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TIME asks, "What makes a gay song?"

TIME is running an interesting article and podcast from the True Colors Tour, asking people to define what a "gay song" is. One of the people they ask is radio DJ J.D. Doyle, who hosts a show called "Queer Voices", and takes umbrage with a popular perception:

"I could be describing my radio show to someone who hasn't heard of it, and I'd say its purpose is to share and preserve the history of gay music," Doyle said on a show a few years ago. "They'd say, 'Oh, disco music.' No, no. And I'd climb up on my soapbox and ask why they would think disco music is gay music, since most of it is by straight artists, mostly women, and only a tiny percent is lyrically gay. Very little of it is actually about our lives. By this time their eyes are quickly glazing over, and I realize once again I've taken the purist approach. But I certainly can't deny that to most people disco or dance music is the genre most associated with gay culture."

So what is a gay song, exactly? Is it any song by a gay artist? Is it a song by a gay artist that's explicitly gay? Can it be a song by a straight artist that has a gay sensibility to it? Or is there no such thing anymore as a "gay" or "straight" song? One of the people interviewed in the podcast is a teenage girl, who says that her generation doesn't really think like that. To them, a good song is a good song, and as long as it speaks to them, it doesn't matter who the artist is, or what the intention of the song is.

Do you agree with that sentiment, or do you have a list of favorite gay songs? Feel free to use the comments section to name your favorites, or explain why you don't think in those terms. Do you think that "Beautiful" by Christina Aguilara is a gay song? What about "Secret Love" by Doris Day, or "Father Figure" by George Michael?

And what about "Sugar Walls" by Sheena Easton, is that a gay song? It certainly was when I performed it at karaoke.

Discuss!

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  • Joseph's picture

    Gay songs.

    I suspect there's all kinds of criteria for what makes a song "gay"--I'd have to disagree somewhat with Doyle that disco isn't a "gay" genre of music--after all, it emerged from gay (and black) nightclubs, several of its most notable artists were/are gay (Sylvester, K.C.), and the notorious 1979 Comiskey Park riot came specifically from homophobic (and racist) perceptions of disco music.

    Having said that, there are also songs that can be interpreted as gay, simply because their lyrics lend themselves to it: in the past, songs such as "Secret Love" or "Secretly" definitely could be perceived as speaking about gay relationships that were kept hidden.

    I've always liked to think of Chicago's "Hard Habit to Break" as a gay song, since it's basically a duet between Peter Cetera and Bill Champlain.

    Oh, and I know Sheena Easton gets some flack, but dontcha think "Strut" and "Sugarwalls" are pretty empowering songs for women? I do.

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    David Ehrenstein's picture

    How about songs written by gay men?

    Or is that too radical an idea?

    Here's a fave of mine by the great John LaTouche (music by Vernon Duke)

     

    "Rent overdue

    My sister has measles

    Hole in my shoe

    My belt’s drawn tight

    My income is nil

    My in-laws are weasels

    My present is dark

    My future’s a fright

    But as long as you are there

    What in the world do I care?

    Though hope is low,

    I’m aglow when you smile at me

    Life is simple as A B C

    Not a thought in my head

    Not a care in the world

    Though skies are grey

    I’m as gay as a Disney cow

    Not a wrinkle upon my brow

    Not a cent in the red

    Not a care in the world

    I view the scene

    Like that old queen of Russia

    As Kate the Great

    Used to say long sgo

    "Nichevo!"

    And so if I move

    In a groove with a giddy trot

    I’m a trottin’ because I’ve got

    Not a bean in my pot

    Not a care in the world

    Though I can’t jive

    I revive when I see your face

    Not a limp in my merry pace

    Not a crimp in my style

    Not a care in the world

    Though I’m a wreck

    I can peck if you take a chance

    Not a shine on my blue serge pants

    Not a crack in my smile

    Not a care in the world

    Why should I fret

    When I bet on a sure thing?

    Like Nick the Greek

    Used to say ev’ry day

    "Yip-i-ay!"

