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Liveblogging "One Life To Live": True Confishions
Today's the day! Will Oliver gather the strength to confess to Kyle how he feels about him? If he does, how will Kyle react? And will Nick find out? Join us for the fun, and refresh for updates! *And be sure and check back later when Ed Kennedy gives us a Daytime Drive-By of As The World Turns. Will Mason finally make his move?
2:05PM EST: I wish my town had it own sleazy tabloid like Llanview. Dorian is incensed that her old mug shot is in The Sun and orders DVTM to snoop around Viki and find some dirt. Viki starts her meeting with Nick (Chavez) (is this the first time we've heard his last name?), who immediately urges her to throw her support behind Llanview's same-sex marriage initiative. Viki is "wha-wha-wha-what?" Oliver tells Kyle that the thing he's most sorry about is losing him, and he "still cares about him". Oh, Oliver, you can do better than that. 2:10PM EST: Viki talks about "alternative lifestyles" and how outdated the former mayor's opinions were. DVTM storms in and interrupts and introduces himself to "Nick Chavez, head of Llanview's Llanview Gay & Lesbian Alliance of Llanview". Nick tells DVTM he's interested to know Dorian's opinion on same-sex rights, and DVTM's face drops to the floor, as Viki smirks. Kyle tells Oliver "when you walked out on me, I never stopped thinking about you". Oliver says "I made the biggest mistakes you can make, but I've walked through that door, and I want a real life. I WANT YOU, KYLE, AND I DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS IT". Meanwhile Layla is incensed that Cris encouraged Oliver to tell Kyle. She thinks it's a disaster waiting to happen. 2:20PM EST: OOH! Angry Kyle comes out (hot) and blasts Oliver for doing this. He says "So, suddenly because you're ready I'm supposed to just drop my whole life? What if you chicken out? What if your dad gets sick, or your mom? What if I'm different than what you knew? What if it doesn't work out again! FISH PLEASE!". Oliver says "You said you've forgiven me!", and Kyle says "I have, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten all the time that you hurt me". 2:30PM EST: Oliver tells Kyle "I'm ready to be with you", and Kyle says "you've been out, what, a week? You're brand new, buddy, and it's exciting, and scary, and all out there for you, and now's not the time to go running back to your college boyfriend". Oliver looks stunned and says "that's not why I'm here". Kyle says"look, the timing's off. I'm not the same person. I've made mistakes, and done things I regret, and I need to get my life back together. And you should be out there celebrating. Aren't you curious about what you've been missing?" Oliver says "You! I've been missing you. I love you Kyle, and I think you still love me". Kyle responds with a very hot nostril flare. 2:40PM EST: AWW! Kyle tells Oliver that he's in another place. He's with a new guy who cares about him, and is out and proud, and an activist. He says "sorry, Oliver, It's just not to going to work between us". Oliver looks ready to break down. Viki tells Nick about all of the gay people that are on her campaign, and Nick asks DVTM if Dorian's campaign has any gay representation. In a hilarious scene, DVTM talks about Andre ... the hairdresser ... who's a genius. 2:50PM EST: Ha! Dorian's new ad campaign is, I kid you not "YES SHE CAN". DVTM tells Dorian she need to hire herself "a queen". UGH! My audio kicked out and I didn't hear Oliver and Kyle's jukebox breakup convo, but it kicked in just in time to see Nick interrupt. Oliver walks away and Nick sits down, but Kyle is still too wounded to to hear Nick's good news. Oliver walks over to Layla and Cris, and says "that went well". Cris says "at least you took a chance, which is more than I did". Layla says "Oliver, it was probably too soon. I know I'm not ready, and if Prince Charming walked through the door right now, I wouldn't even know it". Oliver and Cris look at each other as their eyes fall out and roll across the floor. DVTM tells Dorian she needs to hire a lot more gay people, specifically a "gay man in a big job". Dorian's eyes flash that deliciously evil red and she says "I already have one". DVTM looks perplexed and says "Who?" Dorian simply says "You". Preview Time: Ha! it's getting good, and we'll be back next week! Submitted by on Fri, 2009-10-02 13:50.  Thoughts from Soap Opera Weekly's Mala Bhattacharjee...Submitted by
