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Liveblogging "One Life To Live": "Koi"-tus Interruptus
See, because KOI is a a fish, and Fish and Oliver were interrupted, so ... Never mind. Will Kish finish their first date? More importantly, will Oliver have to shower to get rid of the creepy grave dirt, and will Kyle help him? Joins us for the fun and refresh for updates! 2:05PM EST: Matthew and "tough but cute" Danni are on a plane back to Seattle. Oliver thanks Kyle for waiting, and Kyle says "how about a shower?" YES!!!!! Oh wait ... he meant that Oliver should shower alone. Damn. Oh jeez ... Rex learns his father is Mitch and now his facial tics have completely run amok.
2:10PM EST OH ... MY ... GODDESS. FUB walks out in just a towel and asks Kyle to hand him his shirt. Kyle takes one long lingering look at a wet, almost nake ...where was I? Oh yeah, Kyle says "you know, we don't have to go out. We can stay in". 2:20PM EST: It looks like Layla and Cris are going to give it a go. So should we start the countdown til Evangeline comes out of her coma? AWWW! Oliver is so cute. He nervously asks Kyle what he wants to do. He says "we can play cards, or watch a movie. Christina Comes Home for Christmas is on TV". Kyle grabs his hand and says "I missed you. We don't have to do anything if you don't want to. I just want to spend time with you. The rest can wait". Oliver whispers "I don't wanna wait". They kiss and move off camera. So does this mean they're going to miss Christina Comes Home for Christmas"? 2:30PM EST: TBTD has finally found out that Matthew and Danni are friends. Kyle and Oliver are passionately kissing, and Oliver says "i don't want to disappoint you. I haven't been with anyone since college". Kyle says "don't worry
2:35PM EST: Kyle and Oliver try to explain that Oliver had to shower because he just got back from work, and Fish says "so I was kissing my boyfriend? What's the big deal, I've been waiting a long time". Kyle looks impressed at Oliver's ... declaration. Oliver then does a double take and says to Layla and Cris "Whoa! Were you two just kissing?" This stuff with Mitch and the sickle is just ... goofy. 2:45PM EST: Cris and Layla leave the room so the guys can talk, and Oliver and Kyle decide not to rush into things, and to take it slow. Uh-Oh. That sounds dangerously close to Luke and Noah-speak. Well, now everyone knows that Danni is TBTD's kid, and that she and Matthew have run off together. ABC has just interrupted for a special report about the President speaking at the Fort Hood memorial service, so that's it for today. If anything big happened in the last ten minutes of the show, feel free to discuss it in the comments. Preview Time: That's it for this week, but please join us for the As The World Turns liveblogs later this week. There will be some major developments for Luke and Noah! Submitted by on Tue, 2009-11-10 14:59. |
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Kyle and Oliver are Soulmates.
OMG!!
Yes! I thought that was a Great Moment in Soap Editing. When Dani brought it up, and before Matt even asked the question, I was wanting the show to cut to Oliver and Kyle... and lo' and behold, they did!
I've already written this in a couple of places, but I'm starting to think Kyle's little chest pats are all from his college days when he and Oliver were having their behind the doors romance. Oliver basically gave him a shoulder pat in return. It was probably the only way they could be affectionate in public. And Kyle simply continued to do it because it was such a huge part of his relationship with Oliver...
Yes, I'm probably pathetic, but it seems like such a "KyleandOliver" thing. And that's what I took away from this episode.
Now, I just wanna see some more physicality, and I'll be all good! But I'm really, really over the moon about today's episode.
The next classic super-couple!
You know how we always bitch that the gay characters aren't treated the same as the straight characters on TV shows? Today is further proof that OLTL is doing it right. They are building Kyle and Oliver up to super-couple status by focusing on their romance instead of their sex life.
I feel like the characters are being written as young lovers in a very classic soap tradition. The true super-couples of the 80's and 90's never got it on quickly. They would fall in love passionately, but something would always get in the way of them getting together. At some point, a third person (almost always a woman) would enter the picture. She would get the (often virginal) hero drunk, have sex with him, and get pregnant. A lot of major soap couples got started this way. Cue Staci!!!
