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"Star Trek" fanboys react to "gay" episode by setting phasers to "whine"


Peter Kirk
: Can you believe how many straight boys we're freaking out just by kissing!
Alex Freeman: I know! What a bunch of Romulan weenies!

Last week we wrote about the Star Trek: Next Generation episode "Blood and Fire" just released by the fan site Phase II that injected a desperately needed dose of queer into the Trek universe.

Curious how the episode was playing amongst the teeming hordes of straight Trek fans, I beamed over to TrekMovie.com and found a review of the episode posted on that site. Then I read the comments. Dear, dear, dear — talk about troubles with Tribbles.

Here are some of the comments.

From Mark:

I think the episode would have been better without the gay scene. In fact, I think you could have replaced the Freeman character with a woman, and very little of the drama would be removed. Having the gay scene means, as a father, I’m not sure if my eight-year-old son should watch this episode. He’s seen and enjoyed all the others. I’ve never had to worry about screening anything Star Trek before. ... I also think the gay storyline is the least interesting thing about the episode. The real drama is how Captain Kirk is going to avoid killing Spock and the others and still do the right thing. If Peter Kirk had been in love with a female crew member, I think all the great drama of the story would still be there. Also, younger kids could see what is essentially a very cool Star Trek episode.

From Brad:

What the hell is with the two guys dry-humping each other?? I’m sorry, but I’ve just lost a TON of respect for the Phase Two guys. Pushing blatant homosexuality in our faces is NOT the kind of Star Trek I want to watch! >:o( Completely uncalled for and not in the spirit of Star Trek. Disgusting!! 

From Steve:

Is there really a need to shove the gay relationship down the throat of the viewers and try to preach to the viewers that such a relationship is ok?

Sigh, it's almost as predictable as a redshirt character getting offed on an away mission. And I didn't include any of the shockingly ignorant comments about AIDS.

It just cracks me up to read these guys going on about how hard it was to sit through the 3 1/2 minute "gay" scene and how blatant the sexuality was. Yeah, because Star Trek has always been so subtle about male heterosexuality.

Jeri Ryan as Seven-of-Nine, a character completely appropriate for four-year-olds — as long as they are still breast feeding

The women of Star Trek

Clearly, male heterosexuality has nothing to do with these female characters. Hey, in the future, finding material to make clothing out of is very hard to do thereby requiring very short and/or skintight dresses.  And those breasts are only so perky because there is no gravity in space! 

And let's not forget Mudd's women who were basically being sold off to men. 

Because objectifying women as items to be traded is just the message to send to young children. As long as they aren't being traded to other women. That would just be disgusting!

Ai yi yi! Talk about heterosexual privilege!

Listen up all you straight boys who have a problem with this episode because I have a few things to say. First off, shut up already. You do not own Star Trek or science fiction. I've endured four decades of Star Trek doing nothing but "shoving heterosexuality down my throat" and survived just fine. Grow a pair and deal with it.

Second of all, no, you can not object to gay content that is comparable to straight content, whine how you don't want to see it and it isn't right, and then claim you aren't homophobic. Yes, you are homopohobic. Change or grow a pair and deal with it. 

Third, if you think your four-year-old, eight-year-old or whatever-old is old enough to watch a crewman be graphically devoured by bloodworms or to ogle Jeri Ryan's ginormous bazooms, then they are old enough to know that sometimes men fall in love with men and that they even kiss. And get married. Again, GROW A PAIR!

That being said, it must be noted that there are many positive comments on the site that are from straight men including James Cawley, Phase II's executive producer, who is in large part responsible for getting the episode made. While it is very disheartening to know that even in 2009 a single episode of an online fan series can generate this much homophobia (imagine the straight-boy vapors that would happen if the actual Star Trek movie next summer included a gay character!) it is very heartening to know that there are also a lot of straight guys who do get it. At least they can boldly go where these others cannot. 

GaySpouseDotCom's picture

Just an observation... about homophobes

ever notice the homophobic responses are always strangely phrased in fellatio-descriptive language ("pushing homosexuality in our faces"... "down our throats"... and so forth). Can we say latent homosexuals, anyone? :P

Also, it sounds like the father has not had "the talk" with his son or else he'd not be so uptight. And it has apparently (get it ap-parent-ly) not occurred to him his son may be gay; this father sounds like he thinks gay people sprout from tree branches fully grown or something. That father may also just be expressing his discomfort at having to now explain the frequent "fishing and hunting trips" he takes with his "male friends" even though he doesn't own a gun or a tackle box. :P

Hawk's picture

And this is why...