jsg03jd (3249 points) (680 posts) on Fri, 2009-10-02 22:41....in the matter of Nuke v. KNick: http://badnecklace.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/nuke-vs-kick-kish/#comment-224 I'm a huge fan of this writer, and I think I grew to love her writing a little more because of this blog entry!  thanks youSubmitted by
Valentina (160 points) (32 posts) on Sat, 2009-10-03 13:05.I like Mala's column
 Her blog, and the commentsSubmitted by
BobbyBaby (666 points) (152 posts) on Sat, 2009-10-03 13:23.Her blog, and the comments that follow, are spot on. Plus there is the added bonus that her posting immediately generated a firestorm of rabid, torch-wielding fangirl hysteria from the Nuke worshippers at the VH fansite, which is always good for a laugh. SeriouslySubmitted by
jjose712 (2945 points) (629 posts) on Sat, 2009-10-03 16:34.I don't understand why someone could be offended by her blog, she is completely respetous and fair with Nuke, in fact she even has hopes the story gets better and recognize all their merits. But she is right, a little bit of Kish on Nuke storyline will do miracles
Take a look for yourselfSubmitted by
jsg03jd (3249 points) (680 posts) on Sun, 2009-10-04 01:43.I saw nothing malicious in Ms. Bhattacharjee's thoughts posted in her personal blog. The hardcore Nukers, and it's not all of them to be fair, however, simply are incapable of having a rational discussion about how bad ATWT's show runners are compared to OLTL's without personalizing it and turning the discussion into one where their idol Jake Silbermann is the whipping boy, where the world has forgotten that Nuke blazed the trial for KNISH, and that Nuke are the best thing since sliced white bread even though Ms. Bhattacharjee explicitly acknowledged Nuke for paving the way for KNISH and she said nothing to single out the ATWT actors and was mainly targeting the writing for the show. Van Hansis is such a great talent and he does his best with the garbage he's given. So the blame lies not with the actors but ATWT's show runners, but some Nukers simply see the world differently. See, for example: http://forums.vanhansis.net/topic/6645447/2/#new http://forums.vanhansis.net/topic/6645413/2/#new These threads were closed in a short span of time, by the way. I personally believe that it's good thing we have KNISH and Nuke and that these two stories should co-exist and challenge each other and build on one another. Because at the end of the day, when both stories are told well and both ATWT and OLTL comes out with great work product, we the audience are the true winners. I can'tSubmitted by
jjose712 (2945 points) (629 posts) on Sun, 2009-10-04 06:30.For some strange reason i've never able to enter on van hansis forums (maybe it's my conection), but i can imagine the comments. When i read that other soaps will start gay storylines i thought it'll be great news for Nuke fans, because competence usually is good for the quality, and i still hope that happens when the new writers storyline starts (i'm optimistic but there's a strong posibility to be dissapointed). What make me angry is the disrespect for the actors, Van and Jake has to face all the crap about the kissing ban, they are used all the time as publicity, but their reward is bad storylines and little airtime. It's time to things change, if they really want to save the show (and i think they want) they need to use them, because they are one of the most popular characters (and ratings are usually good the days they are on). And i really hope that they use kish example, not in the storyline, but in the way of the characters are integrated in other storylines. All it'll be easier if they are not isolated, the relationship with other characters bring new opportunities of stories, and it'll be good if they show their daily works, as OLTL do with Kyle and Oliver (and i think they'll do the same with Nick).
What's with all this KISH vs Nuke stuffSubmitted by
freeman (350 points) (74 posts) on Sat, 2009-10-03 15:30.What's with all this KISH versus Nuke stuff. Why can't everbody just appreciate both couples...the way I do?
