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Confusion Over Whether Chris Colfer is Gay or Not

Last October, The Advocate posted an interview with Chris Colfer in which they said Colfer was gay and out. This was the email they sent to me and presumably other media outlets:

This is Chris Colfer's first interview with the gay press. He's gay, talks about how he couldn't come out in high school because people in his town get killed for that. Really smart, fun interview.

It wasn't actually Chris' first interview with the gay press (we had already briefly chatted with him) but the interview included the following exchange:

Lesley Goldberg: Were you out in high school?
Chris Colfer
: Oh, no. People are killed in my hometown for that.

Personally, my next question would've been to clarify that Colfer was indeed saying he was gay, but Goldberg and The Advocate seemed certain enough of what Chris was saying that they not only ran the interview that way, but pitched it as Chris talking about being gay. 

Maybe. Maybe not. Today USA Today has an interview up with the following passage:

"Playing an openly gay kid means fielding questions about his own sexuality, which Colfer doesn't address. 'I try to keep up a mystery. As much as I give away of my personal life, the less people will believe me as other characters. I try to be private about it. It is what it is,' Colfer says with a shrug."

This prompted a number of blogs to wonder if Colfer was now back in the closet and even The Advocate posted a follow-up. They also cite an interview Colfer gave to Access Hollywood a while ago where he seems to be comparing his own coming out to that of Kurt's on Glee

So is Colfer in or out? Gay or straight?

I don't know and I don't intend to ask. As I recently explained in my column on outing, I don't ask actors under age twenty one about their sexuality because putting that much pressure on someone so young — someone who might very well not have yet dealt with their sexuality — is out-of-bounds for me. That's why I didn't ask Chris when I chatted with him at the TCA, and the only reason I'm writing about it here is because we previously reported he was out due to The Advocate's interview.

If Chris is in fact gay, I'm sure he'll let us know when he's ready. And if I talk to him after he turns twenty-one, I'll see if he's willing to talk about it then. Until that time, I hope those folks who have posted some very unpleasant comments on other sites, will zip it and cut the kid some slack.

The_Intangible_Fancy's picture

I first identified as

I first identified as lesbian/came out to other people at the age of 19 and I can remember just how confusing and intimidating the whole process was.  And I didn't even have to contend with the more daunting challenges that many gay teens face--I was never taught that homosexuality is a sin or that it is wrong and my family and friends are all supportive (and I will always be grateful for that).  If it was that confusing for someone like me who grew up in such a supportive, protected environment, I can only imagine what it is like for someone who doesn't have that or someone who is in the media spotlight. 

There is no doubt that human sexuality is complex and nuanced.  Unfortunately, we live in a world where sexuality has been dragged into the arena of politics.  And if there is one thing politics can't handle, it's complexity and nuance.  Many people simply don't want to consider the possibility that sexuality could be fluid, or that it could change over time, or that it might not be perfectly straightforward for everyone.  Not everyone fits neatly into a predesignated category.  Not everyone understands their own sexual desires the second they hit puberty.  So many people want it to be a black and white issue, but it just isn't.  This is why some people are so threatened by bisexuality--it blurs the well-drawn battle lines between heterosexuality and homosexuality.

I actually used to be embarrassed that I didn't come out sooner.  In retrospect it was so 'obvious'--surely I must have been an idiot not to realize sooner?  But sexuality is complicated and not everyone is going to get it at the same time.

In any case, it is refreshing that there are people out there (many on this site) who are willing to acknowledge and embrace the messiness and complexity of sexual orientation.

BTW, Madeleine: you are still young and have plenty of time to figure out who you are.  Good luck!

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Tess's picture

Exactly!

I'm 18 and still trying to work my sexuality out.

And while I have some friends I'm happy to talk to about it, I'm nowhere near discussing it with my family.

And even if I were confidently out, I can't even imagine having someone bring it up in the national media. I know people are saying 'he's 19, he's legally an adult', but most of my friends are 19 (I'm a young one) and they sure as hell don't feel like adults!

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Bountiful's picture

That is wonderful for you...

Other people have had different experiences. Sexuality is not always clear cut.
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bambino italiano's picture

Nothing piss me off more than self-righteous individuals

who can't seems to get enough attention and awards in the world every time they tell how their coming out experience should be the prescription for everyone elses and nothing less. The bigger issue is sex sells. Hollywood has and will always sexualize anyone and everyone. And the market these days are targeting the tweens and teens. Hence you got Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers, Hayden Pannittiere, the twilight kids, gossip girls and the list go on and on. How many of these Hollywood kids are mature enough to deal with their own sexuality, never mind being push to live up to the image created for them to sell?  It's great to read about certain public figure coming out stories. It's another to pressure someone who is not ready and in the process had his or her career destroyed. Like we need more Perez Hilton in our society!!
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beero's picture

Re read my post

I did not say my experience means that all gay people should be like me, READ IT.

I said my experience was NOT like the majority. I was merely using it as an example.

Chuckles's picture

Who Cares?

