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20/20 on gay PDAs: The Good, the Bad, and the 911 Calls

Friday night's edition of ABC's 20/20 was one of their periodic "What Would You Do?" specials that presents average Americans reacting to different scenarios such as "You see a small child being berated and smacked around by their parents. What would you do?" or "You see a certain Democratic presidential nominee refusing to give up their ill-fated run for the White House. What would you do?" (The answer to the second is scream obscenities every time you see them on the television and pull out all of your hair.)

This time 20/20 explored what folks in Birmingham, Alabma and Verona, New Jersey would do if they saw gay couples engaging in public displays of affection. The answers ran the gamut, as did the quality of ABC's reporting. The segment got off to a rocky start as correspondent John Quiñones ridiculously intoned in the opening that you can "hardly turn on the TV anymore without seeing gay couples engaging in kissing." Oh, puh-leeze. I don't know what network John is watching, but I'd like to find out as my cable provider sure as heck isn't getting those channels.

Next up, the segment has Kaolin and James, a young gay couple (who are actors, but also happen to be boyfriends which I thought was cool of ABC to disclose) engaging in a very tame display of public display of affection. The repsonse? Glares, one comment from a man passing by to "f***ing get a room" and, believe it or not, a call to 911.

Operator: "Birmingham Police operator 9283"
Caller: "We have a couple of men sitting out on the bench that have been kissing and drooling all over each other for the past hour or so. It's not against the law, right?"
Operator: "Not to the best of my knowledge it's not."
Caller: "So there's no complaint I could make or have?"
Operator: "I imagine you could complain if you like ma'am. We can always send an officer down there."

Then the operator actually dispatches an officer who confronts the two men. Pardon my French, but "What the f***?" If the operator knew the two men weren't breaking the law, then what exactly was she doing dispatching the officer in the first place? Can yoy say intimidation? It gets better though. In the middle of the officer's confronting Kaolin and James, he gets a call on the radio telling him the city and police department have signed off on 20/20's experiment. But before the officer leaves he still admonishes the couple to stop what the perfectly legal thing they were doing.

Quiñones attempts to ask the officer about what just happened, but he won't respond and leaves. And that's where ABC leaves that. Imagine the reaction if any other minority couple were told to stop engaging in a PDA, yet a police officer told them to knock it off. I find it hard to believe that ABC would just let that go.

The rest of the segment is fairly optimistic after that (though there are still plenty of homophobes like the woman below who sanctimoniously goes on about how a lesbian couple kissing on the same bench won't be going to Heaven and how disgusting it all is.)

ABC reports that not only did they find most folks were fine with the gay PDA, but whether they conducted the experiment in "red" Alabama or "blue" New Jersey, ABC pretty much found the same reaction across the board. I certainly will say it was nice to see such a wide-range of folks being so accepting. It sure beat last year's segment about gay tolerance filmed in Las Vegas which included a man talking about how he misses the good old days when you could just get a gun and "put down" gay folks. I kid you not.

Watch the whole clip after the jump!


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j U d E's picture

I have to wonder..

I mentioned this on another board, but I am wondering - if this was so offensive to the lady, WHY did she watch them AN HOUR before calling 911? Mind you, I'm not saying she should have called 911 earlier (calling not at all, would have been the correct thing to do), but why wait so long? I'm sure she actually liked watching two hot guys kissing!! *ROTFL* 

R.I.P. - Heath Ledger [1979 - 2008]

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Lee's picture

I missed part of this

Thank you for posting this, Michael.  I planned to watch the segment, but tuned in too late and only caught the end of it.

Curious that they didn't have the guys in Jersey, just the women.  We already know that gay women are more palatable (no pun intended) to society than gay men are.

How ABC can do so well in some programming and suck with news confounds me.  

 

Matty's picture

911

Wow I can't believe that someone called 911 and that the cop actually went. That is insane.

Thanks for the great article :)

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Jay's picture

That was just sooo cool. :D

That was just sooo cool. :D I hope they do a little study like this in the UK!
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netogeno's picture

Actually

I take offense a lot more to the 911 dispatch. Isnt she trained to discern between life or death situations or legal o illegal? She ovbiouslly knows nothing illegal happend and yet she sends a cop. The cop just goes where he is told. But still I was amazed when I saw it.

