it comes from lukemacfarlane.org, which is a fan site, so take it with a grain of salt.

I agree with this -- I think it's a safe bet.  I just always like to wait for official word, is all. :)

Eric Winter also has a movie deal to co-star in the new movie with Katherine Heigl in it. This movie will also take a chunk of his time as well. It's been officially announced on his official website.

KC

Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Online

This doesn't seem to be a complete view of what's happening (admittedly, the synopsis of the spoilers is somewhat confusing).  Yes, in 2.14, Kevin asks Scotty if he wants to enter into a domestic partnership as way of getting Scotty onto Kevin's insurance policy.  (I disagree that makes them seem superficial. Making sure one's partner is not uninsured would be a concern of any couple, gay or straight.)

But Kevin points out under CA law, you need only fill out application and get it notarized for the DP to take effect.  In other words, no ceremony is necessary.

Therefore, if the spoiler about Kevin/Scotty having a wedding in the finale (2.16) is correct, then that means it clearly IS done for romantic reasons.  The commitment ceremony itself would have no legal significance (again, the DP would take effect upon the filing of the papers), but it clearly would have significance for Kevin/Scotty in terms of declaring their commitment to their family and friends. 

Put differently...I think the wedding (if true) will be very sweet and done for the right reasons.

I am all for scotty/kevin....but i am not feeling the "oh, let's do this to help your money issues..." idea. I say that because while I know Kevin means best, I wouldn't be surprised if the show had this as a way to create more problems with kevin and scotty. eh, we'll see how it plays out

 

 

I fail to see how we can label it an "afterthought" without having seen the final 4 episodes yet.  It really lies all in the execution, doesn't it?

My point was that the decision to have a wedding -- a ceremony publicly declaring their commitment -- will likely be separate and apart from the DP discussion.  At most, I think the DP stuff will just be an impetus for K/S to start thinking more broadly about their relationship and how committed they are to each other.  If they decide to have a wedding, it will be because of their love for each other and their decision to be together for the long haul.

And I see nothing tawdry in that whatsoever. 

But shouldn't a DP be treated with the same commitment as a marriage? I think that the main reason why Scotty is not enthousiastic is BECAUSE doing this for financial reasons is the wrong reason. And I don't think that Kevin would offer this, if he wasn't serious about his feelings for Scotty. I hope this is more about Scotty giving him a reminder that a slightly more romantic approach would be appreciated over the practical approach of things. :-)

The romantic development of Kevin/Scotty could NEVER be like that of Robert/Kitty and will HAVE to in our imagination, because the show could never show the intimacies between Kevin/Scotty as they have for Robert/Kitty. Imagine the ruffled feathers if they would show a scene of Kevin/Scotty waking up? ... together? .. in the same bed...? Maybe, you know, even lying close together? You'd have a revolution on your hands.

Robert/Kitty can be together, kiss eachother and undress eachother partially in front of the camera, without offending anyone. You think you could do that for Kevin/Scotty. (I'd wish!) No way! Although I can at least dare the writers of B&S to give it a try, no? :-D 

But I think, it would indeed be wise to first have a look at what the writers will come with.

 

 

I understand your points, but again it's a matter of execution.  I disagree insofar as I do think this can done in a way that the ceremony in the season finale is as romantic and celebratory as it deserves to be. 

For one, I don't think the ceremony is to make the DP "official" because for that purpose it's entirely extraneous.  The official act of DP is the filing of the papers, period.  

Rather, I think the fact that Kevin put DP on the table at all, for practical reasons or not, suggests he already is thinking of his relationship with Scotty in a long-term sense.  (It's just like Kevin to have his heart in the right place, but to be oblivious about the social circumstances of his offer.) And for that reason, I think this will open up a dialogue between Kevin/Scotty about where they're at and where they see their future.  (Remember, there is a 3-month time gap in 2.13.)  And I can certainly envision a scene where Kevin tells Scotty how he nearly lost him the year before, but now that they're back together, each having grown as poeple in the interim, that he realizes Scotty is "the one" for him.

In other words, it wouldn't be about making the DP official, but rather the DP would be used as the catalyst for Kevin/Scotty to openly discuss these issues and make the decision, together, to take this most important step. 

