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"Hollyoaks" video clip update: Cold feet?
Today's Hollyoaks clip opens with John Paul still visibly nervous about telling his mother about his engagement with Kieron, but a lot of the clip is about the side stories of Kris and Mercedes. J.P. goes home to try and tell Myra the big news, but she's too preoccupied with Mercedes to listen. It seems that Mercedes has set herself up on a blind date, with a guy she's been texting (naturally, this will lead to complications later when she discovers she's been texting ... Napoleon Dynamite). Kris becomes incensed when he's told he can't give blood, and enlists Kieron's help in fighting it on his radio show, and meanwhile, J.P. gives talking to his mother one more shot. His mother gives him some rational, sensible advice about taking things slowly, and that he and Kieron are at different points in their lives, and says that J.P. should be out there "filling your boots". Filling your boots? Is that some kind of UK expression? Or is it some horrifying euphemism? Will Myra's speech have an effect on J.P. and Kieron's relationship, or will they be able to enjoy pre-marriage bliss ... for a few more episodes? The handling of the gay characters and storylines on the show is as good as ever, but it's getting harder and harder to watch knowing that things are going to change. Anyone else waiting for the boots to drop? You can see today's clip after the break, and come back for more updates! Submitted by on Thu, 2008-08-28 07:55. |
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Fill yer boots
Filling your boots? Is that some kind of UK expression? Or is it some horrifying euphemism?
Yes, and, er, possibly also yes.
It means 'take all you want'. Opinion is divided on the origin, although it does seem to relate to abundant alcohol consumption.
One story is that it comes from the eighteenth century use of 'boot' to mean a drinking flask. Alternatively the phrase may refer to an alleged habit of the King's soldiers during England's seventeenth century civil war. Supposedly, the Cavaliers were so determined not to interrupt their drinking sessions that they preferred to relieve themselves straight into their boots rather than have to drag themselves away from the bar.
You asked...
holly*hicks*
It means 'take all you want'. Opinion is divided on the origin, although it does seem to relate to abundant alcohol consumption.
a perfect description of Hollyoaks then ;-)
loved Kieron in the beginning and with his french accent. Doesn't fit into their attempt of showing Kieron to be too boring for JP, though.
Loved JP stuffed with Myra's "healthy" food and Kris storming away in his high heels. I wish I could walk in them like he does.
Still don't like the marriage-theme being used to create tension between Kieron and JP. It just doesn't feel right.
"I'm Pierre" - Kieron's just too gorgeous
Lily - It doesn't feel right and I'm glad that others are noticing the strangeness as well.
It means 'take all you want'. Opinion is divided on the origin, although it does seem to relate to abundant alcohol consumption.
a perfect description of Hollyoaks then ;-)
loved Kieron in the beginning and with his french accent. Doesn't fit into their attempt of showing Kieron to be too boring for JP, though.
Loved JP stuffed with Myra's "healthy" food and Kris storming away in his high heels. I wish I could walk in them like he does.
Still don't like the marriage-theme being used to create tension between Kieron and JP. It just doesn't feel right.
Glad to have them back
Interesting
While I dont question JPs love for Kieron, Myra makes a good point. How much is this wedding thing about the drama of it. I think JP relishes too much in this "lets fight against the odds" attitude and get carried away. Remember, it was JP who proposed out of the blue.
I dont think the tension because of the wedding is uncalled for. I would think its quite logical to say there would be where, as well meaning as it was, the relationship is going where its not ready to go. As for the writers doing it, well its a soap, dont think theres anything more to say.
BTW, I stumbled upon a picture of a future episode, and let me tell you, it seems the are going to up the tension level for this couple. Also, it screwed up the timeline I had made in my head. Its going to be interesting.
On another topic, its really interesting what they are going to do with Malachy here. I knew about this story but didnt know they were going to tie it with this ridiculous prohibition on people who have had relations with the same sex. Its nice to know the are going to touch the topic and that the are going to show why its so ridiculous.
Kudos to Hollyoaks.
well - I can understand
well - I can understand JP. He can be quite a dramaqueen and it is in character for him to propose too easily (and the overly lighthearted way in which he did propose gave him away in the first place) and getting cold feet about it later. I don't understand Kieron - they don't explain why he is pressing so much. That's not in character for him because usually he yes - gets angry but is quickly able to understand the other's motives and feelings. This behaviour sort of puts the blame for their difficulties on him (which I guess is the writers' intention) and because I like Kieron (and prefer writing that I can comprehend even if it's a soap) I'm not too fond of it.
And actually it would be quite easy to provide us with a reason for Kieron's behaviour. Myra said Kieron was at a different point in his life than JP. Not quite right. He had been, yes and emotionly he is - but physically he is not. He suffered a huge set back from being in a secured-for-life position with quite a high social status to well - nothing. No money, no status, a future as a barkeeper? - come on! He adjusted to this decline far too easily. If they would show his need for this marriage as a need for a new safe place in his life - I could understand it.
Okay - it's a soap - my first try with a soap and maybe my last. I feel a bit like Firefly's River Tam tearing Shepherd Book's bible apart "it doesn't make sense" "well, that's not the point!" Guess I just don't get the point of soaps. Or maybe I'm a bit disappointed because HO can do quite well - and if they don't it's all the more frustrating in comparison
Kierons behavior
When I said its a soap anyway, I meant to say that they are going to try to find conflict everywhere they can.
But I do believe Kierons behavior is quite logical. Lets see what happened to Kieron in the last few months and his bounceback, which is anything but.
