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This Thursday "Rob, Arnie & Dawn Show" to apologize for hateful transgender remarks. Eleven companies pull advertising.

GLAAD is reporting they talked by phone with the management of KRXQ concerning the horribly transphobic remarks made by brainstems talk show hosts Rob and Arnie who last week suggested the way to deal with a transgender child was to hit them and have society beat them down. I'd be tempted to say something about hitting and beating someone myself, but I'm channeling my inner Gandhi instead and will refrain.

Says GLAAD:  

KRXQ has assured us that the June 11th follow-up show will be conducted in a “frank and positive manner.” It was explicitly stated to us that we will hear an apology from the radio hosts and listeners will be able to call in. As always, we remind everyone to be respectful and civil when calling into the show.

Kim Pearson, the Trans Youth Family Allies Executive Director, will be joined by Autumn Sandeen, a Pam’s House Blend contributor and transgender advocate, to try and educate Rob and Arnie about what it means to at least pretend to be a human being. All I can say is that this apology better be good

GLAAD also announced that Guitar Center joined McDonalds, Wells Fargo and Nissan in pulling advertising from the station. See, Ghandi knew what he was talking about! 

notoriouslyunique's picture

Remember Dawn

I won't be able to call in because I'm in another country

But I urge the guys to call to thank the woman host, Dawn, for taking a stand and responding well to her co-host buffoons

After all, we need to give positive reinforcement to open and accepting people to encourage others to become open an accepting as well

Lyn's picture

This Saturday

Your heading says that they will be apologizing on Saturday, but I thought this would be happening during their "special" show on Thursday June 11 at 7:30 AM. Which is it?

What I find equally appalling about this whole thing is this is not the first time this show has been censorsed for this kind of statements about children. Twice before they have been force to apoligize for making insensitive comments about SIDS and child abuse, even receiving a fine from the FCC. I cannot help but think part of their 26 hour marathon was to "make-up" for these past errors. This kind of insensitivity cannot be allowed to continue. I truly hope this is not another let's say we're sorry and keep on doing the same old thing.

Michael Jensen's picture

When I looked up the 11th, my calendar was on July

so I got the day wrong. Fixed now. Thanks for the catch!
Nukely's picture

Peak

At Huffington, Michael Rowe spoke with an advocate who has been working to curtail the show for years, Mr. Peak, a man who has recorded airings of the show in order to offer evidence to the FCC (who, in the past, fined the station after receiving the evidence)
Peak wrote:
This has been going on for years. This has nothing to do with free speech, in my opinion. I'd be the first person to take a bullet for free speech. But when you start hitting a kid with a shoe for being different, or say that you hope 'life' will 'take care of them' because they're gay, or transgender, or because they're different, that's not 'free speech,' it's hate speech. They're cowards. They run out and say these things, and when everyone gets upset, they hide behind the Constitution. It's one of the most cowardly things to do, instead of saying, 'Look, we stepped over the line. We've done it before, we didn't mean to do it. And we're really and truly sorry.'
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Kaeruko's picture

Mmm, chicken nugguts

I fear this "apology" will be on par with Fox's  "We're sorry if you got offended by our homophobic editing" apology a couple weeks ago.

 

People that actually whistle while they work deserve what they get.

bobbyjean's picture

RAD

I was dissapointed that they were not on the air this morning and it kind of ruined my drive to work.  I think it slightly hypocritical that the GLBT community believe they OWE us this apology.  We can laugh and joke about other minorities and populations but not ourselves?  These people had an "open mouth, insert foot" moment.  Welcome to the club!  Are they entitled free speech only if and when it doesn't offend anyone (especially us because we must be represented only as we see fit)?  There are thousands of ways the GLBT community utilize the right to free speech; example radio, internet, rallies, government, this web sight and many others like this one, etc.  This show has never advocated for the mistreatment of any race, religion, national origin, sex, or sexual orientation, and NEVER the mistreatment for children.  They may joke and kid around to lighten up more serious topics because it is for light-hearted entertainment purposes only and not a political, or PC show and never claim to be.  Call me what you will, but I really think we need to step back and choose our battles more wisely.  This is not where we should be focused right now.
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Nukely's picture

dear wise old Troll

It is unfortunate that anyone believes that what was said on RAD was okay, even more so if that someone is an (alleged*) member of the LGBT community. You have a lot to learn, my friend.

