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IMHO "Brothers & Sisters" (3.21): "S3X

 

In a very special PG-13 episode bearing a title that inexplicably sounds like it belongs on a Vin Diesel movie, Kevin and Scotty grapple with a question that faces all gay men in long-term committed relationships: “Should we get a country house?” Oh, wait. Not that one. I meant this: “Should we invite your studly, closeted soap star ex-boyfriend into bed for a threeway?”

Yes, it’s the return of Chad! But the ABC gods are cruel, as they finally have Jason Lewis show up only to have him keep his shirt on the whole time. Boooo! Points off! Not to fear, though. There’s plenty more male torso on display this week, and that’s not even the only reason why I’m giving it an up arrow...

At the start of the episode, Kevin is helping Sarah shop for appropriate return-to-work attire, when across the street, who should he spy, but a certain leather-jacketed, white-T-shirted ex-BF, strutting along like he’s on his way to audition for Danny Zuko at a local dinner theater. The whole thing is so stiffly choreographed and contrived I half expected Sarah to start belting out, “My boyfriend’s back.”

Kevin is mortified and tries to get Sarah to turn away and avoid eye contact. But she gets herself a good eyeful of Chad and carries on about how “chiseled” he is, wondering if since he’s technically bi he’d consider dating a 40-something single mom. Kevin recaps how they broke up because Chad was such a closet case and an “emotional mess,” which is certainly rich coming from him. I mean, talk about the gay pot calling the closet case magenta. And wasn’t Kevin the one who totally freaked out when Chad finally came out and wanted to be his steady?

Naturally, Chad spies them and, with a big grin on his face, crosses the street. Kevin panics, then opens his arms and makes these “Oh, my, look at you!” gestures that people usually do when they see a friend’s toddler for the first time since he learned to walk.

 

Chad surprisingly dips Kevin back into paperback-romance-cover formation and plants a hot wet one on him, announcing it’s payback for being so closety back when they dated. I’m greatly impressed by this. I think all formerly closeted gay actors should have to go around kissing people in public to make up for it. And yes, I am talking about you, NPH. My lips have an appointment with Dr. Horrible and I want you to sing along.

Where was I? Oh, right. Kevin and Chad. Chad asks how Kevin is, and Kevin stammers, “I’m … I’m…” until Sarah helpfully supplied the word, “Married.” Heh. Chad is apparently unfazed by this, given he later phones Kevin at work. As we see, for Kevin, work these days amounts to reading homoesque men’s magazines with his feet up and answering the phone with his heel. Chad, who we learn is one of those self-centered a-holes who like to make personal phone calls from the gym while other people are waiting to use the same freakin’ machine (!), says he wants to see Kevin again, and Kevin stammers about the “married” thing. Chad’s all, “no prob, bring him along.” Goodness, whatever could he have in mind?

After work, Scotty’s barely through the door before Kevin blabbers on about getting tongued by his ex, who also wants to go out for drinks with him. I figured this would be when Scotty would launch into Joan Crawford levels of dramatic rage and jealousy, mostly because that’s exactly what I would have done. But I forgot we’re dealing with Saint Scotty who never gets upset about anything. The most he does here is say, “Oh?” with just a teensy bit of edge in his voice. But when he hears that he’s invited along too, he changes it to “Oh!”, now clearly into the idea.

At this point, I was guessing Scotty was dying for a chance to check out how badly Chad had aged and/or throw in his face how he’s the big winner in the “bag an attorney for a husband” sweepstakes. But again, that would have been me, not Saint Scotty, who, adorably, is simply excited about getting to hang with Tempest Island’s Doctor Philip in the flesh.

They meet up with Chad at a bar, and the date, all things considered, really couldn’t go better, thanks I’m sure to the copious amounts of alcohol they’re guzzling. Hilariously, Chad says that since coming out he’s been getting even more “masculine” roles, whatever that means. I’m guessing he’s finally been deemed butch enough to make the cut for Dancing with the Stars.

One of Chad’s recent “masculine” roles

Then Chad, one of those singletons who revel in rubbing married couples’ faces in how little nookie they’re getting now that they’re off the market, asks them about married life. Kevin says, “It’s just like Leave it to Beaver, only without the—” Woo-hoo! Primetime beaver joke! Extra points, ABC, extra points!

Shamelessly flirting, and obviously making up for all that lost time spent in the closet by double-teaming, Chad tells them they’re both adorable. Then he asks if they’d like to go back to his Place. Where he’s got a Pool. In case they’re missing his intentions, he says being married doesn’t mean they can’t Play Around.

So play around they do, at least with each other, as we next see Kevin and Scotty at home, pulling each other’s shirts off and making out hungrily. It’s almost as if they haven’t made out like this in an entire TV season. Then there’s an ominous knock at the door. Assuming it’s Chad come back to take advantage of two-for-one Tuesday, they briefly debate whether they do in fact want to invite him in. They’re both sort of, “I do, but only if you do too,” about it, but before you know it, Scotty’s opening the door …

… to find Sarah on the doorstep. And she’s got JBF hair! To explain what she’s doing there, I have to back up a bit and recap her story this week, which is basically something you’d find on the Lifetime channel if Lifetime had branched out into female-empowerment porn. And the name of the porno flick would be, as Sarah herself puts it, “Ojai Dudes.” Sarah has gone back to work at Ojai Foods, only to find it’s turned into a veritable B&B. Meaning “Biceps & Buns” factory, with all these office himbos in tight office casual attire wiggling their way through the hall. Obviously with Tommy gone, Holly’s the one who’s been doing all the hiring.

