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BREAKING: Fox issues non-apology apology for homophobia on "So You Think You Can Dance"



AfterElton.com just received this statement from Fox regarding Wednesday night's episode of So You Think You Can Dance which featured a same-sex couple who were ridiculed by the judges and the show.

The judges of SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE critique auditioners and contestants on their overall performance, stage presence, technique and a wide range of characteristics. All dancers are aware when they audition they will be subject to the judges' opinions. We apologize if any viewers were offended by their remarks.

From the Producers of So You Think You Can Dance and Fox.

So they aren't sorry for any of the homophobic comments made by judge Nigel Lythgoe. And they're not  sorry that they edited the segment with music and footage that was blatantly offensive to Misha and Mitchel, the same-sex pair who appeared on the show, not to mention all of the gay viewers outraged by what we witnessed.

No, they're sorry if you were offended. Such a heartfelt apology brings a tear to the eye, no?

We all know exactly what this kind of apology means. It means they aren't sorry at all.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't cut it for me. More to follow next week. 

Editor's update: Saturday morning Lythgoe apologized for his "Brokeback" dancing tweet. Unfortunately, he still doesn't get it when it comes to the rest of the issue.

ReneeGannon's picture

Did we really expect...

...anything more from FOX other than furthering the blatant homophobic agenda of theirs (cough cough, Adam Lambert loses American Idol finale).  Plus, look at Lythgoe's Twitter page, he is clearly trying to depend that fact that he isn't comfortable watching two men dance together with passion.  FOX still has a loooong way to go.

- Renee

Wolfi's picture

Huh???

I agree that the segment on SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE was homophobic and uncalled for, but how exactly is a public vote against Adam Lambert FOX's fault?? Nobody was stopping Adam Lambert's suppoters from doing the same as Kris Allen's teenage girls and (allegedly) Christian fan base and simply texting votes in several times...

--

The Gays Of Daytime

sarah's picture

Not apologiing is an art

Bastards! If only people would stop watching the show, previously announcing the sponsors of their decision, that could be nice... I don't have high hopes that it'll happen so... It's all so touching that they're sorry we're too softie and took offence on Nigel's homophobia and misogyny. Shame on us, they did everything right and we're a bunch of whining babies. ::rolls eyes:: But really, what was to be expected from Fox?
wagville's picture

It's insulting, but I don't think it's a cross-show conspiracy

As I wrote about in more detail elsewhere, I am certainly offended by Nigel's surprisingly disrespectful attitude toward gay men (surprising because he works with DANCERS). But, honestly, the only part I found absolutely objectionable on Thursday night's show was Nigel's "you might enjoy dancing with a girl" crack. The rest of the discussion was actually kind of interesting, illuminating the confusion "straight society" has with gender blurring. I may get flamed for this, but I just didn't find the rest of it that insulting (not even the music, which maybe we can have a sense of humor about?). That being said, Nigel is acting like an a-hole, and needs to take responsibility for his disrespect. His position seems to be that because he doesn't "hate" gay people that he's not a homophobe. But prejudice isn't just demonstrated by outright hate...disrespect is perfectly effective. And he seems to think that the best defense is a good offense...but all it is is offensive.
Knightgee's picture

Sense of humor?

I don't mind jokes at my or anyone else's expense, but context and intent is important. These were people dancing, not the gag dancers that shows like these often get and their routine was played for laughs simply because they were same-sex, not because there was anything actually funny going on in the routine. The "humor" in this case is that there's something inherently gay and effeminate about two men dancing together and thus funny. When the butt of the joke is "haha, this is gay, let's play music to highlight how gay this is" and that's supposed to be enough to draw a laugh, I refuse to crack a smile and "have a sense of humor" about it. That humor got old in grade school.
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Bobbyjoe's picture

The Next Step...

Again, someone who has the show on DVR or tape needs to make a list of the show's advertisers.  And then we'll start looking up the contact numbers and addresses for those advertisers. Next, we immediately start a continuing campaign to politely contact those advertisers and put the pressure on them about what they're choosing to spend their ad money on and how it's affecting a desirable demographic that ought to be-- but won't-- be watching the show while it continues to support bigotry.

It's predictable that Fox would attempt to pass the buck, which is why I suggested on a previous thread that we should start by contacting the advertisers.  That's what will get results, and you're much more likely to have Fox--and the show-- issuing a full apology, rather than this kind of non-apology "we're sorry if anyone was offended" faux-apology.  You hit 'em where it hurts-- with the people who pay their bils with ad money and don't like this kind of needless antagonism by the show of a key demographic-- and make it clear you won't stop until Fox and Lythgoe genuinely apologize and knock it off. 

Fox obviously thinks this will pass and we won't make a ruckus that'll scare their financial supporters.  Let's prove them wrong.

