobody I know does. And I was incredibly amused last night seeing Colin Furgeson dolled up in 70's stach on Swingtown.
The rest, to me are OK, with the exceptions (prepares to duck tomatos) of Catherine Tate on Doctor Who. I'll get crucified for this, but she may end up being the cause of me to stop watching Dr. Who after years of loving it. I don't find her strong, challenging, or intelligent. I find her emotional, whiny, manipulative and completely outmatched by every circumstance. Fanboys will kill me, but easily worst Companion, ever, IMHO.
Eureka
Check out Eureka!
It's been my favorite fun summer series for a couple of years now, and I'm really looking forward to Season 3 starting in July. The storylines are generally interesting, and it's a refreshing change of pace to watch a show set in a town of geniuses (as opposed to the morons that populate some other scripted shows and MOST of the reality shows.)
And then there's the hotness of Ed Quinn as Nathan Stark,
and Colin Ferguson as Sheriff Jack Carter.
Even cute nerd Fargo, played by Neil Grayston
showed a nice hairy chest when he required CPR in an episode last season.
The show is also pretty good about inclusiveness - in addition to Salli Richardson, Joe Morton plays the former Mayor and all-around problem solver Henry Deacon, and there's also a tertiary gay character who runs the diner in town, so there's potential for more gay inclusiveness. The cast also includes Matt Frewer, the former Max Headroom - how can you go wrong?
Nathan
Really? I obviously realized he was handsome, distinguished, and more than a little bit sexy - I had no idea he was...imposing. I'll have to pay more attention to him - normally I'm fascinated by Colin's goofy charisma, but I do love a big, tall, strong man.
The show does feature a gay man in the cast - the cafe owner in town who can produce any dish. Not precisely eye candy, and maybe not a major character, but in a way he is, since most of the town centers on one of three locations, Global Dynamics HQ, the sheriff's home, and the cafe. He may be there to give the other characters a pivot point in their stories, but at least he's always there. Not exactly leading man looks (OK, nothing like leading man looks on him), but it's the kind of character we say we appreciate it, in that he doesn't have to be gay in the first place, he just is.
Let me make sure I understand you
are you perhaps saying you don't find the cafe owner attractive?
because that wasn't clear.
www.thebittersuite.blogspot.com
OK, I was being shallow
Not Colin Ferguson
Please read the subject line
No, Janeway and Starbuck do not belong on this list. Please re-read the title of the article. This list exists to point out women characters who are tough because they're smart, not violent. Don't get me wrong, I love Kira, Ripley, and Sarah Connor, but they're not exactly admired for their for their intellects.
Janeway definitely belongs on the list
Yes, but . . .
Please rewatch the scene in "Macrocosm" when she strips down to her tank top, loads up a backpack with supplies, straps a dagger to her hip, and arms up with a phaser rifle. This is pure Sigourney-Weaver-Linda-Hamilton butchness.
Contrast this to Crusher, who memorably fired her phaser entirely three times -- against Admiral Quinn in "Conspiracy", Jo'Bril in "Suspicions", and Ronin in "Sub Rosa".
Re-read the subtitle: ". . . don't need no laser guns, magic or fisticuffs". Janeway is a great character, but she is equal parts compassion, intellect, *and* machisma. So, again, she does not belong on this list.
Yes, but...Beverly Crusher DID use a weapon all the time...
That ratty blue bathrobe that she wore in every episode. It blinded villains with its tackiness.
Sorry..I'm strictly a Dr. Pulaski guy
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Janeway uses brain more often than brawn
In reflecting over the entire series, I believe Janeway has resorted more often to outwitting her adversaries than overpowering them with force.
If you're going to insist on adhering strictly to the wording of the article's subtitle, then Beverly Crusher should be disqualified as well since, as you've pointed out, she clearly resorted to violence (the phaser) to take out Admiral Quinn, after Worf, Riker and Laforge all failed in their attempts. She definitely needed the laser gun in that case, didn't she? No time to outsmart Quinn or reason with him.
For that matter, Donna Noble shouldn't be on the list either since she was the one in season 4 episode 2 (The Fires of Pompeii) who was arguably more responsible than The Doctor for triggering the eruption of Vesuvius. According to the Doctor, that's a force equivalent to 24 nuclear bombs and nothing in its vicinity can survive. Both the people of Pompeii and the remnants of the Pyrovilian race are obliterated. A bit more potent than laser guns, magic or fisticuffs, don't you think?
Of course BSG's Laura Roslin doesn't need to use weapons or engage in brawling. She's the president of what's left of the human race and can order others to do the dirty work for her. She did this with increasing frequency as the series went along.
Stargate...
I would add Samantha Carter from Stargate SG:1 and Stargate: Atlantis.
I mean she is a soldier and uses weapons, but first she's a scientist and one of the smartest people in the galaxy. And she mostly saves the day by science and not by violence.
Sorry, no. Sam pulls a gun
Sam is still more geek than Rambo
There were definitely some episodes in which Sam spent more time brandishing her P90 than trying to figure out some Ancient tech, but overall, in the entire series of SG-1, I believe she has been portrayed as using her brain more often than her combat prowess.