The problem is profound enough that 11 major, national and trusted advertisers withdrew their ads along with announcements of their disappointment and disgust with the show. This isn't "light hearted entertainment" it is hate speech driven by bigotry. The only unfortunate thing is that it has been allowed to continue for so long.

 

* When ever I read these posts that urge us to empathize with them so they won't lose their show, and there are many all across the internets, my first thought is "which pathetic bastard is really behind all these posts, Rob or Arnie?" Well, last week one of them threatened to walk off the show if they were "forced" to apologize on air. We can only hope.

nordic balance's picture

Choose our battles wisely? 

Choose our battles wisely?  I can't imagine a better battle to fight.  This is where it starts.  The little things that get dismissed as trifles cause the problems in the end.  Diseases begin with very minor symptoms.  Treat them early and you may weather the storm.  Wait for the cancer to spread, and you are screwed.   
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Androjai's picture

AGREED!!

 I totally agree with you! This is EXACTLY the kind of battle that needs to be fought!

Gay and lesbian rights are not special rights in any way. It isn't "special" to be free from discrimination. It is an ordinary, universal entitlement of citizenship."

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flaca247's picture

Rob, Arnie and Dawn

Wells Fargo, Nissan, Carl's Jr., B of A, Guitar Center, McDonald's, Verizon, AT&T, Sonic, Chipotle, Snapple - all businesses I will no longer support.  I will not listen to KRXQ until the Rob, Arnie and Dawn show returns.  I'm so tired of the politically correct garbage.  This country is going to hell in a hand basket on a rocket ship when someone can't use farce, satire, or exaggeration to get an opinion across.  EVERYBODY is going to be offended by something, sometime in this country as long as we have freedom of speech.  I have been offended by Rob, Arnie and Dawn before and have just TURNED OFF THE RADIO! 

This blogger at the Huffington Post and GLAAD are merely advocating shutting off opinions that aren't similar to their own.  They are going about it by constructing a lie that some on the show advocate child abuse.  It makes me sick.  Anyone who supports freedom of speech in this country, please write to the companies above and let them know they will no longer get your consumer dollars.  As a business in the U.S., they have the complete freedom to bend to special interest groups.  As a citizen of a country that is, at the moment, still somewhat free - I have the right not to use their establishments/products.

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Nukely's picture

Dear Ms Troll

You have turned off your brain, obviously. You have turned off your heart as well. You disrespect others. You don't care for anyones' rights but your own. Shame on you. You should turn off the radio. And go crawl back under your rock. Forever.

Please remember that Jesus advocated love, not the hate you are feeding into.

 

Darrien's picture

Freedom of Speech

Flaca247, you seem to be confused about free speech. Rob , Arnie & Dawn all engaged their right to free speech and said things that other people disagreed with (well, not so much Dawn). Those people who disagreed then engaged their right to free speech to air their disagreement and asked others to join them in voicing a rejection of child abuse.

All Rob and Arnie needed to have done was say: 'Look it was a bad taste joke that got out of control. We sincerely don't advocate anyone beating up their kids. We apologise to those we offended and won't do it again.'

Instead we get all this crap about free speech and political corrrectness and First Ammendment rights. This isn't a free speech issue, this is a common sense issue. Any grown-up would have just admitted their mistake, apologised and moved on. We've had so many people who've signed on to this site just to justify the radio show that I understand and accept that these guys have done really good things in the past. But that's not a way of defending someone who does something stupid now.

Look at it this way, we gays have people like George Michael and Boy George who can be seriously embarrassing. I'm not going to waste my time defending them when they fuck up just because they've donated money to charities (many millions in the case of George Michael) or had relatives who've died from cancer or I like their music. If they screw up, they screw up and the measure of their worth is based on how they handle current and future events. Judge them as mature human adults - not as gays or entertainers.

So can we just have a break from people signing up on AE to justify Rob and Arnie. You've got a very thin argument to work with in the first place and I think you've stretched it beyond breaking point.

Nukely's picture

trolls

These folks are members of the virtual chirstian militia. They have never been to AE in the past and are unlikely to return. They sign up to a news reader and troll the links to publications and blogs where they can leave the same post. They will lie or say what ever it takes to protect their narrow and bigoted view of humanity as seen thru the eyes of an evil God.