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Andros's picture

Nigel just apologized for

Nigel just apologized for his comment on Twitter:

 

"I wholeheartedly apologize for my Brokeback Ballroom Tweet. It was insensitive, ignorant and stupid. I have upset a number of dear friends."

 

But unfortunately not for his SYTYCD comment.

HenryZ's picture

You'd think in this time

You'd think in this time where people's comments are immediately subject to the scrutiny of thousands, they'd learn to think before they speak. Or, you know, just think... period.
Liz's picture

EXCUSE ME?

um.....

All dancers are aware when they audition they will be subject to the judges' opinions. We apologize if any viewers were offended by their remarks.

^ opinions?!! opinions???? no...no, see this was MORE than what i would call just opinions.

Nigel finishes up by saying he'd like to see them both dance with a girl, and adds "You never know, you might enjoy that, too." ---> That was just a ignorant thing to say. the man acts like these men are horrified at the thought of women in general and act like dancing with them may make them lose their minds or something, i have no idea

another thing....that statement also said they were sorry IF anyone was offended? IF? oh, nobody was possibly offended....there's no way to tell if anyone was offended, was there? i really didn't see anyone being offended. nope.

case in point? FOX and nigel and whoever else are jerks and will continue to be jerks because they can't see the forest for the trees. 

 

Hanna Iris's picture

I was even more offended by

I was even more offended by the Brokeback tweet. But as said he then apologized for that which I appreciate to a degree. But then again I'm still confused.

The comments he said on the actual show are what they are and that's that. Some ppl thought they were negative some didn't take offense. In that regard I think the tweets are even more offensive. As if he thought "brokeback" was just another word for "any two men dancing" and that of course can't be taken as offensive cause clearly everyone has their own likes and dislikes. But then he found it's actually a film about two butch (?) gay men on horses and put two and two together -> time to apologize. Or did he mean two gay men which actually doesn't make sense in this subject since the other one is straight so what has gay have to do with anything? So is he not a fan of two heterosexual men dancing together or just gay men dancing together or neither?

I don't understand why they even showed those comments cause the pair didn't make thru so it wasn't about who they are but their "lack of talent". Or were they good enough but not chosen cause they danced together and the other one is gay?

I'm confused!?

#FAIL

Nukely's picture

Tweet from a twit

The problem with this doesn't rest on Fox's shoulders but on the producers, and Nigel Lythgoe was the executive producer of the show, if not still a producer I'm sure he's the person who stands to make the greatest financial reward or loss (if the show fails). What a stupid pompous ass.

Nigel Lythgoe wrote:
I have upset a number of dear friends.
Take this for what it really means. He isn't talking about dear friends being upset, he is talking about the majority of the viewers being upset. His twitters tell the story better than anything else:

Nigel Lythgoe on Twitter wrote:
I believe overtly effeminate dancing destroys the opportunity for many male dancers to be supported.
...
I am very sad the word 'homophobe' is being used. That is someone who hates homosexuals. I dislike effeminate dancing! Wake up and listen!
...
The same sex ballroom guys did remind me of "Blades of Glory." However, I'm not a fan of 'Brokeback' Ballroom.
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It was the best result for both guys. I believe Adam can become a major flamboyant star like Bowie or Freddie. Kris' good but needed to win.
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Good morning. It's the SYTYCD premiere tonight 8:00-10:00pm on Fox. I hope the audience will be, educated,...
Don't even watch SYTYCD. Don't watch it and tell your friends not to watch it. 'nuff said. What good is his forced apology? I don't care if he says he's sorry becasuse he stands to loose several million dollars, I suppose I'd say I'm sorrry, too, for just about anything.

I want to add that Lythgoe is also used to be executive producer of American Idol.

 

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Siti's picture

Oh wait... he said WHAT?

"It was the best result for both guys. I believe Adam can become a major flamboyant star like Bowie or Freddie. Kris' good but needed to win."

Okay... if he had said major star like Bowie or Freddie, I wouldn't mind it at all, because Adam is already a major star, IMO. But major "flamboyant" star like Bowie or Freddie? Oh... my... God... Someone needs to stop me right now from punching him! Or sending him a hate mail!

Oh... and hell no. Kris deserves to win as much as Adam. Does he need that win more than Adam? Maybe. But not entirely, no. Kris does have that musical talent and that mass appeal. Let's face it. And anybody who can make "No Boudaries" listenable is one heck of a talent!