Great Intelligent Female Characters
You're right, Samantha Carter from Stargate definitely belongs on the list, especially since she always thinks things through before taking action.
I think the characters of Donna Noble and Martha Jones are really refreshing because they don't defer to The Doctor; they stand alone as personalities. His earlier companions were often ornaments or fauning sidekicks. Donna and Martha break that cycle which makes them unpredictable and just as adventuresome. I thought it was hilarious on the last Doctor Who episode when The Doctor says he needs a shock so Donna kisses him full-on and he so does not expect for her to do that, that it turns out enough of a jolt to save his life.
One great intelligent female character missing from the list is definitely: Renee Montoya. Renee Montoya was initially conceived as a police detective from the Gotham City Police Department, assigned to the Major Crimes Unit who came into frequent contact with the masked vigilante, Batman. Over the course of her comic book history, the character was outed as a lesbian (among few in comics) and later resigned from the police force, disgusted by its corruption. After being trained by the first man to bear the name, Renee now defends Gotham as the superhero known as the Question.
what about Delenn of babylon
Babylon 5 is s (sadly) usually overlooked
I agree wholeheartedly about Delenn. Mind you, she did have some kick-ass moments but overall her character was the consumate diplomat/priestess rather than being a warrior like Ivanova or a borderline superheroine like Lyta.
Delenn was a great character in that she was one of the foci of epic events and yet had learned the hard way that mistakes can have horrific consequences (the Earth-Minbari War for example). I also loved how she was often the voice of reason to everyone, especially to the more mercurial Sheriden. But when she turned stern she simply oozed authority.
One of the best examples was in the Minbari Civil War where she faced the leader of the Warrior Caste under the Starfire Wheel where it was basically a question of whichever person can endure the agony longest is the victor. No fighting, just a test of will and endurance and willingness to face death for one's ideals. To me that embodies Delenn as a character.
But sadly B5 rarely gets the respect it deserves. A lot of people felt that the overarching story arc made it hard to join in mid-series and feel for what was going on. This was a sharp contrast to Star Trek: Voyager where continuity could get flung out the window at the slightest whim of the writers. Also a lot of people disliked B5's less-idealized human future and the politics it entailed. But hey, at least they have same-sex marriage in that future! Star Trek never even had truly openly-gay characters or even a real discussion of homosexuality in a human context, for all the utopian ideals it preaches.
"if you value your lifes BE
"if you value your lifes BE somewhere else" ;-) yes, she absolutely could kick ass if she chose to.
I know Ivanova doesn't quite fit into this category - but I would like to root for her, too. And not because she was (at least) bisexual - rather because of how the writers treated her character. She wasn't reduced to "woman is soldier, therefore must be much tougher than all the men and that must be enough for this character". She was tough because of all her experience as a soldier, she wasn't much into diplomacy because of personal flaws, she got in (and out of) trouble all by herself , she was quick-witted with a dry sense of humor, the other characters and the writers poked fun at her in a gender-unrelated way- all that wasn't common pre-buffy.
Ivanova
Yes, she was definitely a three dimensional character. I especially liked the episode where she sat shiva for her father. That was a really great episode and a departure from her "tough gal" image. And yes, her sense of humor was also really funny. Such a pity things didn't work out with Talia...
But for the purposes of this list I think she's ruled out since she was primarily a soldier.
Lyta was also good, although she was starting to go a little Jean Grey/Phoenix on us at the end. It's such a pity that they never really extended into the Telepath War and what really went on.
Babylon 5 as a whole did a really good job with their female characters. They ran the gamut of personality types and weren't at all stereotypical.
Delenn was a veritable goddess, I adored her so much! She also got in some good humor too. I remember a monologue she did sitting next to Sheriden who was engrossed in battle plans. She was talking about how she'd been told that he was "cranky". No recognizing the word she looked it and found it meant "crotchety", which she had to look up as well. So she starts going on about how no human word has it's own meaning, you have to keep looking up word after word without end. It was very funny delivery.
Sorry, I'll stop geeking out now.
That's one of my favorite
I was totally obsessed with B5 in the mid-90s
The Minbari were my favourite alien race in the B5 universe with Lennier and Delenn topping the list of my favourite characters.
I was so obsessed with B5 that I somehow even managed to get another B5 fan in the U.S. - someone I only got to know via a B5 fan forum on a single-line BBS (pre-WWW) - to dub videotape recordings of the first 3 PTEN seasons onto blank tapes for me. She even edited out all the commercials using just VCRs (this was before the advent of easy home editing with computers and DVRs).
When I got the tapes via a mutual acquaintance who "smuggled" this contraband across the border for me <g>, I watched all the episodes in a 2-3 day marathon, only taking time out for the occasional nap, snack and bathroom break. Oh yeah, I might have had to go to work for a few hours during that period too. ;-)
The Joys of B5
Anyone remember Ivanova's "sex dance" for the Lumati ambassador?
Time to break out the DVD's. B5 was so under-appreciated for how good it was. It's sad that one of the things it gets the most criticism for is having too tightly woven a storyline.
As for Delenn, your votes: Minbari Delenn or Minbari/Human Delenn?