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"Hollyoaks" video clip: He Has Come
Well, here we are. After months of anticipation, Craig has returned to Hollyoaks, and it's so monumental, it requires two clips! Craig arrives just as John Paul is trying to figure out a way to get out of his wedding to Kieron (what an amazing coincidence!), but the most startling part of this first clip is seeing...Niall...smile. Not one of his patented creepy "I'll bide my time" grins, but a genuine happy smile. I have to say, it's pretty hot. Craig visits his mother, who apparently is in the middle of trying to adopt Fall Out Boy, Jr., who shoots Craig daggers of hate upon first sight before fleeing the scene (don't cry, emo kid!) Meanwhile, J.P. has finally told Kieron that he thinks he's too young to get married, and they should shelve the wedding for now. I felt so bad for Kieron in this scene. He's obviously heartbroken, but I wonder if he didn't see it coming? J.P. has been acting strangely, and Kieron has tried to rush through the wedding plans, as if trying to convince himself that everything is okay. Needless to say, Kieron is devastated, but he still manages to throw the "I left the church for you" in J.P.'s face before storming away. J.P. is feeling miserable, when he suddenly hears a very familiar voice from the past.... Craig and J.P. make awkward small talk, which boils down to "you look good", and "boning anyone?", while Kieron stews back at home. Niall has invited Steph to lunch at the flat, but can't understand why she gets upset halfway through and runs out of there. Obviously, she got annoyed because he tried to serve soup before the salad. Oh, and there was that whole "You ran my husband down and killed him at our wedding" thing. Craig and John Paul (okay, what name have we come up with, "Craul"?) visit Craig's ...colorful family, and then Craig asks J.P. the big question, "do you love him?". J.P. can't answer him, which says everything we need to know. When asked again, J.P. says "yes", but it's hardly convincing. Craig says he just wants J.P. to be happy, and they hug, just as Kieron walks up. AWKWARD! Since this is the beginning of the end for J.P. and Kieron, I expected them to move fast on breaking them up, but not this fast. It's like their months of ups and downs, highs and lows, and declarations of love never existed. I think they're trying too hard to push Craul in our faces right away. You can see the second clip after the break, and we're interested to hear your thoughts. Are they moving too quickly with J.P. and Craig?, or are you tired of J.P. and Kieron, and want it to be over? let us know in the comments! Submitted by on Wed, 2008-09-03 11:58. |
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They are called McDean, but Craul is perfectl
Thank you for noticing the sudden quick pace in the demise of JP and Kieron's relationship. I'll never get tired of JP and Kieron, because I saw growth in the character of JP and now, he's being regressed back to who he was, before he left Craig at the airport almost a year ago?!
I believe that everything is going fast, but that's what we're going to get, so I have to throw any sort of logic and common sense out the window about how different Kieron and JP have been acting towards each other NOW, since the
Second Coming of Christ, Craig Dean's return.Love me less, but love me a long time - Les Chansons D'Amour
They're commonly referred
They're commonly referred to as McDean. Somehow Craul makes me laugh like crazy, though, maybe I'll start using that from now on^^
I don't think Kieron is completely out of the picture yet.. I mean, Craig has not yet made any indication whatsoever whether he is over his (severe!) issues at all, so if I was John Paul I definitely wouldn't go back to him immediately.
But this is a soap after all, there's gotta be some drama sooner or later ;-)
One thing can be said, though... the chemisty between JP and Craig is ALL still there! After such a long time there are STILL sparks flying all over the place. Impressive xD
Oh the drama of romance...
Rainy, I'm with you; JP and Craig do have amazing chemistry. Got to love it. IMO, yeah... they are moving fast, but hell -- I've seen people move faster from a bar to a car late on a Saturday night with someone they later undoubtedly wish they'd never left with. And nineteen is way to young to get married.
I too believe Keiron is far from out of the picture. I can't wait either... a catfight over JP. Maybe they'll throw each other in the pool
or JP leaves Hollyoaks and Craig & Keiron run off into the sunset. Oh, so many possibilities.craul - nice one ;-)
the story has lost me at the mo - it just doesn't fit into what I've seen so far and I agree it's rushed. THough it might have worked if they had given it two months and not just two weeks.
But my biggest problem with this at the moment is that both JP and Kieron are displayed as somewhat childish and unlikeable - which is a pity as they don't have much time left.
And I liked to like them both (individually, not neccessarily as a couple) - they were the reason I got into HO.