Why all the big hoopla over an actor on a show that's meant to make everyone feel lighthearted, warm, and fuzzy on the inside?  Its his choice what he wants to say and not say, not ours.  Besides, Hollywood will still continue to be a black hole of self-absorption with or without another out actor...
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Joseph's picture

He's an adult

He's 19 years old, right? So he's no longer in high school and also no longer a minor. He can register to vote and he can die for his country. If he were under 18 I could understand not questioning him about this and not asking him to clarify it. As someone else said upthread, adolescents *can* be confused and conflicted about it, but he's an adult and he needs to learn responsibility. Trying to de-out himself and claim "mystery" is avoiding responsibility.

He did say one thing and is now saying another. It requires clarification. And I would expect AE to ask for clarification.

And can I just say that I'm appalled that Wikipedia is once again censoring information related to a gay personality. Such actions simply reinforce the idea that being gay is shameful, nasty, not to be spoken of. It really, really pisses me off.

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Knightgee's picture

19? So what?

So what you're saying is that some magical change occurs at 18 or 19 that makes him more what? Adult than he was at 17? He's an adult by the standards of our legal system. Doesn't mean he has the emotional and sexual certainty and confidence of one, to say nothing of the fact that plenty of adults are still confused and uncertain of who they are well into middle age. I think it's interesting that as gay men and women we always want to talk about how who we are should be no one else's business and we should be allowed to live our lives in private without judgments and yet we're the most critical of celebrities who don't want to be publicly out, constantly ignoring the fact that it does have actual effects on their careers(the phenomenon that is NPH not withstanding). We also have the habit of making any out person into a kind of icon or figure for our causes, which is a lot of pressure for someone who just wants to act and live their life, especially a young person. You would think gay people would be more sympathetic to people who don't want to be out and constantly judged by their sexuality, but it seems the opposite is true, we want everyone to come out and are quick to minimize the potential damage it may do to their personal and professional lives.
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Joseph's picture

No, I don't have sympathy

I have empathy for a person struggling to come out of the closet. Of course. It can be an emotionally traumatic experience (or not, for others). So I empathise with this young man.

Sympathy is something else, entirely, especially when you (or those around you, as the case may be here) start detracting or, essentially and apparently, lying. I can't sympathise with that. I can empathise with it, but I can't sympathise with it.

Regarding the idea that he deserves a "private life," I am SO sick and tired of that being thrown around, especially since it's only applied to gay celebrities. BEING a gay man or woman IS NOT a private state of affairs--it is part of the core of your humanity, in the same way that your eye color, your skin color, your left-or-right handedness is. Who you specifically choose to sleep with, what positions you enjoy, THAT is a private concern. But not the way you were born, and the more we reinforce this idea to the world, the more justice and tolerance we will experience.

Look, as I've stated before, we are ALL role models. It is our duty and responsibility to humanity, to treat each other with dignity and respect, and the only way we, as gay men and women, can guarantee that dignity and respect is by living our lives honestly and forthrightly, by being out and letting the world know that we do not have any shame. Whether you're a famous (or not) actor or a janitor. This sense of empathy and concern for humanity, the hope that I can provide a positive role model and inspire young people to seek to better themselves and the world they live in is why I became a teacher.

And, yes, I am out and fortunate to live in a community that has a law protecting me from job discrimination; still, while most students are totally cool, I have had to deal with the occasional "faggot" and "I wish all gay people would die" comments--it only serves to inspire me more to be out and proud and let them know that I am NOT ashamed of the way God made me. I do that as much for the gay youth (the average age of coming out is now 13 years old) seeking a role model as I do for the straight youth that deserve to see a gay man who is a good, honest, caring, intelligent, capable person. No, I'm not perfect, but at least I'm honest.

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David Ehrenstein's picture

SING OUT LOUISE!

(in this case Joseph)
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Knightgee's picture

Too bad.

I'm sorry the idea of people having a private life offends you so much. There is no double standard here. If he were straight I'd be saying the same thing and arguing that it's all none of our business simply because it IS none of our business. That's what makes it private, because it's information that concerns him and only him. Him being born gay doesn't mean I have a right to know he is gay anymore than him being born with an oddly-shaped birthmark means I have a right to know what it is. It's irrelevant information that he has every right to keep to himself. He's an actor, giving interviews to promote a show. If he is not willing to offer up private information, that's his right as a human being and it shouldn't be looked down on. At least you're honest? Do you want a prize or something? It's easy to be honest when there are no real consequences for doing so in your world. Come back when your honesty has the potential to result in something a little more damaging than a couple of insults from idiots and maybe you'll get a cookie for your trouble. 'Til then, you're honesty doesn't really put you in a position to be judging anyone. If it's our duty to treat each other with dignity and respect, how about you start by having the good grace not to judge others harshly for not living in the exact way you'd like them to?
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Joseph's picture

I'm not going to respond to your insult...

...because it's not worthy of a response. And it would be hypocritical, and I won't go there.

Peace.

Darrien's picture

Congratulations

It's always a moment for celebration when a student from the Carrie Prejean School of Victimhood graduates.
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Joseph's picture

Pot, meet kettle

You really seem to relish this. So sad.
Darrien's picture

the sadness

You seem to think that the definition of being gay is somehow being a victim. I'm gay and I'm not a victim. Most of my friends aren't victims of sexuality. We're gay - that's what we are. We don't have to be heterosexual to be equal. We just have to pay the same taxes as anyone else. The real sadness here is that you think you have to be a victim to be equal. That's a cretinous point of view. If you don't understand that you're the equal to any person you pass on the street, that's the real sadness here.

