"Forbidden Love" video clip update: All in a day's work
This clip from Forbidden Love has Olli and Christian playing back-up to a kidnapping and lesbian crush storylines. And they still find time to dance! Some random thoughts about this clip: 1. From what I could gather from Nanna's description, Sebastian was kidnapped by Lydia's ex, but she and Olivia teamed up to help find him, which explains the drama in the first part of this clip. That's good to know, because when a tearful Olivia collapsed in Olli's arms, I thought for sure it was because she had a zit or something, and couldn't handle it. 2. Olli dances like me! ... which is very, very sad. 3. I'm glad that Olli and Aunt Charlie are close again, and she seems to be helping him with plans for the new look of No Limits. 4. What is it with German gays and ugly sweater vests? First Olli, and now Stella. 5. It's just cruel to give us a line like "change in to your coveralls" and not deliver on said promise. I know a lot of people are less than enthused with this new "Olli the bar owner" story, but I'm willing to see where it leads. And at least it will keep the guys in the thick of things. Submitted by on Wed, 2009-03-04 14:49. |
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Stella's been in that
Stella's been in that sweater vest for a month... her uniform at the castle, you know. You'd think that castles would have better uniforms.
I was also disappointed once I saw Nanna's translation of the coveralls line. I had hoped Christian and Olli were going to celebrate Sebastian's regained-consciousness with some nookie. Shucks!
Olli the bar owner presents possibilities for a story. Especically if he whines and cries about not getting his way like he did last week. Causes stress with Gregor, and with Christian (his employee now). Friction at home = relationship probs = make-up sex.
Just focus on that last part if shiny things fascinate you. :)
Olli: "If I were single"
It's funny the way Olli says that, I know he's supposedly Bi but I just don't believe him XD.
Stella in love with Charlie?!?! Give me a break.. what kind of sick twist is this? Isnt Charlie like 50-60 years old?
I think the sweater
I think the sweater Christian's wearing is almost as ugly as the cardiagan Olli was wearing last week. And don't get me started on Stella's sweater vest which she indeed has been wearing for the past month.
I guess the writers wanted a real twist when they made Stella fall in love with Charlie. I don't think they are selling the lesbian storyline very well. We suddenly have Stella falling in love with Charlie but haven't seen much evidence of exactly how this happened, since they've hardly been seen on screen together. The've been nothing except for them having a friendly little dance at the masked ball.
I think there is a lot of potiental for this upcoming storyline with Olli co-owning Nolimits with Gregor. There is so much that can go wrong, Gregors debt, or right with Olli remodelling Nolimit into the new 'hot spot.'
ok...
Has anyone else noticed that since Christian told everyone that he & olli are dating that there has been no more sex scenes & very little kissing? Last time we saw them in bed was when Gregor found them...does anyone get what I'm saying
Or am I just been meh? & dumb?
"Your not suppose to fall for your best mate are you?"
"Says who?"
Well the name of the show
Well the name of the show Forbidden Love. When Christian told the world that he and Olli were an item it stopped being a secrent, hence, it stopped being a Forbidden Love/A Love in Secret. By VL standards, they are boring now and their sex life is no longer as interesting as the couples who are just starting and still forbidden.
Personally, I think there is very little chance of them having any more sex scenes unless they develop a serious problem. VL isn't prudish but it isn't very gratuitous with sex scenes either.
For example, take Lydia and Sebastian, a storyline that has gone on since she joined the show in January 2008. Right now their sex scenes tally is:
() Their first time when they became a couple
() When they first reunited (after Sebastian had slept with her mother during their break)
() One in about a month when they get together again after the abduction.
They have had a lot of other romantic scenes like Sebastian renting a ballroom so he can dance just with her, or him buying a billboard announcing their love or them having a bubble bath together and him brushing her hair afterword. But when it comes to flat out love scenes the tally stands as listed.
