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The Homophobia is Out There in New "X-Files" Movie

Chris Carter, the creator of The X-Files series and the writer, producer, and director of this movie, may be unaware of this aspect of cinematic history, but The X-Files: I Want to Believe falls right into this ignoble tradition. What’s surprising is that gay faves David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson didn’t speak up at some point: you know, the couple kidnapping these folks could just as easily be heterosexual, couldn’t they?

The movie is disappointing in other ways too. This seems to have been an attempt to “restart” The X-Files series — focusing on the intimate, personal lives of Mulder and Scully rather than the correspondingly “small” storyline (which no doubt also kept the budget down on this frayed-at-the-edges franchise).

In a way, it’s refreshing to see a summer “blockbuster” that isn’t a bloated, CGI-laden behemoth and that includes real, complicated characters and situations (and a fantastic, intense performance by Anderson). And I loved the movie’s moral ambiguity where an evil pedophile priest is presented as an actual, personable human being, not the cartoon monster that Scully first deems him to be.

But this story is too small, or maybe it just doesn’t have any of the complexity of these admittedly rich characters. There are no great twists, no intriguing reveals. If the first X-Files movie was ultimately too obtuse, this one is too straightforward. A knock on the head with a brick, and the villain is defeated.

And a minor point: while it’s fine that there are no actual aliens in I Want to Believe, the movie contains almost no supernatural elements at all. For me, that was a big part of the show’s appeal. I could watch an episode of CSI anytime — literally, since the various incarnations and rip-offs of that show seem to be omnipresent on television these days.

In this day and age, the stereotypical elements in The X-Files: I Want to Believe are disappointing. The movie itself is a little better, but it ultimately lands firmly in the “nice try” category.

Whitetee's picture

OH NO....

PLEASE tell me it`s not true.

I`m SO disappointed in them.I was a HUGE fan of the show(well,at least for early seasons).How can they let me down like this.

Rahmin Nouille's picture

check it out on your own

People should draw their own conclusions.  the movie's small, has no gun turrets, or CGI, and tells a character driven story.  it's a standalone, and it's a solid one. 
Super_Cat's picture

Title?

 What? Why is it sub-titled "I want to Believe" if thier is no aliens in it? They are misleading people with that title.
Alxmouse's picture

The movie tries to make a

The movie tries to make a parallel between Anderson's belief in God and Duchovny's belief in the supernatural. It just did it badly.

You watch the First 3 Indiana Jones (good movies) and all three have a Christian theme. It isn't until the latest that there is an alien theme. It too was done badly.

 

Crabby Lioness's picture

I'm so not surprised.

X-Files was a trashy collection of old B-Movie, Kolcheck, and The Avengers scripts smowthered in a sickening sauce of paranoia and conspiracy theory.  The only good episodes were the ones where they made fun of themselves.  It stunk so bad it got to the point where I was cheering for the aliens to throw all the characters in a pit, nuke it, and raygun whatever crawled out.
GaySpouseDotCom's picture

Thanks for the warning about X-Files

I go to a lot of movies with friends and it is great to be warned of the crap-tastic ones in advance.
Bobbyjoe's picture

I Want to Believe I Really Didn't See This Movie.

Great article, Brent; thanks for helping expose this. I didn't know that the X-Files film was dedicated to one of the founders of the Trevor Project, which makes its jawdropping stupidity in how it approaches its gay characters all the more surprising.

Given how this movie is struggling at the box office, its an even more lame-brain decision to give us villains that make Silence of the Lamb's Buffalo Bill look like Ennis Del Mar by comparison.  I was a big fan of the show and I tried to ignore the early negative buzz about the movie.  I sat in the theatre and thought "hey, this isn't that bad" for awhile (it was good to see Duchovny and Anderson back together again). The movie has other problems, sure, but I gave it every chance until it hit that "married in Massachussets" line, and then it felt like I was being punched in the face. All my good will went out the window, and then it just got worse and worse as I realized what they were doing.  There may not have been any aliens in this one, but they sure did a good job alienating this fan.