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Psionycx's picture

911 Abuse

Actually, I thought that you weren't supposed to call 911 for frivolous complaints. The very fact that the dispatcher didn't reprimand the caller for tying up a 911 responder on a non-criminal matter, and then went on to dispatch an officer is plain enough evidence of just how much bigotry there really is in the police department there.

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Christie Keith's picture

Oh Michael....

"You see a certain Democratic presidential nominee refusing to give up their ill-fated run for the White House. What would you do?" (The answer to the second is scream obscenities every time you see them on the television and pull out all of your hair.)

I already loved you, but now my love for you is so huge that it reaches all the way around the planet and meets itself on the other side.

But didn't you get the memo that the gays don't support that other guy?

In other news:

Guillermo Serritiello's picture

I hope no crimes were being committed in other areas of the city

And think folks.... I don't think that May Sweeps had begun yet..... I can guarantee that your nightly news and at least one these news amgazines will have some gay-baiting on the agenda. Great for ratings...

At the risk of sounding like a stereotypical straight man, that woman just needs to get f'd. Of course not before she releases a Ameera-like mane of hair that she must be hiding under that bun and eases up on the rouge. I am calling the fashion police.

As far as John Quinognes is concerned, I'd say that the number gay men kissing is as high as his TVQ. Poor suckers. Hot bfs though.....

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octobercountry's picture

20/20 piece

I had previously posted the following on another thread, but I'll repost here where you've dedicated more space to this television segment: ================================================

Watching clips like this do make me feel a bit uneasy, because you just know that there are going to be some completely moronic, hateful, homophobic remarks made by total idiots. Being somewhat of a hermit, I don't come across people like this on a daily basis, but I know the world is full of them, and it's rather upsetting...

I would very much take exception to the show's initial assertion, however, that television programming is full of depictions of gay people. That is not the case, by a long shot!

Truth be told, being rather reserved myself, I'm not all that big on PDAs in the first place. I don't mind people showing affection, but heck, I'm not all that interested in seeing people (gay or straight) make out while sitting on a park bench. (Oh, okay, I don't mind it so much when it comes to same-sex make-outs----ha!) Perhaps 20/20 should have done a test first, to see how passers-by reacted to a straight couple making out. And then compared that to the two gay couples. (The bit showing a straight couple making out in the restaurant was not at all equivalent to a couple kissing outdoors on a bench near a busy sidewalk.)

Sigh... it's all so ridiculous---like that woman calling the police, for goodness sake. Insanity; a lot of people really are idiots. But then, when I'm feeling discouraged about the state of the world, I see someone like that completely delightful woman who came up to the guys and was so very outgoing and friendly toward them. Now, if more people behaved in that manner, what a wonderful world it would be, eh? Really, she was too sweet for words. (In an odd way, she reminded me of Dianne Wiest, with a bit of that woman who plays Carly on ATWT thrown in!)

I'm like a superhero, with no powers or motivation...

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Bobbyjoe's picture

Here's NOT Looking At You, 20/20.

Yeah, about ten years ago I used to live near Birmingham. I was walking with my boyfriend in one of the actually more progressive parts of the city (in fact, I think it's very near the place shown in the ABC video). We weren't holding hands, kissing, or any PDA, but we were obviously together. Got stopped by one of the fine members of the Birmingham police. He demanded to see our I.D.s; wouldn't say why. Made us stand and wait for a long, long time while he just stood there and glared at us. Never explained what was up.

I don't know how much things have changed there in the last decade, but I'm guessing there's a whole lot more to dig into should ABC want to do so. But then I remember, hey, this is 20/20 and ABC News we're talking about here. I guess we're just lucky that it wasn't another segment where 20/20 took their usual approach to gay issues and, like, gave Matthew Shepard's killers twenty more minutes of free airtime to justify what they'd done while playing ominous music over pictures of Matthew and playing "blame the victim"' cause he might have liked to party sometimes.