Because it's fun!Submitted by
BobbyBaby (666 points) (152 posts) on Sat, 2009-10-03 16:08.Because it's fun! Seriously, though, these are the two prominent gay relationship storylines on American soaps at this time, so it is relevant to compare how well or poorly the respective shows are doing at telling these stories. I don't see what the problem is, or why everyone should be required to like both, either, or neither. The process has been in effect for the two German soaps, for those who follow them, over the past two years. AWZ came out blazing with a hot DeRo storyline (witty, intense, sexy, asburd) and then the show went to sh*t just as VL caught fire with their deliriously romantic and sexy Ollian story. But currently, Ollian is as dull and backburned as Nuke, while DeRo is suddenly the most exciting, sexy, and drop dead funny gay romance on the air. Who would have thunk it? I find it interesting to watch and track how the various shows are doing in their portrayals of gay relationships and how they change over time. Since this is not a fan site for any of these couples, though it has fans posting for all of them, why not compare them at any given time? Well, let's be honest here...Submitted by
jsg03jd (3249 points) (680 posts) on Sun, 2009-10-04 01:15....you have chimed in numerous times in KISH discussions not to appreciate them, but essentially to denigrate and cast them in an unfavorable light in order to prop up your favorite couple of all time: NUKE. You even not-so-subtly reminded "seafood lovers" that but for Nuke, there would be no KNISH - a proposition that no one ever contested in the first place. Most of us do appreciate these two gay male daytime American stories, call their shit out when necessary and praise them when it's deserved. But you are being extremely disingenuous by saying that *you* appreciate KNISH when a quick glance of your history of posts clearly evidence your preference for Nuke over KNISH. Indeed, you're one of the reasons whey there is a "v." between Nuke and KNISH when it's completely unnecessary to pit them against each other in a favoritism war. Each show has merits and detriments and comparisons are inevitable, but don't come out now and make it seem you've been neutral all along vis-a-vis Nuke and KNISH. Ain't buying it, freeman.  kyle is rightSubmitted by
chub4bears (476 points) (95 posts) on Sun, 2009-10-04 11:19.
after all the hurt and heartbreak kyle has endured, he's supposed to drop his briefs because oliver snaps his fingers (even though i would) ?? oliver is caught up in the adrenaline rush of being newly out...what if he changes his mind again because he missed his chance to play the field before settling down? do my bracelets make me look fat?  OliverSubmitted by
Anthony D. Langford (7860 points) (1724 posts) on Sun, 2009-10-04 15:39.Oliver seems like the 'meet Mr. Right and settle down' kind of guy. So I don't really think he needs to play the field. But he should probably date a guy or two, if only to say he did. I gotta say I really loved those scenes on Friday. I loved hearing Oliver say those things to Kyle because I thought he never would... and I think Kyle deserved to hear them... even if it's not what he wanted to hear. Actually, I think he wanted to hear them.... he's just afraid to do anything about it. Oh and someone mentioned that they didn't know if we'd see the guys next week. This is not a spoiler thread so I won't spoil anything, but all three of them will be on and it's going to be an interesting week for them. Lots of good stuff. One spoiler for Oliver made me chuckle.  OLTL this weekSubmitted by
j U d E (3541 points) (897 posts) on Sun, 2009-10-04 16:30.
Oh and someone mentioned that they didn't know if we'd see the guys next week. This is not a spoiler thread so I won't spoil anything, but all three of them will be on and it's going to be an interesting week for them.
That was me and that is great news!
Lots of good stuff. One spoiler for Oliver made me chuckle. As for the rest you wrote, I agree. I tend to agree with most of what you say anyway, I've noticed. And true! Kyle deserved to hear those things Oliver told him. Even if he doesn't know what to do about it, it definitely made him think! Love those guys!-------------------------------- Would somebody hug OLIVER, already!?  Agree about OliverSubmitted by
Psionycx (8606 points) (1744 posts) on Sun, 2009-10-04 16:35.Oliver's parents strike me as being from that part of the world where it's usually expected that you will marry your high school sweetheart not long after you reach an age where you can legally do so. So from an upbringing perspective I think that he probably idealizes the notion of finding a true love and settling down as opposed to having a wild extended bachelorhood. I can sympathize, having thrown away countless perfectly good relationships over the years because I wasn't ready to commit, only to now find myself alone. Being wild and free ain't all it's cracked up to be! But in any case, as far as Oliver's concerned he knows who he loves and wants to be with - Kyle. Now the challenge is convincing Kyle that he's not just caught up in the rush of coming out. |
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In fairness to Cris,
In fairness to Cris, he did look like he was still trying to work up the nerve to tell Layla when Fish came back over to them. We'll never know whether he would have followed through, though.