When they return to post a second time it is merely because the page was refreshed in a news reader because of recent comments or edits.

 

Darrien's picture

Point taken

You make a good point, as ever. But, frankly, don't we deserve better trolling? Is it too much to ask that some of these people think at least once before they post? There are people on this site who regularly post stuff I disagree with, but they have the virtue of being witty or pertinent or intelligent - and sometimes all three.

I'll rely on your wisdom here, but isn't there some kind of Troll Central organisation to which we can write and agree terms that we'll do charity work with their trolls, but we'll need certain standards of rational thought/argument before giving them an internship?

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Nukely's picture

on the floor

Darrien wrote:
But, frankly, don't we deserve better trolling?
You had me on my knees, literally, with that.

Yes we do deserve better trolling, damn it!

I think I am falling in love with you, (is this the first time I wrote that?)

Darrien's picture

:-)

Liz T's picture

wow

I wonder how many members have joined afterelton simply to bitch about us not getting the 'satire' or them having a different viewpoint than us.

i have a right to bear arms, yes? i have all these freedoms and stuff, and from what i constantly read, i am able to do as i please.

well, tell you what....if i buy a gun, maybe i'll go out one day and shoot my neighbor just because, well....hey, right to bear arms! gives me a right to exercise that, correct?

I think i am right. good to know.

we all need to stop getting so damn upset whenever a kid goes into school and shoots his classmates or when people use slurs like 'nigger' or faggot or whatever  else slurs are out there.

i dare someone to tell me that is entirely different. go ahead.

 

Jared's picture

daring

Reading the post above this made makes me sick. How the hell is the right to bear arms translate into killing your neighbor. The 1st amendment can be translated into 100 different meanings. But taking someone saying they would beat there kid if he wore high heels and comparing it to killing your neighbor is not only ignorant it’s appalling. I’m straight, I’m not Christian nor am I against gay marriage. I have 3 gay friends, I have co-workers that I’ve trained that are gay and have nothing against the gay community except the way they’re handing the opposition with demanding tolerance. What was said by Arnie was disturbing to think a grown man still is that closed minded, but fighting it by silencing him or demanding an apology isn’t going to help the situation. Didn't anyone learn from prop 8 what happens when you demand something from the American public. To take a stand against the remarks and let it be known that you disagree whole heartily is one thing but to start comparing words to actions or to think rob and arnie would actually beat their children is ridiculous. Chris Rock has a whole stand up bit about parents needing to beat their kids’ ass when they screw up because it kept him out of trouble.  He did not single out a group of people or a minority so no ever said claimed he was advocating violence towards children. Rob and Arnie absolutely do not advocate violence towards kids, their remarks were out of line and very hurtful to the gay and lesbian community. An apology is appropriate but demanding it is hypocritical. I've heard rob and arnie say things about cancer patients and victims that have almost brought me to tears due to the fact that I’ve lost close and immediate family lose their life to that disease. It's a subject that I have a hard time taking lightly. I don't like the things they have said but I wouldn’t demand an apology because I know if it was a real situation in either of there lives it wouldn’t be a joking matter. They are shock jocks it’s their job to keep a stern wall up and try to stay numb to emotion on the air. It’s not there true stance on the topic nor does a statement like that erase all the good they have done and the lives they have affected in a positive way. I know most of you have said the things they've done in the past doesn’t give them a get out of jail free card and I agree. I hope as a community you lead with an example of tolerance even if you disagree with someone’s statement or opinion. Not only will you win your fight, people who don’t share your struggles with start supporting you on good character alone. Earning the respect of someone who disagrees with you can lead to great things.

Liz T's picture

"How the hell is the right

"How the hell is the right to bear arms translate into killing your neighbor. The 1st amendment can be translated into 100 different meanings."

^ the reason i made such a comparison is because we have free speech. therefore, we can say whatever we want, consequence or not. why is the right to bear arms any different? we all have the right to own guns, but it is HOW we choose to handle the guns that can have an effect. same with free speech.

i think every amendment can be translated into 100 different meanings, but people tend to stick with just what they read.

"But taking someone saying they would beat there kid if he wore high heels and comparing it to killing your neighbor is not only ignorant it’s appalling."

^ so beating your kid is not as worse as possibly killing an adult neighbor? OK. good to know.