I hate it when you're trying to watch a movie and they suddenly throw in a "f*g" joke, but the X-Files goes way farther than that: this isn't a joke, but one of the most grotesque portrayals of gay characters on screen I've seen in a long, long time. Particularly disturbing is that, in a film where there actually aren't a lot of special effects, one of the most prominent effects is the white, distorted vampire-like body of the "diseased" gay man. Seriously, even if you get past the creators of this film being oblivious to how it might look to 1) relate your gay characters' history directly to a pedophile and 2) portray the main gay character as a vicious fiend who punches and abducts women, how in the world could they think that featuring the spectacle of the diseased body of a gay man as your central "monster" image was a wise idea? Oh, gee, a scary diseased gay man. Duh, movie-making Einsteins, what idea might that conjure up?

Chirs Carter, the main force behind this mess, was likely trying to shoe-horn in every social issue he could think of: stem cell research is here, pedophile priests, etc.  It's like they didn't know what to write, so they just picked up a newspaper from last year and tried to throw in every hot topic they could find.  But tossing in same-sex marriage without thinking about how you deal with your gay characters (particularly without any thought to the history of portrayal of gay characters in cinema) is just gross exploitation.  

It suddenly made me start questioning what other gay or lesbian characters the X-Files has featured in the past. Are these the only central gay characters to appear in the X-Files?  It's been a while since I've seen the show, but there weren't any major specifically gay or lesbian characters who stand out in my memory.  Can anyone name any other gay or lesbian characters who ever appeared on the X-Files?  If the pair of villians in this movie is either the only or the most prominent case, then the problem is even worse, in my opinion.

Let's not even get into how, for all the bad reviews of this X-Files movie out there, very few critics that I could find scanning through the many reviews on RottenTomatoes even mentioned the disturbing use of gay characters at all.  It's not like it was subtle-- I'd even expect a critic who'd only ever read even just  a two line description of The Celluloid Closet documentary in a movie magazine to be able to spot the problem in this X-Files movie.  But almost no one says a word.  It's like going to see Birth of a Nation and not mentioning the Ku Klux Klan in your review.  Are mainstream critics that oblivious?  Are they that unaware of film history?  Or are they afraid to raise concerns over even the most blatant slanders and stereotypes for some timid fear of being labelled "politically correct"?  If so, what a bunch of cowards.

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Whitetee's picture

I just happened to

I just happened to have watched the whole nine seasons(I know,I really should get a life).It`s been a while but if I remember correctly there had been only ONE episode in NINE seasons that includes gay people,in fact it`s even a gay couple.But wait for it....it did contain some of the worst stereotype as I recall.

One of the not-so-young black gay couple is clearly meant to be the "wife",very feminine and over-the-top.So yeah,their record isn`t very impressive.But this whole mess "I Want to Believe" brings it to another level.

edit:Just looked it up and found it:

Season 7, Episode 12 "X-Cops"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0751264/

It was a crossover episode with COPS I believe.

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If I remember correctly,

If I remember correctly, there was also a much more gay positive episode in the same season, both written and directed by Gillian Anderson entitled "all things" that features a lesbian couple.

 

Even "X-Cops" wasn't totally hateful, because even though they were over-the-top stereotypes, and if DD couldn't hide his eye rolling, they both did end up being brave, telling each other they wouldn't be scared out of their own home.

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Brent Hartinger's picture

Excellent points...

about AIDS, and about the critics...

 

 

 

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Terry's picture

Thanks for the warning!

I'm really disappointed that the X-Files had to resort to homophobia just to try and get a point across. Then again, this show was on the Fox network so we really shouldn't be surprised. Ah well. I'm waiting for November when my super agent boyfriend (I wish) Daniel Craig returns for his second run as 007.
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[cue Skipper's voice:] Gilligan!!!!

It should also be noted that Vince Gilligan, a producer, scriptwriter and key creative force behind later episodes of The X-Files (but who is not to my knowledge associated with this current X-Files movie), wrote the script to another big summer movie: Hancock

You know, the one with (as AfterElton has pointed out) all the "homo" jokes.