The Cris/Layla bickering today wasn't really too bad, but it brought back some unpleasant memories of their old fights. They were so awful I had to ff through some of them. They were like an old Moonlighting routine, with every ounce of humor drained out and the meanness cranked to 11.
I hope we don't start seeing that again, as it was painful to watch. Well, painfui to listen to, precisely.
Really?
Because I don't find them anything but delightful. I love Cris and Layla. They're really a couple you can root for.
In terms of Oliver, I don't want to see him cat around because that's not his character. But I'd like to see him meet someone, maybe through work or something and go out on a date or two. Not just so Oliver can have that experience, but so Kyle can see how much he doesn't like it. LOL!
They were worse in the day
Layla showed up at Evangeline's bedside, listened in to him pouring out his heart to his comatose girlfriend, then used everything he said to tear him apart. He responded by telling her that every man she'd dated left her because she was such a bitch and deserved it. No humor, no banter, just as stark and awful as that description sounds. TV characters throw the word "bitch" around a lot, but Cristian managed to deliver it in a way that gave it as much of a "punch to the gut" quality as when it's used in real life.
They've come a long way, obviously.
ita
Very realistic attitudes from both Kyle and Fish
Fish is newly out and wants to repair what he sees as the biggest mistake of his life, letting go of Kyle. Kyle, on the other hand,while admitting he still cares for Fish, is in an exciting new relationship with a man he genuinely cares about and he isn't going to drop Nick like a hot rock for Fish, who abandoned him and hurt him deeply.
This being soapland, that's not the end of the story, of course, but I'm really happy Kyle and Oliver had a full discussion about all this instead of weeks of them starting the same conversation over and over only to get interrupted by phone calls/people/gunfire/air horns/unicorns.
Yes, only in a soap town
Hmm
Suddenly not liking the Kyle.
This is a little clumsy on the writer's part. I mean, didn't we see Kyle avoiding sex with Nick after mooning over Oliver's picture in the paper? If he were more ambivalent about his relationship with Oliver then he wouldn't have hesitated with the sex with Nick.
If Kyle were really pissed off over how Oliver ended their relationship then he wouldn't have forgiven him the way he did. At least, a rational and stable personality would have told Oliver that he's still pissed off at him. Instead we have this ridiculous mood swing from affection to over-the-top anger.
And if Kyle is this unstable, then maybe the writers really should find someone else for Oliver. Maybe Cris has a brother?
But we also saw...
...Nick and Kyle the morning after they spent the night together. And I guess this is fanwanking territory, but I don't think Nick spent the night with Kyle so they could braid each other's hair.
There's a difference between forgiving and forgetting, and Kyle is entitled to forgive BUT NOT forget for his own sanity and emotional well-being. I don't see how that makes Kyle unstable at all; if anything, it shows how grounded Kyle is. Oliver is the one doing 180's left and right, and why would Kyle want to get caught up in that drama again when he has a hunky, secure BF in his life right now who isn't a newly out gay guy?
I don't think anger, so much as...
I think they're going for "Kyle knows he's still in love with Oliver but is totally scared to death of being hurt by him again, so he's denying himself the opportunity of getting back together with his true love because of that fear of heartache."
Least that's what I'm getting from Kyle. Could be wrong... :-)
this is so off topic, but i am really jealous that you...
this is so off topic, but i am really jealous that you have a top hat tihkon2. those are one of my favorite hats (too many fred astaire movies) and i can never find them which is amazing to me, seeing as i can find fedoras all over the place and people ( besides me really) rarely wear fedoras these days. *sigh* tis the story of my life...
;-)
Thanks Liz!
I'm glad you like it. :-)
I was just lucky though. It was my Grandfather's. It's from his and my grandmother's wedding back in Germany in 1926.
well, it suits you...
well, it suits you just fine. :-)
interesting that your grandfather kept it. you always hear about the wedding dress being saved, but never anything from the grooms side
I'm Going to Disagree
I think ambivalent feelings are entirely reasonable in this situation.
Fish's award for heroism was leaving Kyle feeling unusually nostalgiac for a couple of days. While I think he always has feelings for Fish, I don't think they would normally be so strong as to interfere with his ability to be in the moment with Nick. (I think they'll interfere with his ability to be with Nick long-term, but that's a different kettle of...)