One himbo in particular catches Sarah’s eye … “Cal” from accounting. Who could not be more of a female fantasy if he were shown making an extra effort to leave the toilet seat down for her. He’s swarthy and vaguely Latino with an Antonio Banderas accent, AND a former minor league ballplayer, AND a volunteer firefighter. Oh, and he also offers to help unpack Sarah’s box. Before you know it, his shirt’s off (more extra points!) and the two of them are doing it right in the storage room.

Which is how Sarah gets to Kevin’s doorstep, because she needed to brag about this to somebody who would appreciate it. As she explains, Kevin was the “most promiscuous member of the family” before he got married. Scotty inexplicably gets pissed at Kevin about this, and then gets even angrier when Kevin launches into the details of their almost-threesome with Chad. Covering his erect nipples with the Liza throw pillow, Scotty snits off into the other room. Out of all the contrived, ridiculous things about this episode, this was the most ridunkulous, given how out of character it was for Scotty. Not to mention how quickly both of them got over being so horny.

The next day, Kevin visits Scotty at work and they both admit to feeling a little weird. Scotty seems to be over his hissy fit, though, and says you can hardly blame Chad for wanting a piece of both of them. They talk about how they’re “nesters” at heart, leading Kevin to make that tired old joke about lesbians (points off!). Then they resign themselves to being “monogamous, domesticated, married,” and as Scotty says, “I wouldn’t have it any other way.” Awwww.

 

I was all set to criticize this episode for having the gay couple involved in a threeway, because I was worried that it contributed to a common stereotype about gay people being raging sex maniacs, as if being gay as some sort of gateway relationship to every kink imagineable. But in a gratifying surprise, the episode wound up with them reaffirming their devotion to one another. And more significantly, the threeway story was in the same episode where Nora’s swinging ex-BF Roger showed up (he of the “open” marriage), thereby reminding us that the real kinksters out there are straight, oily, geriatric Europeans.

Back on good old Puritanical American soil, Roger announces the open marriage has now closed shop. He a one-woman man, and the one woman is Nora. She’s briefly happy about this, but then announces she needs some time off to deal with all her family drama first. Roger says he’s willing to wait for her. Good luck with that, buddy. Nora should have grappled with all the Walker family drama in, oh, I’d say 2014.

What else happened this week? Oh, yeah, Ryan kept acting all creepy-obsessed over Rebecca. I liked him back when he was stirring up trouble with Justin. But this storyline with him and Rebecca is just a snoozefest.

Also, speaking of snoozefests, we also continued watching Kitty’s marriage unfold in slower-than-real-time. She keeps flirting with cleft-chin Dad at the playground, prattling on about what a cold-hearted, ambitious asshat her husband’s turned out to be. And playground Dad sits there patiently eating his fro-yo, although if I were this guy, I’d be going, “Umm, lady, that’s my state senator you’re talking about. TMI, okay?”

Finally, and perhaps best of all, an unseen Tommy calls Julia and tells her that even though the D.A. cleared him on all charges, he’s still not coming home and wants to be on his own. I love this! When most shows have a major character leave, they do it in some noble fashion like having them die or take a job overseas or something. But here they managed to do it in a way that made Tommy even more of a douche than ever! Got to love that!

And even though much of this episode was as forced and contrived as its title, I’m giving it an up arrow. Partly because I’m just tired of complaining about this show and want to go back to enjoying it. But mostly because the return of Kevin’s ex, which could so easily have been played for melodrama, was instead handled lightly and humorously. Much of this episode was simply fun to watch, and it was nice for a change to see Kevin and Scotty having fun too.

Eric Winter as Jason
 

Now if only they could hook Chad up with Reverend Jason! Then the four of them could buy a country home together.

What did you think of Chad’s return?

Jon's picture

Not surprised

I didn't think they were ever going to have Scotty and Kevin have a threeway, because of the message that would send, given that they're one of the only gay couples on TV, and probably the most popular. I was surprised they had the scene of them kissing and being shirtless. It was a frenzied scene, not enough time to freak anyone out, but still far more than I expected on any network show.

If they're going to have a threeway I wish it would be with Cristian de la Fuente.

Ryan just disgusts me, the character is so shallow and boring. The only interesting part of his scenes for me was Ken Olin. Now there's a "daddy" to like, and a good example of how you can still be hot while not having excessive plastic surgery that ruins your face.

 

 

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JC's picture

Brothers and ah just forget about the sisters

Ok have to say it was the gayest episode by far. The up arrow went way up with the kiss! and then the shirtless scene. I could not stop laughing at Scotty when he opened the door.

Those first few minutes were priceless and saved the show from being a real downer. I've gotten to the point I could care less about Kitty they should have offed her and just keep Rob Lowe around for eye candy.

Sarah's fling with Cal was a nice change of pace and the up arrow also went way up when his shirt came off. YUMMY.

 

Episode was the best shirtless episode in any series so far this year!.

Charles's picture

Liked it, but...