You're in the US and you have far fewer rights than me. British gays never got a single right by slagging off any other gay man. The absolute, immense, consequentiial misery of the US fight for gay rights is that you think there's a 'right way' of being gay. There isn't. You're gay. Chris Colfer is gay. But instead of actually getting political and demanding your rights as a human being, you're pissing into a bowl of cornflakes and demanding Colfer eats it before you'll accept he's gay.

Get over yourself. It's a pathetic position to hold. You like being a gay victim. I like being a gay winner.

For God's sake - and the next generation of gay men - grow a back-bone.

Nanite's picture

So wait.

This magical change occurs at 20 and not 18 or 19?  Because by your logic, we could never treat anyone as an adult because they might not mentally be that way.

 

Also, it's not just being out - it's being a celebrity.  You forfeit most of your rights to privacy expectations if you get a job on a national television show.  I'm sorry, but it's just not possible to hide your life when cameras are focused on you for most of that life.

RJ's picture

What a bunch of poppycock

"Also, it's not just being out - it's being a celebrity.  You forfeit most of your rights to privacy expectations if you get a job on a national television show.  I'm sorry, but it's just not possible to hide your life when cameras are focused on you for most of that life."

The only celebrities who actually live their lives in front of the camera are those who choose to do so like Britney, Lindsey Lohan, Jon & Kate Gosselin, or Brangelina.

Besides what they voluntarily reveal about themselves, I know very little about the private lives of celebs like Ellen, NPH or Matt Damon. These three are examples of high profile celebrities who choose very carefully when to be in the spotlight and what personal information to allow into the public domain. Actually, come to think of it, Brangelina also only allow the public to see what they want to be seen - all their public appearances, even the casual ones, seem to be carefully considered photo ops.

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RJ's picture

Nanite, how about explaining your rationale?

I've refuted your nonsensical statement about forfeiting privacy rights just because one becomes a celebrity, yet you've provided no reasonable response except to say you disagree 100% via a zero rating?

You could at least explain your rationale a bit better. Celebs do not lose their rights to privacy just because you personally believe that should be the case.

Here's another example: Walter Cronkite, "the most trusted man in America", arguably had the highest profile job on U.S. national television for 19 years as anchorman for the CBS Evening News, but how much about his private life did the public know?

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Joseph's picture

We knew he was married and had children

So he was out as a straight man.

Gay celebrities should be treated the same. All I ask that we know he or she is gay. Why is it so difficult for people to comprehend this very simple concept?

Crawfish Po Boy's picture

We Do Know

 

He's gay.  He came out.  In October.  He didn't seem confused or unsure.

He hasn't retracted his statements made to The Advocate or Access Hollywood.

He hasn't asked them to clarify or change what he said in those interviews about coming out.

I don't know why he must now be held responsible for other people's confusion about his sexuality when he's made no statements to the contrary of his being gay.

There is nothing inherent in the interview with USA Today that says Chris Colfer ISN'T gay or that he's closeted.  At the most the author implies he didn't want to or doesn't want to talk about it.

We have no idea when this interview happened what what went down during it. It could have been done in September  (which is often the case with these kinds of interview).  Maybe he just didn't want to talk to HER about being gay?  

We can't know. Only he knows. But that's not the same as being closeted.

The Advocate posts this question because it wanted a headline and now they have one.

But they can't tell people how to interpret something folks can read with my own eyes and there is NOTHING in that quote  by Chris Colfer that says "I'm not gay" or "I was mistaken when I said I was gay" or "I was lying about being gay" or "The other media outlets who said I was gay were wrong".

I bring up the pregnant actress example again because it happens so often and it's very much akin.  Sometimes an actress will give an interview to People where she confirms she's pregnant and how many months (sometime JUST that's she's pregnant) then the next outlet that interviewers her gets a "I don't want to discuss my private life".

Does that mean the actress is no longer pregnant or is lying about being pregnant if she's ALREADY confirmed that she's pregnant?

Chris Colfer came out and got congratulations for being out and coming out and never once, NOT ONCE made any different statement. 

I'm confused by your confusion.

Saying "It is what is is, I like to keep some mystery about my private life"  or whatever could be interpreted 87 ways Joseph.

As easily as you say he's trying to closet himself, I just thought he simply didn't want to talk to USA Today about being gay. End of.

Why is that so hard to believe given the fact that he just came out in the internationally read media outlets?

I have never read or seen anything that indicated that Chris Colfer was straight, said he was straight, identifies as straight or was dating a girl.

Is it so wrong to want to have some proof that he's closeted before everyone starts calling him a liar?

Why are you so unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt about what he meant to Chris Colfer and so willing to accept The Advocate's intepretation of what he meant in a quote from an interview that they didn't conduct and weren't present for?

It feels like folks are going out of their way to interpret that quote as an attempt to be closeted because of what OTHER CELEBRITIES have done when there are equally valid and different ways of interpreting it.