    And so if I’m struttin’

    With nuttin’ ahead in store

    There’s a reason I said before

    I’ll repeat it once more

    Not a care in the world!"

     

     

     

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    And then there's Cole Porter. ALL his songs are gay!

    Especially this one, most memorably performed by the great William Hickey.

    "I  should like you all to know,
    I'm a famous gigolo.
    And of lavender, my nature's got just a dash in it.
    As I'm slightly undersexed,
    You will always find me next
    To some dowager who's wealthy rather than passionate.
    Go to one of those night club places
    And you'll find me stretching my braces
    Pushing ladies with lifted faces 'round the floor.
    But I must confess to you
    There are moments when I'm blue.
    And I ask myself whatever I do it for.

    I'm a flower that blooms in the winter,
    Sinking deeper and deeper in snow.
    I'm a baby who has
    No mother but jazz,
    I'm a gigolo.
    Ev'ry morning, when labor is over,
    To my sweet-scented lodgings I go,
    Take the glass from the shelf
    And look at myself,
    I'm a gigolo.
    I get stocks and bonds
    From faded blondes
    Ev'ry twenty-fifth of December.
    Still I'm just a pet
    That men forget
    And only tailors remember.
    Yet when I see the way all the ladies
    Treat their husbands who put up the dough,
    You cannot think me odd
    If then I thank God
    I'm a gigolo."

    Metabaron's picture

    A Gay Song is...

     

    Whatever Jimmy Kimmel genuinely likes to listen to.

    Seriously, straight guys(and some equally homophobic insufferable women) use "gay song" in an incredibly negative sense. It is used to express their homophobia.

    Of course, what qualifies as a "gay song" various from clique to clique. In some areas of this country, if you listen to David Bowie you're called "f*gg*t" and then beaten up. But most normal(non-homophobic) people recognize Bowie for the genius that he is. Although, it's certainly possible that certain homophobic people like to listen to Bowie.

    There are some old people from the 50's left alive that LOVE showtunes and yet they can be the most homophobic of the lot.

    So obviously, it depends.

    Joseph's picture

    That reminds me of the first Harold & Kumar...

    ...where they steal the truck of the uber-macho bigot and in his CD player is...Wilson Phillips' "Hold On"...meant, I'm sure, as a coded gay joke.

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    David Ehrenstein's picture

    On a more serious note there's Lorenz Hart

    -- all of whose songs are gay.

    Two faves

    "Behold the way our fine-feathered friend

    His virtue doth parade

    Thou knowest not, my dim-witted friend,

    The picture thous has made.

    Thy vacant brow and thy tousled hair

    Conceal thy good intent.

    Thou noble, upright, truthful, sincere

    And slightly dopey gent -- you’re

    My Funny Valentine
    Sweet comic Valentine
    You make me smile with my heart.
    Your looks are laughable,

    Unphotographable
    Yet you’re my fav’rite work of art.
    Is your figure less than Greek?
    Is your mouth a little weak?
    When you open it to speak,

    Are you smart?
    But don’t change a hair for me
    Not if you care for me
    Stay little Valentine, stay
    Each day is Valentine’s Day".

    And then there's --

    "My romance

    doesn't have to have a moon in the sky
    My romance

    doesn't need a blue lagoon standing by
    No month of May
    No twinkling stars
    No hideaway
    No soft guitar

    My romance

    doesn't need a castle rising in Spain
    Nor a dance to a constantly surprising refrain
    Wide awake

    I can make my most fantastic dreams come true
    My romance doesn't need a thing but you"

     

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    Last but far from least -- Sondheim!

    Here he channels Kay Thompson. It doesn't get any gayer.

    "MAYORESS CORA HOOVER HOOPER:
    Everyone hates me-yes, yes-
    Being the Mayoress, yes.
    All of the peasants
    Throw rocks in my presence,
    Which causes me nervous distress, yes.
    OOOH, OOOOOOOOOH, OOOH, OOH, OOOOOOOOOH.

    Me and my town, battered about,
    Everyone in it would like to get out.
    But me and my town,
    We just wanna be loved!