A lot of this episode left me smiling but the ending felt so forced and contrived to make the gay community happy for it's positive representation. I was hoping that after Scotty has his last line that Kevin would walk up behind him, give him a kiss and say something like, "That doesn't mean we can't have an occasional quickie during work breaks!"

Also, I loved Cal. The only thing is that he reminded me of a minor character from the show Futurama. He reminded me of the character, Victor (pronounced Veec-torr) who was the smooth talking, sleazy Latino sales associate who worked for Malfunctioning Eddy.

Cinematt01's picture

Down arrow from me!

H A T E D I T ! They didn't dodge that offensive stereotype. The only thing keeping them from the 3-way was the fact that Chad wasn't the one at the door. And who is writing for Scotty now? By any chance have they hired any writers from ATWT? Cinematt01
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Jon's picture

I doubt it

Kevin and Scotty were in the heat of the moment. If Chad had actually shown up and they had to face the situation, they probably wouldn't have gone through with it.
Hallah's picture

"Vaguely Latino"?

So being from Chile only qualifies one as "vaguely Latino"? Standards are so high these days! Poor Cristian.

I never liked Chad, I still don't like Chad, and Jason Lewis was looking haggard. Still, at least Scotty and Kevin got some makeout time in. Now if only they would put in an Early Sarah Warning system...

Steven Frank's picture

OK, Totally Latino

You're right and I appreciate you calling me on this. I only meant that they never identify a specific country that "Cal" is from. He's clearly Latino just not identified by a specific nationality, in the way generic heart throbs from romances typically are. And wherever he's from, he is one fine looking man!
Hallah's picture

Nah, no worries. I was just

Nah, no worries. I was just yanking your chain. But I definitely agree with your explanation. Cal is from Latinovania or wherever characters without specificity come from, and for all we know, his name might actually be Caliente. I'm not sure whether to be irritated or just wallow in, ah, aesthetic appreciation.
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Ed Kennedy's picture

Comments compared to livechat

Last night on the livechat, and I think I can get this right, because we were averaging a comment every 6 seconds, the biggest problem caem with the resolution:  Scotty walking out, the way they talk about it the next day.  People didn't mind the kiss on the street, the drinks, the decline of the offer (although they didn't understand why Scotty seemed scandalized, people seemed to think he'd been around the block), or the passionate make session, or even the quick decision to open the door for Chad.  

The problem people had last night seemed to center around introducing a major relationship point, one that many couples struggle with, and wrapping it up in 38 seconds.  I was sloppy storytelling, and showed the whole experience as a sexy plot contrivance rather than character development.  It seems to be a disease with soaps lately, to completely set up wonderful situations that could do character development, then make it about the situation and not the character.  This one could have gone either way, and they took a lazy way out.

It still could have been sexy and fun, and had the characters explore the aftermath onscreen a little.  I loved seeing Scotty not holding a wine glass or a serving platter (when he showed up third act), but I feel shortchanged on Scotty as a character. 

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Steven Frank's picture

Totally Agree

Ed, thanks for filling me on the gist of the chat. I totally agree about the hasty resolution to the Kevin/Scotty/Chad triangle this week. In fact, when they showed their wedding photos and talked about it almost being their one year anniversary, I realized that all we've seen this year of this marriage is a series of minor hiccups that are easily resolved by episode's end, whereas we've been forced to see every excruciating detail of Kitty and Robert's marital problems. It might have been nice, for example, if the stuff they raised about Kevin's insecurities with Scotty's success, or Scotty's issues with Kevin working for Robert, had actually amounted to a more extended conflict. Or if one of them was into the threeway with Chad and the other wasn't. Instead, we get these mini-storylines that, while entertaining, still seem subservient to the goings on of the straight characters.
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T.W.'s picture

Happy Wrap-Up

Absolutely to both of you.  I was generally fine with, and enjoyed their story last night up until the very end.  I actually thought that Scotty seemed more into the idea than Kevin, which was unexpected and great, if unbelievable (especially considering the history with him, Kevin and Chad which was almost completely ignored).

But the ending was forced and resolved nothing.  As said above, this is not the type of thing that can be dealt with in one minute-long conversation.  The biggest missing element was that neither one said WHY these two people who have always expressed a desire and preference for monogamy were willing to consider it - the allure of Chad, excitement and frustration because there had been too much interruptus lately, or something else?  Without tackling that, any agreement to move on as they had been will mean nothing the next time someone comes along with an offer.

And having to watch week after week after week of Kitty's frustration and increasing distance from Robert, the easy resolution to all of K/S's problems make their relationship seem way too much like a cheesy after-school sitcom where nothing has lasting consequences.

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wagville's picture

I see your point but I understand theirs

From a writerly point of view, you're absolutely right. But I totally get why the B&S people are playing this couple the way they are. It's really the only positive and "stable" gay couple on TV, at a time when public opinion about the marriage-worthiness of gay couples is exactly on the fence, ready to tip in the ethical direction with only a little help (and without a lot of hindrance). So I understand the political underpinnings behind this couple's progression; they need to have "conflict" so they're not singled out as the "gay characters who aren't like everybody else," but it can't be the kind of conflict that confirms to Middle America that we're all just dicks with Liza pillows.