It's also one tiny quote in a very short article that should just be a blip in the context of all the other media Chris has done and is doing and some how The Advocate has turned it into some kind of expose on Chris Colfer's sexuality.

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RJ's picture

We already know he's gay...

He told us once (Advocate), twice (Access Hollywood). He doesn't want to do it a third time. Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend this very simple concept?
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Crawfish Po Boy's picture

I'm not seeing a closet

This need to pile on and attack celebrities like this boggles my mind.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what about that one quote has got everyone's knickers in a twist. Surely that can't be the only thing The Advocate is basing it's accusation on?

It's gone beyond just hoping a celebrity is gay or hoping they will come out or being critical of the closet  to damning them to hell if they not only don't come out but don't come out the way some amorphous panel of gays deems sufficient.

Can someone direct me to the statement where Chris Colver denied being gay or asked for a retraction from The Advocate and Access Hollywood for saying he was gay?  Did he write to AfterElton and ask that the article saying he was gay be removed?

I know he knows about it because folks were tweeting him like crazy on his "coming out" day and he tweeted right back.

There are plenty of actresses who don't deny being pregnant but also say they don't want to discuss it or it's private (despite people asking them about it in every interview).  Some even confirm their pregnancy in one publication then refuse to discuss it in others.

Does that make them a liar or someone who's ashamed of being pregnant simply because they pick and choose which publications to discuss it with?

I would think if Chris Colfer were actually closeted, he would have corrected the media outlets who stated that he's out and gay (including this one).

At the very least he wouldn't have given his ok for The Advocate to say he was gay if he's not or if he's closeted and he certainly wouldn't have talked about it to Access Hollywood.

This feels like The Advocate just threw out a headline to get some press (or try to scoop) and everyone's jumping all over it without any evidence.

That quote is not evidence of Chris Colfer being closeted (despite how it's being spun).  The quote seems more like him drawing a line in the sand and trying to establish some boundaries around his personal life or maybe even just with USA Today.

What's wrong with wanting to have some mystery?  Cheyenne Jackson has an invisible love of 10 plus years who can only be seen during leap year when the 29 falls on a Friday.  Does that mean he's ashamed of his lover?  Is the mystery surrounding his lover some intricate plot to hide a wife?

Chris Colfer is not stupid and he has professional handlers.  If the question asked of him was "Were you out in high school". If he wasn't gay, the natural answer would be "I'm not gay so coming out in high school wasn't an issue for me".  Why would he want to imply that he's gay if he isn't? Seriously.  There is now handler on this planet who would let that get past if he was closeted.

Maybe I'm crazy but this seems like a lot of venom spewing over something that hasn't actually happened.

I haven't seen a statement from Chris Colfer stating that he is not gay and is in fact straight.

When that happens, THEN they'll be a story worth writing about.

If his statement to USA Today was unclear (I don't think it is) why didn't The Advocate simply get some clarification FROM CHRIS COLFER before shoving him back in the closet or accusing him of strolling back in there himself?

The trend of jumping all over gay or possibly gay celebrities like crazed brain eaters is far worse than anything Fox News does because it's coming from gay media outlets that should ALWAYS handle gays with care BECAUSE mainstream media does not.

The Advocate says he's gone back into the closet based upon one quote given to a different publication and all of a sudden it's the sermon on the mount? Really?

The bar for someone being out is so high now it's not just enough to confirm you're gay once, you have to say every time someone sticks a mic in front of your face. 

Yet if he did that, we'd accuse him of being too gay or always throwing his sexuality in people's face or not realizing that being gay is only one facet of his personality or some other such judgmental crap.

Sigh...

I think it's fine if media outlets ask an actor if they are single or dating, if they are a vegetarian and whether or not they like golf.   

Media outlets can ask whatever they won’t but they shouldn’t assume that every celebrity is going to just go all mouth-all-mighty, tongue everlasting just because they are being interviewed. 

I think it's perfectly fine for the actor to say NUNYA to some media outlets and spill their guts to others or say nothing to nobody.

But again, in this case, I fail to see where Chris Colfer is denying that he’s gay.  That to me is the only statement that matters.

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rem581's picture

WTF?

"Yet if he did that, we'd accuse him of being too gay or always throwing his sexuality in people's face or not realizing that being gay is only one facet of his personality or some other such judgmental crap."

 

When has anyone here ever said that, let alone a number of people that you could make such a sweeping generalization as to say "we" would do that?

 

 

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Crawfish Po Boy's picture

Many times and I'm not the only person here to notice

 

People right here on AfterElton said it about Adam Lambert  after Idol.  He's not the only celebrity I've seen it said about either.

Literally "We know you're gay, you don't have to keep talking about it" or  "Why is everything about him being gay"

People said it on Towleroad and Qweerty as well. 

Don't ask me to explain how other people's minds work when it comes to gay visibility and celebrities coming out.

OBVIOUSLY I meant the "we" generally (as in some members of the gay community)  

There are a lot of things "we" as a community do and say that "I" as an individual would never.

If it doesn't apply to you, I don't see why you'd take it personally as you seem to have done.

I stand by my statement.

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This Case Has a Special Problem, Though...