    Stores are for rent, theatres are dark,
    Grass on the sidewalks, but not in the park,
    Me and my town,
    We just wanna be loved!

    The people are starving,
    So they sleep the day through.
    My poor little people,
    What can they do?


    TOWNSPEOPLE:
    Boo!

    CORA:
    Who asked you?

    Come on the train, come on the bus,
    Somebody please buy a ticket to us.
    Hurry on down-
    We need a little renown.
    Love me,
    Love my
    Town!

    OOOHHHH OOOOOHHHHH OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!

    BOYS:
    Hi there, Cora. What's new?

    CORA:
    The bank went bust and I'm feeling blue.

    BOYS:
    And who took over the bankruptcy?


    CORA:
    Me, boys, me!

    BOYS:
    Si, si!

    CORA:
    Me, boys, me!

    BOYS:
    Tell us, Cora, how you are.

    CORA:
    I just got back from the reservoir.

    BOYS:
    And what's the state of the water supply?

    CORA:
    Dry, boys, dry!

    BOYS:
    My, my!

    CORA:
    Dry, boys, dry!

    BOYS:
    Ay, ay!

    CORA:
    A lady has responsibilities...

    BOYS:
    Responsibilities...

    CORA:
    And civic pride!

    BOYS:
    Civic pride!

    CORA:
    Well, I look around and what do I see? I see no crops.

    BOYS:
    No crops.

    CORA:
    I see no business.

    BOYS:
    No business

    CORA:
    To the North, to the South,
    Only hoof-and-mouth!

    BOYS:
    To the East, to the West,
    No community chest

    CORA:
    I see a terrible depression all over the town-

    BOYS:
    Oh, a terrible depression,
    Yes, a terrible depression.

    CORA:
    What a terrible depression
    And I'm so depressed
    I can hardly talk on the phone.
    I feel all alone.

    CORA AND BOYS:
    But a lady has responsibilities-

    BOYS:
    Responsibilities-

    CORA:
    To all my poor! Starving! Cold! Miserable!
    Dirty! Dreary! Depressing! Peasants!

    ALL:
    Peasants! Ick!

    CORA:
    A lady has responsibilities-

    BOYS:
    Responsibilities-

    CORA:
    To try to be
    Popular with the populace.

    BOYS:
    She's unpopular with the populace!

    ALL:
    Unpopular with the populace,
    Unpopular with the populace,
    Unpopular with the populace...

    CORA:
    Everyone here hates me at length,
    Probably lynch me if they had the strength.
    But me and my town,
    Me and my town,
    We just wanna be loved!

    BOYS:
    We just want to be loved!
    We just want to be loved!

    CORA:
    Just loved!

    BOYS:
    A friendship is lovely
    And a courtship sublime,
    But give her a township-


    CORA:
    Township!
    Every time!

    ALL:
    What'll we do, me and my town?
    Gotta do something or we're gonna drown!
    Give me my coat,
    Give me my crown,
    Gimme, gimme your vote
    And hurry on down!

    CORA:
    Show how much you think

    BOYS:
    Yeah!

    CORA:
    Of me!

    ALL:
    Love me,
    Love my
    Town!"

    afhickman's picture

    I get to mention Ute Lemper and Scott Walker in the same post!

    afhickman

    "It takes a village (to make Village People)"

    I was dancing to Aretha and Wilson Pickett at what were then called discos in Europe in the 1960s. I just watched a documentary about Scott Walker in which he calls the Whiskey A Go Go a disco. He should know; he performed there. There weren't any gay associations with disco in those days. But gay music--that's been around at least since Marlene Dietrich sang "Meine Beste Freundin" in 1920s Berlin. (Check out Ute Lemper's recording of this song on her album "Berlin Cabaret Songs.") For anyone who wants an overview of gay music, you can't do better than the 4-CD box set entitled "Club Verboten," which I see is ridiculously underpriced on Amazon at $10! The fourth CD features classical music from the likes of Tchaikovsky and Poulenc. As I said in my review at the time, there are tons of songs I would like to have seen on the set, but the compositors have done a marvelous job with what space they had. As it is, the four CDs run the gamut from Bessie Smith to Edith Piaf to Johnny Ray, and from Janis Ian to Peter Allen to Lou Reed, and there are the obligatory disco standards as well, including Sylvester's classic "Mighty Real." The near 100-page booklet is alone worth the price of admission!

    brackishtea's picture

    Egatz! Early 80s electro pop was gay in the best way!