The episode was not done for regular ST series. 

I love how they bash them for doing this AFTER watching the ep.  Not like it was not WELL KNOWN for what this ep content was going to include.

I for one comend them for actually making the ep.  They did not have to do it at all, it could have stayed on the shelf for another 20+ years before it was even considered. 

This is actaully what people keep saying needs to be done with "get exposure and get people used to the idea" making it as you can change one of the characters to a female and still "works".  But let's not let your 8 year old watch "normal" homosexual kissing and love...

I for one love their ep's.  They are getting better and better with each one.  Even having Sulu, chekov, (god rest her soul) the first lady of ST (Majel Barrett Roddenberry) for the computer voice, and so on, is a nice touch.  But I can't wait to see where they take it from here.  Just watching the new ST movie trailer, I will not go see it, even being such a ST fan.  the trailer alone has about 5 things "WRONG" with it, like the ship being built on ground, the more emotional outburst from Spock than all of Enterprise put together, etc.  I say they should have had the Phase II folks do the movie, would prob have been better.

 

 

Psionycx's picture

One comment was so ironic

"I think the episode would have been better without the gay scene. In fact, I think you could have replaced the Freeman character with a woman, and very little of the drama would be removed."

 

Funny, that's exactly how I have felt about a lot of the hetero things that have been done on Star Trek.

Of course all this spew reflects the traditional arrogance of heterosexual privilege.  Why should any homosexuality ever be allowed to detract from their enjoyment. It's kind of ironic because the "spirit"of Roddenberry's Trek was respect for other people. Yet these folks seem to live in an entirely selfish world where even the thought that there might be gay Trekkers is offensive.

ghasedak's picture

crazy

iam sorry for them because with those picture of women i wont allow a8 years old boy watch the show and i dont know whats the problem with gay?? i think alex and peter were so cute i was just smilling and iam worried about next episode i dont want alex to die
Hawk's picture

One other thing..

Reading some of the comments I LOVE James' (if it actually is him) and his:

 

25. James Cawley - December 20, 2008

First off, they are not “Dry Humping” if that is what you see, then you must be doing something wrong in your own bedroom. I do not need or want your respect. I believe in complete EQUALITY for people regardless of who they sleep with , what God they believe in, or what color they are, or anything else. THAT is the future Gene Roddenberry envisioned, and that is the one I want to be a part of. If I upset you with the content of this episode and I even for a moment made you think, I did my job.
James Cawley

 

But most comments seem to be on the better side of things...  which is a good thing in itself.

 

 

Dave Doty's picture

Trek Fandom

It's probably worth noting that a site devoted to the new film may not be the most representative of Trekkers - most of the long-time Trek fans are probably hanging out in other fora.  This site is probably attracting JJ Abrams fans as much as Trek fans.

In general, I've found my one-on-one interactions with ST fans to range from tries-to-be-tolerant-but-clearly-has-issues to very gay-friendly.  If I were more of a fan, I'd probably be able to point to more representative sites.
Crabby Lioness's picture

I will forever regret that

I will forever regret that Weiss, Star Trek's award-winning costume designer, only got to make one beefcake episode.  *Goes to happy place imagining more costumes like they had on Venus One.*

*Stays in happy place remembering Russell T. Davies arguing Doctor Who costumer Louise Page into cutting Quintus' mini-tunic as short as possible.*

rozz01's picture

Fanboys

I know Majel Barrett would of been pleased... She often spoke about how it was Rodenberry's plan to include LGBT characters on STNG.  May she rest in Peace...
purple_squirrel's picture

  god I remember seeing

 

god I remember seeing Seven-of-Nine and being like.. whoooaaa.. thats.. well.. oookay! can't belive thats on TV

so these guys.. their actions weren't more sexual than the straight characters were they? i doubt it but haven't seen it. so these ppl are silly whingers.. grrr

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Psionycx's picture

I must have laughed..

I must have laughed for five minutes straight when they unveiled her post-Borg new look.  It was just so blatant what demographic they were going after, especially since they were writing off the mousy Kes.