So - to keep a long story short: I'm not amused right now, oh no ;-)
It'll fit, if you've given yourself an lobotomy
Hey, Lily. We're not supposed to focus on the lack of time, being given to the conclusion of this storyline. We're just supposed to drink the kool-aid and ask for more. I'm glad that others are going WTF. Also, check your inbox.
the story has lost me at the mo - it just doesn't fit into what I've seen so far and I agree it's rushed. THough it might have worked if they had given it two months and not just two weeks.
But my biggest problem with this at the moment is that both JP and Kieron are displayed as somewhat childish and unlikeable - which is a pity as they don't have much time left.
And I liked to like them both (individually, not neccessarily as a couple) - they were the reason I got into HO.
So - to keep a long story short: I'm not amused right now, oh no ;-)
You may have a point about
You may have a point about the rushing of the storyline...but I don't see it. I think JPK engagement was rushed, I think the Jack/Darren thing was rushed, JPK itself was pretty rushed... thing is people- it's a soap- fictional, out of the ordinary things happen.
At least give HO some credit for consistency in the 'rushing' of storylines :)
And suspend disbelief to watch soaps. Enjoy the sunset. I heard its lovely this time of year ;)
Perfectly paced
I have to disagree re the pacing of the break up. To assert so is to have been viewing on a rather superficial level so far. It has been very obvious indeed for a while that the "love" between JP and K is astoundingly weak and, having read the interviews with the actors, it seems that is the way they've been playing it; I certainly felt vindicated anyway. Personally, I commend the writers for their great work on this SL, and the actors for playing it so well, so subtly.
Jake Hendriks himself said: "Their wedding plans are all being set and his ex-boyfriend (Craig) turns up, the love of his life. And Kieron's many things, but he's not an idiot. He realises something's up, that something's not quite right and forces John Paul to admit that fact. And things are all over at that point. I think he has gone into it a bit too quickly, but he got caught up in the idea of it. He's confused and shattered when he realises John Paul isn't as in love with him as he is with him", and I think he speaks the truth. :)
And McDean is the widely used term. :)
define "a while", please ;-)
uhm - with "for a while" you actually mean one week - do you? because before that there was a few weeks no JPK and before that there was all things shiny, with proposals & "I love yous" & idiotic smiles and stuff.
But hey, this reminds me: the target audience are teenagers - for them one week is quite a lot of time - and I guess they would call a three week relationship "longterm" - so I can see where you're coming from ;-)
Okay....
Okay.....ignoring the banal "teenager" comment, the rest is answered by my initial comment - I saw it and it all follows fairly well to me so it apparently is there to be seen. :S Of course, you could say the same for JP loving K. However, it seems not be making sense for you recently and the recent stuff only serves to validate my opinion. Also, as I quoted, the actors seem to be playing it like that.
BTW, what do you make of JH's comment??
Oh c'mon, deal with it!
All you Kieron lovers...it was always going to end this way. Jake Hendriks pretty much confirmed it. I liked the JPK story but even I can see where it was leading..to JP/C. And I don't feel its rushed- well unless you call a whole year of JP/C rushed plus an unresolved airport ending. But hey! people will intepret things as they want- whatever rocks your boat people.
So while you can whine all you want about 'bad writing' etc... the rest of us are enjoying the marvellous acting from all actors involved.
I love Hollyoaks!!! This soap rocks. And btw? Niall is uber sexy bad! I want him so bad :)
Weak arguement
The fact that it was always going to end this way is no excuse for the horrible forced writing. The writers had weeks to show us that JP doesn't love kieron or that their relationship was in trouble, but they didn't do that. Instead we had a good picture of a good love story, of two people who talked and worked out their problems, and absolutely no sign that John Paul is still hung up on Craig.
And sadly, the forced nature and unbelievable writing will only get worse.
writing
I think the argument: "but the writers wanted it this way" doesn't do anything, too. The writers deliver a product, we -the customers- judge it and either like the product or not.
Websites like After Elton would be sort of superfluous if noone was allowed to criticise the writing of shows...
It comes down to this awful proposal - I agree with that. Maybe this storyline would have worked for me, if it had been Kieron, who proposed and JP accepting the proposal out of guilt over what Kieron has given up for him - and if they had made clear, why this marriage was so important to Kieron.