Now, since the guys aren't teenagers or virgins, I do expect there to be love-making (as Kyle called it-not sex) before too long. I relish seeing skin as much as anyone, and as Anthony has stated before, if in 6 months the boys have not done the deed, I will feel really betrayed. But, today we got a man in a towel, a lot of kissing along with some incredibly romantic dialogue. And unlike most super-couples, both the characters and the actors have a sense of humor.
Today made it abundantly clear that these guys are being treated as destined-to-be-together-no-matter-what soulmates. Whatever happens to them on the show, we are meant to remember that fact and know they will find each other again. Like Bo and Hope, or Carly and Jack, or Luke and Laura. You know, straight couples. That is something I don't even get from Kevin and Scotty. For me, it's just monumental to witness Kyle and Oliver's story unfold on TV.
I worked under Brian Frons at NBC Daytime. We had a couple of huge blow-outs about me wanting a gay storyline on one of our soaps (there were 4 at the time) and him not just refusing but totally dismissing it, and me, for having suggested it. If you would have told me that 20 years later Brian would be heading up ABC Daytime, the network presenting this amazing story, I would have cried.
that term....
"super-couple."
I didn't watch soaps in the 80's or 90's, so i may be wrong on this...but didn't a lot of soap super-couples go through like adventures and stuff? I know luke and laura had to save the world from ice or something weird like that.
I guess maybe it's just the day and age we live in, but i can't name one couple who i find a 'supercouple' - i think the 'super' part isn't there. i root for pairings and all that great stuff, but to me, they're just that. couples. that i like. nothing 'super' about them.
nothing exciting
...but as i said. maybe i am wrong on the term and how it came to be
Supercouples
I actually had a similar conversation elsewhere in the thread, but to recap: really, supercouples weren't named that because they were like superheroes, but because they were so phenomenally popular. People debate what a supercouple means, but since the shows promoted them because people tuned in,, that's become my definition: a couple popular enough that people tune in just for them.
You're right there's no one like Luke and Laura on any soap today, but then there's never been a soap couple like Luke and Laura, period. Even as a preteen boy in Oklahoma with no interests in soaps, I knew about Luke and Laura, or at least that there was a popular couple on GH with those names. I think because of the show's name, I assumed they were doctors. It wasn't until much later I learned the awesome, romantic truth that he was a hit man who drunkenly raped her, and she loved it so much she lied to the cops to protect him. Awww.
Anyway, back on topiic, I don't think there are any TRUE supercouples in the L&L sense today, but I think there's probably two workable definitions that can still apply: either the one I mentioned, a couple so popular that people tune in just for them, or more broadly, any popular couple that people root for.
I don't think having adventures was every a requirement, but I do see people argue that they have to break up a certain number of times, have X number of medical crises, etc. But those are usually non-soap watchers making snarky comments about what they think the soaps they never actually watch are like.
Supercouple
Gay Supercouples
Well our friends refer to my husband and I as the next gay supercouple and we aren't on a soap...yet.
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To nitpick..
...while supercouples are super because of their immense popularity, a lot of them played heavily in action-adventure storylines, starting with Luke & Laura (that's what gave them their "M Appeal" to use a gayish reference). Back in Gloria Monty's days, Port Charles was full of spies and international police and plenty of soaps tried to imitate that success.
As for Kyliver getting a slow build romance, I'm a *little* less worried about them thank Nuke. The way OLTL is written we see both Kyle and Oliver in other storylines so, unlike Nuke, if the gay couple's romance isn't going full speed ahead they'll still get screen time, which isn't as likely for Nuke.
Squeee
T O T A L L Y !
Umm..
.. I'll probably get flamed for wariting this - and I DID LOVE today's KISH! (it's all I watch! Seriously! I stopped watching TV (ages ago) and haven't even watched one single season 4 Brothers & Sisters episode yet)), but... emm, am I the only one to be a little disapponted by the kisses.. I mean, not the kissing, but the fact that they hardly open their mouth....
Oh uh, I can't believe I'm writing this..
... *going-to-cool-off-a-little-now*
Nah, I noticed that too
Since I don't want to believe it's because they are afraid of kissing, I'll say it's just their style.
