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When enough is enough.I haven't had a whole lot to say about the trainwreck that used to be the Nuke storyline, but i'm here to announce that i'm officially done with As the world turns.In the Two gay guys vlog Brent and Michael try, as they have many times before, to put the situation in perspective and defend the show.While I agree that we probably shouldn't be spewing as much vitriol as we have been no amount of spin is going to change the fact that this show is just no longer worth watching.We can talk about the "movement" all day long, but this is still a TV show whose purspose is to entertain and I no longer enjoy watching the Nuke storyline, so what's the point?I'm not seeing what I want to see. It's bordering on just being insulting at this point.Speaking of which, i'm a little tired of hearing about how we should give credit where it is NOT due and be grateful for being thrown a few crumbs while straights get a feast.I keep hearing people basically say "would you rather have nothing at all?"You know what?It doesn't matter one way, or the other because again......what's the point if they've made it so I don't even want to watch it anymore anyway? It would've been one thing if they had been keeping Nuke from hooking up to build up sexual tension.Sometimes that's enjoyable to watch, and keeps you coming back for more, but this Ameera/marriage thing has crossed the line.I'm done.Again, I think it's a false choice between having shit we've always been given and having no gay characters on this show at all.If you're not going to do this storyline, and I mean really do it, then why start it in the first place?I'm not interested in seeing characters who are gay in name only. You want to talk about the messages that get sent?How about this?Don't get me all excited about a gay storyline to then just intentionally run it into the ground, Don't make promises you don't plan on keeping, and don't lie to me by saying you're going to do one thing then turn around and do the opposite.It's been demonstrated before that gay, even when overt, can sell.Nuke was popular, so why poeple keep acting like them kissing will drive away viewers en masse is confusing. ....And my final message.....Thanks for the 2006-2007 Luke build up, CBS.I would also like to thank you for the very steamy kiss Nuke shared.I'll enjoy watching them on Youtube, but sadly our relationship must end because my needs are no longer being met.You've been ignoring me for months now, and i've had it.Goodbye. While i'm on the subject, i'm also going to stop watching Greek.Here's another gay character/storyline that had potential, but is now treading down the same road as so many others.Calvin, the gay guy on the show, spent all of last season in the closet.He was regularly hooking up with this guy in secret, but not only we're they never shown kissing, but Calvin barely got any screen time on his own.....all the while all the straight kids on the show are having random hookups left and right.I mean there's this one chick who keeps bouncing back and forth between these two guys like a game of pong. In the season finale he gets accidentally outed to his fraternity, who make it clear they don't want him.He hands in his pledge pin and walks.This past Monday was the start of season 2 where by the end of the episode he had gone from a fraternity pledging, hockey playing guy with a potential boyfriend to the gay best friend of the chick who outed him and listening to everyone else talk about their relationships.Sound familiar?It really is disappointing how many gay characters/storylines have the potential to break that pattern, and then just end up in that mold anyway.It's seems like the only good gay stuff to watch is on youtube from other countries. Submitted by homoguy563 (1226 points) (194 posts) on Sun, 2008-03-30 11:34. |
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I will give you the whole ATWT Nuke complaint. I myself think it can be summed up as; If they don't ever show them being gay, and all we have is our imaginations, then matt and casey are gay in my book too. The PTB of this shows are hypocrytes and homophobes. The homophobes being the people that either don't want to see luke and noah kiss or are giving into the pressure. The hypocrytes being the people that show a double standard for Nuke and tell everyone they don't.
So why even watch the show, it is fair to say they don't have any gay characters, they left shorly after christmas. We get a couple of guest gay characters every now and then, such as the valentines day episode(despite there lack of kissing), they showed affection for eachother there. So while luke and noah may be regular characters, nuke is definetly only a guest apperance, one that only shows up every month or two.
I don't and do agree with you on the subject of greek, this show is on ABC family, so I think they very fact that they have a gay character is awsome. But it is true that calvin fits into some stereotypes. And being that this is ABCF if they showed a gay kiss on there 1st season, the AFA would have made sure they never returned. We have to take it as we get it, calvin isn't like NUKE, in that he and we are very aware he is gay, he had a boyfriend, and most of all they NEVER kissed. Nuke did, and by doing that sent a clear message to us that they would do it again, calvin never did, and therefore I don't expect nearly as much from him as I do from Nuke. Not to mention Nuke is on a soap opera, where people kiss like they breath, not seeing them kiss of a soap opera is like seeing a ball go up and then not come back down.
hell yeah...
"I keep hearing people basically say "would you rather have nothing at all?"
^ my answer? hell yes, i would rather have nothing at all. i don't care if the people are gay, straight, black, white, asian, etc.....for example, i remember in high school an asian classmate was telling me how she hated how most shows portrayed asians as super smart and that she always had to turn the channel because it annoyed her so much. "we're not all that smart..." - - she felt insulted by it.
there are just so many things wrong with how they treat nuke. the ameera marriage thing doesn't bother me, but eh...maybe at this point, i am not surprised anymore.
like i have said so many times before, this is 2008 and yeah..point made. whatever.
another thing...."we're gonna treat them the same as everyone else" - - is that so? okay, excuse me while i laugh hysterically....
actually, this is so weird. i just remembered something. i use to watch GH a few years ago and they had a popular couple, jason and sam (sam was a SHE) and they actually were always getting interrupted on the show when they were about to kiss. the fans raised hell and eventually they kissed more on the show. weird. THEY WEREN'T EVEN GAY. hmm.
i think if they didn't kiss, i would be okay IF ONLY i never heard the "we're gonna treat them the same as everyone else" crap. otherwise, i'd probably think "aw, cute...they're just taking it slow so we can become really invested"
as for Greek....this show is still fairly new and i gotta give them credit actually. it's been made clear as day that calvin has gotten some ass. yeah, he hasn't kissed anyone yet...but eh...i just think this show is still getting it's feet off the ground.
the only thing I was bugged by was his fraternity's reaction. i just thought "there is no way they are all that freaking scared of calvin seeing them without their shirts" - - that was a little too much for me.
I don't watch ATWT
but I have been following this controversy from a distance. I find it insulting (not to mention total fantasy) not to have two gay male teenagers kissing who are in love/lust. The writers and producers obviously have not spent much time around young gay men!
I have always been of the opinion if you are going to spend money and time trying to create something like a TV show then try and do a decent job of it. ATWT is not succeeding as far as I am concerned.
Cheers
JBE