Would have made much more sense as the beginning of the end of JP/K
You make a good point
While you make a good point about it seeming to be rushed (I agree!) into going off the rails we already know JP only proposed because he was feeling guilty over Kieron leaving the Church for him. He was impulsive in that "big move" teenager will do. We did see them fight a bit over where to holiday. Kieron wanted to do a "working" holiday where they could do some charity project while JP wanted something more frivolous. This difference in priorities is something I wish the show had explored more with these characters. It's a real lost opportunity of the post-priest story arc I think.
Unfortunately they've also been off the screen for two or three weeks now so we missed some of the cracks in their relationship while the show was servicing many other characters and story lines.
Last year I was caught up in the McDean sunset ending thing but time marched on, I moved on, and more importantly JP moved on as well. Fr Kieron seemed like a better match than the cruel and childish Craig Dean, a point JP's mom makes to him in an episode that aired this week.
Unfortunately, I know the fate of Kieron and JP's relationship. What I don't know is whether JP ended up with anyone when he leaves at month's end (although he'll be back very briefly in Oct for a major family-related story).
Will Craig win him back or even try? Can the writers hope to work that kind thing into such a short time and not make it seem contrived and forced or even, perhaps, just a rebound? I just don't know. Maybe expectations are too high.
What angers me, really, is Kieron bugging out about the marriage. I realize he sacrificed massively but most recently he demanded they get married next week rather than waiting until after JP's sister has her wedding or wait for the Christmas holiday season as he and JP had agreed upon earlier.
I can't think of anything JP's done to give Kieron a reason to think he's not faithful so the motivation is seeming a bit contrived.
Me too
And btw? Niall is uber sexy bad! I want him so bad :)
Niall's definitely the hottest guy on the show. Maybe because he's this long, tall, sinewy stretch of gorgeousness. Maybe because he's shockingly bad. Maybe because underneath the callous exterior you know how wounded and little-boy-lost he is. That'll suck me in every time. Maybe all of that. I watch for Niall these days. They wrecked Kieron and JP's just annoying the past few episodes. Boring. At least with Niall you know it'll be explosive whatever he does.
I have to agree with snicks
It's a Shame
What's been done to this storyline is one of the worse things about soaps. They are relying on telling the story through the plot instead of through the characters. The sad thing about this is that the whole John Paul and Kieron story developed these characters very well, and a story that could have been sensationalized, given the gay priest angle, wasn't. But the writers have thrown all of that out of the window, and are now attempting to get ratings by going for shock value, and they could care less about the characters they built, or the story that hooked so many of us.
It's interesting that in order to force John Paul and Craig together, they have to have John Paul regressing back to the selfish and immature person that he was a year ago. And they have to have Kieron, who has always communicated what he wants, resort to mind games and being pensive.
Is Kieron REALLY that different??
stalking"courting" (and if you do believe that, please explain why you have more of a problem about this being rushed then anyone did when that was rushed; anyhoo, I don't subscribe to that view so it was finely timed as i see it), but was motivated by deeper issues.What have you been watching?
Maybe you should go back and watch the clips on youtube. Kieron didn't stalk JP, they lived in the same house, and Kieron wanted to get their friendship back, a friendship that they had before the kiss. When Kieron talked about bashing walls down, he was telling John Paul his feelings, he didn't force himself on John Paul, and hardly saw him after they slept together and Kieron moved out. And, it was John Paul who started things back up after that particular breakup, not Kieron. And I would hardly call John Paul and Kieron's relationship rushed, since the two had been going back and forth for months, before they finally decided to start a relationship. They had known eachother three months before they had sex and it was another month before they entered into a relationship.
This story of their breakup, has developed over just 7 days, and came out of no where. The time alloted to tell the story of the breakup and their relationship isn't even comparable. But, if your view is that Kieron forced John Paul to do anything that he didn't want to do, then I hardly expect you to understand that.
As others have said, we didn't see any indication that John Paul and Kieron would have the problems that they are having now. No indication that John Paul has been hung up on Craig all of this time. No indication that John Paul doesn't love Kieron. No indication that these two wouldn't talk about their problems. And no indication why John Paul never answered Kieron honestly when he asked if JP wanted to wait on get married. Nor any indication why John Paul has suddenly reverted back to his childish ways.
First off, JP hasn't
First off, JP hasn't reverted back to his "childish ways". In fact, in my view, your whole last paragraph is just all wrong, the lot of it: lots of people saw the indications! The average viewer most certainly did, even if I admit to being biased as a member of online forums where opinions are held more acutely, more fiercely than Mr Joe Bloggs public.