Kind of makes you wonder exactly what was going on over there back in the day on the X-Files lot.

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Nukely's picture

dedication or desecration?

The only reason I can imagine that they would dedicate a film like this to an out, gay man is because they either hated his guts or they suddenly realized that they might be in trouble for their blatant homophobia and they thought a dedication to the cofounder of the Trevor Project would absolve them.

I can't even comment on a sympathetic portrayal of a pedophiliac Catholic Priest.

 

Strepsi's picture

Straight People Just Don't Get It.

Gay men want to be with men!  One half of a gay couple does not want "be the woman" -- this was one of the major failures of Feminist theory also.  

If this movie were REALLY about a gay couple transplanting, they would KILL ANTONIO SABATO JUNIOR and put the guy's head on THAT body.  And then I would pay to see it too ;)

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Brent Hartinger's picture

This is my point!

 

 

 

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Randommer's picture

Damn, I'm torn. My boyfriend

Damn, I'm torn. My boyfriend and I will watch Callum Keith Rennie in pretty much anything, but this just sounds distressing.
Tracer Bullet's picture

Come on...

I would suggest that everyone rushing to judgement see the movie before they commit.

Also, I find it highly disingenous that people of the "let's just have characters be gay, good or bad" then turn around and attack a movie because it has a couple of gay characters that are villains. At no point in the film is it ever even suggested that these people are evil because they are gay.

And the reading of derision in the "married in Massachusetts" line is just mistaken.

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chance47's picture

Did you listen to what they said??? The truth is out there...

Sorry...I hate to be negative on such a great site, but the movie isn't homophobic.  First of all...why is it that any movie or tv show that shows a gay character in a less than positive light it is deemed homophobic?  Dear lord...straight people could claim the media world in general is heterophobic then.

 Second...as a devoted gay x-phile, i was disappointed in the "X-Cops" episode.  But this movie (however disappointing in other ways) wasn't homphobic.  The gay character in question is trying to save his lover whom he married.  There is a scene where he is by his husband's side while the surgery is going on.

Further more...they say that the gay character getting the surgery is dying from terminal lung cancer and has a rare blood type.  They've been doing these experiements for a long time now with female bodies and MALE bodies.  But they have to have the right blood type. 

He doesn't want to be a woman, he wants to live and he is running out of time, which...If you listened while the movie was playing would be more clear.  Maybe I am naive but I don't think the X-Files crew is saying gay men want to be woman.  They are speaking to the lengths (however absurd...and come on people..this is sci fi) people will go to in order to survive.

As the movie is called "I Want to Believe", all of the characters in the movie are searching for something to believe in, and it isn't homphobia.

 

 

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Brent Hartinger's picture

The thing is, these things

The thing is, these things may be "explained," but what has the most impact? It's the creepy visuals of a this murdering gay couple--one man cradling the disembodied head of another one, or one gay man's attached to the boated, nearly-dead body of a woman (but a woman who still has a feminine hand and bright red fingernail polish). They'd taken a gay couple and made them REALLY, REALLY CREEPY, and in the process, they tapped into longstanding stereotypes: that gay men wnat to be women, that gay men are anti-social killers. It's about the EMOTIONAL reaction to these images. For example, if there was a movie about an African American serial rapist of white women, you could argue, well, there ARE African American serial rapists! But I'd argue you have to that powerful media image into the context of centuries of noxious stereotypes--such powerful imagery would REINFORCE these existing stereotypes. So I'd say, it's wrong, in thid day and age anyway. The point of my review is to point out that Chris Carter seems to be unaware of these stereotypes. And I found it really damning that in nine years of a series, and in two movies, he can't EVER include a positive gay couple...and this couple is the totally icky beyond-creepy villians? I'm sorry, I'm gonna ding him for that.