Me personally, I was totally hoping it was Chad on the other side of the door, wearing a pizza delivery boy uniform. Cue sleazy saxophone music. But then, I'm not too noble for porn, and I'm probably not the poster boy for All Gays are Leaving it to Beaver.

Being half-Latin, I think I'll mouth off about the Cal thing also. On the one hand, it's annoying that he was "generic Latino" without due respect paid. On the other, it's kind oif cool that he could just "be" without his race having to be made an issue (the character seemed written neutral, and they just happened to cast a Latino guy). I don't mind the fact that his Latino-ness was the extra defining factor for how sexy he was. It's true. We are. :)

Great, hilarious recap, as usual, Steven.

 

 

The blog would like to crank up the saxophone music for the right pizza delivery.

Liz's picture

i wanna know...

does anyone think they should've gone through with it? (if that had turned out to be chad on the other side of the door)

just curious.

Ed Kennedy's picture

Should they? That's complicated...

Liz, this is a tough question, so I'll answer it in my typical longwinded fashion.

Do I think Kevin and Scotty should have done it?  Probably not, but that's more a commentary on society and media that it is on the practice.  I don't think middle American, or even coastal America is really ready to see a negotiated gay relationship.  In reality do many gay relationships go monogamous?  Absolutely.  Do a lot of them include negotiated extra-marital sexual realtionships?  Yes, they absolutely do.  Is either situation healthier than the other?  I don't think so, personally.

The gay community has been forced for years to define their own relationship standards, in absence of a societal norm.  And as much as I may get shouted down for it, I'm not sure men are completely built for monogamy.  So we negotiate our own rules, and we can build healthy relationships either way, as long as communication is open.  Heterosexuals do it to, but in my experience, not as often or openly - look at Nora and Roger.  

Roger had a negotiated relationship.  And it's no accident that that relationship came up during this episode, to see the paths it can take.  It was interesting they made the gay couple the monogamous one, and played out the negotiation on the polyamorous one with a senior straight couple.  Neither model is wrong, and the show deserves kudos for showing a couple of different relationship models.

But back to Kevin and Scotty - I'm posessive of them as a couple, even as little exposure as we get to them as such.  They're the only functional marriage on the show.  They're really the only fully realized gay couple on TV, with family, love, careers, and all that goes with it.  And yet they're also largely a mystery.  If this is all we get to know about them, we don't know enough to expand their relationship beyond traditional boundaries and expect the whole viewing nation to understand.

So I guess the answer is no - Kevin and Scotty as we know them should not have gone through with it.  That's not to say that if we knew them better, or if they were on a Logo or here! show, I wouldn't have a different opinion, but saying yes for an honest couple isn't necessarily bad. 

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Liz's picture

ed...

hey ed. this is the same ed from last night?  :-P

"And as much as I may get shouted down for it, I'm not sure men are completely built for monogamy."

^ this caught my eye. i sort of agree with that. i only say sort of because i think men (er, males) in human and nature were originally created to create populations. it's still that way in the wild. (male animals will mate with several females) for male humans these days, i think they have....adapted. make sense? it's not a "must" for men to go around having sex with everyone to make the population boom. ok, whatever. i am not making sense.

back to the actual topic...you say no. i see a lot of people feel that way. i understand it, but i also an arguement in some forums that "if they did do the threesome, they would no longer be monogamous" <--- this i do NOT understand. can't a couple do something once, in this case, a threesome, and never do it again...and STILL be monogamous? if they were to do it over and over and over and over again....THEN OK, i get it. so that arguement is lost on me. makes no sense to me at all.

anyways, i'm all about having fun and taking chances...my answer would be yes, though chad looked rough as hell. i would've asked for a replacement or something.

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Ed Kennedy's picture

It's me, Liz!

Yup - it's the same friendly neighborhood Ed that hosts the livechats.  Then I come back here and stir up trouble in the comments.

I draw my opinions on monogamy from nature, with animals, traditional societies of early humans, and my own nature.  None of these are monogamous - males mate to spread the line.  And in my life,  there would never be a surprise like this - I like to get it out front early on my personal thoughts on the subject, and if that's not going to work with a guy, it's probably not going to be a relationship.  That's not to say there have to be others, but there is the possibility.  Could I personally change that at a certain age, maturity, or for a particular guy?  Sure, I suppose.  Like you said, it's not a must.  And you made perfect sense to me.

As to the argument you're talking about on the other forums, about whether a one-time threesome means monogamy is broken for a couple, well, I think that's complicated.  Is it?  Probably not, with mature guys of Kevin and Scotty's age.  But a single threesome, spur-of-the-moment, if these topics hadn't been discussed, or they'd been discussed and agreed that they were monogamous?  Yeah, that could break monogamy in a relationship.

Think of a non-discussed monogamy, or a agreed to monogamy as more of a mental thing than a physical thing.  If the relationship  isn't prepared for a physical break, then the psychological impact of even a mutually agreed-but-not-talked-about threeway would probably break the trust the monogamy is built on.  Break the trust, the monogamy won't survive.  Don't talk it through sufficiently after it happens, it's sort of an implied permission to do it again.  Trust gets dicey then, even if you're not jumping into the next guy's bed with your partner.  Soon you're cheating on your own.