    I don't know about you, but I was not alive at this time. Listening to all these 80 electro pop songs I come to realize the videos and songs were if not gay, then gay friendly. Here are some of my examples:

    Human League-Obession, Erasure-Chains of Love, Frankie goes to Hollywood-Relax

    Those are my personal favs.

    P.S: The Cure was definately Bi-curious!

    alxmouse's picture

    Over, Over The Rainbow

    To generalize a song as gay we run the risk of painting an entire population, so colorful in nature, with one monochromatic brush stroke. "Over the Rainbow" I thought has always hit a chord with many a homosexual. It took into account how people are more than just one thing gay or straight, or one color. So I would say that "Over the Rainbow" is the only gay song, a gay theme. Only because, in a tribute on NBC to Tim Russert, it was used as the song of choice. "Over the rainbow" is for an entire poplulation. Gay, straight, Catholic, or dare I say a Patriot fan.

    I find some music by some gay-artists dreadful, some music by notorious homophobes as nothing but lyrical. I like songs indisputably about gays ie. anything by the "Pimp." I also like songs about a girl from a boy, anything by "The Ditty" or "The King." Disco has been known to be gay, but sometimes with an illicit connotation. So why use that music as our anthem/songs? I like punk rock music. Goths have accepted or adopted many homosexual trends and their music ie (sic) "Morisey."

    That said: I'm so Over "Over the Rainbow." Ironically, because of the gay-Karaoke on Tuesdays.

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    Here's 'Touche's most famous song

    It's from Cabin in the Sky and  first sung by everybody's favorite knife-wielding bi-polar lesbian, Ethel Waters.

    No straight man could have written these lyrics!

     

    "Here I go again
    I hear those trumpets blow again
    All aglow again
    Taking a chance on love

    Here I slide again
    About to take that ride again
    Starry eyed again
    Taking a chance on love

    I thought that cards were a frame-up
    I never would try
    Now I'm taking that game up
    And the ace of hearts is high

    Things are mending now
    I see a rainbow blending now
    We'll have a happy ending now
    Taking a chance on love

    Here I slip again
    About to take that trip again
    I got that grip again
    Taking a chance on love

    Now I prove again
    That I can make life move again
    I'm in a groove again
    Taking a chance on love

    I walk around with a horseshoe
    In clover I lie
    And brother rabbit of course you
    Better kiss your foot good-bye

    On that ball again
    I'm riding for a fall again
    I'm gonna give my all again
    Taking a chance on love"

    dback's picture

    Anything that deals with outsiders

    Future epitaph: "It seemed like a good idea at the time."

    Mad props for the poster above who mentioned "Club Verboten."  It's an OUTSTANDING overview of gay/queer music from the 20th century, even if it can't (and doesn't) cover everything.  (No Village People, no Bette Midler, no Johnny Mathis, no Elton John or Bowie, etc.)  However, you'll be amazed by rarities by Frances Faye, Rod McKuen (whose "All the Sad Young Men" is  the embodiment of the Coward line, "Extraordinary how potent cheap music is"), Donovan (the marvellous "I'll Try For The Sun") and my favorite, Joan Baez's description of a gay bar in "The Altar Boy and the Thief."  The 3rd disc gets a teensy heavy on women's music, but it WAS the heyday of such.  And if does conk out before the 1980's, so lots of other goodies like Culture Club, Madonna, Eurythmics, Pet Shop Boys, Romanoffsky and Phillips, etc.  aren't represented.

