"Big Brother 10": Well, that didn't take long
And I had such high hopes for this season of Big Brother. Obviously, I'm a fool. After last season, and the debacle that was Joshuah, this season started out promisingly with the inclusion of gay cowboy Steven. He seemed intelligent, sensitive, and well spoken, and I was looking forward to getting to know him better (and I had decided to overlook the fact that he chews tobacco and dresses like Larry the Cable Guy). On the first Big Brother After Dark show (which I usually just skim through looking for pickle), I actually stopped and watched it every time he came onscreen, and I really became enamored of his sense of humour and the fact that he seemed genuinely likeable (and the fact that he kept promising to eventually get naked for the cameras didn't hurt). Unfortunately, it's taken less than a week for him to embarrass himself. In a discussion about housemate Libra, Steven uttered this cringe-worthy, regrettable complaint: "That colored girl ain't controlling nothing." Oh dear. Hearing him say that makes this pre-season statement from him seem like a self-fullfilling prophecy: "If you make a mistake and say the wrong things, you may offend people and be known for that forever," "People make mistakes. If I do make a mistake, I hope I can learn from it and know that was some part of my life that I was ignorant or uneducated about." Well, Steven, here's your chance. Hopefully, you can learn from it. I've been on message boards where people are trying to excuse it by saying "Well, he's from the South, and people still talk like that." Sorry, that doesn't wash. This is 2008, and no reasonably intelligent person could possibly believe that using the word "colored" is acceptable. Libra made her own faux pas, though, by saying this about Steven's over-sensitivity: "I don't think he's a man, I think he's a female". This could be a very long season. You can see the clip of Steven after the break, and when there's more news about this season's gay housemate, we'll keep you updated. Submitted by on Tue, 2008-07-15 10:03. |
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Well ...
Sigh ... and I had such high hopes for this season, too. And not only that, it seems as though he may align with uber-conservative Dan.
I still think Steven means well, though, so I'll give him another chance. But still, I really cannot understand how anyone born after 1970 can even utter "colored" today, especially someone who's educated and already has faced discrimination.
Hmm ... I just hope he doesn't turn out to be another Joshua, or I'll jump ship like last season.
Well I was born after 1970,
Well I was born after 1970, and also a lot of my family is mixed race (through marriage just in case you're wondering ;)), and I don't see how saying 'coloured' can be taken offensively. But obviously I don't live in the US, and I didn't live through the civil rights movement so I must not get what's so wrong about it. *shrugs* It's funny how different words offend different people isn't it? I mean I would get more offended if I was black and was called black, because technically black people are more brown than black. But what the hey. I thought it was quite interesting how Darnell from UK's Big Brother (who is a black Albino) regards anyone who isn't albino as 'coloured' because albinos have no colour whatsoever and the rest of us do.
*le sigh* Political Correctness is a very complicated business.
Sigh to your post
Sigh to your post too...
But surely if you can make an allowance for an old man who might say it, can't you make an allowance because he comes from the South, and that's what they call black people down there? People are too oversensitive nowadays, just because he said it doesn't make him a bad person. In the same way that I don't like the word 'queer' but everyone seems to use it on this site...I don't think of them any less. It sounds to me that he only used it as a sign of description, he could of said 'that girl' but then the person might have asked 'which girl?' Even I say ooo that black man over there, or that old granny over there when i'm pointing a person out to someone. It doesn't mean I have issues with race or with old people. It just makes it more obvious who you are talking about. So why does this has to be made a big deal out of? If he had said the n-word I could understand, but 'coloured' I do not.
it must be an American thing, then
because it hasn't been appropriate to use "colored" since the sixties. (the 70's if you're Archie Bunker). As a college educated man in America, there's no reason why Steven wouldn't be aware of that.
or maybe it's all about the "u". for some reason you brits INSIST on sticking u in words where IT DOES NOT BELONG! STOP IT!!! ;)
Your view has several problems
I still think you guys are being oversensitive...