Personally, don't really mind, as open mouth can sometimes look like they're eating each other...though a little tongue would be nice.
Man I feel silly writing this!
Open Mouths
I don't recall seeing a lot of open mouth kissing on US soaps (or even primetime shows). I think some actors are good at making it "look like" they are French kissing when no actual tongues are involved.
It could be the directing choice or just the style Scott and Brett have decided upon but each of their kisses are a little bit different (some with grabby lips, some not) so who knows.
Fish and Layla's kisses were pretty tame and Kyle and Nick had nice kisses but again it was just lips or grabby lips, no open mouths.
I didn't notice any open mouths or tongues with Chris and Layla either so it could be a directing thing or actor's choice.
I think there is definitely a difference between the way European soaps direct the kissing (lots of open mouths and grabby lips but no tongue) juxtaposed to US and Canadian shows.
I remember being very frustrated that Marco and Dylan from Degrassi TNG never really had a makeout session or kisses that "looked" like French kisses (while some of the other couples on the show went at it like they couldn't keep deeper or long enough).
Go figure...
Kissing style..
Yes, that's probably what I meant to say Madeleine. Not so much that it had to be huge open mouth kissing (like I didn't much like how Luke/Van kisses Noah/Jake), but a little tongue action would have been sexy! I definitely liked the heavy breathing by both, though.
Crawfish, there is definitely tongue involved in some of the European couples! And I agree with Joseph, Cris and Layla's kiss was hot and with open mouths, much more than KISH's. But looking at today's kisses over and over, I kind of really really start liking them. You know. Because they keep kissing and kissing.. Cute!
Yeah, definitely feel silly writing this too.. LOL!
Gah!
j.U.d.E...
You're going to make me rewatch the show, aren't you?
All this talk about Kish kissing....
I'm inclined to believe that...
...it's Scott Evans's onscreen kissing technique/style because the way he kisses Brett does not seem any different from his kissing scenes in the past with Tika Sumpter and Crystal Hunt.
It's all good still...
Agreed
Having said that, I still think this is one of the hottest on-screen gay kisses I've ever seen. The heavy breathing and shirt-tug-of-war was uber hot. They're definitely keeping the chemistry alive and aren't shying away from the sexual part of the relationship.
BTW, your profile pic is incredibly cute. Scott Evans is amazingly adorable. :)
I hesitated to mention it
No flame! None at all.
I'm hoping that each kiss'll be a little more and a little more. The fact that we got kissage with Fish-in-a-Towel was pretty darn amazing for me. And actually, now that I've seen it several times, the kisses really pretty damn hot.
I can be patient. Very patient ;-D
agree,but...
Kyle Oliver Layla Christian - IT'S ALL GOOD
"It may have been a long time, but my memory is still pretty good and you, officer, no prude."
Best. Kyle. Line. Ever!
My Biggest Crush: Scott Evans
............... whats there to say. i mean he's an amazing actor. whos so sweet but yet can be a jock/dork at the same time which for me thats an A+ in my book. todays episode was just downright sweet and very touching.
Love my teddy bear scott. :-D
Me too!
God, me too. It's like they've created the perfect man. He's so hot, but a little dorky, a little old-fashioned, and just so adorable. I smile every time I see him and I love every single thing he says.
"It's weird. It's just different. It's not men. It's just him. It's only him." - Ianto Jones
Fade to black
This is what I thought at the end of today's show: If this was a romantic comedy movie about Kyle and Fish, they could have gone to credits with the happy foursome watching the movie together and I would feel happy.
Unbelievably, there is still even more to come.
Kisses
I noticed it too. Cris and Layla's was a little bit more open mouth. I don't know if that is Brett not wanting to go that far, the director not wanting to freak out the audience, just the way Brett and Scott have decided to kiss, or what.
I'm going to go with "director's choice", so as to ease the midwest housewives into seeing two men kiss. I'm also hoping that when we get the real "sex" scene, that the kissing and making out is no different that what we see for the straight couples. And that scene better come up within the next 3 to 4 weeks (which would be about two weeks in Llanview time). Any longer than that, and it will be obvious that they're chickening out.