    So, anything with outsiders or rebels who don't conform to society's rules (see the Baez track above, "Don't Rain On My Parade," et all), but also songs that deal with sexuality either explicitly or in code (yes, "Jailhouse Rock" qualifies) or longing/unrequited passion.  ("The Boy Next Door" "Secret Love" "You Don't Know Me" all fit this pattern.)  Come the 70's and 80's, the double-entendres and eroticism really got more and more forthright ("Cream" "Use It Up/Wear It Out" "Relax"), which dovetailed with gay pride and power.  Now, of course, straight artists like Franz Ferdinand regularly write "gay" songs ("Michael") and no one thinks about it.

    The ultimate gay song is, for me, probably "Go West," especially the Pet Shop Boys remake.  Everything about it is a hymn to the West Coast of Los Angeles/San Francisco, where freedom and liberation await anyone willing to leave home and start a new life.  However, Madonna's "Vogue" is a close second, if only for its message of: Be Whomever You Want To Be--just strike a pose.

     

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    "Ballad of the Sad Young Men"

    is from The Nervous Set -- a legendary Broadway flop that I'm lucky enough to have seen. it was written by Fran landesman and Tommy Wolf. There was a jazz combo that played onstage instead of an orchestra. Gerald Hiken, Del Close and Larry Hagman were featured in the cast. And this fag-hag's lament was sung by Tani Seitz

    "Sing a song of sad young man
    Glasses full of rye
    All the news is bad again
    Kiss your dreams goodbye

    All the sad young men
    Sitting in the bars
    Knowing neon nights
    Missing all the stars

    All the sad young men
    Drifting through the town
    Drinking up the night
    Trying not to drown

    All the sad young men
    Singing in the cold
    Trying to forget
    That they're growing old

    All the sad young men
    Choking on their youth
    Trying to be brave
    Running from the truth

    Autumm turns the leaves to gold
    Slowly dies the heart
    Sad young men are growing old
    That's the cruelest part

    All the sad young men
    Seek a certain smile
    Someone they can hold for a little while
    Tired little girl does the best she can
    Trying to be gay for her sad young man

    While the grimy moon
    Watches from above
    All the sad young men
    Play at making love

    Misbegotten moon
    Shine for sad young men
    Let your gentle light
    Guide them home again
    All the sad young men"

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    And then there's gay great Billy Strayhorn

    "Daydream, why do you haunt me so
    Deep in a rosy glow
    The face of my love you show

    Daydream, I walk along on air
    Building a castle there
    For me and my love to share

    Don't know the time,

    Lordy I'm in a daze
    Sun in the sky,

    while I moon around, feeling, hazy

    Daydream, don't break my reverie
    Until I find that he,
    Is daydreaming just like me"

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    Here's The Smiths' on the joys of being seduced

    by an older man:

    "Punctured bicycle
    On a hillside desolate
    Could nature make a man of me yet?

    Then in this charming car
    This charming man

    Why pamper life's complexities
    When the leather runs smooth
    On the passenger seat?

    I would go out tonight
    But I haven't got a stitch to wear
    This man said "it's grusome
    That someone so handsome should care"

    A jumped-up pantry boy
    Who never knew his place
    He said "return the ring"
    He knows so much about these things
    He knows so much about these things

    I would go out tonight
    But I haven't got a stitch to wear
    This man said "it's grusome
    That someone so handsome should care"

    La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man ...
    La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man ...

    A jumped-up pantry boy
    Who never knew his place
    He said "return the ring"
    He knows so much about these things

    He knows so much about these things"

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    Don't forget Rufus!

    "Thought that maybe we'd fall in love over the phone
    Thought that maybe I'd really love being alone
    Everybody but Heaven knows how I was wrong

    Oh Lord, what have I done to myself?
    What have I done to myself?

    In this vicious world
    Such a vicious world
    There isn't anything you can do
    In this vicious world

    Soaking on the ice, makin' eyes all by myself
    Didn't realize you were so top of the shelf
    Just you want and see when you turn, turn 23

    Oh Lord, what have I done to myself?
    What have I done to myself?