Excuse moi, us Brits were here first, you're the ones who need to stop taking the 'u' out! ;)
Of course, choice of words matter, but there is a fine line between that and just being plain pedantic. He has uttered one perhaps unappropriate word, it doesn't mean anything. Now if he chose his words based on race in order to offend or intimidate the black girl he was on about then yeah, he deserves to be critisized (look there Snick I spelt that word the American way for you! :p) I just think there are more important issues than this to get worked up about.
you don't get to determine alone what
Lost in translation?
Because there are two things to understand here:
1. The word colored has negative racial overtones in the United States.
2. The same word has no negative meaning outside of it.
So there is a case to being sensitive to both views.
When it comes to Steven, its disapponinting. I get it, culture is a powerfull force and sometimes its difficult to escape it, if he is surrounded by people who use that word is logical that he would use it, conciously or unconciously. But in this day and age, he should have known better. I still dont think he mean it as a racist comment, but it was inappropiate to use. Maybe this experience will teach him to be more aware.
What if that person wasn't
What if that person wasn't in the presence of the person you're relaying a story to? What relevance does the color of their skin have there?
I hear people, & for disclosure's sake, mainly whites, who will say something like, "On my way here, I was almost hit by a (insert minority here)." HOWEVER, these same people don't ever say, "On my way here, I was almost hit by a white guy/girl."
That tells me that they view the color of that person's skin as part of that person's trespass against them. They don't realize they're doing it, but that doesn't mean there aren't issues worth exploring there.
I don't know. I don't
I don't know. I don't really like the "PC" excuse and I don't think it's the heart of the problem. Technically, we're all "colored," but the context and background of that word (at least in this country) is evident to many. It still begs the question, "why would anyone use it consciously?" It's potentially offensive and outdated. I think people are able to and should be able to say what they want to in this country, but most of the time that's eclipsed by whether or not they should say it and whether there will be any negative consequences.
(By the way, free speech doesn't mean you can "technically" say whatever you want, otherwise slander or speech that incites violence or lawless activity would be legal.)
Obviously, Steven muttered it and later apologized (I'm guessing, I haven't seen the clip yet) but felt there would be no consequences, which is why I think he should be given another chance. It's way different from Joshua last season, who had a blatant disregard for political correctness, amongst other things, and said whatever he felt like, regardless of how hurtful it may have been.
Color Comments
I was told the appropriate term is person of color. This is different than saying a "colored person", right? Is there someone on the board who can clarify which one, if either, is correct to say. On my college campus we had a group called QPOC, Queer People of Color. Were they being racist against themselves? Then, of course, there is the ever confusing organization NAACP, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
No wonder some people rail against being PC. The whole thing can be quite confusing, though I prefer to be sensitive to everyone's feelings.
it's all about history
the NAACP was created back when the word "colored" was still widely used. If it was created today, it would have a different name.
"people of color" is acceptable because it doesn't have the racist history that "colored people" has.
maybe someone else can get into the specifics, all I know is that "colored" is offensive, and has been for decades.
Snicks is correct.
Prior to the 1960s, American restaurants, buses, bathrooms and even drinking fountains were segregated: there were separate facilities for "white" and "colored"--it was a "polite" euphamism that has since been recognized for its racist connotations. It is this history that makes the term inappropriate.
People of Color: umbrella term
Personally, I don't think
Personally, I don't think that he meant anything racist by it, although it sounded that way. The context of which he said it sounded like he was just using it to point out who he was talking about (although it probably would have been better to say libra). He said "that coloured" not "a coloured". The second I would take as much more offensive, "that" refers to a specific person, "a" refers to a whole group. But I would still never use that term.
Let's see how people react to his being gay.....
Let's see how our gay cowboy is treated in a house that is created for maximum clashes as I have a feeling that all of the house guests have foot in mouth/ignorance in common. No excuses for the comment as it was insulting. I expect to soon see him in this diary room crying about being called something and not seeing the parallels.