I never said Kieron made JP do anything he didn't want to. That isn't how it happened at all and nor have I said that, have i? Kieron pursued JP, I said. To be clear, that doesn't mean forcing JP to do anything he didn't want to do. JP got into it for all the wrong reasons and didn't love K anywhere near as much as K loved JP (though a major case can be made for a good part of K's love being founded upon what JP represents, not who he is - similar to the basis of JP's feelings). I'm sorry you're unhappy with the way you think it's been "rushed" but I think it's been done well and believe the writers AND ACTORS have done a superb job in portraying all that in that nice subtle way HO excels at sometimes. But, I guess that's just me...?
The writers haven't given
The writers haven't given any other indication, besides love, for John Paul getting into a relationship with Kieron. And seriously, over a million people watch this show, so I doubt you can speak for how the majority of them view this storyline, so don't act like you can. You can only speak about how you percieved what happened, and when you do that, you need to focus on what happened on screen. With that in mind, I notice that you haven't included any examples to back up your claims.
BTW, I never said the actors haven't done an excellent job. They have been wonderful with what they have been given. That doesn't change the fact that, time aside, the story hasn't been developed well. And I would think that you would gather that this is most people's problem with this story. It doesn't matter if it took them a week or a month to get to this point, the fact is that many of us who have commented today, have not seen the evidence that you have seen, that would make this current storyline believable.
Well to be fair.. thats
Well to be fair.. thats YOUR opinion and its a valid point seeing that thats what you're seeing. However keep in mind that some people see things very differently from you- me being one of them. I honestly don't see a problem with the current storyline- to me its drama, love, complications etc.. all that wonderful stuff that makes people want to tune in for half-an hour each day to get some (much needed) entertainment.
I think you're wrong in stating "most people have a problem with this story?" Really? From where d'ya get that I wonder. Any back up of this statement? I'd have stuck to 'I have a problem with this story' if I were you.
But as I said, if you choose to see it in a certain way, thats your right. I'm really enjoying HO at the moment and hopefully a majority of people out there are as well. Is the storyline believable? Hell yes! But thats just MY opinion.
Huh?
Craig...
I, for one, am thrilled Craig is back. It was John Paul and Craig's storyline that hooked me to Hollyoaks in the first place. Now, I am not saying this is not all rushed, but I think it was deliberate.
I think John Paul having confusing feelings after seeing Craig is perfectly natural; and that is not even the reason he wanted to sow things down. However in love they were, JP proposed out of obligation to a man who had given up his life for him, rather than for them as a couple. Craig was somebody he truly loved; and they had an intenisty and a passion in every episode that I feel JP and Kieron have only mustered in a few. And again, that was deliberate.
I have watched old JP and Craig clips many a time; and what I see here is exactly the same awkward, first-love intensity that made the storyoine so great. Yes, JP is reverting. Who doesn't revert when faced with the first person they loved? Who doesn't become a bit of a mess? He does love Kieron and that is why it is so hard for him to see Craig again: maybe he'll just always love Craig more.
JP often refers to Kieron as 'nice' which he is (and Craig is not). But I think it is telling that he loved Craig knowing that he wasn't 'nice' and had to reaffirm Kieron's 'nice'-ness throughout the relationship. And Tina's asking JP what is bothering him in this episode is telling too; it is Craig, but he's too scared to be with someone who might hurt him. After Craig, it felt good to be in a relationship where he knew he wasn't going to be hurt.
Yawn, JPK
Rush! Rush! Hurry baby love would come to me....
Ok, so JP's getting cold feet bec he thinks he's too young. That's a valid point. But to lead your fiance on is selfish. Then he blurts out that he should be out there having fun right on Kieron's face who was so excited about the wedding. Insensitive much? Had he been honest with him, Kieron might have been understanding.
Do I feel this is being rushed?
SPOILER!!! Let's see, JP was happily blabbing to people about his wedding, then we get a month of black hole. Then after that, JP starts becoming insensitive, Kieron becomes a blind puppy, Myra shifts from being anti to pro JPK, JP becomes meaner, Craig appears, Kieron starts to see again, JP gets confused about his feelings, JPK breaks up, JP tries to get in touch with K while K looks for Myra's son, JP sleeps with Craig the day after, Kieron dies at the same time. ALL IN 2 WEEKS.