If that's the way the storyline goes, I think it can work because the writers will be emphasizing that the ceremony is being done because they love each other and want to stay together.  And yes, they haven't had as much screentime as Robert/Kitty (who has?), but with solid writing coupled with the believable chemistry between Matthew and Luke, I think they can pull it off.

And to end on a general note...if any network series has made the argument that gay relationships should be treated the same as straight relationships (including the same type of recognition), it is B&S.  The show has its flaws, but they have always treated Kevin's relationships with the same depth and humanity as those of the straight characters.  Kevin/Scotty have their conflicts, but they are an appealing and convincing couple, and the last few episodes in particular drove that home to me.  Perhaps I'm naive, but I think most regular viewers of the show would be delighted at the prospect of Kevin finding happiness and deciding to share his life with Scotty.

 

Just to clarify...The fact that in order for the DP to be official, it only needs an application and notarization?  That is specifically said by Kevin in the episode when he talks to Scotty about it, according to the casting sides sent out.  Straight viewers don't need to know about the intricacies of CA law; the episode supplies that info for them.  And thus the writers are clearly differentiating between the legal aspects of a DP, and the undeniably romantic dimensions of a commitment ceremony -- since one is not needed for the other.  They are separate decisions.

That means the straight audience will come to understand the significance of any commitment ceremony being about the love and devotion between these men, since they will know (having been informed by Kevin) that this has nothing to do with legality.  If they take this important step in having a wedding, it will be because they want to declare their commitment publicly and to each other, not because of benefits.

These are smart writers, and we know that Berlanti (an openly gay man) is overseeing the development of these final 4 episodes.  For now, I trust that they will give us the necessary romantic focus so that it's clear to the audience, gay and straight alike, that the commitment ceremony is being done for the right reasons--namely, because Kevin and Scotty want to share their life together.

As a final note, I totally relate to your desire that B&S remain a bright spot for us gay viewers, so I hope that the storyline is satisfactory in alleviating the concerns you have.  Let us cross our fingers and hope for the best.

 

...I think Psionycx is probably right about the heterosexual (and heavily female) audience this show draws (and the one that ABC frequently cites in their ratings press releases).  I may be wrong about this part, but I think most of the male homosexual fans also want to see some serious romance before this development occurs.

It really does come down to the writing and what the producers are willing to give this story in four episodes (let's face it, there should have been 10-11 more this season, not four).  In my opinion, Matthew and Luke can do anything the writers create for them, so acting is not even a consideration.

If the spoilers are correct, and I feel that they are, Greg Berlanti considers Kevin and Scotty's story one of the best ones to deliver as others were cut or postponed until next season.  If the correct writers pen the scripts and Greg (who I do believe is a romantic at heart) sprinkles them with his special magic, this arc could play out beautifully. 

If these things don't happen and the romance isn't present, powerful, and poignant, it could turn out to be a huge crapfest.  That would be a shame for every viewer.  I know it will be for me.

You might want to lay off the nipple rouge next time.

- Kirby, moviedearest.blogspot.com

Very happy indeed to hear that Luke McFarlane (Scotty) appears to be sticking around for the future. I just love Scotty and Kevin together as a couple. I admitt to having no remorse at seeing the back of Jason's head as he exits with pink slip in hand. No need for the writers to have a third wheel in this relationship. I've seen far too many of those type of relationships on TV, which now seem commonplace. Let's have that serious long term gay relationship which is so rare on TV. Good luck to Eric Winters with his future role in Moonlight.

"If the spoilers are correct, and I feel that they are, Greg Berlanti considers Kevin and Scotty's story one of the best ones to deliver as others were cut or postponed until next season.  If the correct writers pen the scripts and Greg (who I do believe is a romantic at heart) sprinkles them with his special magic, this arc could play out beautifully."

This is very true of Greg Berlanti..Kevin and Scotty are written with a lot of depth and care. It's also one of the most popular storylines on the show. There is a genuine vested interest from a substantial amount of fans on how Kevin and Scotty's relationship is going to unfold.  

"If these things don't happen and the romance isn't present, powerful, and poignant, it could turn out to be a huge crapfest.  That would be a shame for every viewer.  I know it will be for me."