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Double Standard
I have to say, I’m disappointed in some of my fellow gays’ reactions to Steven’s comment. I live in Texas; I’ve lived here my whole life. I’m also biracial (Hispanic and African American) and my diverse family live in both the so-called ‘PC major cities’ and ‘un-cultured backwoods towns’ of Texas. It’s understood, universally, that one does not use the term “colored” to refer to African Americans. If anything, Steven should be more aware of this fact because he’s a young man from the south. This state (and region) has a long and continuing history of covert and overt racism. We know what that word means in 2008. We’re not living in 1940s Texas anymore. Steven could have simply said, “that girl.” Instead, he specifically chose to use the term “colored.” And he used it in a negative context. I’ve noticed that people on this website have been quick to criticize celebrities, athletes, politicians, etc. (and rightly so) for using the terms faggot, dyke, nelly, etc., even when those terms were not directed at a gay person (see Shia Labeouf’s drunken video) or used ‘jokingly.’ I think the same response is now warranted. I have to say again, I’m very disappointed.
What do you expect from Bottom-Feeders and Phoebes?
That's what Big Brother is about -- Lower Carbon-Based Life-Forms Behaving Badly.
Invariably the most disgusting "player" wins.
Frankly I prefer old-fashioned carnival side-shows where the "geek" would eat the head off a live chicken. Messy, but far more morally honest.
I'm shocked
Oh, I'm not shocked about the racist overtones. I'm shocked that someone his age would use that term. I'm from the South, and no one young or youngish uses it. If he were 60, I'd say, "Eh, par for the course." It's just oddly age inappropriate. I'd expect the word "Victrola" to come out of his mouth as much as that one.
Established Disestablishmentarian - You've seen worse
Plenty of stupidity to go around
"Colored" hasn't been an acceptable term for a good 40 years or more. But at the same time I fine Libra's comments very interesting in that they are both homophobic and sexist. She is trying to demean the gay man by calling him a woman--very odd. I think there's a lot of stupidity to go around--but what do you expect from Big Brother--it's always been about who can be the biggest asshole in the house.
awww crap! I liked Both of them so so much!
What an ass.....
There is no excuse for using the term "colored", and I am especially appalled that a gay person of any age would use that term. His intent was obvious. Go back and listen to what he said again. Really listen.....
If that makes me overly sensitive then so be it. I don't believe in cutting someone a break just because they are gay. His comments really made my skin crawl and I'm just about to turn 55 so I have built up a really thick skin.
Jubilation T. Cornpone
afhickman
"It takes a village (to make Village People)"
I lived in the American South most of my life, and I hadn't heard the word "colored" used to describe anyone since I was in college (late '60s). I'm not in a position to judge, but could Steven be putting on the cornpone act? It's been done before, especially in the movies. I do remember one use of the word that, at the time at least, didn't seem to offend anyone, and that was Lou Reed's "Take a Walk on the Wild Side." I won't repeat the line, but, if you've heard the song, you'll surely remember it. Of course, middle America found so much more in that song to get excited about, they probably just overlooked the use of a badly dated racial epithet.
dumb southern boy act...
I agree, afhickman. Also, I think that way more on these stupid shows is scripted than they let on or that anyone wants to believe. He may have been "coached" to come off as a cornpone just to create controversy. It sure worked on this site. Nothing creates more publicity than a good juicy subject to argue about.
I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.
While they are coached in the diary room, most of the time.....
Sometimes that can lead to fun individual shows and even seasons. Last night's show made no reference to the issues that have dominated the late feeds and it was actually really enjoyable to see a group of people who have been raised on reality TV turn the shows usual m.o on its head and give the episode a major boost.
Because I am doing the snarkiest recaps elsewhere, I for the first time watched part a late-feeds and it was too boring to watch as it only seemed to some alive when something racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and/or ________ comments come out when grown people meet their annoying counterparts.
In the feed that I saw, the cowboy was already out as per and there was much ado about nothing between some sexy brunette and the oldest cast member. I am counting the seconds until the cute and seemingly non-offensive gay man (based on what has aired on the CBS telecasts) gets called a derogatory name due to his sexual orientation. Should we give a crap? Would two wrongs airing on the live feeds cancel one another out, or is more about us standing up for all people who get slammed even if they all seem to come from the same gutter?
I have no universal answers. I despise racism, feel that I am more of a feminist than the majority of the female population, and obviously like to call out homophobia when I see it. I am trying to determine if selective slams might be the best way for me to go as this show in particular could give any thoughtful/empathetic person a heart-attack as they are also given lots of booze to loosen them up.
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