Hey, really, I'm only complaining because I've seen plenty of realistic gay kisses on TV before (QAF primarily), so for me personally, this seems like a giant step backwards. But then I remember that for the vast majority of the audience watching this, it is the very first time they have ever seen two men kiss. I guess we can't shock them too much.
Oh, and Scott definitely hit the gym, but not to much, just about perfect. What a beautiful, beautiful man. Rrrroooowrrr!
Why Brett?
I'm curious as to why you think Brett would have issues with the kissing scenes?
All of the actors (Nick, Brett and Scott) have seemed really open with their roles which involve kissing each other and such.
It just seems weird to single out Brett, in particular. In all the interviews I've seen and heard and read with him he seemed completely comfortable with the role and all its aspects.
Is there something Brett has said that you find suspect or that might hint at him being uncomfortable or "not wanting to go that far"?
As for QAF, I'm not sure you can compare what is or isn't allowed on Showtime or HBO (premium cable channels) with what flies on a daytime network show.
The actors on that show were split down the middle (half gay, half straight) and all of their kissing styles when coupled with each other or guest starring actors varied widely from tight-lipped though passionate pecks to full on tonsil hockey (but even the same actor kissed differently depending upon with whom he was partnered)
Anyway I'm curious why you think Brett would be the reason for less passionate kisses? I would certainly hope that's not the case.
actually...
if you see the first time Brett kissed Scott (at the back of the restaurant) - you can see Brett's mouth was wide open as he lunged towards scott... that was hot, too.... god i love this couple.
i really don't see any any hesitation at all in the part of brett claywell. after seeing so many gay kisses in movies and tv shows i could really sense if an actor was hesitant in kissing another guy. and i trully don't see any hesitation at all. even with supercouple Ollian (where there was a great debate here at AE) i sensed a teeny bit of a hesitation in one (and i mean just one singular instance and that's it) in Thore's performance. so far brett is going all the way and i loooove him for that.
my one complaint about this whole episode is that Brett is kinda tired during all of this. i am just guessing that his character was up all night studying or was in a graveyard shift at the hospital the day before. but him being tired does not in any way interfere in his acting ability... his affection (and lust) for oliver is spot on and his interactions with scott was perfectly acted.
I think Brett is singled out
I think Brett is singled out because he's the only straight actor. Though I really don't think that this is the case, or at least, I hope he isn't uncomfortable.
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Why Brett
Unfounded pre-judging, I guess. Because he's straight, and I jumped to a poor conclusion. I haven't seen or heard anything from him to indicate that he has a problem with this role.
Thinking about it more now, I realize that there have been plenty of male-female pairings that have kissed the same way. So maybe it really is just the way each actor chooses to kiss, and that is all there is to it. I know that of all the people I've kissed over the years, every single one of them was completely different, so why shouldn't it be the same way on TV?
I re-watched the scenes several more times tonight, and frankly, I was even more astounded at the stellar acting from both of them. Kyle obviously wanting Oliver, but hesitating about pushing him too quickly; Oliver wanting it, but being afraid of taking that step again, and worried about disappointing Kyle. The hesitation in both of their voices, the dry mouth that happens when you're scared, the stammering, the subtext, everything. The hesitant kisses were perfectly appropriate to what both characters were feeling at that moment, and when it started getting hot and heavy, Crayla burst in and put a stop to what was about to happen.
Scott and Brett are both are really, really bringing it to every scene. If they don't win an Emmy for their performances, it will be a crime. Same goes for Tika and David. They are truly amazing, and I am rooting as hard for them to be a couple as I have been for Kish. Hard to believe that they are all considered "supporting", when they have the most compelling storylines at the moment.
And just how cool would it be if Kish were to become the latest supercouple on a soap?
Super-Couples
Depending on your definition, they are already a supercouple. (Of course, since soap producers dropped the concept of the supercouple in the 90s, there's also a definition by which they can never be a supercouple.)
My definition is performative. The supercouple was a marketing concept, the idea being a couple so popular that viewers would tune in just to watch them. By that definition, they're definitely already a supercouple, and this site is proof.