Considering that he laid his heart on the line just weeks ago, and got slapped down HARD, I think vascillating between anger and affection isn't ridiculous at all.
Kyle too unstable? How about shoving someone against a wall, screaming to keep his filthy hands off of him, then showing up a couple of weeks later, declaring that he's in love and ready to commit?
And for those keeping score at home, that's two days in a row I defended Kyle over Fish. :)
Cris does have a brother, but don't hold your breath on that score. Although it would give The Guppy a sister.
Say, I wonder if Antonio ever caught Carlo Hesser?
spread the words
everyone please tell someone you know this weekend, to start watching OLTL. Besides the gay storyline, this show is well written/produced and most importantly talented actors that deliver
wholesome laughter has great face value
kyle is right.
I called this weeks ago and I'm glad the writers went down this road. It's totally consitent for Kyle, a guy who is NOT fresh from the closet, to be able to tell what stages Oliver is going to go through. He's totally correct to be cautious about getting into any kind of relationship, currently, with Oliver.
But there is another hazard for Kyle and it will be interesting to see if they explore it with Kyle and Nick. Nick is an activist. Not a part time activist either...he is a community leader. It's very hard to date someone like Nick because you're always held up as a standard or an example. Kyle is not looking for any kind of spotlight. He's trying to become a doctor and just wants some love in his life.
Either relationship has it's inherent pitfalls.
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Read this book, it's excellent! Angels of the Deep
ooo!
I just thought... how embarassing would it be for Nick if Kyle were caught, say, doctoring a paternity test for a certain Guppy? And, instead of Kyle going back to Fish, he were single because Nick dumped him over that? That could feed a whole 'nother cycle of the story.
"Wurlitzer Prize"
anyone know of that song? i just heard it on the "classic country" channel on tv. (i hate modern country, but love CLASSIC country.)
anyways, that song totally reminded me of oliver, probably not ready to get over and move on from Kyle. random, i know. as you were.
poor Ollie
what a heartbreaking episode today! i feel so bad for Oliver,poor guy,he went through a lot of hard things last time and now he got another one punch,ouch! Though Kyle is right in some point,it's couldn't be resolve so easy between them,there is too much painful memories and too much doubts for Kyle,so i'm looking forward to see Nick and Kyle developing romance,what an exciting story! huh? so far OLTL doing just a great job!
couldn't
kyle choice
I think (and hope) that Kyle's choice was based on the fear to be hurt againg. In the end when Nick arrived he seemed still effected by his conversation with Oliver
Maybe it's too soon for them to start again as a couple but the feelings are definitively still there for both
Music?
We see Kyle slide a coin into the Jukebox. What was the song playing after that? I didn't recognize it.
And, any of you think, we'll see Oliver 'explore what he has been missing' (excluding Kyle)? I wonder. I understand Kyle's hesitations. Totally. But I'm surprised he suggested Oliver to go out there and 'celebrate'. I'm sure Kyle wouldn't appreciae it, should Oliver really follow Kyle's advice.
The scene where they talk in the hospital (September 22 episode) and Oliver is about to give details on what happened with him and that woman he slept with after getting drunk, Kyle interrupts him and doesn't want to hear. He had a look on his face saying 'I don't want to hear, because I don't want you to sleep with other people (except me)' (be it girl or boy).
Kyle's look, when he hears that Oliver went home with a woman (something tells me Kyle would be even less thrilled, if he heard about Oliver being with another man..)
I looove Cris and Fish as friends! I love Cris and Layla as ... well.. love them! For a second there I thought Layla was going to interrupt Oliver and Kyle, though! I wouldn't have liked her, had she done that! Good thing Cris held her back. Also, Id's say Layla has lost more than an impeccable gaydar! She has lost her social/emotional skill-dar too!
Love Oliver (Scott Evans), when he took off his cap and rumpled (is that the word?) his hair! It's nicer like that in my opinion.
Would somebody hug OLIVER, already!?
Scott's Hair
The Hair
adorbale!
Aww
She sure was!