20/20 ought to have a "What Would You Do" segment that goes something like this: "What would you do if you encountered a television news show that exploited the murder of a young gay man in the most vile, sickening and exploitative way possible?" They could interview me. My response would be "Write their advertisers and explain my disgust. [Which I did, at the time] Then, never watch that show again. Ever. Under any circumstances."
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Liz's picture

haha, amusing....

this doesn't surprise me one bit. i wish i was shocked, but i'm not. it amuses me, only because it's so damn stupid..

after all, gay PDA is just as bad as kidnapping a child in broad daylight. i think she had every right to call 911....

tsk

mikemgmve's picture

Some other points of interest?

During the opening bit, with the "gay kissing is ALLL OVER TV!!!11" line, one of the examples was the ad that really promoted gay acceptance and good visibility - the Superbowl Snickers ad!!! Way to go ABC!!!!

Also, I found it interesting, that while the gay couple were merely lounging in the chair, and sharing random pecks, the lesbian couple later in the story seemed to be taking it much further. They seemed way more intimate than the gay men, but perhaps that was just me.

Nukely's picture

Birmingham


I wonder what the citizens and Mayor of Birmingham are thinking right now? And has any one talked to Operator 9283?

The Caller said that they were "kinda kissing and drooling all over each other, for the past hour or so." It seemed apparent she was disapproving, not threatened.

"It's not against the law, right?"
The Caller knows it's not against the law and doesn't offer any other excuse for a complaint. But she fishes for a reason to make a complaint.

"So, there's no complaint I could make?"
It's as if she wants the expert advice of the operator to help her trump up a charge. The Operator complies.

"I imagine you could complain if you like ma'am, We could always send an officer down there."

Since the woman is merely offended, and there isn't a law be being broken, and the woman can't produce evidence that one is likely to be broken (nudity, public sex, harassment, drunkenness, profanity) then why did Operator 9283 encourage her to complain?

Of course once a complaint is made, an officer would be called out to investigate. Which means he would have to put down his donut, get in his car, drive over there to investigate. At this point he might justify talking to them. Perhaps the caller was a stalker or had previously threatened the couple? But he could see by looking at them and talking to them that they weren't a threat.

So why does he admonish them? "keep it cool." and even after his boss informs him that it's okay he still adds, "just don't do that out in public." The only law the couple had broken was being the victims of him getting off his lazy ass. I'm guessing that's the main reason he decides to become a legislator and enact the law of, "don't bug the old bat's by being gay." He lets them off with a directive to cease and desist. Like he's being the nice guy. But his own bigotry shows. How would he have legislated if the complaint was against a straight interracial couple?

20/20 has a poor record on reporting gay issues but they got it right when they quoted June Frogens, "Love is good where ever you find it."

Anyway, am I the only one who hopes those two actors are hired to star in a daytime drama where they can repeat the show they did in the Birmingham park. How cool would that be?

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Evan's picture

Rescue 911

I think they downplayed the hostile reactions.  According to news reports there were atleast five police complaints.  I was happy that the lesbian couple receive largely neutral or positive reactions.  The gay male couple were good but very restrained, they should have really kissed instead of just pecks on the lips.
Nukely's picture

UDA?


I'm unable to find any reports that more than one 911 call was made. I have been searching the web. If anyone has a link to that or a response from the Birmingham Police.

The way the call comes down, the operator makes it sound like it's the first call on the 'incident" and she's ready to send a car out. 20/20 say that "soon afterward" a police car shows up. So there where more calls after that one? Which, if 20/20 weren't involved, we could assume would have resulted in more police investigations and an arrest for .... what do they charge you with in Birmingham? Unchristian Display of Affection?

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Dennis's picture

Not Supprised

I have to say I'm not supprised at all by the reactions of the people in the 20/20 segment, I wish i could be. As everyone above has stated, that 911 call was a farce. There was no law broken, the woman dispached an officer that was probably needed in a crack neighborhood for a drive by.I'm sure he would rather hasstle a couple of innocent gay guy's than put himself in danger though.

 Dennis