I'm not entirely sure I'm making sense here, but the point I think I'm trying to get across is that for a realtionship that's unprepared (as far as we know) for this situation, and a third is introduced, something breaks. Men are simple creatures - if you touch the stove and you don't get burned, you'll touch the stove again.  We also like fun, adrenaline, and orgasms.  

If a realtionship worked all this out that a 3-way could be acceptable in advance, but it had never happened, Chad presents no real obstacle to the ongoing, general monogamy in the relationship.  If it had been discussed and ruled out, or never talked about at all, and it pops up and happens, you've probably got a snowball effect towards ongoing extra-marital activity.

I should probably note that taking relationship advice from me is likely a bad idea, but this is how I deal with the issue, and how I think it applies to our boy scouts. 

Knickie's picture

I don't think the threesome

I don't think the threesome angle would be a problem for a lot of couples -- however, this was with a guy who one of the partners was seriously involved with AND had serious feelings for. That's the deal-breaker. Too much baggage comes along with Chad -- it's not a roll in the hay with an anonymous trick, it's bringing in an old boyfriend. I'm sure if Scotty had brought in a guy from his past, Kevin wouldn't have thought it was such a great idea!
Liz's picture

if they did it...

i do think if kevin and scotty did do it and later felt uneasy, they would've discussed it. this show could've pulled that discussion off i think, but alas...

i understand why some didn't want it, due to the stereotype, but i guess i am in the mind of "well, tackle it and then handle the subject without making it a stereotypical thing" - - like my example in my first sentence. times are different and if handled right, you can pull this stuff off. hell, QAF did pretty well. i know, two different shows, different channels, blah blah....i'm a risk taker i guess.

OH! i am so surprised nobody really has mentioned how sarah said kevin was the most promiscuous (totally spelled that wrong, but whatever) no "omg, they made the gay brother the most sexually active?" comments. interesting. wonder what people's take on that was.

i'm starting to ramble. *shuts up*

 

 

T.W.'s picture

Going through with it

Liz - I would answer no on two different levels.

First, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I don't believe it is in character for them.  Is it an issue that comes up for many couples?  I imagine so.  Is monogamy right for all people?  Maybe not.  But we're talking about a specific couple here.  These characters have been developed - maybe not as completely as we would have liked but developed nonetheless - over 3 years as men who were not always successful at fidelity, but strived for it.  ("When I'm exclusive, I'm exclusive." "If Scotty cheated on me..." etc.).  They clearly want a monogamous relationship not because society tells them that's what they should want, but because that's what these two individuals are comfortable with.  Are they going to be tempted? Of course.  But even if it had been Chad at that door, I'm positive they would have made the decision again to turn him down.

On the second level - let's say they were willing to go there. If it were Chad at the door, should they have gone through with it? Absolutely not.  Making a decision like that on the spur of the moment without first discussing boundaries and what they were comfortable with would have resulted in some serious fall-out.  Especially considering this is a hot (supposedly) actor ex of Kevin's who he once tried to make jealous by using Scotty.  I would imagine Scotty might eventually have had some insecurity issues with that.  Sure, it would make for some good TV-fights and possibly character development or a story arc (although I doubt it).  But looking at it from the characters' reality, it would have been a huge mistake.

Speaking of long-winded...

bambino italiano's picture

I think they should have gone through with the threesome .....

If we going to talk about characters development here. All season long their relationship constantly sidetrack by other Walkers issues. They could have gone through with the threesome and have the couple regretting it and explore further on their insecurities with each other and within themselves. Why should we play the gay characters for the hetero society's approval? It's unrealistic and one dimensional. We have the same issues like any other populations. Dealing with discrimination is a huge issue but only one of many issues we as regular people face each day.
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Psionycx's picture

Memo to Senator Hairboy

Just an FYI for the clueless Robert: you lost her when she asked to you to put yourself in her shoes and your response was that then nobody would be in your's.

One thing that perplexes me about B&S is that it's a lot like Star Trek: Voyager.  Each episode is utterly self-contained, so that even when they seem to be referencing the past (such as bringing back Chad) nobody really notices.

Robert is oblivious to the slight possibility that his pre- and post-heart attack jerkishness might have contributed his marital woes. Scotty, who was the very poster boy of twinkiness in Season One, is suddenly a mature prude. Nora, who agonized over William's betrayal with Holly for two seasons, seems oddly undisturbed by the idea of Roger leaving his (open relationship) wife for her. Kitty seems to have forgotten that she and Robert are supposed to be conservatives and a core element of conservativism is that the husband is head and decider of the family, even if his wife doesn't like it.

All of that said, this was very cute. I loved Sarah with the JBF hair!  I just hate that she put a stop to Kevin and Scotty getting it on (again). Chad the Cad was hot as ever and totally in character. I never really believed that he was commitment-oriented. Like his agent warned Kevin, it was just the stress of coming out talking. That he would try and score a threeway with his hot ex and his hot ex's even hotter husband is no surprise. Holly's apparent re-staffing of Ojai Dudes, er, Foods was also cute. Somehow I expected nothing less from her.

On the downside I've stopped understanding Nora. The Ryan/Rebecca/Justin triangle is a snoozefest. Julia is now totally pointless and I'm guessing that they're getting ready to write her off.

