Hot Off The AP: AE's own Michael Jensen on gay representation on "American Idol"While the Associated Press article to me is sending the message that the folks at American Idol are suffering from the same type of possibly unfounded fear about how promoting an openly gay contestant may affect the show, the more important point for me is that it puts our site out there as a place for discussion of the issue with Michael's quote on the messages that show and its judges send out.
Michael's quote was supported right off the bat by Simon's commentary regarding the very first singer on Tuesday's show. This was my first real viewing this season, and the feedback that he got sent the message that even "sounding" un-boy like was not a good thing, so he better not do it again if he wanted to make it to the next round. While to me that contestant was among the weakest and vis-a-vis what followed, he was among the most butch of the bunch, so go figure what Simon did not tell those who followed. He most have needed a muzzle when Danny Noriega was queening out after he got negative commentary. Even loopy Paula was going on about whether the purple color in the guy's hair would come off. http://tv.yahoo.com/show/34934/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:20080306:gay_idol The AP is getting so much flack for some of its lousy alarmist/opportunistic articles, many using gays as bait, it's also important to post the ones that seem to do a decent job. Congratulations to AE!
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Did you hear Luke perform?
It was "girlie" sounding. It was immature and timid sounding, not unlike a 10 year old being pushed on the pageant circuit. It lacked masculine tone also. He doesn't have George Michael's range or skill and Luke was plain over-reaching and out of his depth.
It was a bad effort which America didn't like either. He didn't make the Top 12.
Not everything is a slam against gays and it's a bit embarrassing AE bit on this when there are so many authentic things to be outraged about.
It's agreed that Luke sucked, but you are missing the 'AI' boat
While you may disagree, and have every right to do so, the bigger point for many, especially after the tragedy of a few weeks ago in Oxnard, California, was to address the unfortunate coorelation that exists between "bad/unacceptable/lesser than/not-male-like" and "girly/gay." Until this association is ended, it will continue to negativelly affect young gay men all around the world, and in increasingly alarming ways.
While I agree that Luke sucked, America's agreement does not really say anything applicable about homophobia. Irrespectively of Simon's homophobic comment, this singer's "journey" would likely have ended as he was simply not as good as his competitors.
And while you are right in your assessment that not everything is a slam against gays, AE focuses on those it thinks are valid. No one is saying that what happens at AI is the worst offense of television, simply making the statement that labeling non-mainstream things "gay/girly" makes potentially gay kids start to hate themselves at an early age and upons up the gate for public humiliation in a homophobic society..
At AI, the show's most relevant host call a bad performance "girly" in front of 30+ million people, and that was not meant as a compliment. Simon's shtick is especially duplicitous when it comes from a guy who continues to make a mountain of money on successful “girly” boy bands signed to his label. He also plays the most repetitive gay baiting game with AI's Ryan Seacrest. I hope that neither of them is gay, as has been speculated over and over again. These are two grown men who both know how it feels to be perrceived as gay.
Did Culture Club's 'Do You Really Want To Hurt Me' suck because it was girly? Millions disagreed via the sales generated by the group. Duran Duran? Maybe Simon would call Prince/Michael Jackson/George Michael/every boy band "girlie," but in the music business, it is a known fact that “girly” can be quite a cash cow. Young girls play a critical role in supporting boy bands who provide a safe haven in a world that takes them from diapers to playing will dolls to pressure to have sex way too quickly. Even AI's own "girly" runner-up Clay Aiken, is loved by so many middle-aged “Claymates” that he still has a career. I am not a fan of his, but "girly" sells, but AE is simply pointing out that that show does some harmful things and I am taking it a step further to say that when it comes to music "girly" sells, especially if it's any good.
While I agree with you that there are a million more things that the site (or any site) could do much better, focusing on the use of certain words and questioning whether an out gay male singer will ever be supported by America on AI fits the site’s mandate like a glove.
What upsets me when I read posts such as yours is that it creates the illusion that there is a finite number of subjects that can be covered at AE and that you or other members have no role in the content of this site. Why not use the Forum to introduce subjects that you think are more importanrt, or that you simply think might be more fun than some of the things that you say embarrass you about AE. Why not try to make to a difference?
I have tried to do so was even rewarded via a few professional assignments here, largely based on the quality of the contribution. I recently got shot down big time on one involving my take on the media coverage of the murder of Lawrence King; however I was encouraged to post it in the Forum. Before doing so, I have to think about it as the bigger message that I heard from the powers that be was the media coverage that I hoped helped open some eyes on MRSA and other coverage of the news media that interests me might not be what this site is about.
While I disagree with that perspective, as I think that looking at the bigger picture of news coverage (especially print, which is now almost always online too even before it hits newsstands) with much more frequency should be a vital component in a site focusing on the media; notwithstanding the feedback that I received is taken as an honest assessment based on resource allocation and possibly trying to narrow the broad definition of what defines news, reviews, and commentary in entertainment and the media in this site. AE can't be all things to all people, especially at this relatively young age, but I know that it will strive for more if people speak up in constructive ways.