I agree with you...the DP storyline can work very well ONLY if viewers can clearly see there is deep love commitment between Kevin and Scotty and them wanting to share their lives together for the long run. Which is why I understand and see both points of view from Psionycx and Kevinfan. This storyline could tip either way, validating their point.

 

 

 

I think Psionycx hit something on the nail to what my fears are currently about this future commitment ceremony. As I am all for Kevin & Scotty to tie the knot, I wasn't expecting it to be this early in the B&S storyline. And since we really haven't delved much into their relationship, since we only got many icings but never the actual cake, the future ceremony seems like a hop, skip and a jump forward. In real time, I know it's plausible for them to be fully committed to each other after just a year and a half, but we are on audience viewer time, and IMHO, it seems awfully quick.

In addition, the whole DP worries me. And we aren't sure why Kevin offered it as a solution to Scotty in the first place. Many of us conjecture it is for financial reasons, but why would Scotty need to worry about "life insurance" if he can't afford them? It's just something to ponder at the moment for another month or so.

KC

Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Online

I wasn't on about fan revolts dear...obviously the K/S fanbase are under the illusion that the relationship between Kevin and Scotty is fresh, original and interesting so what I meant was that in 10 years time the repercussions will be that the writers will realise how boring and unoriginal the Scotty and Kevin relationship was and how it hindered the show and that they had made a mistake by giving into the fans' demands.

I mean take this whole Domestic Partnership bullcrap...because Scotty is in financial problems? It would have been much more interesting to have a Domestic Partnership storyline around Kevin and Jason because they would have had to deal with the Church's views on the subject, this would have caused tension between Kevin and Jason...e.t.c. and Voila! You have a very interesting storyline that is fresh and original. The writers need to be focusing more on how to improve the show itself, not bending over backwards to please the fans. They need to re-evaluate their priorites. 

For the record, as is probably clear from my screenname, I am first and foremost a Kevin fan.  I was never a diehard Scotty fan during Season 1, but I much better appreciate their relationship this season and now hope for the best for them in the future.  Given this, I think I can be reasonably objective on this subject.

Which is to say, the claim that K/S are back together because the creators "bent over backwards to please is the fans" is, in my view, inaccurate and misplaced.  Both Berlanti and Baitz (when he was around) have spoken highly of the character of Scotty and his relationship with Kevin, and it stands to reason other writers on the B&S staff similarly liked the couple.  So there was already a predisposition for the characters to be reunited if the timing worked out and if it was a story the writers wanted to tell.

Surely, the K/S fanbase may have helped bolster that possibility.  Fan input is valuable.  But it's not determinative.  And in this case, I think it's pretty clear K/S got back together mainly because the writers felt he was the best match for Kevin. 

(As a sidenote, I never sensed Winter ever wished to make a long-term commitment to B&S.  That may have also entered into the equation.)

I think the writing of the individual episodes is often quite good -- the dialogue, the dynamics between the family members -- but, yes, what B&S needs to work on most are the planning of the story arcs.  Because there is a tendency to speed things up -- let's not forget Kitty popped the question after only dating Robert for 3 months. 

FYI, from Entertainment Weekly..."As for Kevin and Scotty, "We've to'd and fro'd for so long now," says Rhys. "I think we're ready to become a little more domesticated and settled in our relationship, which is about time."

ITA, Matthew. It's about time.

 

Bah, Berlanti and Baitz, they're just as disillusioned as the fans ;).

And Matthew Rhys is no longer a Briton in my eyes after reading that quote :P.

I absolutely love these developments.  Kevin and Scotty are a fantastic couple and cant wait to see these developments in these final episodes of this season.  Hope they are together for a long time to come.

I agree with Matthew on this. Enough is enough. I only hope that the storylines will be well built up. The writers seem to want to invest time in this relationship. A lot can happen in the 3 episodes that lead up to the finale (2.16) and things can even happen in the finale itself. For now, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and I can always complain once I've seen the final result. :-D

My personal preference is for Jason. What I don't like is that they seemed to have "butched" up Scotty. I loved when he first met Kevin and made him the southern classic "Red Velvet" cupcakes. He had that little "southern belle" thing going Just because Scotty has matured doesn't mean they had to lose his original characteristics. I was wondering why they did this. It could just be my read on it.