I guess my main issue is what others have noted as well. Each episode is self-contained.  Crisis pops up, crisis is resolved, on to the next crisis. Kevin and Scotty should have spent some time discussing why they might have been up for a threeway with Chad (besides the obvious reason). Nora should be wondering if she's becoming Holly (if she starts wearing tacky jewelry we'll know). The only thing that continues at a slow pace is the disintegration of Kitty and Robert's marriage, which at this rate will take another three seasons.

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kevinfan's picture

Re: B&S

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Nora should be wondering if she's becoming Holly (if she starts wearing tacky jewelry we'll know).

I don't see why she would feel that way.  The situations are completely distinguishable, IMO.  Roger never cheated on Wendy because they were in an open marriage and therefore mutually agreed this was permissible.  Furthermore, Wendy not only knew about Roger's dating Nora, evidently she was happy for him.  (IIRC, he had mentioned they had effectively become platonic roommates as opposed to your traditional husband and wife.)

To me, this is in direct contrast to the William/Holly situation, where William cheated on Nora for 20 years all the while pretending to honor their commitment to being monogamous.  And unlike the current situation, Holly knew for a fact that Nora was not aware of William's affair, much less approved of it. 

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How would Nora know?

I don't recall her speaking to Roger's wife at all (maybe I missed something). As I remember it the whole "open relationship" thing was explained to her by Roger himself. Then Roger shows up, having since split up with his wife.

To me this would raise some questions. After all, who knows what William told Holly during all of the more than 20 years that they were together? Did he say that his relationship with Nora was "open"?  That they no longer had sex?  That he was going to leave Nora and marry Holly "someday"?

One would think that this would pass through Nora's mind. So far as I saw she had only Roger's word about his marital situation. The fact that he came onto her in the first place without even mentioning his wife should have raised suspicions about his honesty. 

Could Roger and his wife's split have something to do with the "open relationship" thing? Was it perhaps more "open" on his end than on her's? Or was it ever really "open" at all? Maybe he was just an adulterer pure and simple. Like William, who shamelesly cheated on his wife for decades, to the point of keeping a full-time mistress setup in a household of her own!

Given the way the whole William issue was so central to Nora's story, especially in Season One, it's odd that it isn't playing more of a role in the Roger storyline.  It just seems like we're not getting into Nora's head enough. We're just supposed to accept the direction of the story and not think too deeply.  Rather like a soap.

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Re: How would Nora know?

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. After all, who knows what William told Holly during all of the more than 20 years that they were together? Did he say that his relationship with Nora was "open"?  That they no longer had sex?  That he was going to leave Nora and marry Holly "someday"?

We know that Holly became well aware of Nora early in her affair with William.  There has been absolutely no indications that William misled Holly into believing that he and Nora were in an open relationship (which would have utterly strained belief).  Holly knew William was committing adultery.  And she's never denied that. 

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Could Roger and his wife's split have something to do with the "open relationship" thing? Was it perhaps more "open" on his end than on her's? Or was it ever really "open" at all? Maybe he was just an adulterer pure and simple.

To make Roger a simple adulterer would defeat the whole purpose of this story, which was to confront "traditional" Nora with a completely foreign situation.  The show has not given any indication that we aren't to take Roger at face value when he said that he and Wendy were in an open relationship, and that she both knew of his dating Nora and was happy for him. 

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Given the way the whole William issue was so central to Nora's story, especially in Season One, it's odd that it isn't playing more of a role in the Roger storyline.  It just seems like we're not getting into Nora's head enough. We're just supposed to accept the direction of the story and not think too deeply.  Rather like a soap.

Don't forget that WAS Nora's initial reaction when learning Roger was married.  She was furious and specifically said something to the effect of, "Your poor wife.  How dare you do something like this when you know about my history with William." 

Only after did she learn of Roger and Wendy's open arrangement did her feelings soften....though not to the point of wanting to continue in the relationship, since for once in her life she alone wanted to be "enough" for a man. 

So, yes, Nora is taking Roger at this word.  But sometimes that's a shorthand used in fiction (otherwise, they'd have to cast an actress to play Wendy, etc. and they might not want to go to the trouble).  IMHO, they want us to accept that the situation is accurate as Roger has described it.  B&S is many things, but subtle is not one of them.  If they wanted us to think otherwise, there would have been some pretty big signs indicating otherwise.

And clearly, we're supposed to see Roger and Nora as a romantic couple.  No way would the writers want us to feel that way if, in fact, they were going to write Roger as a lying philanderer.  That just wouldn't make sense.

 

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Psionycx's picture

Shallow Writing

Which leads precisely to my complaint about what's been happening with Brothers & Sisters since the strike. The writing is extremely shallow.  Things happen and character motivations are no longer seriously examined. We, the viewer, are just supposed to accept it as a given. That is a hallmark of soap opera writing but this is supposed to be a higher-end program.

Nora taking everything Roger says at face value is damn peculiar, especially given her history with William.  Kevin and Scotty nearly succumbed to the temptation to have a threesome, yet the significance of this in their relationship was not really examined. Tommy casually runs off despite his history of clinging tightly to his family. I mean, not that many episodes ago he made Kevin sign a secrecy agreement so that he, Tommy, could go on pretending to be Elizabeth's biological father.  Now the writers want us to believe that he cares so little about her that he's prepared to just run off. Actor issues or not that's sloppy!