The problem with supercouples was that the people tuning in just for them were, by definition, not tuning in for everyone else, and they had trouble building interest in the whole ensemble. Which is why the concept, from a production standpoint, has been abandoned.
But since so many TV viewers are shippers first and foremost, the concept of the supercouple is kept alive by fandom.
mind you
I guess everyone was distracted by the kissing...
I can't believe that no one has pointed out the typo...
I guess everyone was distracted by all the semi-naked kissing. ;-)
Now, in Germany...
...Scott would be as smooth and shiny as a new Mercedes-Benz. However, we would have also seen almost every last glorious inch of it on him and Brett as Oliver and Kyle ripped off their clothes and started dry humping on the sofa.
Sadly, this is America. On the upside Scott is still sporting his manly fur, just as his brother usually does. On the downside they only managed a few seconds of closed-mouth kissing before (predictably) some straight people walked in on them and ruined everything.
Roman and Deniz would have just kept going at it, even if it were someone really embarrassing like Deniz's father Marian!
My only question is: did Layla know about Oliver's fetish for old black & white tearjerker movies before now?
Because if she did know then I have no sympathy for her failure to realize Oliver was gay until directly told by a random hot latino gym bunny. I mean, Oliver was so gay there watching that movie! I mean making John Barrowman look straight level of gay. If that's happened before then girlfriend needs her gay detectors cleaned and serviced.
However, I did find lots of this to be cute. Like the innuendo-laden tug-o-war with the shirt.
clothed mouth kissing
I haven't seen it yet, but I have to say I don't mind clothed mouth kissing. Sometimes open mouth kisses can be hot. But sometimes, actors can sort of miss each other's mouths. I'm not sure if it's becaue they're not suppose to tilt their head too much, or what, but I've seen a few awkward kisses on tv, even ones that were pretty passionate. The Jack/Jack kiss from Torchwood was an example. It was a very hot, passionate kiss, but if they didn't have to keep their heads at a certain angle for the camera, their lips would have connected better.
edit: actually, after rewatching the torchwood kiss isn't the best example. I can't think of a specific example now, but I know I've noticed this before.
Today's OLTL...
...was the best Kish epi to date. Every scene with them felt like it was dipped in sweet gay adorableness. My giddy smiling with each scene was only matched by my frowns of frustration while I fast-forwarded to their next one. More please. I'll sit and wait.... [checks watch]
As for Scott's hot bod, he definitely has lost a good 10 pounds since that night he bottomed out when sleeping with Stacey. Maybe once he accepted the fact he was gay and in love with Kyle, he started hitting the gym hard in hopes of winning Kyle back... Worked!
[Dammit, I can't make myself delete the episode from my dvr, and I need to clear some room for tomorrow! Stupid perfect romantic episode!!!]
KISH soulmates
The segment dedicated to Oliver and Kyle was far superior to the rest of the show (except of course the uber bitch with a gift for tears Tea) and not because I am just bias. The depth they are going to set these two up as soulmates (notice the bookending of that word on their story?!), the hot make out session, and the casual touching they were doing on the couch watching the Xmas movie (hysterical touch I might add!). When Kyle turned when Oliver casually threw in the part of not apologizing for kissing his boyfriend was the best part. Brett's look was dead on believable and you saw his eyes and soul melt there.
The rest of the show including Mitch's return was like a circus of overacting and bad soapyness. Mitch is a great villian but man that was overacting that should have gotten them all the scythe!
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Have To Disagree
I liked almost every aspect of this episode. Kish, Crayla, Dannhew, Mitch & co., hell, as I mentioned above, hell froze over and I even liked Destiny. I especially liked the lack of drunken Gigi.
Did I miss the election results? Last I heard, they were neck and neck, and then the election vanished for two days, and no one is even talking about it.
Excuse the Off Kish Topic
Jinx!
Nope....
The Thing Is....
OLTL will never be as provacative or explict as anything Germany has done or cable. And odds are it never will be. So I kind of find the comparisons unfair. But for American daytime television, it's pretty darned good, IMO.
On another note, I can't believe no one mentioned Kyle and Oliver pulling on that shirt back and forth while holding it at crotch level. That could not have been an accident. But, I didn't pick up on it until it was pointed out to me!