Whitetee's picture

It`s Nigel`s show

I remember in one of the early seasons he kind of lost temper and basically said it is his show and he would fully decide who stays and who goes,all by himself.He is also listed as one of the two creators of the show,besides Simon Fuller.
Josh Aterovis's picture

A real, honest to god apology

Glaad managed to get a real honest to god apology and an indication that he is willing to learn from his mistakes:

On May 22, GLAAD released a Call to Action in response to remarks made the night before by judge Nigel Lythgoe on the popular reality competition show So You Think You Can Dance.  Today, GLAAD President Neil G. Giuliano and Senior Director of Media Programs Rashad Robinson spoke with Mr. Lythgoe.   He expressed his apology over his misuse of words and released this official statement:

 

“I sincerely regret the fact that I have upset people with the poor word choices and comments I made both during the taping of the ‘So You Think You Can Dance’ audition and on my personal status update. I am not homophobic and it was extremely upsetting for me to be classed as such.

I have been forthright and consistent with my opinion, as a judge, that professional male dancers should move with strength and agility — like Gene Kelly and Rudolph Nureyev.  I now realize how this could be misconstrued.

I have been a dancer, and involved in the dance world, for nearly 50 years. Professionally and personally, I believe the sexual orientation of an auditioner or contestant is irrelevant.  All that said, the fact that I have unintentionally upset people is distressing to me and it is obvious I have made mistakes that I must learn from. I trust that my humor will be more sensitive and mindful moving forward.”

-Nigel Lythgoe, judge and executive producer, So You Think You Can Dance

“We certainly appreciate the dialogue, and the opportunity for Nigel to help further educate people about how words and images matter,” said Giuliano.  “His sincere words are appreciated, and we look forward to words, images and representations of the LGBT community on So You Think You Can Dance that will be fair, accurate and inclusive in the future.”

http://glaadblog.org/2009/05/23/call-to-action-update-so-you-think-you-can-dance-judge-nigel-lythgoe-issues-apology/ 

---

Josh

Author of the Killian Kendall Mystery Series

www.joshaterovis.com

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Liz's picture

yup, that is what i call...

that is what i call a real apology. Good for him.

that being said, it's still a bit sad that it took a phone call to make him see the full picture of what he said and how that offended people. I'm still suprised that he is in a business that probably has a lot of gay men and didn't see it the first time or second time around how it was offensive.

well, it's in the past and i think and hope that he won't make poor choices of words again. I think he learned his lesson, so to speak.

Tarc's picture

To be honest, I never

To be honest, I never thought that Nigel was a homophobe. But like many people who aren't gay, their comprehension is not complete. Did he go to far in letting his personal view that effeminate male dancers are a bad thing go to far? Yeah. Did he look like an old-fasioned fuddy-duddy when praising all kinda of new dance styles early in the show and then come down on same sex ballroom (and it's fans)? Heck yeah. And was it homophobic to assume that both of the men in the pair were gay (and the later suggest that they might want to try dancing with a girl "because they might like it"?)? Hell yes. But off the dance floor, would Nigel ever do or say anything overtly homophobic? I don't think so. I think he just went off on his macho producer's rant and got carried away with his own personal opinion. The situation was odd - and the two guys didn't make the best choices for a mainstream audition (from costumes to the confusing rapid switching of gender roles, which I assume was meant to illustrate skill); Mary and Sonja seemed to recognize that this was a situation to be handled with finesse and managed to give good critiques without being offensive. Nigel didn't, and I'm very glad that he thoroughly apologized. I'm also glad that the men involved got sent to choreography, making this incident irrelevant to their future participation in the contest.      
Nukely's picture

A Piss Poor Apology

These are from Lithgoe's recent comments: "overtly effeminate dancing destroys", "'Brokeback' Ballroom", a major flamboyant star like Bowie or Freddie" And those are just his recent comments. Lithgoe has said many of the same types of things in the past. Many times. "I'm sorry I hurt your feelings when I called you a fairy, or flamboyant, or overt, or....?" He could be writing copy for the AFA with the amount of coded words he uses. I mean, how many times do you want the guy to say, I'm sorry? He could make a career of it!

That was a piss poor apology from someone who seems to be anything but contrite and is only sorry that other people are not as bigoted as he is, he is sorry that being bigoted makes him look like the ass that he is. There is no excuse and "sorry" isn't good enough. He and his show have been homophobic for a long time. They allowed these contestants on the show for the only purpose of having a chance to ridicule them and trash gay people. It wasn't innocent, It wasn't a mistake and his comments afterward reinforce that.

Sorry my ass. I don't imagine he ever will be sorry for the harm that his comments and the shows actions produce. GLAAD sends him a letter and he becomes frightened of the media frenzy that they can produce and he issues an apology, like A.S.A.P. End of story. Good night. We won the good fight.

But then next week there is an 11 year old gay boy in Virginia who hangs himself due to the ridicule he received in conjunction with that segment on SYTYCD? Please, tell me how the GLAAD-extracted, luke-warm apology will help that kid or his grieving parents? Nothing has changed here. GLAAD only served to help cover up a very bad and growing problem in the media by giving another bigot a free ride. Children are dying and GLAAD is kissing ass. I suppose he'll get an award, now.