Ordinarily, I'd strongly agree with the argument that the coming out process is an individual one, no one's business but the person in question, and particularly off limits when dealing with the young.

But this case has unique circumstances that call for, at the very least, Colfer-- and probably more accurately, his publicists-- to be really, really careful about what they do and say. Like it or not, Colfer isn't playing the vampire's sidekick in a teen horror flick: he's playing a character specifically designed in a way that a lot of gay teens in high school are going to identify with and even need to see, and, obviously, he is being seen this way by the many youing fans of the show. 

If the actor starts sending out all sorts of confusing signals to that young gay audience, he risks making it seem to that also very young audience that there's something wrong about being gay or that there's some need to cover it up. Think, for example, about what we know about the high rate of suicide attemtps by gay teens.  The last thing we need is one of their most identifiable touchstones sending out any signals that suggest secrecy, shame, or being openly gay as dangerous to your future career. 

Colfer may be 19, but he and his publicists can't ethically be playing around about being "out" one minute and "in" the next.   Maybe this is a growing up moment, but he's been put in a very unique and fortunate position, but one that, fortunately or unfortunately for him, is going to require some real responsibility and maturity.  If this is difficult for him, then some of the adults in his life (though at 19, he is becoming an adult), need to step in and give better counsel.

If we're going to talk about protecting the young in this particular case, it can't just be about the young actor.  There are other kids out there, at far greater risk, not of just becoming typecast in a promising acting career, but of terrible things like severe depression and even losing their lives. If they're seeing even those playing proud and out kids sending dangerous mixed messages and acting in their private life like "gay shouldn't be mentioned" and "gay shouldn't be seen," there are going to be real consequences, ones we won't see on t.v.

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Crawfish Po Boy's picture

The Advocate Is Not The Arbiter of What Things Mean

The Advocate does not own my brain therefore I don't need its permission to read a statement and understand what it means on my own.

I don't see anything even remotely closeted about that statement to USA Today.  I see a young man establishing a boundary about what he wants to say to USA Today.

The fact that he was a lot more open with The Advocate and Access Hollywood might say more about how he felt about WHO he was talking to.

Just because The Advocate is now selling bottles of "Chris Colfer is Closeted" doesn't me I have to buy them.

AFTER coming out, I think it is completely fine to say, I don't want to talk about my private life anymore.

I even remember Adam Lambert saying to a reporter (in an interview long after his 20/20 interview and the Rolling Stone article) "Hey, did you know I SING too?" when asked for the umpteenth time about what is was like to be gay, blah, blah.

People here seem to be projecting intentions and motivations onto Chris Colfer without any evidence that those are his intentions and motivations.

Maybe he thought he was just being clever or cute in the interview. Maybe he didn't want to talk about his love life (not being gay but who he's dating if anyone) maybe he couldn't stand talking to the interviewer and therefore wanted to nix any private questions.  Who knows what he was thinking besides him?

He's a gay kid (yes, he is, if he wasn't there would have been a whole lot of retracting going on before now) portraying a gay kid and not just any gay kid but what some would call an extremely flamboyant gay kid on one of the most popular TV shows in the country.  He has handlers and PR agents and lawyers with him at all times.  If he wasn't gay, any story saying he was would have never made it to press long before now.

He has even talked about coming out. But it's not like he always has to just because someone asks.

Why does this one statement to one newspaper some how magically erase the many others where he HAS chosen to talk about his sexuality.
Chris Colfer is not responsible for what other people say or think about him.  He is not responsible for all the crap people project onto him or the character he plays.  He can't be. It's not humanly possible.

Why do you assume that gay teens would read that USA Today article and think "Oh, there goes Chris Colfer back into the closet"

The Advocate read it that way but I certainly didn't and I have no reason to believe that had all these gay media outlets not jumped all over that one statement that anybody would have read the statement as a denial of his being gay.

Celebrities cannot live their lives constantly reacting to what every random media outlet chooses to say about him.

He hasn't asked anyone to retract their statements that he's gay.  He didn't deny being gay and he didn't correct the fans who congratulated him on coming out.

What exactly is he guilty of?  What actual thing has he done to try to make people think he's straight?

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Gabrielle's picture

How is he in the closet?

I thought being in the closet meant that someone widely believed to be gay constantly lies about their sexuality, fakes relationship with a beard, etc? I dont see any of that going on here. If Chris really is gay then it is his business alone and no one elses. If he doesn't want to talk about his sexuality then it's his choice. I dont see why every gay actor has to ''come out'' and make a big deal about being gay by appearing on the cover of People magazine.

The same thing with Matt Bomer. I dont understand how people can consider him ''in the closet'' either. He has never talked about or denied being gay. Some people just dont want to talk about their sexuality. That's all! Doesn't make them closet cases.

 

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HapNStance's picture

Did anyone see tonight's episode?

