Keith Olbermann has a message for the RNC's latest anti-gay idiocy: "WTF?"Desperate times call for desperate measures, and the Republican Party is increasingly grasping at straws in their attempt to appear relevant. Now RNC Chairman Michael Steele has decided to raid the Republican "greatest hits" catalog and paint gays as the big bad boogeyman. There's a twist this time, though. Realizing that the "marriage-equality will destroy the fabric of society" chestnut isn't working as well anymore, he's decided to take a different approach and prey on people's economic fears to suggest that "gays will drive you to the poorhouse!" Needless to say this doesn't sit well with ally Keith Olbermann, who dedicated last night's "WTF?" segment to Steele and his nonsense. Above you can see Keith eviscerate the arguments. I guess it's back to the drawing board for the RNC. Submitted by on Tue, 2009-05-19 14:54. |
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Conflicting messages in Conservativism
Steele continues his downward spiral into absurdity here. It's not any great surprise. But I am left wondering if he has bothered to compare notes with the official conservative line on this one.
The (mostly religious) Right wingf of his movement has long argued that homosexuality is a simple psychological disorder which can be "cured" through therapy, prayer or both. The loud proponents of this argument, such as Focus on the Family, claim that it fully possible for homosexuals to "change" and become "normal" heterosexuals, get married (to a member of the opposite sex) and have families. Just like God intended.
Steele seems to be weighing in with an argument that is not only counter to that of LGBT rights activists, but also with that of the Right of his own party. In essence the argument he is (unthinkingly) making is that it is actually preferrable, from the point of view of businesses, for people to be homosexual, and subject to legally-enforced singlehood. After all, single homosexuals are cheaper than married ones according to the proposed logic.
But if a gay guy were to decide to take up James Dobson on his assurances that they can be "cured", and went out, joined an "ex-gay" group and married some woman (an "ex-lesbian" perhaps?) then wouldn't the business be obligated to provide benefits coverage for the resulting "heterosexual" marriage by law anyway? The financial cost would still be there, to be borne by the employer.
Of course, taking up the "slippery slope" argument (something conservatives are fond of doing) this argument ultimately leads to the suggestion that people being single in general is better for businesses, as it reduces their legal liabilities in terms of benefits such as insurance. After all, a "traditional family values" employee with a spouse and lots of kids can be a heavy burden for a small business, what with the cost of insuring the spouse and children.
Perhaps this is part of some new "pro-business" angle Mr Steele is promoting? After all, forcing companies to care for the families of their workers smacks of "socialism". Maybe Steele is one of those extreme "personal responsibility" conservatives and the gay argument is just a prelude to a larger stance that everyone should be responsible for their own insurance?
Or maybe he's just an idiot who doesn't think through anything he says any more than Dubya did?
Ditto...to everything
I laughed out loud when I read his comments over the weekend. What a complete TOOL. He's the worst possible kind of politician, one who will say and do absolutely anything to get elected/stay in power. Aside from the points that you and Keith made, there's also the fact that any business, but particularly small ones, generate more business through positive PR in their communities than through exclusion. So making your employees feel valued will likely lead them to encourage their friends and family to support the business leading to more success.
Also, I thought it was pretty funny that Steele seemed to indirectly make an argument in favor of reducing the cost of health insurance on employers, i.e. a national health plan. Any small and a lot of larger businesses just can't keep up with the cost of health care anymore. If they had a viable public option to private coverage, they could save major overhead and, GASP, make more of a profit and an even pay their employees a bit more. Sounds like something conservatives and progressives could both like.
Of course the irony is that the grand flaw in Obama's dream of a public health care alternative is that gay couples, especially those pesky married ones, probably couldn't buy into the plan as a family due to DOMA. Looks like Steele's not the only one who forgot to look before he leaped.
FWIW...
The protests of the benefits costing too much are familiar to me since that's how Hawaii businesses (not small businesses, I should add, but the "Big Five") reacted to the civil unions bill meant as an argument against same-sex marriage. (The state was still appealing the State Supreme Court's decision and they hoped that a civil unions bill -- though this one didn't do much more than open up spousal benefits to state employees -- would allow the state to argue that marriage rights were no longer unequal.)
In addition to arguing that the state was forcing them to take on additional costs, they worried about people abusing the system and making arrangements over the internet to get into fraudulent unions for the sake of the employer benefits. Apparently, marrying someone just for the legal benefits isn't possible until we allow the gays to marry and I Married Dora was a sitcom about a legitimate marriage.
Anyway, US News had an interesting reaction saying that Steele's comments boiled down to "more people marrying is bad for small business".
WTF is right!
I'm trying to understand the logic of this argument:
let's say you have two employees who are both unmarried.
one gets married to member of the opposite sex.
one gets married to a member of the same sex.
this costs more for the employer because he has to provide health benefits to two spouses instead of one.
whereas, if there are two employees, both unmarried, and...
one marries a member of the opposite sex.
the other ALSO marries a member of the opposite sex.
this costs the employer more money because he has to provide health benefits for two spouses instead of one.
so the"gay" variable has no effect on the outcome.
Something tells me Steele might not be the sharpest shovel in the sand.
I think you're missing the point of..............
Maternity Leave
Is now properly referred to as "parental leave." It is covered under the Family and Medical Leave Act and the Pregnancy Discrimination Act. Under FMLA, prospective parents are entitled to time off for the birth/adoption of a child. Under PDA, employers cannot discriminate in hiring or other matters based on pregnancy status (or the possibility of pregnancy). In other words, these matters are covered, but only in places where the parties involved can be legally married or registered domestic partners.
Keith
Keith needs to be on mainstream TV not cable. NBC needs to have him to a Sunday morning show (following Meet the Press) that takes the absurd statements by the Republicans and reveals them for the absurdity they are.
Fell out of the stupid
Fell out of the stupid tree, hit every branch on the way down, and no one in the GOP man enough to break his fall.
When he talks he sometimes gives the impression he has someone behind him, poking him in the back with a big stick and saying, 'for chrissakes get out there and say something, you keep quiet and it makes us look bad.'
The irony. And he can't do sums either? Basic economy and basic common sense getting away from the opposition. This must be a very confusing time for you over there, watching this idiot puppet show and not knowing whether to sit there, jaw hitting the carpet in disbelief, or laughing hysterically like you ate the whole plate of special cookies.