 

 

 

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chance47's picture

I'm inclined to believe...(Spoilers)

I agree with you in general, but not in this context.  I think what is important is the impact, and I do not feel that same impact.   By looking at the greater scheme of this movie, fatih, belief, and what I feel it is about (mostly the need to believe in something for survival and redemption) I think it plays well into the themes.   If we wanted to be accepted in media we need to be accepted as a sum of the parts.   I think the villinous gay characters in this movie represent something even greater.   Their journey is about how far they will go to survive, what lengths they will go to.  And I think its nice that gay characters can be a part of something with a greater meaning. 

I would argue Chris Carter may well be aware of sterotypes or not, but regardless he doesn't allow that to factor into his writing.  If he had made a bigger deal about them being gay.  If he had made them over the top queeny, if he had made them somehow sexually sadistic wearing leather and doing drugs, and then still had them be mass murderers, yes, boo to that.  If they suddenly tried to cruise Mulder while stealing body parts, yes I would be offended.   But what has the most impact to me is the larger picture.  How it fits into the theme of the piece and the theme of the movie.  I didn't hate the characters because they were gay, they didn't kill because they were gay, and they didn't choose their victims because they wanted to be women.  If Chris Carter was truly being homophobic he would have the characters killed at the end (while one is certainly dead due to the context of his illness, the other is knocked out and left alive to be arrested).  He would have strung them up or had them commit suicide as was want to do to gay characters in worse times.     

 And if I am being really nitpicky, Mulder's journey in the movie is that he is still making up for his sister's abduction all those years ago.  If the murderers were kidnapping men then the thematic parallel doesn't work.  Which again is an example of looking at the sum of the parts instead of how one aspect paints a picture.  Which I know brings up the argument...why not two women then or a man and a women.   And then the chicken came first or was it the egg.  My point, and maybe I am just more oblivious, it didn't ring of homophobia to me once.

I love your writing and appreciate your opinions but in my opinion I feel this is a case of looking for something when its not entirely there.  You could say this movie paints Catholics as fools, women as defenseless or all West Virgians as slack-jawed yokels.  But then again I am very biased as an X-Phile and that could entirely be clouding my judgement. 

db's picture

Chris Carter

I haven't seen the movie yet, I'm sure I will as soon as I have time as I was a fan of the TV show--at least the first few years.

I'm not so sure about Chris Carter, Charles Nelson Reilley character aside, there were some gay related things in a few episodes of Millennium that made me uncomfortable, especially the pilot.

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Not a great movie, but not homophobic either...

I completely agree that this movie simply was not homophobic. Everything was tied into the "I want to believe" theme. The fact that the villains being gay did not even come out until the end of the movie, shows that viewers were meant to concentrate on the more pertinant issues in the film that tied in directly with the theme.

They made a point of elaborating that couple was desperate and running out of time so they started hunting down females as well. For me, the image of the dudes head alone registered as bizarre and disturbing, regardless of what gender body it was going on.

David Ehrenstein's picture

"I Want To Believe" This isn't Homophobic --

But of course it is.
Alxmouse's picture

The Gay-Files: You Wouldn't Believe. (Slight Spoiler)

I try not to complain about "gay villains" or "stereotypical gay characters" in the media. I figure you have to take the good representations with that bad.

The X-Files had a gay-pedophile-priest looking to redeem himself with psychic visions from God. A gay-Marlboro-Russian-killer that would risk his life for his husband. A child sexually molested (and now gay) that would do anything to stay with his husband. The only other reference to sexuality was by Anderson and Duchovny. The Gay Files was more like it? And yet I wasn't turned on in the slightest. I only laughed once and that was when you hear the theme music as the face of George Bush is shown. How can you have a gay film without humor?

So I wouldn't call the representation homophobic, just bad; Just like the writing, most of the acting, the plot, the score, etc. I was more bothered (being a fan of the show) about the movie over-all then the about the gay content. Like I said I won't complain about the gay portrayals of the movie. It just the "facts of life." But I never said anything about turning a cult classic into something with worse believability and better cinematography than "Batman Returns."

Insideguy's picture

All I can say

There are much easier ways to undergo sexual re-assignment surgery.  I am so glad that this is the sole and only time I have ever seen anything X-Files.  I want my aliens from outer space, not the Ukraine.  This movie made me want to re-watch the complete works of Rob Schneider, which now seems like high art compared to this, I did it for the cash rehash.