Layla dropped a whole jar of kumquats. Fell back into the sweet midgets. ;Þ
I agree with Kyle. Fish needs to go find Rex & Brody and make a manwich to pass the time while we wait for the bloom to fall off Kick's rose.
The audio you missed was pretty good, snicks. Oliver nutted up and just flat-out asked Kyle if he wasn't just with Nick because the sex is good. Guess he didn't manage to complete divert his gaze that time Nick stripped for him at the gym. Fish sneaked a peek at Kyle's new cuddle-monkey!
I love it.
Manwich
Sigh. I can't believe you passed up an opportunity to be the first to use the word "fishwich" in this thread.
Apparently...
...Llanview has quite a sizable LGBT population, and one that votes in local elections, natch! I'm sure Oliver can have his pick of the sausages available in town, but he seems to be a one-man man... or is he? :o)
Re: the audio issues - mine went out when Oliver told Kyle that Oliver still loved him. The hell was up with ABC today?
i have to admit
Oliver's uniform
Why is Oliver wearing his uniform (not that I mind) all the time, when he's clearly off duty? Or is he actually on duty? If so, he seems to have a hell of lot free time.. even if it's his lunch break.
Would somebody hug OLIVER, already!?
Not only that...
...but that was one helluva long lunch break. It was lights out when Oliver ordered his food yesterday, but by the time Kyle told him to take a hike, it was already dark (at least inside Rodi's). But Brody was playing the role of McBain's Bitch today, so I guess Oliver was free.
I wasn't a massive fan of the U.S. QAF but the dialogue here between Oliver and Kyle is an expanded and more sensitive version of the one between Peter Paige's character and that closeted football player whom Emmett let go because the football player had just come out of the closet and Emmett felt that his newly lout lover needed to sow his oats. Sadly, I don't think Oliver is the type to whore and slut around with men (like he did with women)...
Matt Battaglia!
On QAF that was Matt Battaglia, playing Emmett's football boyfriend Drew Boyd. Loved the guy and them together as a couple.
On Will & Grace, there was Karen's cousin(?) Barry (Dan Futterman) who had just come out. Will and Jack transformed him into that one sexy dude with who Will fell in love with. Barry though, new to gaydom, wanted to explore the world out there and didn't respond to Will, the way Will had expected.
It's different with Fish of course, because Barry had never been with a man, whereas Oliver has (with Kyle only though - I assume). Still, the fact that Oliver wants Kyle and Kyle only is pretty amazing.
Poor him though - having to watch the love of his life kiss another guy. In public, for everyone else to see. To see that Kyle's with Nick. I don't know what the reason will be for Kyle and Nick to seperate (if that's what will happen, but I think it will), but I hope it's not Oliver breaking them up, but rather Kyle ending things with Nick. I mean, it's not quite the same thing.
I wonder if we'll find out about Kyle's past boyfriends. Also, I would like to hear how Kyle and Oliver met and how they knew that they were both gay. I mean, with Oliver so deep in the closet, so disgusted by himself, overwhelmed by self-hate and shame, how did he have the guts to make it clear to Kyle that he was interested.
I like what Cris's got going on hair-wise
I don't know if there will be much KISH next week, so just because -
Another cute Fish picture - looking at Cristian
Oliver having been told that he is perfect the way he is
Kyle after having been told by Oliver that he loves him and that he thinks Kyle is in love with him too
Oliver hurting..
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Would somebody hug OLIVER, already!?
Kick Breakup
Pure, unspoiled speculation on my part:
Now that Kyle is back in the hospital, I predict our thoughts on Kyle hiding the parternity are now looking likely again. Moreover, when the truth comes out (hopefully without publicly exposing Kyle to more prosecution and unemployment, since who wants to see that again?), Nick dumps him because he's obviously still in love with Oliver, and Oliver is angry with Kyle because he hid the existence of his son or daughter from him. Early on, Kyle had rough times, and lately Fish has, so I think next cycle the arrow will point back to Kyle.
I guess.
Yes, that could happen. Nick dumping Kyle.