    In this vicious world
    Such a vicious world
    There isn't anything you can do
    In this vicious world
    Such a vicious world
    There isn't anything you can do
    In this vicious world
    There isn't anything you can do
    In this vicious world"

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    One More! Larry Hart with my Cri de Coeur

    "There was an old zany who lived in a tub;
    He had so many fleabites
    He didn't know where to rub.
    He kept looking for an honest man
    Said "I'm gonna find him if I can"
    If i could meet Diogenes today,
    This is what i'd say:
    Rub-a-dub-dub

    Oh, Diogenes!
    Find a man who's honest!
    Oh, Diogenes!
    Wrap him up for me
    Oh, Diogenes!
    Find a man who's stolid-solid
    Hook that fish if he's in the sea
    Hunt him! Trail him!
    Catch him! Nail him!
    If he is free
    Have you got your stick?
    Have you got your lantern?
    Can you do the trick
    And produce him, please!
    Catch that fellow!
    Ring that bell,
    Oh,

    Oh!

    Oh, Diogenes!"

    JBE's picture

    I Can Come Up WIth A List

    of pop songs, some popular some not, that are definitely "gay" in content. "Smalltown  Boy" by Bronski Beat, "Johnny Are You Queer" by Josie Cotton, "Homosapien" by Pete Shelley, and "Macho Man" by The Village People, are pretty explicit.  "You Think You're A Man" by Divine is also a gay club classic by a gay man.

    Funny, many of the songs that were named above I never considered "gay". Mind you most of them I was not fond of so I never sat through them and actively listened to the lyrics.

    Cheers

    JBE

    Psionycx's picture

    Why Disco Music?

    Um, maybe people might make such an assumption because of the fact that Disco music has played incessantly in gay bars almost since the 70's?

    To the extent that the great (if rather odd) sage Quentin Crisp once remarked: "A lifetime of disco is a horrible price to have to pay for one's sexual preference."

    But it holds so true that even in a Will & Grace episode where Will and Jack walked into a backwoods gay bar that really didn't look gay at all they knew they were in the right place when the first line of "I Will Survive" wafted through the air.

    I have been lamenting for 15 years now that there appears to be no such thing as a gay Rock bar (okay, I didn't get all the gay genes).  In the rare event that a gay bar is willing to play something other than Disco/Dance/Trance/Techno it's usually something Pop by the latest diva-in-waiting like Britney, Christina, etc.  Madonna and Cher are, of course a given.

    Indeed, the older crowd also seems to prefer music by straight females.  Liza, Barbra, Judy, etc.  Ad nauseum. 

    Ironically, I think I've heard music by known gay musicians, even very famous ones like Elton John and George Michael, only a fraction of the times I've heard Gloria Gaynor.

    Why is it that the gay crowd seems to prefer hearing "female empowerment" rather than actual gay men singing?  Regardless, and let's face it, the only reason people associate Disco with us is because Gaynor has been our virtual anthem for decades.

    jbyrd130's picture

    It's all about Rufus

    Lyrically, he's the closest thing to getting "us" right:

    Where is my master the rebel prince
    Who will shut all of these windows
    It's these windows all around me
    It's these windows who are telling me
    To rid my dirty mind of all of its preciousness...

     

    His cover of "One Man Guy" felt hella gay, too

     

    Piglet's picture

    Pet Shop Boys of course!

    Pet Shop Boys of course!

    And especially -for me- their first album: Please. e.g. from Later Tonight "that boy never cast a look in your direction, never tried to hook for your attention, dresses like the mod of your invention..."

    There is of course also "To speak is a sin" (you look first, then stare. And once in a while, a smile if you dare) and countless others, some more obvious than the other ("It's a sin", "Was it worth it", "Domino Dancing") 

    Re: why female empowerment songs... I think it might be because all these songs are sung from the perspective of someone feeling oppressed and taking their lives into their own hands. Something that rings true for a lot of the gay community.

    And there are "gay-ish" rock songs out there as well, if you ask me... most of the songs from Placebo e.g.  (Nancy Boy), & Suede always sounded pretty sexually ambiguous to me


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