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Scary Monsters and Super Creeps.

I don't buy that the film was really trying to get at the astounding power of one man's love for another or the strength of the gay character's relationship.  Here's why: there's not one scene-- not even one-- that spends any time with these gay characters in any way that suggests basic humanity at the heart of their relationship, let alone love. Are we supposed to give the filmmakers credit for really attempting to humanize these characters for only one quick blink-and-you-miss-it shot of the film's main villain looking doe-eyed at the Nosferatu-like near-corpse of his lover on the operating table?  Please. Do we ever even see these characters speak to one another?  No. (Sure, they presumably speak Russian, but there's a little invention known as subtitles).  Instead, these men are always presented as the shadowy "other," the creep, the voiceless villain, the monster in the basement (or, in this case, the scary dog kennel). 

If Chris Carter and company had truly intended to make these gay villains story a "paralell" to Mulder and Scully's romance (as the film's co-writer Frank Spotnitz tried to claim after being called out on the film's homophobia), then there was a very easy way for them to make that point.  Give us even a quick scene or two where we actually see the humanity in these men's relationship, or where we see them as more than just warped monstorous predators.  Carter and company sure found enough time in the film (several scenes) where they attempt to complicate and "humanize" their pedophile character. But the gay couple never even get a thirty second scene where they speak or actually interact?  Think about that discrepancy for a second, and you begin to see how sick a film this really is.

More to the point, if the intent was to run a parallel story to Scully and Mulder's romance, then why wasn't the dying diseased lover a woman?  It would make a more noticeable connection to the main romance and  would make a whole heck of a lot more sense as to why her husband was trying to graft her head onto young women's bodies.

Exactly why did Carter and Spotnitz decide it should be a gay couple?  Here's why: not only does it allow them to cheaply throw in yet another "hot topic"-- gay marriage (see my post above)-- but also because it lets them use effects (when, as I noted above, there are few special effects in the film) for things like close-up images of the woman's decapitated arm, with its painted fingernails, attached to the male lover's diseased body. They're going for a shock "oh, gross" reaction from the audience.  (Similarly, why exactly does a gay man with "cancer" look so inhuman and deformed?). 

And why don't Carter and Spotnitz include a scene or two where we actually see some humanization of the gay characters-- where they talk to one another or worry or speak about their love in a way that actually complicates their villainous actions?  Because to do so would rob the film of its "monster"-- the frightening shadowy "other" that Carter needs at the heart of any X-Files story.  And, in this case, that "other," unspeakable and literally unspeaking, is a grotesque representation of a gay man's diseased body.  There's a huge difference between having a complex gay villain versus having a gay "other" or gay "monster."

The film is inexcusable.

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Rahmin Nouille's picture

Not quite fair

of all the things gay people decide to get worked about.  gays clap when a movie depicts us positively - which usually means getting to be some straight chick's shopping buddy.  Queer Eye for the Straight Guy was the most warping representation of gay men on television, because it prescribed the purpose of gay existence as a handy accessory to straights. That's something far more offensive than being a sci-fi villain. But gay men watched.  

Not every gay character depiction needs to be politicially correct.  I liked these villains.  A Russian thug who can throw a punch, and a head on a plate.  Hell, I'd rather be either of those things than the person whose sole purpose is to help a straight dude color coordinate.  

Incidentally, in terms of humanization, there's more than one shot of the villain looking doe-eyed.  When the feds intercept the Russian while he's transplanting organs, the Russian, ostensibly talking about a patient, says with great distress "He has cancer."  The parallel is pretty clear. Sure, the villains were underdeveloped.  But we came to the movie to see Mulder and Scully.  

The other parallel is the use of Frankenstein science in both sick patients.  Scully's at a Catholic hospital using stem cells, after all. Clearly, the villains are villains, and so theirs is the inexcusable version. But there's a continuum.  Hell, you could make the argument that the movie is far more anti-Catholic than homophobic.  

