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"Meet Dave" continues Eddie Murphy's rocky relationship with gay audiences

A new "family comedy" from Eddie Murphy called Meet Dave opens today, and there appears to be some gay content in it.

Unfortunately.

In the film, an alien spaceship (in the form of Eddie) lands on Earth, controlled by tiny people inside who try to learn more about our world. According to this review:

"As the Captain attempts to familiarize himself with human culture, Meet Dave dabbles in racial and sexual stereotyping. When a headset pipes rap music into Dave, the miniature white aliens can't stand it. But a miniature black alien starts grooving to it. When Dave accidentally walks into a stage production of A Chorus Line, it turns the no-nonsense alien security officer (Pat Kilbane) into a lisping gay hairdresser."

Oh jeez, and this is supposed to be a PG rated "family comedy"? Well, I guess nothing brings a family closer together than laughing at mincing gay stereotypes, right? (and btw...A Chorus Line turned him gay? What would have happened if he had seen Xanadu?)

Of course, I wasn't going to see Meet Dave anyway, because it looks just terrible. But in all honesty, I've only seen a handful of Eddie Murphy movies.

The last one I saw was the infamous Razzie favorite Norbit, because I was ... curious. This was the film that supposedly lost Eddie the Oscar for Dreamgirls (the ads came out at the same time Oscar voting was going on, and rumour has it that Academy members took one look at the ads and cast their votes elsewhere). So i watched Norbit, and was not disappointed, as it was mesmerizingly awful.

But my Eddie movie-watching experiences are few and far between, and it's not only because his films generally stink.

I remember the first (and only) time I saw any of his stand-up act. I was twelve years old, and just coming to terms with my sexuality. I was at a birthday party for a friend, and someone put a copy of Eddie Murphy: Delirious in the VCR. the first lines out Eddie's mouth were:

"I've got some rules while I'm doing stand-up. Faggots aren't allowed to look at my ass while I'm on stage. that's why i keep moving while I'm up here, because you don't know where the faggot section is"

Well, a roar went up from the audience, and from the kids at the birthday party, while I sat there growing red-faced, and as he continued talking about "faggots", I found myself becoming light-headed, and eventually I managed to excuse myself, and spent most of the next hour in the bathroom trying to tune everything out.

That was about it for me and Eddie Murphy. I've heard that he later apologized for the things he said in this concert and in the concert film Raw, but I don't recall hearing it. I remember him giving either Oprah or Barbara Walters the excuse, "Well, I was young", but that's about it.

I'm curious to hear your opinions. If an entertainer spent his early years mired in homophobia, would you be able to look past it later in his career, even if he apologized?

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  • Jacob's picture

    I remember my first time

    I remember my first time watching that stand-up dvd. A couple of my friends had been telling us, the larger group, that Murphy's old material was hilarious, and we should watch it. So one night a big ol' group of us got together and sat down to watch. Now there were lots of parts that were genuinely, honestly funny, but when the gay bashing went down, everyone in the room went kind of quiet. And then, not only did my friend Joel who brought the dvd apologized, because he didn't remember it being as offenseive as it was, but all my straight friends began talking about how uncool that was, and how homophobia in comedy is just so pathetic anyways. It's actually one of the happier moments I've had being gay with straight pals.

     

    Also, that's why I love George Carlin, may he rest in everluvin' peace.

    mike/'s picture

    i do to...

    i actually didn't pay much attention to the homophobic banter until later. i was totally insulted by the racist stuff he was saying. i was embarrassed for my African-American friends. 

    i have never seen one of his movies because of this, though the trailers they show on television seem funny, i don't think i ever will.

    and what's all this stuff with him playing multiple characters in his movies - almost always in drag

    i agree, there is nothing family about his work... 

    JBE's picture

    I have never

    watched a comedy dvd, and if I did I would never watch Eddie Murphy that is for sure.  The 80's were an incredibly homophobic period because of the fear of AIDS and he was never one to shy away from boosting his own popularity by putting other more vulnerable groups down. I have always preferred British comics anyways. Give me Monty Python or Saunders & French any day of the week.

    Cheers

    JBE

    dsc's picture

    Comedy can be brutal

    For me it was Andrew Dice Clay.   I had literally just come out to some friends and we were watching TV and tuned to one of his specials.  I have to admit I about vomitted when he started.  My friends were horrified.

     The second time with a homophobic comic was when I had been sober for about 7 months.  My family went to a comedy club for my dad's birthday and the comic was both unfunny and very anti gay.  My sister nearly got ejected for her heckling of that comic.

    I have never been a Murphy fan, though I will admit he was good in Dreamgirls.  I won't be watching his latest.