Yup, I feel it's rushed. Too bad because the actors are brilliant, esp the one they're killing off.
It is late...I am on my way
It is late...I am on my way to bed...but i'm smiling from ear to ear at the return of Craig...the true love of John Paul. It's been a year, but Craig finally returned as promised by the writers.
I do admit that from the spoilers I have read, the closing chapter on the John Paul/Craig/Kieron storyline really does look like it is going to be rushed.
John Paul-Kieron Storyline
While I like Kieron as a character I think the biggest weakness of the writing has been the numerous black holes. There just wasn't enough screentime to develop a coherent relationship between John Paul and Kieron. We would go weeks with nothing and then 5 days of major emotional turning points. In that sense it felt rushed because there wasn't enough buildup episode to episode. For me, I felt John Paul-Craig had a lot more screentime so the turning points made alot more sense.
Then of course when Guy Burnet agreed to come back they likely made some hasty changes to "amp up" the confict, which is another problem. Even with James Sutton leaving they could have drawn this out a lot longer and give all these fine actors more great scenes to play.
Still, I'm excited that Craig's back and for what I hope will be the "Sunset Ending" we've all been waiting for.
Rushed or not, I love it
Sure, it's a bit rushed, but I don't think it's that much of a stretch. JP and Kieron have been dating steadily for less than four months. The boy is only nineteen and the proposal was really really premature. It doesn't bug me that such a relationship would crack pretty quickly with added pressure. Especially since I think they've hinted all along that JP's feelings for Kieron are not as intense as Kieron's for him. Plus, it's a soap and I have low expectations for realism or logical plot development when it comes to soaps.
I like Kieron and I've enjoyed the storyline okay despite some gaping flaws, but it's been nowhere near as riveting (for me) as John Paul and Craig's was. JP & Kieron's romance might be a bit more mature. Craig might have behaved very badly (I wanted to smack him silly half the time). But I'm a sucker for an angsty romance and those two bring the angst. Not to mention the chemistry between the characters. I could hardly wait for the next episode back then and I'm right back there with recent developments. Yay.
I do feel a lot more sorry for Kieron than I did for Sarah though. He's a good man overall and realizing your man doesn't love you as much as you love him... so painful. But yeah, I'm loving it. As a viewer, drama, trauma and sad endings turn my crank a lot more than happy well-adjusted couples. Bring it on. :)
Agree with most of what you
Poor Kieron
I seriously feel for Kieron, out of the love triangle he's the one I tend to prefer now, I still love JP but he's so mean lately. The way he talks (or not, which says more than when he does) to his boyfriend is really heartbreaking. Well love can make you react selfish and stupid but I really didn't think John Paul would do that, it's more Craig's style.
I also feel it's rushed, I've been waiting for this since Craig left, like all of you, but I have to admit I'm a bit desapointed, at this rate I feel like the storyline is gonna be over in a week, maybe it's believable maybe not, but come on ! JP's story has been going on for more than a year and half (dunno how long exactly, I've been watching since last december and catched up on youtube) we could have had at least a month or two to solve all this !
I wish JP would stay with Kieron (yes I'm now on the Kieron side ^^), maybe it's not passionate love but I think their love could last longer. Plus we still don't know what Craig has been up too in Dublin, we know he's been dating someone but if I remember correctly there's no indication on the gender. I'm not saying it matters if Craig is gay or bi, but there is a possibility that he might have went with women because he still are not confortable with being with a guy, and if he still has issues about that then nothing changed in JP and Craig's relationship. JP shouldn't be with someone who don't admit who he is, Kieron knows and is proud of it ! Go Kieron !
And Niall ! OMG I just love him more and more and hate him more and more. I think he's so cute with Steph but pleeeeeease don't make him kill Kieron cause then I'll have to hate him for good... (trying not to listen to spoilers about that so please no spoilers arround ^^)
Well hopefully there will be more development...
A year for this
I disagree about John Paul and Kieron not being passionate. Just because their relationship isn't angst driven and they don't fight all of the time, that doesn't mean they don't have passion. I love the little touches, hand holding, and the fact that they are usually so honest and open with one another.
But, I agree that the main problem with the past week is that the characters have had a personality transplant. Their behavior isn't consistent with how they usually act. But, that just shows that all of this has been done to force a storyline, which is sad, since if the story has been in the works for a year, the writers had time to write sometheing believable and that works.