Maybe Chris Carter is homophobic.  I doubt very much that he's more homophobic than countless others in Hollywood.  To pick on this film, which offers the only movie of the summer where I'm not bombarded with CGI or deafening noise, seems to miss the forest for the trees.  Whatever 'homophobia' there is in X-Files is straightforward and obvious.  More insidious forms of homophobia are out there, right in the multiplex, and these warp our collective sensibilities far more.

The real problem is this: how do we depict gays in mainstream hollywood movies?  I hate the positive depictions far more.  F**k being that ridiculous, silly little man in _Sex and the City_.  And _Brokeback_, which every gay man is sobligated to adore, was just another film where the gay guy dies at the end.  To paraphrase Richard Wright, there's nothing progressive about telling stories that banker's daughters can cry over.  

And even Brokeback got shafted at the Oscars.  Maybe it would have won if both guys had died.   

Getting back to X-Files - I'll take the villains over the gay 'good guys' any day.  At the very least, we need the depictions so we can have gay characters with some f**king balls in mainstream hollywood.  Let the PC committee of liberal banker's daughters determine how we're depicted and we'll never get to be anything but neutered lapdogs.  

"Inexcusable" is pretty strong wording in a summer where I've seen audiences clap (during war time, no less) at a trailer moment when a blue superhero vaporizes a fleeing Vietnamese villager.  And not too long ago gay men, with predictable silliness, ooh and ahhed the guys of "The 300," easily the most homophobic, racist, and fascist film of recent years, even though there's no "gay" characters in it.  Maybe the key to getting the gay PC patrol off your back is to have models dress in leather speedos.  
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You know, that evil gay dude from...

I recall a director talking about a movie that he made at the end of WWII when anti Nazi sentiment still was running high. The story had a German soldier maroon on English soil, (no Germans ever set foot on Britain in real life). There was an uproar because he showed the Nazi sympathetically. That's something that hadn't really been done. When asked why, he explained something like this: They gave me only one Nazi, I had to show him sympathetically, if they had given me two Nazis I could have shown one good and one bad. All I had to work with was the one Nazi. (can someone help me out with this quote, I can't find it?)

That is one of the criteria I use to judge fair treatment of gays. Also, Would this story be worse if they were straight villains? If yes, why did they must be gay?

From your review I gather that there are three gays in the story. All are bad and represent horrid stereotypes. 1: Diseased (even if it isn't AIDS), 2: Psychotic (his murderous Lover) and 3: Perverted (for those of you who don't know that means child molester.) Besides the fact that they show the horrific body of a gay man as we can only imagine it.

But where the hell is the GOOD NAZI?

I could abide by the bad gays if there was even one Dr. George Huang who would come on and be the Good Gay and say, "this is so wrong and I'm going to help you stop it."

They didn't do that, right? It's homophobic. Now, explain why I need to waist my money on that crap.

 

Joseph's picture

I'm not sure, but...

...two movies immediately leap to mind:

Mrs. Miniver (1942): The film went into production in November, 1941; studio chief Louis B. Mayer had a problem with a downed Nazi pilot that Greer Garson finds in her garden--he was unrelentingly evil, and Mayer was worried of "offending" German audiences; but then Germany declared war on the U.S. in early December and Mayer told director William Wyler, "You can have your evil Nazi."

Lifeboat (1944): This Alfred Hitchcock thriller was criticized and created controversy because the Nazi survivor wasn't just a cooly, calculating killer, but also the most practical and efficient person in the boat, making the Americans and Brits looks "bad" by comparison.

Neither fits the story you're telling, and I'm stumped to think of a film just after WWII that would fit the profile...Notorious? Battleground? I don't know.

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Mister 2's picture

At least it bombed opening weekend

Real equality means you can have the occassional minority villain without putting in a hero of the same minority just to to balance it out. But we're not there yet. 

A gay villain with depth helps but it still gives off some association between homosexuality and villainy if said villain is the only gay character onscreen.

Movie_Dearest's picture

A different perspective

Chris Carpenter, the film critic over at my blog, had this to say about this issue:

http://moviedearest.blogspot.com/2008/08/believe-it-or-not.html

- Kirby, moviedearest.blogspot.com

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Nukely's picture

Spam a lot?