Even worse are Leo and Sarah who have been in a storyline for _three_ years now and they have been a couple since October. They had many steamy make-out sessions back when they were still a forbidden couple. But their pure sex scenes tally is as follows:
() One steamy and long sex scene when they had sex together for the first time
() One sex scene when they reunited and officially came a couple
Then there is also a sorta sex scene where Leo's wife had a nightmare vision of them in bed together, but it was mostly just a glimpse and the two of them looking evil. Ever since they got married we have seen them in bed (in a sexual context) once where they announced their intention to have sex and she kissed his throat in a mostly awkward way to show being excited/happy about something and then the camera panned away. (and lets remember, this is a couple that drove the main storyline of the show for over 2 years)
Again, they have had romantic no-sex moments, like Leo buying her a horse or them going to Paris together and spending the night together in bed fully clothed and looking at each other or intimate moments like having a serious discussion while he is sitting in the bathtub and angsting about his life. But yeah their tally of actual sex scenes, divided by three years? Not that impressive.
One of the most passionate couples in VL history was Leo and Cecile. They had three sex scenes while they were still a Forbidden couple, then one when they officially became a couple. And then they had two more, but those two happened in story context because Leo was in a wheelchair after an accident and the first scene established that things "down there" weren't working anymore and the other scene was there to announce to the fans that "down there" was now fully functional again.
Christian and Coco had one lenghty double sex scene when the first got together and then didn't get any sex scenes anymore till Olli came and introduced additional sexual tension. Again, they had sort of ersatz sex scenes like Christian taking Coco horseback riding or inviting her to a romantic day in the park.
One of the few couples which managed to keep up a decent amount of sex scenes even after they became an official couple was the lesbian couple of Carla and Susanne but IMO they were a special case because they introduced an aritificial forbiddenness through Susanne's father disapproving and through a sort of simmering triangle with Lars which went on for a long time (after relationship sex included Carla doing a sex striptease for Susanne after Susanne had a huge jealousy scare, them going to a special decorated winter cabin and having sex to announce trouble because Carla was leaving for two months and in the meantime Susanne started her thing with Lars, them having a bubble bath sexy scene (you could even see most of "Susanne's boob) because Carla was feeling unsexy and undesirable because of her pregnancy).
Meanwhile Carla's other big romance (with Hanna) also had exactly three sex scenes. The first time, the one where they get together and the one where they get caught. After that it was mostly romantic ersatz scenes, like Carla taking Hanna to a spa and dressing up as a guy (making Hanna laugh) so they could avoid a person who was spying on them or them spending a perfect day on the beach. And of course, the relationship was forbidden from beginning to end because Carla's father and the public never found out about it till after Hanna had died. So they spent the entirety of their relationship in intimate secrecy.
To me the problem of Ollian isn't that there aren't as many sex scenes anymore (again on VL you are unlikely to have them unless it marks a major turning point in a story or is supposed to say something plot relevant (like, A has sex with B but is secretly thinking about C)), but that to me they sort of aren't very good at giving them those romantic ersatz scenes, probably because they have established that Christian doesn't like doing them (him telling Judith that it was wrong that she should have to prove her love for Constantin by doing something special for him) and on the other hand that Olli prefers being the target of romantic surprises.
That said, I think it would be too much to say that we haven't seen them in bed since Gregor caught them. We saw them (non-sexually) in bed before the big fight when Olli came home from partying and snuggled up to Christian. We have Christian spinning Olli around and dropping him on the couch. And we have the scene right before Ibiza where Olli made avances to Christian in the bathroom and took his belt off before Chrisitian had to turn him down and we later had Christian coming home in an amorous mood but Olli being the one who is pissed and not in the mood.
To me, you are unlikely to see them sexual and passionate if the show sees no plot related reason to show it. And as long as they are happy safe couple with nothing to prove there is gonna be no reason. They are not showing any of the established happy couples constantly going at it in the background of scenes. Those scenes are ususally only there if it has something to do with the story (like A and B are hiding; or B is hiding that he is secretly thinking about C, or C is jealous of A and B and spying on them, or C wants to take an incriminating picture of A and B).
wow...
Cheers for the comment - I agree with what your saying. I don't mind what happens tbh so long as ollian keeps been...ollian. lol :)
"Your not suppose to fall for your best mate are you?"
"Says who?"
Reality sets in
I think it's always a sad experience when reality sets in and people realize that VL is not Dante's Cove or QAF. But to me, there can be no accusation of conspiracy and double standard if the same thing happens to all other couples, whether straight or lesbian, no matter how unpleasant that realization is for us as people who think that images of happy committed sensual gay couples are so important.