About Brett and the others..
Gosh, you all write so much interesting stuff, I have to reply even from work.. LOL!
Well, I wouldn't call it singling out Brett. I certainly didn't. May he be straight or other. My not-open mouth kissing comment applied to both. Someone else referring to how Scott kissed Tika makes sense. So maybe it came from Scott, and not Brett. Though I would say there is a difference in saying you are cool with your role playing a gay man and then acting it out in front of 5 cameras. I mean Brett did say that the first kiss scene with Scott (Kyle and Oliver behind the Bueons Dias),did involve a lot of real emotions not only, because kissing a guy for him was a new experience. Anyway, my initial comment about the closed-mouth kissing wasn't to say that I didn't find the scenes from yesterday hot! I mean, hey ! I came late to work this morning, because I had to watch that entire KISH bit again (and again), because this is one clip I cannot watch at the office (LOL!) even when the sound on mute! LOL. So, I think the kisses and everything else they 'did', even just hanging around the flat, was HOT! It could just have been a little hotter in my opinion..
Anyway, the one time where I thought you could talk about 'singling' out Brett for being very nervous a bit awkward about kissing one of his co-actors, was the scene in Kyle's hotel room (after Nick has kissed him to celebrate his re-admittance as a med student), the next scene where Nick goes at it with Kyle.. That's when I saw Brett a bit overwhelmed, but I could be wrong. He does breathe heavily anyway (I really do think he has a problem breathing through his nose), so that was not necessarily why I say this, but it just seemed to me, that because this being only his second on-screen kiss, that it was a bit well, overwhelming and I thought I did see that. I think he is more comfortable now with Scott (the roof-top kiss, I mean WOW!), because he was able to 'practice' with Nicholas Rodriguez, so to speak.
It's all good, indeed.
Re:Hairy Vs Smooth
Actually,AWZ does have some guys with body hair.
Andre Dietz(Ingo,who looks just as hot as Scott in a towel as evidenced by yesterday's episode),Stephen Durr(Mike) and Sylvan Pierre...forgothislastname(Richard)all have varying amounts of body hair. So not every actor on German soaps is porn star shaved/waxed.
"Oh please! It's ten days bitching for every two days bliss with these two." Simone on Roman & Deniz "Alles was Zahlt"/"All That Matters"
Character versus Actor
Maybe I just have an unusually high level of whimsy or suspension of disbelief but when I'm watching characters on screen, I'm not thinking about the actors portraying the characters.
It never occurs to me that anything I'm seeing on screen is an accident or unplanned. I definitely don't assume that the actors’ emotions are bleeding through into their portrayal of their characters.
Maybe something happens that isn't planned (like a door won’t open or someone trips) and it gets left in the scene. For me, once something is left in by the director of the shot, it's now part of the scene so it's no longer an accident.
All actors use their personal experiences/emotions in their performance. That's different (I think) than saying one can see how the actor is feeling based upon how the character is feeling.
Unless this actor is a crappy actor (or the director of the shot drops the ball) an actor’s job is to inhabit the character and be in the moment of that scene. The actor should disappear and all that’s left is the character’s feelings, thoughts, etc. I can’t know for sure if it’s happening but as the viewer, I have to give the benefit of the doubt to the character.
If "Kyle" is nervous, hesitant, angry, twitchy, anxious or bored, I assume it's because "Kyle" is meant to be nervous, hesitant, angry, twitchy, anxious or bored. I never think, “Oh, Brett must be nervous.”
Having seen many soap actors in interviews, their personalities and mannerisms and how they hold their body is often so different from their characters, it’s almost jarring.
This was made very clear to me after watching Scott Evans and Jake Silbermann being interviewed. Their personalities, versus that of their characters, are as different as night and day.
Is there something about soaps that make viewers blend the actor with the character more readily?
I've never heard anyone say that "Scotty" looks so angry because Luke MacFarlane had a bad day or Kevin trips all the time because Matthew Rhys is clumsy.
I’d be interested to hear if anyone else has noticed this tendency with soaps in general or is this something specific to Brett and Scott?