The guy fell in love, probably for the first time. This was in direct conflict with his job and the faith associated with it, not necesarily his own. He lost this job in shamefull way for him, he lost friends because of it (Myra) and the respect of others. But he has his man. He moved in with this young man that goes to college, and therefore, has no job. Yes, he contributes with his work as a DJ, but that is anything but stable. We saw him job hunting without success. The guy has to have a place to live and food to eat so he takes a job as a barkeep, which in today terms he might be called a mixologist, sounds better.
The point is that I dont think he has bounced back or settled, but he is on his way. Hes been through a lot and he needs some footing in his life, which that job will provide until he gets something better or, well, die. Sigh.
And about pressing John Paul. Even though he lied about JP and their relationship when he was priest, Kieron has been presented as an honest an direct man, no lies. And he proved it when the time needed it, he stood up for himself, John Paul and their relationship. I think thats why they are presenting him as not understanding why should this be a secret, especially to family.
The other thing is, when you see your fianceé avoiding telling his family you are going to get married, a red flag must go somewhere. There is something wrong there, maybe lack of commitment, and then panick sets in. Maybe his insistence is a way of testing if JPs commitment is as strong as his, especially since he is feeling cold feet under the covers. (That is evident in todays episode, Kierons commitment; BTW I dont know if its on Youtube yet but dont miss it).
So I dont think the way he is acting is so out of left field, I find it understandable. And you are right, the proposal was in character for JP. But the acceptance was completely out of character for Kieron. But that is love for ya.
Fill Your Boots
There should be tension about the wedding
Kieron was a priest most of his adult life. A life of commitment with the comfort of rites...
He might be gay now, but his nature doesn't change. He still needs these things. He is afraid and facing a new world. He, therefore, is looking for some sense by clinging to old patterns (rites and commitments).
I might be wrong but it makes sense to me that he would be enthousiastic about marriage. To be committed to John Paul would satisfy part of his need for it.
John Paul's life is only beginning. He has not finished his studies yet, barely out of his teens; commitment is the last thing he needs.
Can't they just date and enjoy life?
Should have read Lily's post first
I just read Lily of the Valley's post who explained the situation Kieron is in much better than I did.
I really think Kieron is
I really think Kieron is pretty much at the same point in his life as is John Paul (uh not sure if I turned that sentence right but you know what I mean) if not less advanced, emotionally and physically. He was a Priest after all and as far as we know never really had another relationship, actually we don't even know if he ever had sex before John Paul (probably... hopefully... or did he want to be Priest that early in his life ?). After all the age, in that case, doesn't really count, does it ?
I also agree with ms.bossy, the wedding for Kieron is a reminder of his former life, for him a wedding is something really important and is a sign of love and trust. I think he takes it as a proof that John Paul really loves him. The thing is, John Paul probably don't feel that strong about it. I'm not saying he doesn't love him and doesn't wanna marry him but he might not realize how much it means to Kieron.
Plus...don't want to break the charm... but TPTBprobably just needed a way to really show how their couple wasn't just a little thing but something that could've last... just to prepare to Craig's return. If he didn't come back I'm pretty sure we would've had the classic gay storyline of the open relationship... Well actually I like to think that Hollyoaks is special and that they would have come up with something a lot more original.
Kieron's far from innocent ;)
I really think Kieron is pretty much at the same point in his life as is John Paul (uh not sure if I turned that sentence right but you know what I mean) if not less advanced, emotionally and physically. He was a Priest after all and as far as we know never really had another relationship, actually we don't even know if he ever had sex before John Paul (probably... hopefully... or did he want to be Priest that early in his life ?). After all the age, in that case, doesn't really count, does it ?
all the age? one or two years maybe ;)
I like to disagree. Kieron told JP that he got quite a bit around before the thing with the dog collar happened, heart trampled on and things, knowing exactly what he's missing etc - so he def. isn't innocent in the least. And he usually was and to some point still is portrayed as someone with a very high emotional intelligence (as shown in all his dealings with Myra & Ste for example). In that he is far far superior to JP. (Of course Kieron's intelligence in any way possible lowers itself to null in the presence of Niall - but he's not the only one with THAT phenomenon)
To me the problem seems to be, that this doesn't fit in with what the writers now have in mind with the JP-Kieron-relationship & the JP-Craig-relationship. It seems to me like they are searching for a way to make way for JP & Craig without making JP look like a total jerk. And at the moment they unconvincingly try to give Kieron the role of the black sheep in this. Might change though... I'm not sure they actually know what they're doing at the mo ;)
I don't understand your last paragraph:if Craig would not return: open relationship? with Kieron? I don't think so ;)
Oh and I just have to say :
Oh and I just have to say : We need to see Kris in his own storyline really soon ! ! ! !
I love that character and kinda sick of just seeing him helping out/making fun/hanging arroung other people's couple ! When are we gonna see him in action ? He's bisexual, that gives so much things to do for him ! Please give us some Kris action !
I used to fancy a Kris/John Paul relationship but I changed my mind, Kris/Kieron would be so much better !
Kris and Kieron <3
...and Kris definitely had the hots for Kieron at some point. Jingles his jangle! I would've liked that pairing. Or at least one where they're very intimate friends.
I agree with people here referring to the out-of-character and wonky writing, etc. But I don't think Kieron is being pushy, he's got every reason to think that JP is getting cold feet - he's avoiding the topic, he's got that unsure look on his face. Yet Kieron is still so patient and calm and always says 'ok'. This makes me want to bitchslap JP. I mean, look how Kieron fills that gray shirt...and those lips...and those eyes..ok, I'm shutting up now.
Kris would've made him happy. He can teach him how to walk on those heels.
I would have love for Kieron