But in the end, it is still a soap opera and they feel on the dramatic tensions. (and it seems to me, that even the more sensual couple soaps like Till the Wedding and Clara Sheller seems to achieve that sensuality through there being at least some element of partner swapping; so not even they escape this particular issue)
As far as VL goes, I think the plot relevant sex concept is best shown by the Jana/Leo/Sarah/Gregor quadrangle. Within little over a year, three couples got married, Jana/Leo, Sarah/Gregor and in the end Leo/Sarah. Yet Leo/Sarah was the only couple whose wedding night we didn't see. Precisely because they were committed to each other and not interested in anybody else. So from a plot POV, after they had shown the wedding, there was no point to showing the wedding night. So instead of showing them, the show went directly from them dancing on their after wedding party to them the next morning saying goodbye to their loved ones as they fly off to an off screen honeymoon.
So why did they show us the wedding nights of Janac/Leo and Gregor/Sarah? Precisely because it mattered from a plot POV what happened in there. When Gregor and Sarah come home to their wedding bed they realize that Jana and Leo have spread rose petals on their bed which leads to an awkward situation because Gregor knows Sarah is in love with Leo. From the POV of the audience, it is an interesting situation: Will Sarah sleep with Gregor? What will it look like? Which she be fully into it or is she still secretly thinking about her supposed other love Leo? Will she go through with it? Will Gregor notice Sarah's unease and sleep with her anyway? What Sarah does in this situation is plot relevant because it affects the believability of Leo and Sarah as a couple and the angstfactor.
When Leo has his wedding night with Jana he has just found out that his bio daddy is not his bio daddy which for him mostly means that he could now legally screw Sarah's brains out. So from the show's POV, it is interesting to show Leo and Jana's wedding night. Will Leo go through with it? Will Jana notice? Will he tell her the truth or lie to her? Will he be able to "perrfom"?
Those, even sometimes somewhat sleazy moments is what soaps are interested in. Meanwhile, when Sarah and Leo got married, the show didn't bother showing them in their bedroom. Why? There was no plot reason for it. They had had a sex scenes about 4 weeks earlier, they were happy to be marrying each other before the wedding night and they were still happy to be with each other after the wedding night. Neither of them had any second thoughts and neither of them had any sort of interest in anybody else. Hence, showing them in a sex scene after they already had a fancy wedding and sappy vows and a post wedding party was redundant to the show.
To me Susanne and Carla were probably the closest to "showing a committed gay couple in sensual and intimate moments even after they get together", but to me that was only possible because the show retained a certain atmsophere of tension throughout the relationship. Like Susanne kept a certain element of insecurity and flailyness throughout the marriage (so sex and sensuality could be a tool to calm her worries), she had to keep defending her relationship to Carla to her father a long time in, Carla was unsure about getting pregnant and not talking to Susanne, etc.
Maybe Ollian would be a more sensual couple if the show had kept some element of tension to it. Like maybe if Christian was still not completely sure of living as gay or if Olli was not sure if maybe things aren't too serious or if Gregor was some sort of evil tyrant who is forcing them to keep hiding their affection. But that seemed to go exactly against what people were demanding of Ollian, namely that they should be fully and completely committed to each other with no flaws, deeper insecurities and no holding anything back of any sort in their commitment.
But soaps work on the concept that sparks come from friction, hence, Ollian will have to get used to parks and sensuality coming by more sparingly (and they were more sensual back when Christian was still agressive or insecure). Same as the example above with committed couple Leo/Sarah vs. non-committed Leo/Jana and Sarah/Gregor. On a soap level, sex and sensuality generally goes down once friction is gone. The show followed what the fans demanded, but as a result, from a soap POV Ollian have pretty much been written into a corner because for them what is left for them is mostly superficial and/or convoluted conflict. At the same time, if they had drawn out the sensual phase (for example by taking longer for Christian to fully come around more along the lines of HO's Craig) that would also caused a huge outrage and unhappiness among the fans.
Ollian still the best!!
lola...I enjoyed reading your thoughful post regarding what happens to couples after their love is no longer 'forbidden' Of course I think there is a lot of life left in Ollian, yet. I'm actually really glad the writers did give the fans what we wanted, for now that is. Yet we all know they have the power to change the dynamics of a storyline at the stroke of a pen.