I don't know that I would ever go to your site now, because you spam a lot. I don't like that. You haven't contributed in the least to this discussion at AfterElton, you have tried to redirect the discussion to your own site. That is spamming and it's tacky.

It would be different if you even took the time to offer one quote from Chris Carpenter, but even that seems to be too much in your effort to spam.

 

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I'm sorry you feel that way

That was not my intention.

- kch

 

 

colmd's picture

I have no problem with the

I have no problem with the characters in the film. If they are a creepy gay couple then fine. It is not necessarily being homophobic. With all the other creepy characters and serial killers in movies being straight you don't hear claims of heterophobia. As the reviewer said the couple could easily be straight....so why can't they easily be gay? It is like having a creepy black guy and claiming racism because of it. I dont think people come out of the movie thinking "dirty homos". they dont come out associating regular gays with these characters. People know the difference at this stage.

whatever about the actual movie I don't think it should be classed as Homophobic.

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I'm sorry but you're completely missing the point

For decades, we've seen big budget movies where the villain is gay or coded-gay (effeminate, hits on the hero, etc.). We've never really seen big budget movies, except ones about being gay, where the main character, the POV character is gay. I have no problem whatsoever with gay villains...in a time when the rest of the world has no problem with gay heroes. But clearly we're not there yet, so I say we call a moratorium on these kinds of villains, at least the ones where their gayness is presented as a way to make them seem more evil/creepy, playing on the perceived prejudices of the audiences. If you don't think these kinds of villains make a difference in how gay people are perceived, well, I think you're nuts. Go to South Dakota sometime, and meet the people who have never met a gay person--all they know is the gay people they seen in the big budget movies they go to (trust me, they ain't going to Brokeback Mountain), but they've all seen THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS).[

 

 

 

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Very true Brent

It's one thing to say that equality means that there has to be gay bad characters as well as gay good ones.  The problem is that we're still in a deficit here in terms of good gay characters.

While it's still generally fine for gay characters to be used as villains (especially really loathsome and revolting ones) we have not yet seen any matching abundance of gay heroic characters, especially in the sci-fi, fantasy and action/adventure genres.

While positive gay characters have started popping up in "chick flicks", we remain largely absent from "blockbuster" films designed to draw in big audiences.  When gays are in such films, as Brent noted, it is usually as either characters to be killed, or else as villains doing the killing - and just waiting to be killed by the heroic (i.. hetero) characters of the film.

This is little different than the problem African-Americans faced for a long time, where black characters in mainstream films were often pimps, drug dealers, thieves of all of the above.  Except in sci-fi/fantasy where they were often dumb sidekicks or bad guys.

colmd's picture

I'd better clarify. I take

I'd better clarify. I take everyones points and understand them completely. I'm coming at it from a slightly different angle. I'm a screenwriter myself and I would just as easily put a gay hero as a gay villain, it all depends on the plot. Also I'm in Ireland, so while I may not fully understand the worries and opinions of "middle america",film is an international medium and the reaction that it may provoke in america is not necessarily the same that will occur in Europe, hence my point about people leaving the movie with an opinion about homosexuals. I was speaking from a global perspective, not simply american.

 

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I've heard that argument before...

...when Silence of the Lambs came out. The problem is, you could make the same argument with the HEROES of these moves: they're straight, but they could just as easily be gay.

Only they never are. Where's the movie where a gay guy solves the crimes, rescues the victim in peril, saves the day-the gay guy the audience roots for to triumph?

If there are characters like that in feature films, they're so few and far between as to be nonexistant. Gay villians? Plenty!

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Bill S's picture

My above comment...

...was in response to what colmd wrote. I forgot to post it as a reply. I think I posted it at almost the same time as Brent posted his, and weirdly, we're almost saying the same thing, except he's saying it better. Then Psionycx goes and says it better than me too. 

Joseph's picture

But it bears repeating...