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    Hates the gays. Loves the pre-op transexuals. That's Eddie.

    Don't ever change dear. You're always good for a punch line.
    Bill S's picture

    Oh, the irony...

    ...of being so homophobic and then dressing like THAT. What, did Cher have a garage sale?
    brackishtea's picture

    It was the 80s...

    I remeber watching 80s flicks and the fashion and found it to be funny queer and not funny haha.
    Brent Hartinger's picture

    I too was shocking by how bad NORBITT was

    I saw it on a plane, and I was just agog. It was PAINFUL how bad it was. But what's always annoyed me about Eddie Murphy is how everyone always talks about what a comedy "genius" he is...Read the book about SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, and everyone, again and again, says he's the funniest thing the show ever produced, etc. And I'd watch his movies, and think, "NORBITT is the funniest thing SNL ever produced?" (Well, maaaayBEEE!) His stand-up has always been so sophmoric and homophobic (I love how COMMON THREADS nails him, preserving his bigotry forever...). I don't get Eddie Murphy, never have. But I don't get Jim Carrey or Adam Sandler or Mike Myers or most of the other SNL "comic geniuses" either. Give me Jack Black, please.

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    RJ's picture

    Give me SCTV over SNL any day!

    Personally, I preferred SCTV (and Second City) over SNL.

    Martin Short, Dave Thomas, John Candy, Rick Moranis, Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara, Joe Flaherty, Andrea Martin, Harold Ramis, Robin Duke and Tony Rosato.

    Several of them were on SNL as well.

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    The funniest thing SNL ever produced was Gilda Radner

    Tyler's picture

    Oscar what!?

    Am I the only person who thought he was god awful in Dreamgirls!? When I saw it the live concert Jimmy was AMAZING. Murphy fell flat for me. And what was with the drug O.D. at the end? Where did that come from?
    JBE's picture

    He was alright

    but I found the whole movie overrated. The music sounded the same after awhile and it was too long a movie. Fortunately it did not win best picture that year.

    Cheers

    JBE

    Michael549's picture

    I Do Not Plan To "Meet Dave" - But There Is More To Eddie Murphy

    To me, Eddie Murphy is one of those hit or miss entertainers - sometimes his work is  extremely funny and good, and sometimes it is awful.  For example I loved the movies and him in the movies - 48 Hours, Trading Places, Beverly Hills Cop I, II and III, Coming To America, Another 48 Hours, The Nutty Professor, Shrek I, II and III, and Dreamgirls.  I have seen both Dreamgirls with the original cast as well as the recent movie.  In the stage play the James Thunder Early character does indeed have a down fall in his career, and after the song, "The Rap" - this character does not appear anymore in the show, or sing any more songs. The stage play notes that the James Thunder Early character does indeed die - it is spoken about on stage but there is no death scene. I agree that Norbit was indeed a very silly film and a waste of good money. Eddie Murphy's other films such as Dr. Doolittle, and The Hauted Mansion usually were liked by my nephews and nieces and hated by their uncle (me). I have been told that Eddie Murphy's appearances on Saturday Night Live were often very funny.  As I said Eddie Murphy has had a hit and miss career, I would not use one film to wholly define his career.  Mike
    Bill S's picture

    Hot or miss...

    ...but more "miss" than "hit". I don't begrudge anyone whatever pleasure they get from any movie, but...Beverly Hills Cop III? I didn't even know until recently that a third one existed! The first was watchable mainly for its supporting cast, but I found the sencond painfully bad. So bad, Bridget Nielson was the best thing in it.

    I'll give you 48 Hours, Trading Places, Dreamgirls and the Shrek movies. What they all have in common is that he's not the central character-there are other characters who get screen time.

    Which is probably a too nice way of saying he can't carry a movie all by himself.

    And I wasn't the least bit suprised that Norbitt sucked-I was surprised by the number of people I know who were unable to deduce it was bad from looking at the trailer for it. I can't count the number of people I know who sighed, "Ooh, I wanna SEE that!" And nearly all of them, after finally seeing it, complained how lousy it was.

    JBE's picture

    There was a III?

    What a waste of time and money that film must have been. The second one was truly dreadful. Pity Hollywood did not learn from it and stop producing unplanned sequels to cash in on blockbusters. Remember Speed 2?  Probably not, it had to be one of the worse movies in the last ten years.  A real dog.

    Cheers

    JBE

    Erick's picture

    Eddie and forgiveness.....

    I just decided that I couldn't get past the comments he made in "RAW" so he's been irrelevant to me since then. They were unfunny and what's worse they helped feed into an attitude that I found repugnant then and still do.