As I wrote earlier, there is so much that can go wrong with Ollian buying into Nolimits. I think we saw some foreshadowing of this with Gregor and Christian urging him not to be in such a rush. And Gregors's money problems are going to come full circle. This isn't going to be smooth sailing for Ollian. There are so many avenues this storyline can take...and I can't wait.
Yes, I would like to see a few more sensual scenes between Olli and Christian, nevertheless they do have some of the most natural kissing, hugging and togetherness moments on TV. Which is what made them stand out from so many of the other gay storylines. More often than not, it isn't just about the in your face sex scenes that makes a love story truely a love story, there is far more needed than that. Jo and Thore has been able to bring across in the Olli and Christian characters something very beautiful in their portrayal of a couple madly in love with each other, even with just the one sex scene and minimal displays of nakedness.
I think there are still
I think there are still stories left for Ollian. However, I'm just saying that sensuality might not necessarily play a large role, particularly if the conflicts come from the outside, which is where the couple seems to be headed at the moment.
Personally, I do not have a problem stories even without much sensuality. Because, like I pointed out, sensuality for soap couples are usually tied to deep internal couple conflict, frequently involving third parties (and personally, I think Ollian are kinda past the point where those kind of deep issues could arise and still be very believable; if they were to come up, wouldn't they have come up by now? After all they have been together for a year now approximately? If the writers wanted to tell that story (now regardless of whether or not they should) I think they missed the time window).
Again, I have no problem with that kind of storytelling. I'm just showing why this storytelling is not somehow unfair or discrimination related in my eyes.
Roman and Deniz of AWZ got more and more explicit sex scenes. But a lot of them arose from deep internal differences, third parties and being split up. The same thing applies equally to straight couples, if not even more.
Other couples on VL might have gotten more sensual and detailed sex scenes (though IMO there are few current or recent couples that have had more), but usually they are the payment for characters waiting years to have sex together for the first time, plus heaps of conflict and potentially significant time spent together with other partners.
I'm not saying that Christian and Oliver will never have a sex scene or sensual scene again. I'm just saying that if it happens, it will be the unlikely exception, not the typical VL rule. And if it doesn't happen, it is the same treatment that the straight supercouples are getting too.
Personally, I have no deep preferences about the degree of sex. I accept that on soaps angst is usually directly linked to angst/the amount of straight up drama a couple can produce. To me, it has to be about good story. It's not important how much sex there is, just the story has to be good (and good stories exist on a variety of levels) and the amount of sex has to be appropriate for the story. A story isn't somehow better (or necessarily worse) just because it doesn't include a lot of sex. For whatever reason (and according with what most fans claim they want) the writers have chosen a storyline that doesn't really lend itself to a terrible amount of sex within the framework of VL. It's not necessarily my pesonal fave type of story, but to me it's a valid choice. Especially, like you said, since there actually are plenty of shows that have gone for the partner swap conflict type of stories (with sensuality bonus!). In the end, there is no one perfect story choice. Any choice will involve some sort of tradeoff. Degree of sensusality vs. how long you have to wait for the first time; Amount of screentime vs. amount of potentially lame obstacles a couple has to endure. Couple stability vs. dramatic scenes and deeper characterization.
Lola...
It's okay to take a breath now....
Thanks as always for your invaluable insight. I am simply content to have C&O stay a stable couple remaining affectionate and playful with the occasional tension thrown into the situation. Key word = stable.
If the situations around them (work, school, boxing, their friends) can bring drama to them for them to be involved in, I'm down with that. Stories based on who they are and what they do causing drama, for example, rather than some random lover tossed into the mix. And yes, yes, yes I know the name of the show is "Forbidden LOVE", so that chances of that are slim.
*hides*
sweatervests
I think the reason that
I think the reason that Christian and Olli haven't had many love/sex scenes lately is because the writers seem to be focusing on the lesbian storyline for now. and once that is dealt with, Chrolli will be set back into action!
At least that's what I'm hoping will happen! I am CRAVING more Ollian! They need more tv time, they're the hottest couple on television. seriously.
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