 

glen's picture

Feminine and masculine, leader/follower


What I find equally interesting are the comments from the women with the shaved head. Of all people she should be open to the idea of challenging peoples preconceived ideals of the feminine.  As for all the judges, would they have been as negative with their stereotyping if two contemporary dancers had done the audition or by a male/female couple with reversed roles? For example, look to a popular Canadian dance troupe from the mid ‘80s called LA LA Human Step (see the link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ls8nIfuTQ). This troupe challenged the role of leader follower and the role of the male and female. They were challenging stereotypes 20 years ago. I understand Mary’s confusion as she is a traditional ballroom dancer and may not be familiar with such groups as La La Human Step. But none of them should be surprised by dancers wanting to challenge or provoke new ideas and engage the audience in a discussion of stereotypes through dance.  I wonder how this would have gone down if Mia Michael’s had been there?
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Tarc's picture

I think most of the problem

I think most of the problem there was that they kept switching roles during the performance. If the goal was to show that they could do both, doing halfsies would have been a better choice. But if you noticed, they did send the guys through to choreography, which is where nearly every single other competent ballroom couple goes (it's extremely rare for them to send a ballroom couple stright through).

I'm totally with you though: they can't laud other styles and then show disdain for same sex ballroom (and it's fans). And while Nigel might be correct that effeminate male dancers might not be able to succeed with the American public, he should have been judging the mastery of the person playing the role (no matter their gender and no matter his personal taste).

soapskates's picture

I'm done

This was the first time I ever saw the show.  For a whle there I was thinking I could get hooked on the competition. It is unfortunate that Nigel Lythgoe's remarks killed my desire to see any future episodes.

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sarah's picture

the one good thing

about this ugly incident, is that people have posted links to some wonderful dancing clips. Thank you guys!

I don't know if it's on YT, but I remember Julio Bocca dancing tango with another male dancer in Saura's film Tango, and that was beautiful too.

scorpio54's picture

Greatest dance routine ever

If you think you can dance, let's see you try this: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBb9hTyLjfM

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sarah's picture

Amazing

That was wonderful, thank you for the link :)

 

...but I wonder if Lythgoe would think them macho enough for SYTYCD, I mean, he coud be confused as which one is the woman. The more I think about this, the angrier I get.

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Anonymous's picture

Tommy Blacharz & Max Pitruzella - Boys Dancing Together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGaniQwoEiQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDhui3j1ruE

They are French and just fooling around  with the routine and don't normally dance as a couple.  Apparently they are also straight.  They adapted a routine from a male/female dance couple.

I love seeing men dance together BECAUSE it goes against the idea that two men can't ever touch each other without it being seen as sexual or inappropriate.

I recommend anyone who thinks gay men partnering together is inherently bad to go check out the Gay Games and Out Games videos because there is a wide range of gender expression and levels of femininity and masculinity and they are all fabulous, skilled ballroom dancers.

The mere fact that Nigel used "Brokeback" implies that he thinks it is "gay" in a bad way for two men to partner dance together, ever. 

I'm generally accepting of someone's apology if they accidentally do something or honestly are ignorant about the possible reprecussions of their actions .

I think Nigel meant what he said, the way he said it and he was just counting on folks agreeing with him or at the least not getting up in his grill about it.  

If Nigel had just said that these particular two guys are crap dancers and therefore the routine was ridiculous, that would have been completely acceptable.

The idea that the absence of a woman in a dance routine  between two men (particularly ballroom) begs the question of the sexual orientation of the men dancing is insane.

His entire critique was about how two men dancing together is inherently confusing and  "gay" in a bad way but the fact that they were sharing the lead and wearing sparkly clothes was just BEYOND THE PALE!

Has he seen profesisonal ballroom dancing dudes?  Straight or gay, they ar not dancing in oxford button downs or plaid hunting shirts and cargo pants (generally speaking)

Whether he is a homophobe or not (I call "walks like a duck" but whatevs) he has a responsibility to men and boys who want to dance to not just spew that kind of sexist, homophobic garbage so willy nilly.

As a professional dance man, his words mean a lot more to young male dancers (because of this show) than some random homophobe who doesn't know anything about dance.

"Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." (Dorothy Parker)

Bill Smith's picture

Joel McHale on The Soup

When Joel McHale showed the clip on The Soup this weekend I almost changed channels because I didn't want to see more sophomoric homophobic humor, but I stuck around and was pleasantly surprised.  Instead of making fun of the dancers, he said, "When Miss California Carrie Prejean saw this clip, her head exploded.  Yep.  There was a big rush of empty air."

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