Oliver being angry with Kyle who knows about Stacy's baby could be interesting to see too and to add some spice and complexity to KISH as a couple. But first, I want to see KISH as a happy couple.. I think they should be able to be happy for a while. Not for 1,5 or 2 years, like OLLIAN. It's a bit bland over there. I would like to see someone stir up their happy-couple routine. The most interesting would be another man, for which Christian develops a crush. He had never been with a man before Olli and to see whether he could actually have feelings for another man would be interesting to see. I don't want Olli to fall in love with another man or even a woman. More intriguing would be Christian having feelings for another man, making things complicated for OLLIAN.
It's different for KISH, because both are gay. Nothing inbetween. Even Fish in his extreme period of denial, was always gay. Both are and have always been. OLLIAN is different. Olli is bisexual and for Christian it was new and something completely unexpected. I don't think they have ever addressed the fact, that Christian could have had feelings for another man before Olli. Or since.
I want Kyle and Oliver and up together, but I don't want it plain sailing all the time and I don't want them to be 'untouchable' by outside influences and I don't think just everyone in Llanview should be so totally accepting. I don't want to see gay-bashing (please no!), but having absolutely everyone happy with them as a couple, would be just a little unbelievable. That's what I kind of 'criticize' with VL and AWZ. It's nice to see, but it's not real. Not realistic. Not reality.
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Would somebody hug OLIVER, already!?
QAF and OLTL
On QAF that was Matt Battaglia, playing Emmett's football boyfriend Drew Boyd. Loved the guy and them together as a couple.
That's the guy and character. I did like that particular arc for Emmett. He told Drew that he was just a baby, and that Drew should call Emmett when Drew turned "21."
I'm curious about this too because we now know that in their Senior Year, Oliver backtracked to the closet and started dating any girl who would return his phone call, and probably lost his virginity to heterosexual sex during that period. But what of Kyle? Did he just watch Oliver cavort with women while suffering in silence or did he move on with some other man?
And I would love flashbacks as to when the two boys met, how they found themselves attracted to each other and how they eventually fell in love in spite of Oliver's deep-seated internalized homophobia.
It really is no wonder Kyle is more than reticent in taking Oliver back even after Oliver said the "L" word.
BTW, where'd you get the great screen caps?
KISH's past
I'm curious about this too because we now know that in their Senior Year, Oliver backtracked to the closet and started dating any girl who would return his phone call, and probably lost his virginity to heterosexual sex during that period. But what of Kyle? Did he just watch Oliver cavort with women while suffering in silence or did he move on with some other man?
And I would love flashbacks as to when the two boys met, how they found themselves attracted to each other and how they eventually fell in love in spite of Oliver's deep-seated internalized homophobia.
Ditto! But I have a feeling we might not hear that much about their past, once they are together. Then again, maybe we will see them having these talks together. I'd like it too. I'm not too much in favour of seeing flashbacks though, because for that they will have to make both actors look much younger and I think it could turn out to be too artificial, which could be distracting.
Yes and what did Kyle do during Oliver's straight period? Actually, I'm still not sure about the whole timeline. How old are they supposed to be now? How old were they when they were together? How many years ago was it? And how long were they together?
You say "Oliver probably lost his virginity to heterosexual sex", but he lost his virginity with Kyle first, right? Or even before Kyle? Who knows. The other day Oliver said something about Kyle being innocent and Kyle replying, "not quite, but close".. So who did Kyle date before Oliver? Also, we know that Kyle described his relationship with Kyle as the most meaningful of all the relationships he has been in and he said to Nick, that he hasn't been on a date for ages. Does this maybe mean, he hasn't been with anyone since Oliver? Can't be, because then he wouldn't be with Nick either. But I have a feeling he is with Nick out of spite. I think, when Kyle ran into Oliver (back in April), a still-closeted Oliver, it had Kyle's past anger/fear emerge again. Who would want to go through this all again - being in love with a man who would/could only hurt him. I don't know why I'm into questioning all of it so much, but it's fun to wonder! .. I realize though, that I'm far too much into this fictional couple, than is good for me! LOL!
I take them from the YouTube clips. I pause the clip at the time of the picture I want to use and then I 'CTRL+ALT+PRINTSCREEN' it and copy it into the programme 'PAINT' where I crop it and re-size it the way I want it. I upload on Photobucket and then insert them here in my posts. It's probably highly complicted to do it this way, but it works for me. :o)
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Would somebody hug OLIVER, already!?