Character vs actor - 2
I don't know if your comment is addressed in parts to what I wrote, but it was Brett himself who said that there was a lot of real or own emotion involved in that very first kiss of Kyle and Oliver. I can't reply to whether it's a soap thing when people try to blend actors and their characters, because I tend to not watch soaps. Before 1994 I had never watched any soap ever and only watched Eastenders because of Simon and Tony and then in 1999 because of Olli and Tom and then nothing until 2007 for Olli and Christian etc. I can't say thus. But I think your character vs actor comment is valid, but only to a certain extent or should I say only in parts or only sometimes. I mean because actors ARE so very different as human beings and because they are a certain way and have habits or expressions or gestures or intensity or screen charisma, that one character being portrayed by one actor, would never be portrayed the same way by another actor. So there must be an element of self in each of the actors portrayal of a character. I think if you would swap Brett and Scott today and replace them with any other two actors, it would be totally totally different and we might not even like them (as much). And that's because Scott and Brett bring their own personal touch to their characters, you know, they make the character their own. No?
Also, I really like to observe little tiny things, moves words or voice intonation (probably too much, but I enjoy it and the actors won't know anyway ;o) and sometimes I wonder how much an actor/actress actually completely forgets that s/he has a camera pointed towards them. I think there are huge differences from one actor the other and it makes a whole lot of difference (to me) when it transpires on or through my screen. What 'ends up' on my TV screen and my living room is so different, when an actor/actress is managing to totally forget that he or she is being filmed and watched by 15 crew members or on the contrary, when an actor is very conscious about it. That's when I think (amongst other things) that you can make the difference between good acting and umm, not so good acting.
So, I'm not saying anything here really, but for instance Brett (or is it Kyle..) likes to tap his fingers a lot on chairs and tables and he usually has very nervous hands, if I may say. I couldn't say at all if this is scripted or if Brett decided that this was a character trait of Kyle. But I have to wonder. Or the bit of the scene yesterday when, Oliver came in in a towel and Kyle stands up and they talk about going out or staying in, and when Kyle says to Oliver 'only if you want to' (or something like that) you can see how he is moving his left leg nervously. Now, Kyle in my opinion shouldn't be nervous about this moment. It's not like he has never 'stayed in' with Oliver back in the college days, right? So was it Brett? Things like that.. I don't know.
No Target Intended
I was responding more generally to what a lot of folks have said here and in past threads.
I think a certain amount of hypercritical response makes sense for those of us who are gay watching 3-dimensional gay characters on soaps for the first time. We care very much about the details.
It's hard not to project a lot of weight and meaning onto their every movement and utterance or hold the actors to a super high standard.
But I do think some kinds of analysis do a disservice to an actor's performance.
I don't think it's wrong or bad to speculate but sometimes the speculation changes the whole tenor of a thread to the point where we are no longer talking about what happened on screen and are only talking about what we think the actors are thinking/feeling (which is something we can't actually know most of the time).
I do wonder if the folks who follow the straight soap storylines get this "deep" with their viewing (counting kisses and scrutinizing hugs, etc)
It's interesting to think about.
KISH again..
It's interesting to think about.
last 10 minutes of Tuesdays OLTL
In Denver, OLTL airs an hour later than the actual feed from New York, so the last 10 minutes weren't interrupted...sad to say you east-coasters didn't miss much.
BORING, boring boring....Téa (weakly) lets the insufferable Nora have it...
Lozano is SOooo much better than this material, while Smith is just worthless...
Jon-Paul denies his paternity in a ridiculous scene...
The best thing in the last 30 seconds of the episode is that Brotherton shows (ever-so-slightly) the top curves of his backside after trying to run from Mitch, who had tried to shoot him...my, my a sickle in one hand, a gun in the other
OLTL is clearly on its last 6 months before a -- hopefully -- merciful death.
Shame on the writers of what used to be a great show.
wait what? DEATH! say it
wait what? DEATH! say it ain't so....what's gonna happen to Klye and Fish? and Chris and Layla? and DMD? and David Vickers? (the man not the dog!)
I think I need to go cry now
progression
it's a new day
There is for sure progression on daytime t.v. Time will tell if they become scared. I believe they are confident in their actions and will demonstrate that to us via KISH!!!!
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