...over and over and over. Until we see a 'mo saving the world from invading aliens/Nazi-esque terrorists/malevolent viruses/Hilary Swank trying to act, there needs to be a moratorium on 'mo villains.

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The studios have to see more profit than risk in it.

You have a big budget film and it's simply easier to avoid homosexuality altogether in the scramble to make as many people go as possible. 

 I am extremely curious how the rest of the Potter films do because as problematic a figure Dumbledore is, his role in the franchise made him a household name stamped on all sorts of merchandise. If Potter stays strong as a film franchise, an upcoming Orlando attraction, a merchandising juggernaut, etc... This is something you can show the moneymen who might balk at the idea of a gay hero.

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Yeah, but still

In cases like these the studios aren't avoiding homosexuality.  They're fine with showing it.  They're just doing so as a part of characters that are already deviant/evil and the homosexuality just serves, in the minds of Middle American audiences, to reinforce the idea that these people are sick.

So it's a double-standard.  Hollywood is not scared of depicting homosexuals are psychos, only as heroes.  As long as the homo is in some way a visibly bad person onscreen then they aren't scared to use them.

This is pandering to anti-gay interests.  Anti-gay groups have no objection to depictions of evil homosexuals onscreen.  To them, showing gays as murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc is not a problem at all.  It's only when someone tries to put a positive gay character up there that it becomes an issue.

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Problem is this...

...the studio chiefs, along with Middle American, think gay = sex, and so have trouble adapting to the concept that a gay man can be the hero of a story because they assume they either need to show the dude with his legs in the air or the audience will imagine him with his legs in the air. But we don't imagine Bruce Willis banging some chick when he's saving the world in the Die Hard films, do we?

A few years ago, the movie Executive Decision did a neat trick by having ostensible hero Steven Seagal killed off half-way through the movie, leaving nebbishy Kurt Russell to save the day. Why couldn't something similar happen where the het hero is out of commission and the gay guy has to save the day? It would be a great, refreshing twist.

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nordic balance's picture

Nebbishy

Jeez, if Kurt Russell is nebbishy, then we need an entirely new word for me....
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Actually I think you said it better

Short and sweet. But yeah, didn't see yours until right after I posted...great minds and all. ;-)

 

 

 

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The_Sydster's picture

Oh, Please. Give me a break.

This is just ridiculous. Does this mean there can't be any evil gay characters? You say they could have just as easily chosen a heterosexual couple for this episode, couldn't one call that a bit of heterophobia on your end? Choosing a gay couple to portray these evil woman kidnappers is not homophobia! Straight couples are chosen for evil roles all the time. You need to stop being paranoid and get over yourself.
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Yes, it is

if the only gay characters are the evil ones. When you used a minority character to a evil role, at least there must be one on the other side. Straight characters are ofter used as evil, but sure you have at least a lot of good straight characters in the same movie
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I have to agree with Brent et al...

I heard about the homophobic allegations when the movie was out, but ignored them since I never intended to see it. Then I was stuck in hotel room last week, with free HBO, and it was on, so...

For a while I thought the main objection must have been the pedophile priest, but I was actually enjoying that part of the film. It worked well with Scully's Catholicism, and the whole "I want to believe" theme.

But my jaw hit the floor with the "dun-dun-DUNNN!" revelation that the two characters were married... in MASSACHSETTS! And then, with the revelation of the head-transplant onto the woman's body, and the painted nails.... yeeeesh. Beyond the pale.

And I don't object to gay villains. On "One Life to Live" a few years ago, I actually liked the idea (not so much the execution) of a plot where a married guy turns out to be secretly gay and, later, killing people to keep his secret. It's a soap, so the serial killer piece is par for the course - didn't bother me at all. And I've long maintained (to myself, at least) that soaps need gay characters who are good, bad, and morally gray; it's the nature of the genre to need characters who are multifaceted and linked to many other characters. When characters are brought on as representatives of a certain community or issue, they usually depart the soap canvas for good after a while, without making any deep impression on the world of the soap or the audience.

So yeah, gay villains can work. But in this X Files movie, they didn't. And they were incredibly insulting.