Kurt's interaction with his dad seems to echo some of this discussion. It was very well acted and did send some clear messages. Not the least of which is life is complicated and you've got to make the best of ambiguous situations. The one thing that was sad for me was that Defying Gravity had so much more relevance when Kurt sang it. Even Lea's voice couldn't take that away. I was surprised Shu didn't make it a duet. But that wouldn't have furthered the plot. And finally, while I think that Chris's interviews have been unambiguous, I am continuously amazed at the vitriol that flows in these forums if someone seems to make a misstep when coming out. It's truly disheartening for us to eat our own this way. I'm thinking of getting the big red G tattooed on my own forehead, in case someone accuses me of not being out enough.

And speaking of closets, didn't Sue's visit to her sister with Down Syndrome bring a tear...

Nous Sommes Tous Sauvages.

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afhickman's picture

Faux real!

So "Glee" is a show with fake teenagers, fake paraplegics, and, now you tell us, fake gays.  Surprise, surprise--it's television, folks!  It ain't the real thing.  You who are seeking role models would be better off looking elsewhere.  And as for 19-year-old boys and girls who are in the closet one day and out the next, welcome to the world of young adults and welcome to the world of celebrity!  I remember looking for role models when I was a young man, and I thought I'd found them in celebrities like David Bowie and Maria Schneider and others who sorta kinda maybe came out and then, like Blake's Thel, hightailed it back to the shelter of the closet.  I found much more reliable role models in writers and other artists like William Burroughs and Gore Vidal who, for all their faults, at least had the courage of their convictions.  Most of them flaunted their credentials as sexual outlaws and are still condesended to by mainstream critics as a result, but at least they stuck to their guns.  Yes, I know how hard it is for a young performer to come out today; the problem is they don't always know themselves.  So when they stick a tentative foot in the water, and the water turns out to be bitterly cold, I can't blame them for pulling back.  As a result, I am slow to judge Chris and others.  The media spotlight is merciless.  I can only imagine what it must be like to lead a normal life--dating and "hanging out" at the clubs--in Hollywood, when, quite literally, the whole world is watching. 

Oddly, attention in the mainstream press is focused today, not on Chris, but on Kevin McHale, who, it turns out, isn't really wheelchair-bound.  Cheat?  Do advocates for the handicapped have a right to be up in arms?  I guess they do.  Just as gays have a right to be impatient with Chris Colfer.  But we don't have anything to complain about in his character, Kurt Hummel, who is indeed a doll (joke!) and an out gay teen.  We just need to learn to separate the real from the fake.  It's too early to judge Chris, who may yet offer a clarification of his recent remarks in the press, but it's all right to celebrate Kurt.  You go, girl! Or words to that effect.

"The mountain has wings."

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afhickman's picture

Don't kill the messenger

If I am getting beat up in the ratings because of the Kevin McHale fracas, just remember I didn't start it.  Here's Kevin's defense on PopEater:

http://www.popeater.com/2009/11/11/glee-star-kevin-mchale-defends-able-bodied-casting-choice/ 

If I'm getting beat up because I said that celebrities have added a revolving door to the closet, get over it or prove me wrong.

If I am getting beat up because you didn't like my Hummel doll joke, I officially retract it.

If I'm getting beat up because you're sick and tired of seeing my username on AE, let me know and I'm outta here (only to come back under a different username, parrot breath--whahahahaha!). 

But, please, quit giving out low ratings just because you wet the crib this morning.

"The mountain has wings."

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virgo108's picture

'But, please, quit giving

'But, please, quit giving out low ratings just because you wet the crib this morning."

You, I love!

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Bountiful's picture

People need time to understand their own self identity

Yes, sexual orientation is ingrained. But it can take people time to get to know themselves.

I describe myself as straight, which is like telling people that I live in the northwest part of my city. A more precise description would be to say I am "straight-ish" with bi tendancies. (Yes, it's kind of a cliche for women, I know.) This took me some time to figure out, and I went through a period of not knowing how to define myself. Now, I am able to tell those people whose business it is, the more detailed explanation, which is the equivalent of telling them that I live on 37 Main St. 

Young people need time to figure themselves out, and figure out their specific adress... which street, which avenue, what suite #, before they can even tell other people the general area they live in.

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Knightgee's picture

I agree completely.

I've known I was gay since I was a kid. I didn't come to grips with what that meant till I was in junior high. I just always knew I was different in some way. I'm still coming to grips with it now at 19, but the thing is, I didn't come out on my own terms, I was forced out, by someone who thought that making me come out would help me. All it did was build resentment at that person and a whole slew of different issues. It wasn't until long after that time that I was able to really get a hold on what it meant to be gay and have any kind of pride in that. So I am hesitant about condemning anyone for not wanting to reveal that kind of info about themselves, because realizing that you're gay and that you're gay and proud of it are two different places to find yourself in and I would hate for someone who is not at the latter step to be forced out of the closet or to be forced to reveal private info simply to satisfy someone else's curiosities.

As a side note, this idea of entitlement people have is ridiculous. Someone being a celebrity does not mean we are entitled to know the intimate details(or any details) of their private lives. The president is arguably the most recognizable face in America and I think it would be ludicrous for us to expect to be privy to the intimate details of his personal life and daily habits. The same with any other profession. Acting is no different. These people don't offer up their private lives for view, we as a people are simply more fascinated with their lives than our hum-drum existance and we happen to be lucky enough to have "journalists" willing to quench our thirst. Yes, people like Britney and Hilton air their personal drama in public simply to get attention, but that doesn't mean we are entitled to every celebrities every little detail. They are still people and they still have a right to privacy. And before someone starts, this is not a double standard. While I might be interested about a celebrities life, I would not expect him to feel any kind of obligation to reveal intimate details about his life that he doesn't want to, be he straight or gay. It's none of my business and I don't have any right to that information. To assume otherwise is ridiculous.