The only thing they're taking any time with is Kitty and Robert, which is so glacially slow that it's like watching paint dry. But even there it's not really being examined much. Robert's been a jerk and nobody will tell him so to his face, not even Kitty. Kitty is just drifting off. But what happened to her book tour? The TV appearances?  How quickly does time pass on this show that she's now free to just sit in the park bonding with Hot Daddy every day?

Why is Robert still sitting around the house? A lot of members of the U.S. Senate are so old and decrepit that they practically have to be carried into the chamber every day but they're working. How is it that Robert has nothing to do? Ted Kennedy's still lurking around and he had a brain tumor removed! At the very least the house should be crawling with aides (and Kevin) working.

It's all just so weak. I'm expecting more depth and it's just not there lately.

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No arguments there

I agree the show has been plagued with weak plotting as of late.  Part of the trouble stems from devoting precious screentime to the absolute waste known as Ryan, Rebecca, and Holly/David.  Seriously, they could have fire-bombed Holly's home when they were all having dinner and the show would have been much better for it.

To be honest, the Robert/Kitty storyline is one of the few compelling things going on right now.  I'm not a big fan of the couple, but it feels truthful and real.  And it has been built up over the last couple seasons, in contrast to many of the self-contained story arcs the writers typically resolve in a single episode.

I can only hope Nora, Sarah, and Kevin/Scotty are given stories with that kind of depth next season.  And much, much less Ryan nonsense.

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Focus on the Walkers

Agreed.  Holly and Rebecca served a purpose in Seasons One and Two. But now they're just redudant characters. David doesn't belong period.  He has no connection to the Walkers and is only there as a supporting character for Holly and Rebecca. Ryan's main function was to free up Rebecca from being a sister so that she could become Justin's love interest, but that plotline has stagnated in my opinion. So now Ryan is genuinely pointless.

They really need to re-focus on the Walkers, rather than on these glorified extras. Between Nora, Saul, Sarah, Kitty, Robert, Tommy, Julia, Kevin, Scotty, Justin and the kids we have more than enough characters. We don't need to keep dragging dead wood along just because it was there in previous seasons. William is long dead now and Ojai Foods is not Ewing Oil or Denver-Carrington. So Holly and her hangers-on have really become superfluous.

Robert & Kitty is the only steady ongoing storyline going on right now. But it's also stagnant at least partially because it's mostly happening in a vacuum. Sarah poked her nose in and has since let the matter lie. Kitty is keeping Nora distanced. Kevin should be around to notice the issue but mysteriously isn't, despite being a key employee of Robert's. Justin heard about the problem and it just sent him flying off to Rebecca. This storyline should have a lot of emotion, but instead it just has a weary, indifferent Kitty and clueless Robert. It has potential but they need to inject some feeling into it.

Kevin & Scotty are also hanging. Their storylines are purely single-episode in nature. We have a vague notion that their ongoing sex life is problematic due to Scotty's busy work schedule (Kevin appears to have free time in abundance). Other than that we don't see much else going on with them.

Nora is being reduced to a stock character whose main purpose is to be smothering. Sally Field is being totally wasted the way they're using her right now. Sarah is at least starting to get sassy and fun again, but is also under-used.

I'm really hoping that they'll recover the show's original momentum in the Fourth Season.

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Mike's picture

Bros and Sis's

After a multi-week absence and normally high quality writing, I found the episode vapid to say the least.  The Chad 3 way thing was rather shallow (street kiss) and why has no one noticed Chad's rather cheap looking dye job on his hair. (gasp-could reality be "GRAY for the handsome Jason).  The whole himbo routine with Sarah was equally shallow, but you knew something was coming with her perpetual "need some ass" mentality she projected from the first minute and Cal's signature to "waive" his harrassment rights, give me a break. (Maybe they should have had a Dancing with the Stars fantasy segment to make it more silly)

After a multi-week absence, i think the show has got too many characters such that each one gets nothing more than a morsel and we want more. 

 

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chuck's picture

Jason Lewis

Wow, and I thought Jason Lewis looked scary in 'Sex In The City - The Awful Movie.'  Something bad has happened to him, and it's not just this show, which gets worse by the episode.
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Jamie's picture

I'm still having trouble seeing...

after being blinded by the gay vampire's pale, pale, pale chest.  Enough with Ryan already!!  Creepy sullen emo-lite stalker.  Get him off the show already!!!!  What purpose does he serve?  He has ZERO chemistry with Rebecca!  Maybe, they should try him with Saul....
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I'm thinking the producers are cashing in on Robert Pattinson's

popularity from Twilight. Ryan is the poor cousin of his. Perhaps tween girls and boys would be lured to watch the show?
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ryan

Ryan does seem like a lame attempt to draw a tween audience.  Why?  This show is written for adults and airs at 10PM on a Sunday night!  Who the F thinks there should be ANY kind of teen draw? 

Did someone try to introduce Jessica Fletcher's middle-aged daughter to Murder She Wrote?  No, it was written for the over-50s and was proud to do so.  B&S is written for the 30-40 crowd, and it shouldn't be made into something it's not.

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As usual, I thought it was

As usual, I thought it was a great episode, minus the Robert/Kitty nonsense.  (I still suspect this is all leading up to Kitty "realizing" that she totally loves Robert and forgives him for his season-long dickitude.  I'd love to be surprised by this, but I am not counting on it.)