Before giving away most of my hard work for free, I have to look within to see if there might be other sites which might address some of what I am not getting here as a writer/fan, while continuing to contribute in other ways here as this site is special and supports a great many things that I believe in and entertain me. I know first-hand that TPTB are always looking for feedback, so give it bilatery as you will get an answer. Just because I’ve never seen Torchwood, nor does it interest me (except for the pretty pictures that I see here), it does not mean that it should not be reviewed/covered as it does not come it the expense of what interests me. The gays love sci-fi.
There is room for almost everything, including calling AI on its homophobic remarks or fawning over Cheyenne Jackson. That last part is all me. I hope that this comment does not fall on deaf ears, but it likely will as chronic complainers are rarely heard from again or they wait to find something else to whine about. AE members are the meat and potatoes of AE, so let's get busy about what should be on here rather than what should not. A wider net that meets the mandate will continue to improve a site which has only been around for a blink versus others not doing anywhere as well.
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Hey Guillermo
Until this week, I would have agreed with you completely. Luke and Noriega's performances were certainly sub-par and I believed they deserved to be voted off. But this week, I have to wonder if the "stripping in a gay bar" news didn't hurt David Hernandez. His performance was far from being the worst on Tuesday night: in fact, I rated him #7 out of the 12. So I can't help but wonder if the question of his sexuality affected the vote, or not. And I also wonder if the news affected the harsh criticism he received from the judges. There were other performances that received praise from the judges that I found not so praise-worthy.
I'm not on the "everyone hates us" bandwagon. I just can't help but wonder this week if AI isn't a bit afraid of the gay issue. Then again, I wonder, if that's the case, how did Clay-Ken make as far as he did...because, do we even need to wonder about his sexuality?
Just my thoughts. I agree about Luke and Daniel. I just wonder what happened with David.
Meh
While not everything is a slam against gays, considering the show's track record, I don't give them (or Simon) the benefit of the doubt too much.
Actually, it wasn't so much an "Idol" thing as it was another show of Ms. Cowell's bitchiness toward any guy more femme than he is.
Meow.
Not alam against gay
Danny, AI and gays
I watch and love the show this year. I couldn't stomach last year so I didn't watch. So I am not a fanatic about the show. This year Danny was great. He was so obviously comfortable with who he is and was not afraid to show it to the audience. He may not have been the best singer but I give him a lot of credit for not putting up with any crap from the judges. The judges were obviously laughing at him. They looked pretty uncomfortable with him and I think they were hiding behind their smiles and giggling. I think what was most telling was Paula's constant comments about how he was just being himself and Randy with the "your having fun out there". I think their reactions were just a reflection of most of the audiences reaction. It makes them uncomfortable when someone is different and does not tone it down for them. In Danny's case he was effeminate and didn't care what anyone thought about it. None of this bothered me. He set an example of how not to be afraid to be who you are.
What bothers me is the tired banter between Ryan and Cowell. Yes the constant girly references are hurtful. But the idea that homophobic comments are acceptable as entertainment is damaging. This just encourages the idea that to joke about gay, or what is perceived as gay, behavior is acceptable. If they were doing this about blacks or hispanics it would not be acceptable. The idea that they must be attracted to each other is used as a joke. The message sent is that two guys are attracted to each other and they are hiding it and it is funny. The two of them make me uncomfortable and as angry as their behavior makes me I am embarrassed for them.
The voices are great this year. Continuing to use homphobic banter as filler is not.
Just read the article...
Simon should have a look at last year's winner of the german version of American Idol. Mark Medlock was out from his very first casting for the show. When he became part of the last 10 contestants his profile stated that he was 'divorced' from a man. Nonetheless (or that's why) he got the highest votings ever in every single show and never had to stand in the middle. In the last show almost 70% called for him.
Your great comment reflects the relevance of AE
The suits at the networks are running scared and now seem to spend so much time trying to give the illusion of inclusiveness that they don't take the time to look for opportunities to be found in taking risks and trying new things, unless it involves violence or shock. Both can work if executed well as can gay inclusion as proven by a show like Ugly Betty.
With regard to the "gay issue" the suits always seem to assume that America's documented homophobia will hurt them and rarely include anything gay unless it's self-congratulatory or an easy punchline. AI seems like the perfect win/win venue for inclusion of openly gay contestants with talent as "America" will indeed decide whether the particular out gay candidates have what it takes, or will vote them off for many a reason, including their sexuality. At the end of the day, the dialogue that this would generate could be very valuable to even those who may threaten to boycott the show.
Maybe the first out gay contestant will have to be as charming and non-sexuality threatening as the little kid who may still be the favorite to win this season, but no matter what it's about time as it seems like the closet at AI is about to explode no matter how much it tries to seal it shut.
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