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Matt 's picture

Chris Colfer

I dont know that he really retreated back intot he closet, and we dont know what his agents and handlers are telling him to say either. I think there are layers of people telling him what to do, and what to say. I agree that there is no mystery to being gay, and that are probably gay teens out there watching Glee and hearing about Chris Colfer and thinking "someone like me" and 'Im not the only one!" who isnt just a character on the show, but also like them in "real life".  I think we need to give him some space and perhaps he will clarify what he meant.  I still LOVE Glee, and thought last nights episode was GREAT! Who knew that Sue had a softer side, that was such a touching moment with her sister... Loved it!

"LIVE! LIVE! LIVE!  Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death!" Mame Dennis Burnside - Auntie Mame 1958 

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nordic balance's picture

hmmmmm

In my opinion I think he just changed his mind about how "out" he wanted to be.  It's his right to do so but he should have been more careful about how he was answering the questions in hs Advocate article.  I don't quite understand why a straight actor, when asked if he was out in high school, would reply with "oh no".  As far as I know straight kids have no closet to come out of.  So I can understand why The Advocate took that response as an indication that he was declaring himself gay.

I also don't believe that because he's only 19 that it automatically means he's confused about who or what he is.  I've known men in their 30s and 40s who were more unsure about their sexuality than some 19 year olds. 

He had to realize that taking on this role as a gay teenager meant his own sexuality would be questioned.  So he should have been ready to answer the questions in a way he would be comfortable with.

David Ehrenstein's picture

Here's The Bottom Line

Do we accept our gayness or do we feel shame for it?

Hoyden's picture

Who says he feels shame for

Who says he feels shame for it????? You? Because you and he have been friends for so many years and talk and talk. 
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David Ehrenstein's picture

I wasn't talking about him

I was talking about YOU, and other defenders of the closet.

Clearly you're deeply ashamed of being gay.  

 

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Hoyden's picture

LOL, Oh clearly.  Look

LOL, Oh clearly.  Look everyone, eyes this way please.  I'm deeply, deeply ashamed of being gay and David has called me on it.  Thank god he has, maybe now I can work through all my deep-seated emotional conflict and one day, god willing, I will be as strong and healthy an expression of gayness as David himself.  Ok, maybe that's aiming too high, maybe I'll just be evolved enough to clean his shoes.  How increadible it is that he was able to so accurately profile me based on a few posts on a comment thread where I shared the fact that I wasn't sure what label to use on myself when I was 19 and expressed my dissapointment that a bunch of gay people felt the need to sit around and berate another gay person because he just wasn't gay enough in interviews for our liking.

Dr Phil step aside, Oprah make way, David's here to save the day!!

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David Ehrenstein's picture

I've several pairs of shoes that need polishing, Hoyden

and a pair of boots as well.
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Hoyden's picture

Seriously though, you are

Seriously though, you are obviously an intelligent, well-spoken man with a life-time of experience and a plethora of opinions.  It just seems to me a waste that you, and everyone else in here, are spending so much time arguing about a non-issue.  There are so many fights to be fought against REAL homophobia.  So many minds to be changed, to be made more flexible, aware, are these really the minds you feel the need to work on?  No one here is legitimately arguing the merits of staying in the closet.  We're simply asking for a bit less of judgemental attitude about a number of vague quotes by a 19 year old guy who happens to be a tiny bit famous.  Lets try making it more attractive to come out of the closet (come join this great group of people, an accepting, diverse family), rather than adding to the reasons that you should stay in (we'll analyse every quote we read, looking for reasons to attack you).  People are being beaten to death, legal rights are being lost in states across america and in countries across the world, the internet is teeming with ignorant dicks who would benefit from our collective educational efforts.   Lets just leave this one alone and fight our enemies rather than each other.

Wow, re-reading my post, that all sounds very soap-boxy, but you know, I'm not going to change it cause I'm honestly exhasperated.

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David Ehrenstein's picture

It goes without saying that there are more important issues

"People are being beaten to death, legal rights are being lost in states across america and in countries across the world, the internet is teeming with ignorant dicks who would benefit from our collective educational efforts."

 

And that ain't the half of it. But who WE are and how we regard ourselves and the world is the basis from which we fight back. And that's where Cofler's mendacity coems in.

 

 

Hoyden's picture

But are YOU helping how WE

But are YOU helping how WE regard ourselves when someone makes a couple of ambiguous comments and you brand them a liar, and anyone who says ease up on the kid is ashamed of being gay.

Over on youtube right now there is a serious discussion going on in the videos of the moronic Cassie Dill as to whether women are innately inferior to men.  She believes so and unfortunately so do the majority of her viewiers....also, aparently, breast cancer advocates suck! 