I think Ryan is a total freak and is going to go psycho at any moment.  He screams "escapee from juvenile mental hospital" to me.  We need to get his hot dad back as a love interest for Nora and to explain Ryan's state of mind.

LOVE LOVE LOVE the relationship between Kevin and Sarah.  They are the only two siblings who genuinely act like friends, and it's refreshing.

As for the threesome... I totally didn't think they'd go there, but I found it to be horribly unrealistic.  If Kevin and Scotty weren't threesome people, they wouldn't have even entertained the idea, much less had horny sex whilst thinking about it.  CLEARLY in real life they would have done it.  So shame on the producers for introducing it as a possibility without having the balls to follow through on it.  (But good for Sarah for being cosmopolitan enough to not think it would have been a big deal.)

I continue to love this show for what it IS, not what it could/should be.  It's the only well-written serial family drama on TV right now, and I look forward to it each week.  I know I'm in the minority, but I DON'T think the show should be the Kevin And Scotty Show.  They are only a small part of the equation.

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Fantasy vs. Reality

zanefan wrote:

If Kevin and Scotty weren't threesome people, they wouldn't have even entertained the idea, much less had horny sex whilst thinking about it.  CLEARLY in real life they would have done it. 

I'm going to have to disagree with you there.  There are plenty of people who have horny and/or role-play sex because of some fantasy they wouldn't really do, ranging from the relatively vanilla threesome or sex in public/with a stranger to the more extreme bondage/rape fantasies.  Just because they got turned on by the idea of doing something "a little naughty" doesn't mean they CLEARLY would have done it in real life.

zanefan's picture

You're right of course,

You're right of course, that does indeed happen.

In the context of this episode, though, I think Kevin and Scotty were both written as wanting MORE than just a fantasy.  We didn't see the actual discussion between them and Chad, but when they thought he was knocking on the door, they seemed to come to the joint realization that they both DID want to do it after all.

So, that's my point, really.  They were written concurrently as wanting a threesome and being totally satisfied with monogamy.  It was an awkward combination that didn't ring true to me.

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Game of dare

Just a matter of reading scenes and acting differently, I suppose.  I saw their behavior throughout this episode as a game of foreplay between the two of them, trying to see how far they could push the other one.  In the scene where Kevin tells Scotty about meeting Chad, it seemed to me to be non-stop in terms of stepping closer and closer to each other, daring each other to back down, both a little jealous and a little turned on.  Therefore, to me, their reaction later felt like an extension of that.  They had already more or less established that Chad's suggestion had gotten them hot and bothered.  But the conclusion that it was Chad at the door, after they had - I imagine - quite clearly turned him down, was a huge leap of faulty logic.  Did they really think it was him?  Or were they just pretending, to see whether the other one would back down?  It played much more, to me, like a game taken a little too far and resulting in some uncomfortableness and upset feelings.  But I don't think they would have gone through with it, even if it HAD been Chad on the other side of that door.  

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I disagree...

...that they were both "totally satisfied with monogamy". Scotty was saying it too forcefully like he was trying to make himself believe it and the look on Kevin's face was very queasy like he didn't really buy into it either. They both wish they were satisfied with monogamy but they were both very open to a threesome. 

On a side note, I just don't see the appeal of Jason Lewis. I loved him on "Sex in the City"...I thought he was wonderful, gorgeous and believable, but lately, I just don't get him anymore. He is puffy, self-conscious, and unattractive. He seemed to have lost something. 

 

 

 

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scotty's realism

I actually think Scotty's behaviour made total sense. He wasn't jealous about Chad once he realized he could meet Chad is because he had a harmless crush on Chad's character, Dr Phillip. Having a crush can make people react differently than they normally would. He was probably too cheered by the thought of having drinks with Dr Phillip to be pissy about something which Kevin had no control over.

Scotty's later anger when Kevin spilled the beans to Sarah, also made sense. Even though the Walker clan have always had a problem with boundaries, Scotty's family seems more of the reserved type. They certainly wouldn't have discussed their sex life. But, beyond that, I think Scotty was upset at the way Kevin phrased it, implying that Scotty alone was considering the threesome. I think both Kevin and Scotty felt a little guilty and confused at the idea of even considering it, which is why Scotty was so embarassed when Kevin put it all on him. 

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Alfred's picture

Was it just me

Or did someone also get the reference where Sarah and Kevin both had sex with the same guy when they were young? Looks like the two like to feast off the same prey eh. LOL.

Hopefully this episode has set the course for the next season, which btw, has it been renewed for season 4? Robert needs to go. So does Tommy (and unfortunately Julia and cabbage). Also another big unfortune, that Vampire-look-alike is staying,,,to suck Rebecca's blood further. 
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B&S

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Also another big unfortune, that Vampire-look-alike is staying,,,to suck Rebecca's blood further.

As long as I don't have to watch them doing it, I really don't care. I'm done with the both of them.

And I fear we will have more Robert coming our way too. You don't fire a "star" like Rob Lowe. So we'll have more nails-over-chalkboard moments for Kevin/Robert, as Kevin is the only other character Robert is connected to. And more Kevin/Robert, means less Kevin/Scotty. And that last thing bothers me more then Ryan and Robert staying.

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