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Who's tweeting what about Proposition 8?

Yesterday's disappointing (but expected) decision by California's Supreme Court to uphold Prop 8 caused a flurry of activity on the social networks, especially Twitter, where it's easier (and quicker) to voice outrage.

We skimmed a few Twitter accounts and found some celebrities who didn't hesitate to tweet their displeasure, including Margaret Cho, Diablo Cody, Aubrey O'Day, Wil Wheaton, Fran Drescher, Gary Busey and Nellie Oleson herself, among others. Take a look ...

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  • Liz T's picture

    got a question...

    i can't take Aubrey O' Day seriously....

    with that said, I gotta ask something and yes, i am serious - -  is anyone peeved with Obama?

    some are saying "you can't vote for Obama who is against same sex marriage (supposedly) and then go get mad at California..."

    i'm starting to think 'they got a point...' I voted for him, but i don't know....i think i am just frusterated at the whole DADT thing and now this...

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    I'm trying to find out the justices' religious affiliation

    On the Californai State Supreme Court site it lists them all, with pictures, and much information about their careers. But nothing about their religions.

    Are any of them Mormon?

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    Anthony's picture

    Um, no.

    I do not think this was a decision based on any religious prejudices or beliefs. I guess I'll have to be devil's Advocate here: they made the right decision, the legal arguments were not convincing,

    Secondly, there are many various Anti-Gay groups. Can we fight Anti-Gay Politics better then focusing all our efforts on, and unfairly generalise, LDS? 

    "In spite of language, in spite of intelligence and intuition andsympathy, one can never really communicate anything to anybody"-AldousHuxley

    David Ehrenstein's picture

    And the ruling WAS "convincing"?

    It makes no logical sense and was a complete reversal of the court's 2008 decision granting marriage rights.

     

    Something happened to those bozos between then and now.,

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    Dennis Mpls's picture

    Actually, the two cases

    Actually, the two cases were based around entirely different situations, which should be obvious.  In simplest terms, the first case occurred before Prop 8, i.e., before there was any sort of vote on the issue, while the second case was a ruling on whether the proposition itself was proper and in conformity to the state laws on propositions.  The second case was in no way a re-hash of the first case.

    It's been obvious for a long time now that it would be a major upset if Prop 8 were overturned.  That's based on the legal questions asked by the justices during the trial, and on multiple legal analyses by various lawyers.  No one should have been at all surprised at this.

    It's certainly a no-brainer to most anyone reading this site that gay marriage should be allowed, and I think ultimately the US Supreme Court will so rule.  But the whole problem in California is the presence of the proposition system itself.  The allure of a system that allows "the people" to decide things is apparent on the surface, but the whole point of a constitution is to PROTECT people and institutions from abandoning the core principles on which the entire society is based, things like freedom of the press and equal treatment for all groups.  How California could allow a system where the whim of the moment can override the very principles on which the society is built is beyond me.  That's what the judicial structure is for.  But California unaccountably chose to circumvent that.

    So, yes, based on the law as it exists, the courts likely made the "right" legal decision, and this case was entirely different from the first case.  I'm not a lawyer, but I would think a case could be made against the entire proposition system, at least as it involves restricting of basic constitutional rights.  But that wasn't the case being brought here.

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    Anthony's picture

    Actually...

    Gay Marriage was already voted on in California in Prop 22. But that was a Statutory Amendment, not a Constitutional one: there's a very important legal difference, Mr. Ehrenstein.  

     About CA's Proposition system: I think they're federally unconstitutional because the Constitution says every State must provide a republican form of Government. An important tenet of Constitutional Republicanism is that a Constitution be hard to amend, in order to safeguard fundemental liberties from the whims and wavers of a simple majority. (Thomas Jefferson abhorred pure Democracies.) That's the case I would make against California's Initiatives in a Federal Court. 

    "In spite of language, in spite of intelligence and intuition andsympathy, one can never really communicate anything to anybody"-AldousHuxley

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    Dennis Mpls's picture

    I agree with your basic

    I agree with your basic premise about the potential unconstitutionality of the California proposition system as it relates to amending the state constitution.  Interestingly, a federal case is now being filed to challenge Prop 8 on exactly that basis.  It's getting a lot of publicity because it's being jointly brought by David Boies and Ted Olson, a Democrat and a Republican, and the legal foes in the Gore v. Bush case in 2000.  The bi-partisan aspect is attracting a lot of attention.

    Some gay and civil libertarian groups are afraid, and very legitimately so, that this suit could prove counter-productive.  The reasoning is that the Supreme Court currently may not be ready to make this sort of judgment, and losing in the Supreme Court could be counter-productive.  I could see this suit easily going down to defeat on a 5-4 basis.  Eventually, the court will indeed rule for us in a case very similar to this.  Personally, I haven't decided if now is the time for this or not.

    As you say, Jefferson (and almost all the other founding fathers) did not believe in pure democracy.  And with good reason.  And as a result the American system is nowhere near being a pure democracy.

    (BTW, I love your Aldous Huxley quote.  It overstates the case, but the basic thought is accurate.  Zen Buddhists say the same thing.  Huxley has always been one of my two favorite authors.) 

    Liz T's picture

    rob thomas blogs...

    Joshua's picture

    I was just coming here to

    I was just coming here to post this. I loved Rob's tweets about this and the blog is so great. Thanks Rob!
    Liz T's picture

    ha,beat ya! ;-)

    :-P (i read huffingtonpost.com way too much during the day)

    yup, his blog was great indeed. he's a smart man. :-)

    Hanna Iris's picture

    LOL @ Wil :)

    On a technical note, why not save the screen caps as .gif files (if .png are too big or IE issues or whatever)? Would make the text parts much better reading :)