Towleroad also has a wonderful thread about a straight british couple who have registered for a civil partnership as a protest against what they see as marriage segregation in the UK.  The coments are overwhelmingly postive, apart from a few doozies like this:  "This haterosexual couple wants a civil partnership because it's easier to divorce in one. Notice how they only talk about getting into a civil partnership and not about how gay couples are excluded from marriage and how civil partnerships were set up specifically because haterosexuals didn't want gay people to be on a level playing field with them."  Um pretty sure that's what they're fighting for.

I go elsewhere to argue with porely educated morons, I come here to commiserate with compasionate advocates and friends in a well-moderated and respectful arena.

I honestly believe that this isn't the argument you think it is.  This is not an argument on the merits of outing, a debate about whether being in the closet is good for you or your career, or anything else.  This is an argument between a group of people, some who agree that a 19 year old celebrity should maybe be given some room to grow into his sexuality and his public face (he's been famous for what, two months now?), and once he turns 21 AE considers him fair game.  And you are arguing....what exactly?  Would you like them to ask once you turn 18? 17? 16?  What age do you feel is appropriate?  Having re-read all your posts I am still not sure what point you trying to make us all realise to help us be ready for the fight against the outside world?

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David Ehrenstein's picture

The point I'm trying to make

has to do with the way we regard our sexuality -- as reflected in the free pass so many in here are willing to give Colfer for his mendacity.

I frequently find that the minute one criticizes a gay "celebrity" his defenders start talking about being gay in ways that are clearyl refelctive of their own painful coming out exerpeices. Well he is not you. That's a piece of new a lot of people aren't willing to confront. He's not an anonymous person but an actor on a hit series. Like all actors he confects a "sef" of sorts for public consumption and publicity purposes. And so he comes out. Great news. Then he decides he wants to go back in. NOT great news.

The age thing works in two ways in the midst of this. He's 19 in actual life, but he's playing a character who's a lot younger. Many of the comments in here confuse the actor with the character vis-a-vis age (ie."But he's so young!")

To quote Carol Burnett "He's your baby-- don't leave him crying in my arms!" 

 

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Darrien's picture

The only mendacity here is yours

David, you're ascribing words and motives to Colfer that haven't actually been said or proved.

OK, I understand why you're fueling this debate. You want a discussion about 'openess' and somehow Colfer has fallen into your lap (you wish) as a convenient patsy.

But you're the cynical one here. You're using a kid to make a point you've been making for years - and you're screwing this kid's ass for all you're worth because you don't give a damn about him and instead you want to create sensation that vindicates you and your view of life.

Fair enough, David, you've proven that you're as callous as every studio head who kept their star in the closet. Does that make you proud?

None of this is making you a good man, David. All you're doing is being as controlling as any heterosexual press agent. You've gone native, man. You've forgotten you're a gay man and now think you're a Hollywood player. All those things you used to rage against, you've become.

Stop it. You're worth more than this. Seriously, stop attacking Colfer and go back to what you used to believe and why you used to be so important. You're not so old that you can get away with being this stupid and cranky.

You used to be important and you should be important. You've said fantastic, wonderful things in the past. Now get over yourself. Understand your own importance and - yes, I'm saying again - stop beating up a 19-year-old. It is really beneath you.

I feel like a fool writing this, but grow up. The constant crap you've posted on this thread is doing nothing to advance your reputation or all the good work you've done in the past.

Man, I believe you're better than this - can you please do the same?

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David Ehrenstein's picture

I am not " a good man" by your definition

Nor have I ever pretended to be. I am a gay activist. I don't tolerate mendacity. That's what makes me "cynical."

 

"You used to be important and you should be important. You've said fantastic, wonderful things in the past. Now get over yourself. Understand your own importance and - yes, I'm saying again - stop beating up a 19-year-old. It is really beneath you. "

 

You have the soul of a Hall Monitor.

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No, but like Jack Nicholson, you can be a "better" man

Or should I have said "bitter"?  I think 19 is quite young; most of my students are that age and half of them don't know enough to shower every day.  Stay out of the smaller elevators on campus, I say!  But when I defended 22-year-old Alexander Rybak for misspeaking at the Eurovision contest earlier this year (when he appeared to be making cavalier statements about gay protesters at the event), posters on AE almost unanimously countered that he was old enough to know better.  And Rybak wasn't even speaking in his native language!  Words go on the permanent record.  We are what we speak.  Chris' words will no doubt come back to haunt him, but I will personally be more interested in the substance of what he has to say in, oh, about ten years. 

"The mountain has wings."

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David Ehrenstein's picture

Ten Years?

I'm giving him ten minutes.
Nate's picture

Merry Christmas David

men⋅da⋅cious

1. telling lies, esp. habitually; dishonest; lying; untruthful: a mendacious person.
2. false or untrue: a mendacious report.

You weren't on my Christmas list this year David, but you are now as obviously you need a dictionary (I will tell you the page "liar" is on in the included card). Beating the dead horse again, Chris didn't lie. At this point your posts are making me laugh out loud. Thank you for that.

David Ehrenstein's picture

Merry Christmas To You Too

And here's the grand finale to my favorite Christmas movie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqTgwbgM0qg&feature=related